Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.
Are Telephony and WiFi separate?

On 30/03/2023 13:05, Peter Jason wrote:
> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.
> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?

Yes.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.

What do you mean by that ?

> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?

In some ways they are in some ways they aren't.

Most decent modern smartphones can do wifi calling,
telephony over wifi for wnen you are out of mobile range.

On 30/03/2023 1:05 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.

**Perhaps you don't have a wi-fi source available.

> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?

**Depends. If I understand your question correctly, then the answer is yes.

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On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:01:57 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.
>
>What do you mean by that ?

I get mobile phone calls all the time.

Many of these have "attachments" which I can only access via "roaming"
of some sort.

I have switched off all roaming including the "mobile data", because I
want to get these data/attachments via WiFi.

Yet some are accessible via WiFi! eg The tax office.

Why some and not others?

Additionally, I am forced to have the Telstra DOT tech at work to run
hand-held lines via the modem etc from the NBN thing.

Telstra adamantly refuses to link my mobile phone to the DOT tech, an
unreasonableness profound & maddening, and likely criminal!

>
>> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?
>
>In some ways they are in some ways they aren't.

This is rather vague. How can I contrive to have the former?
>
>Most decent modern smartphones can do wifi calling,
>telephony over wifi for wnen you are out of mobile range.

Oh, how?

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 08:29:03 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 30/03/2023 1:05 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.

Yes I do. It comes with the Telstra NBN modem.
>
>**Perhaps you don't have a wi-fi source available.
>
>> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?
>
>**Depends. If I understand your question correctly, then the answer is yes.

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.

>> What do you mean by that ?

> I get mobile phone calls all the time.

> Many of these have "attachments" which I can only access via "roaming"
> of some sort.

Not clear what you mean by the word roaming.

> I have switched off all roaming including the "mobile data",

Mobile data has nothing to do with roaming.

> because I
> want to get these data/attachments via WiFi.

> Yet some are accessible via WiFi! eg The tax office.

> Why some and not others?

Because its a link you tap on with there ones that work over wifi.

> Additionally, I am forced to have the Telstra DOT tech at work to run
> hand-held lines via the modem etc from the NBN thing.

Say that more clearly.

> Telstra adamantly refuses to link my mobile phone to the DOT tech, an
> unreasonableness profound & maddening, and likely criminal!

>>> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?

>> In some ways they are in some ways they aren't.

> This is rather vague.

But was elaborated in the next para.

> How can I contrive to have the former?

Thats what happens it can see a mobile service.

>> Most decent modern smartphones can do wifi calling,
>> telephony over wifi for wnen you are out of mobile range.

> Oh, how?

Its a setting in the mobile phone.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:38:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>>>> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.
>
>>> What do you mean by that ?
>
>> I get mobile phone calls all the time.
>
>> Many of these have "attachments" which I can only access via "roaming"
>> of some sort.
>
>Not clear what you mean by the word roaming.

The phone has access to the Internet.
>
>> I have switched off all roaming including the "mobile data",
>
>Mobile data has nothing to do with roaming.

If I switch on "Mobile Date" I get the Internet.
>
>> because I
>> want to get these data/attachments via WiFi.
>
>> Yet some are accessible via WiFi! eg The tax office.
>
>> Why some and not others?
>
>Because its a link you tap on with there ones that work over wifi.
>
>
>> Additionally, I am forced to have the Telstra DOT tech at work to run
>> hand-held lines via the modem etc from the NBN thing.
>
>Say that more clearly.

It's the Telstra NBN modem, additionally set up to run hand-held
phones all over the site. No "Sim cards" are involved.
>
>> Telstra adamantly refuses to link my mobile phone to the DOT tech, an
>> unreasonableness profound & maddening, and likely criminal!
>
>>>> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?
>
>>> In some ways they are in some ways they aren't.
>
>> This is rather vague.
>
>But was elaborated in the next para.
>
>> How can I contrive to have the former?
>
>Thats what happens it can see a mobile service.
>
>>> Most decent modern smartphones can do wifi calling,
>>> telephony over wifi for wnen you are out of mobile range.
>
>> Oh, how?
>
>Its a setting in the mobile phone.

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>>>> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.

>>>> What do you mean by that ?

>>> I get mobile phone calls all the time.

>>> Many of these have "attachments" which I can only access via "roaming"
>>> of some sort.

>> Not clear what you mean by the word roaming.

> The phone has access to the Internet.

That's not roaming. Roaming is using another carrier like
Optus when you are out of range of the Telstra network.

Normally only used when out of the country.

>>> I have switched off all roaming including the "mobile data",

>> Mobile data has nothing to do with roaming.

> If I switch on "Mobile Date" I get the Internet.

Yes, that what mobile data means.

>>> because I
>>> want to get these data/attachments via WiFi.

>>> Yet some are accessible via WiFi! eg The tax office.

>>> Why some and not others?

>> Because its a link you tap on with there ones that work over wifi.

>>> Additionally, I am forced to have the Telstra DOT tech at work to run
>>> hand-held lines via the modem etc from the NBN thing.

>> Say that more clearly.

> It's the Telstra NBN modem, additionally set up to run hand-held
> phones all over the site. No "Sim cards" are involved.

OK, thats DECT support. Basically a cordless
phone base integrated with the modem/router.

>>> Telstra adamantly refuses to link my mobile phone to the DOT tech,

Not possible, the mobile phone doesn't do DECT.

>>> an
>>> unreasonableness profound & maddening, and likely criminal!

>>>>> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?

>>>> In some ways they are in some ways they aren't.

>>> This is rather vague.

>> But was elaborated in the next para.

>>> How can I contrive to have the former?

>> Thats what happens it can see a mobile service.

>>>> Most decent modern smartphones can do wifi calling,
>>>> telephony over wifi for wnen you are out of mobile range.

>>> Oh, how?

>> Its a setting in the mobile phone.

The short story is that it isnt possible to do what you want to do with
that hardwaare.

If you have your mobile phone with someone other than
Telstra, you would pay much less for your mobile phone
service and would get plenty of data to allow you to get
all the message attachments using mobile data.

I get unlimited calls and texts and MMSs to any
landline or mobile in the country and 5GB of data
a month for $10 a month. Its on the Optus network.

There are a few on the Telstra network but not quite
as cheap as that but still much cheaper than Telstra.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:01:57 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.
>
> What do you mean by that ?
>

I guess he's refering to multimedia based sms's which require accessing a
tower and cant be downloaded by wifi ... but Roddles, you already knew
that.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:11:15 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.
>
>>>>> What do you mean by that ?
>
>>>> I get mobile phone calls all the time.
>
>>>> Many of these have "attachments" which I can only access via "roaming"
>>>> of some sort.
>
>>> Not clear what you mean by the word roaming.
>
>> The phone has access to the Internet.
>
>That's not roaming. Roaming is using another carrier like
>Optus when you are out of range of the Telstra network.
>
>Normally only used when out of the country.
>
>>>> I have switched off all roaming including the "mobile data",
>
>>> Mobile data has nothing to do with roaming.
>
>> If I switch on "Mobile Date" I get the Internet.
>
>Yes, that what mobile data means.
>
>>>> because I
>>>> want to get these data/attachments via WiFi.
>
>>>> Yet some are accessible via WiFi! eg The tax office.
>
>>>> Why some and not others?
>
>>> Because its a link you tap on with there ones that work over wifi.
>
>>>> Additionally, I am forced to have the Telstra DOT tech at work to run
>>>> hand-held lines via the modem etc from the NBN thing.
>
>>> Say that more clearly.
>
>> It's the Telstra NBN modem, additionally set up to run hand-held
>> phones all over the site. No "Sim cards" are involved.
>
>OK, thats DECT support. Basically a cordless
>phone base integrated with the modem/router.
>
>>>> Telstra adamantly refuses to link my mobile phone to the DOT tech,
>
>Not possible, the mobile phone doesn't do DECT.
>
>>>> an
>>>> unreasonableness profound & maddening, and likely criminal!
>
>>>>>> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?
>
>>>>> In some ways they are in some ways they aren't.
>
>>>> This is rather vague.
>
>>> But was elaborated in the next para.
>
>>>> How can I contrive to have the former?
>
>>> Thats what happens it can see a mobile service.
>
>>>>> Most decent modern smartphones can do wifi calling,
>>>>> telephony over wifi for wnen you are out of mobile range.
>
>>>> Oh, how?
>
>>> Its a setting in the mobile phone.
>
>The short story is that it isnt possible to do what you want to do with
>that hardwaare.
>
>If you have your mobile phone with someone other than
>Telstra, you would pay much less for your mobile phone
>service and would get plenty of data to allow you to get
>all the message attachments using mobile data.
>
>I get unlimited calls and texts and MMSs to any
>landline or mobile in the country and 5GB of data
>a month for $10 a month. Its on the Optus network.
>
>There are a few on the Telstra network but not quite
>as cheap as that but still much cheaper than Telstra.

Does "MMS" (Multimedia Messaging Service, a system that enables mobile
phones to send and receive colour pictures and sound clips as well as
text messages.)

....have anything to do with it? This is the one not working with
WiFi

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>> Why can't I get mobile-phone attachments via WiFi.
>>
>>>>>> What do you mean by that ?
>>
>>>>> I get mobile phone calls all the time.
>>
>>>>> Many of these have "attachments" which I can only access via
>>>>> "roaming"
>>>>> of some sort.
>>
>>>> Not clear what you mean by the word roaming.
>>
>>> The phone has access to the Internet.
>>
>> That's not roaming. Roaming is using another carrier like
>> Optus when you are out of range of the Telstra network.
>>
>> Normally only used when out of the country.
>>
>>>>> I have switched off all roaming including the "mobile data",
>>
>>>> Mobile data has nothing to do with roaming.
>>
>>> If I switch on "Mobile Date" I get the Internet.
>>
>> Yes, that what mobile data means.
>>
>>>>> because I
>>>>> want to get these data/attachments via WiFi.
>>
>>>>> Yet some are accessible via WiFi! eg The tax office.
>>
>>>>> Why some and not others?
>>
>>>> Because its a link you tap on with there ones that work over wifi.
>>
>>>>> Additionally, I am forced to have the Telstra DOT tech at work to run
>>>>> hand-held lines via the modem etc from the NBN thing.
>>
>>>> Say that more clearly.
>>
>>> It's the Telstra NBN modem, additionally set up to run hand-held
>>> phones all over the site. No "Sim cards" are involved.
>>
>> OK, thats DECT support. Basically a cordless
>> phone base integrated with the modem/router.
>>
>>>>> Telstra adamantly refuses to link my mobile phone to the DOT tech,
>>
>> Not possible, the mobile phone doesn't do DECT.
>>
>>>>> an
>>>>> unreasonableness profound & maddening, and likely criminal!
>>
>>>>>>> Are Telephony and WiFi separate?
>>
>>>>>> In some ways they are in some ways they aren't.
>>
>>>>> This is rather vague.
>>
>>>> But was elaborated in the next para.
>>
>>>>> How can I contrive to have the former?
>>
>>>> Thats what happens it can see a mobile service.
>>
>>>>>> Most decent modern smartphones can do wifi calling,
>>>>>> telephony over wifi for wnen you are out of mobile range.
>>
>>>>> Oh, how?
>>
>>>> Its a setting in the mobile phone.
>>
>> The short story is that it isnt possible to do what you want to do with
>> that hardwaare.
>>
>> If you have your mobile phone with someone other than
>> Telstra, you would pay much less for your mobile phone
>> service and would get plenty of data to allow you to get
>> all the message attachments using mobile data.
>>
>> I get unlimited calls and texts and MMSs to any
>> landline or mobile in the country and 5GB of data
>> a month for $10 a month. Its on the Optus network.
>>
>> There are a few on the Telstra network but not quite
>> as cheap as that but still much cheaper than Telstra.

> Does "MMS" (Multimedia Messaging Service, a system that enables mobile
> phones to send and receive colour pictures and sound clips as well as
> text messages.)

And video.

> ...have anything to do with it? This is the one not working with
> WiFi

Yep.

On 03/04/2023 08:49, Peter Jason wrote:
[SNIP]
>
> Does "MMS" (Multimedia Messaging Service, a system that enables mobile
> phones to send and receive colour pictures and sound clips as well as
> text messages.)
>
> ...have anything to do with it? This is the one not working with
> WiFi

Yes, that *only* works over Mobile Data.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

P.S. And please learn to trim.