Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet

On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet

https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air

On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>
>
> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air

Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat SI,
so they are on their way to the platform too

On 01/11/2022 16:35, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>>
>>
>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>
> Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat SI,
> so they are on their way to the platform too

given the withdrawal of several HD channels from Freeview, the fact that
you can get them still on Freesat and now with the encrytpion of ITV
2/3/4 HD being removed...... isn't that going to contribute to the death
knell for freeview if enough people migrate to Freesat?

(I expect a similar death knell for satellite TV/Radio once every person
has access to gigabit fibre internet or 5G mobile......)

On 01/11/2022 16:41, SH wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 16:35, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>>>
>>>
>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>>
>> Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat
>> SI, so they are on their way to the platform too
>
>
> given the withdrawal of several HD channels from Freeview, the fact
> that you can get them still on Freesat and now with the encrytpion of
> ITV 2/3/4 HD being removed...... isn't that going to contribute to the
> death knell for freeview if enough people migrate to Freesat?
>
>
Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.

On 01/11/2022 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 16:41, SH wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 16:35, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>>>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>>>
>>> Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat
>>> SI, so they are on their way to the platform too
>>
>>
>> given the withdrawal of several HD channels from Freeview, the fact
>> that you can get them still on Freesat and now with the encrytpion of
>> ITV 2/3/4 HD being removed...... isn't that going to contribute to the
>> death knell for freeview if enough people migrate to Freesat?
>>
>>
> Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.
>

I've just retuned the TV on both its freesat option and its Other
satellite (as Astra2/Eurobird)

no sign of ITV 2/3/4 HD in freesat (yet)

But they are veiwable in the other sat option...

I find the latter sat mode annoying as (a) there is no LCN so you have
to manually reorder and delete after every retune and (b) you get *every
single* FTA TV channel resulting in about 10 off ch 4 channels (advert
regions), every BBC region and every ITV region, along with UTV, STV,
S4C, S4C2, BBC ALba etc and I can't understand a word of Gaelic or
Welsh! :-)

On 01/11/2022 16:54, SH wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 16:41, SH wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2022 16:35, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
>>>>> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>>>>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>>>>
>>>> Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat
>>>> SI, so they are on their way to the platform too
>>>
>>>
>>> given the withdrawal of several HD channels from Freeview, the fact
>>> that you can get them still on Freesat and now with the encrytpion
>>> of ITV 2/3/4 HD being removed...... isn't that going to contribute
>>> to the death knell for freeview if enough people migrate to Freesat?
>>>
>>>
>> Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.
>>
>
>
> I've just retuned the TV on both its freesat option and its Other
> satellite (as Astra2/Eurobird)
>
> no sign of ITV 2/3/4 HD in freesat (yet)

On the EPG, no they won't be, they've only entered compliance testing
today. Try again in 10-14 days

On 01/11/2022 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
> Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.

Why do you say that?

I get the impression that it's growing.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 01/11/2022 16:54, SH wrote:
> I find the [non Freesat] mode annoying as (a) there is no LCN so you have
> to manually reorder and delete after every retune and (b) you get *every
> single* FTA TV channel resulting in about 10 off ch 4 channels (advert
> regions), every BBC region and every ITV region, along with UTV, STV,
> S4C, S4C2, BBC ALba etc and I can't understand a word of Gaelic or
> Welsh! :-)

Yes. It was the same on my LG Freesat TV.

You really want to be able to keep the Freesat numbering and have the
other channels starting at perhaps 5000 and some means to move
interesting ones down so they are appropriately inserted among the
Freesat channels. But apparently Freesat forbids that.

So I got an enigma2 box and I use the Sky channel numbering now.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>
>
> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air

EXCELLENT!!!!
:)

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 01/11/2022 17:30, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>>
>>
>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>
> EXCELLENT!!!!
> :)
>

But I might need to put a bigger hard drive in my PVR.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

[buggered attributions] wrote:

>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet

Just done a re-scan (note to self, tuner card doesn't lieke PC going to sleep to
save power, just turn it off next time)

>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air

Not that I can remember the last time I watched any of the matching SD channels

I can see various ITV2HD, ITV3HD, ITV4HD but the last two still show "encrypted"
flag.

Andy Burns wrote:

> Just done a re-scan
> I can see various ITV2HD, ITV3HD, ITV4HD but the last two still show "encrypted"
> flag.

just scanned 11068V as well as 11053H, and ITV4HD is available

On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 17:23:52 UTC, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
> > Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.
> Why do you say that?
>
> I get the impression that it's growing.
>
> --
> Brian Gregory (in England).

It will be swamped by TV over the internet. I think we'll be lucky if it's retained once a politically acceptable percentage of people have fast internet.
Bill

On 01/11/2022 19:10, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 17:23:52 UTC, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.
>> Why do you say that?
>>
>> I get the impression that it's growing.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Gregory (in England).
>
> It will be swamped by TV over the internet. I think we'll be lucky if it's retained once a politically acceptable percentage of people have fast internet.
> Bill

I have gigabit fibre to the home, and I still have my metal tree at the
top of my house with both Freeview and freesat.....

Only two advantages of goign to TV over internet is reducing the risk of
a lightning strike and selling off the scrap aluminium and steel to the
metal recyclers......

the current advantage I have is redundancy... if fibre goes down, I
still have TV over freeview and freesat.....

I've been mulling a 5G backup internet solution.... as some deals are
quite tempting like Smarty's £10 a month for 50GB and Three do unlimited
internet for £20 a month and I am not averse to putting up a 5G external
antenna....

"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
news:jsd5b8Fh8ojU1@mid.individual.net...
> [buggered attributions] wrote:
>
>>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>
> Just done a re-scan (note to self, tuner card doesn't lieke PC going to
> sleep to save power, just turn it off next time)
>
>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>
> Not that I can remember the last time I watched any of the matching SD
> channels
>
> I can see various ITV2HD, ITV3HD, ITV4HD but the last two still show
> "encrypted" flag.

Just rescanned 11097 and ITV3 is now showing as unencrypted and can be
watched/recorded. I'll do the muxes for ITV2 and ITV4 when I've finished
recording something.

That is for TVHeadend with a PCTV 491e USB tuner.

I wonder how many of the archive programmes on ITV3 will be in HD (as
opposed to upscaled SD). I suppose some of the more recent programmes will
be - assuming that ITV3 buy the rights to HD masters where are available.

On 02/11/2022 10:49, NY wrote:
>
>
> I wonder how many of the archive programmes on ITV3 will be in HD (as
> opposed to upscaled SD). I suppose some of the more recent programmes
> will be - assuming that ITV3 buy the rights to HD masters where are
> available.

ITV 3 HD has existed for a few years. No special effort has been made to
date to remaster anything in ITV's archive to HD.

On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 08:44:14 +0000, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

>I have gigabit fibre to the home, and I still have my metal tree at the
>top of my house with both Freeview and freesat.....
>
>Only two advantages of goign to TV over internet is reducing the risk of
>a lightning strike and selling off the scrap aluminium and steel to the
>metal recyclers......

Another advantage is all viewing and listening via a single gadget
instead of switching between them, and only one remote control instead
of lots of them cluttering up the coffee table.

I haven't used my Freeview receiver at all this year, and a couple of
months ago I saved even a few more watts by switching it off at the
mains. Let's see how long it takes before I decide that I don't miss
it and might as well get rid of it.

Rod.

On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 16:41:17 UTC, SH wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 16:35, Mark Carver wrote:
> > On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
> >> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
> >>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
> >>
> >>
> >> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
> >
> > Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat SI,
> > so they are on their way to the platform too
> given the withdrawal of several HD channels from Freeview, the fact that
> you can get them still on Freesat and now with the encrytpion of ITV
> 2/3/4 HD being removed...... isn't that going to contribute to the death
> knell for freeview if enough people migrate to Freesat?

Try that if you live in flats and aren't allowed a dish.

>
> (I expect a similar death knell for satellite TV/Radio once every person
> has access to gigabit fibre internet or 5G mobile......)

On 02/11/2022 12:23, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 16:41:17 UTC, SH wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 16:35, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>>>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>>>>
>>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>>> Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat SI,
>>> so they are on their way to the platform too
>> given the withdrawal of several HD channels from Freeview, the fact that
>> you can get them still on Freesat and now with the encrytpion of ITV
>> 2/3/4 HD being removed...... isn't that going to contribute to the death
>> knell for freeview if enough people migrate to Freesat?
> Try that if you live in flats and aren't allowed a dish.
>
I'm sure the recent 'Sky Stream' box has been launched with exactly
these folk in mind

BTW the whole reason ITV have made ITV2/3/4 HD FTA is probably because
they are about to appear as HD streams on the ITV-X streaming platform,
so it would have been rather cheeky to have them behind a pay wall
anywhere else

On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 17:23:52 UTC, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 01/11/2022 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
> > Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.
> Why do you say that?
>
> I get the impression that it's growing.
>
> --
> Brian Gregory (in England).

Me too. Many TVs now come with Freesat or at least DVB-S2 receivers, and every tim $ky hike their subscriptions, more people cancel and turn to FTA satellite.

I remember a few years ago a new neighbour had a problem getting his new LG TV going. Simple Freeview tune sorted that, but I noticed an f-connector on the back. As the previous owner had installed $ky, I hooked it up, found it worked, tuned the satellite side (which was even capable of multi satellite) and to his amazement ten minutes later he had hundreds of TV channels.

"R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:26582736-4fb1-45f8-ac01-e4dbcfd2f5c6n@googlegroups.com...
> On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 17:23:52 UTC, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
>> > Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.
>> Why do you say that?
>>
>> I get the impression that it's growing.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Gregory (in England).
>
> Me too. Many TVs now come with Freesat or at least DVB-S2 receivers, and
> every tim $ky hike their subscriptions, more people cancel and turn to FTA
> satellite.
>
> I remember a few years ago a new neighbour had a problem getting his new
> LG TV going. Simple Freeview tune sorted that, but I noticed an
> f-connector on the back. As the previous owner had installed $ky, I
> hooked it up, found it worked, tuned the satellite side (which was even
> capable of multi satellite) and to his amazement ten minutes later he had
> hundreds of TV channels.

When we bought our present Philips TV about 2 years ago, I was surprised and
pleased to see that it had an F connector as well as a Belling Lee
connector, and therefore that it could be configured to receive off both
Freeview and Freesat. Sadly the F connector is in a recessed panel which
makes it very difficult to tighten/loosen the nut on the F connector on the
rare occasions when the TV needs to be moved away from the satelllite and
terrestrial cables. It would have been easy enough to disconnect those
cables from the wall socket, except that those cables are hard wired back to
the dish and aerial, presumably to reduce the number of connectors and the
possibility of bad connections.

Sadly the usability of Freesat in the TV was reduced when Philips forced a
firmware upgrade which removed the ability to designate "personalised
channels" as a subset of the several hundred that Freesat provides. I'd got
everything set up with BBC1,2,4, ITV (two local regions), CH4, CH5 and a few
other channels that we commonly watched. Everything worked fine for a year
until I eventually responded to the "firmware update" nagging message that
appeared every time the TV was turned on - and the new firmware removed the
personalised channels feature. Philips said that they had done so to comply
with a new ruling by Freeview/Freesat that TVs were no longer permitted to
allow users to create a subset of channels, and that *all* channels had to
be presented in LCN order. I believed that, but I've since learned that no
such requirement was made by Freeview/Freesat and therefore Philips were
telling me a load of bollocks. It's *my* TV and I want to be able to
customise the channel list as I want.

On 02/11/2022 13:48, NY wrote:
>  Philips said that they had done so to comply with a new ruling by
> Freeview/Freesat that TVs were no longer permitted to allow users to
> create a subset of channels, and that *all* channels had to be
> presented in LCN order. I believed that, but I've since learned that
> no such requirement was made by Freeview/Freesat and therefore Philips
> were telling me a load of bollocks.

I think it's still a requirement if the manufacturers want a 'full fat'
platform licence, but it's all terribly confusing (to me).

I've got a little LG bedroom telly, that has both Freesat and Freeview
built in. I can (and have) reordered the Freeview channels with gay
abandon, but I cannot do the same with Freesat. Also, there's no way to
'mix and match' the two platforms into your own bespoke arrangement,
which I suppose would be diffcult given two sets of EPG data to merge.

It's about 6 key strokes and a lot of waiting to switch between modes,
so I don't bother, and just use Freeview on it.

I think there is a danger though, if people use just cabled up tvs that
spying on peoples habits will become endemic and it will also lead to over
reliance on the internet, which is really going to be an issue if
international hackers have already put in their back doors. Much better to
keep at least one set of off air channels alive. I'd have thought
terrestrial would be safer as you could not shoot all the transmitters. The
problem is that the companies may well be using the internet to feed the
transmitters.
Brian

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"SH" <i.love@spam.com> wrote in message news:tjri75$oauc$1@dont-email.me...
> On 01/11/2022 16:35, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>>>
>>>
>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>>
>> Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat SI,
>> so they are on their way to the platform too
>
>
> given the withdrawal of several HD channels from Freeview, the fact that
> you can get them still on Freesat and now with the encrytpion of ITV 2/3/4
> HD being removed...... isn't that going to contribute to the death knell
> for freeview if enough people migrate to Freesat?
>
> (I expect a similar death knell for satellite TV/Radio once every person
> has access to gigabit fibre internet or 5G mobile......)

In many ways its analogue days were its haydays, it seemed everyone had a
dish back then.
Might be best in really remote places though.
Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 01/11/2022 16:41, SH wrote:
>> On 01/11/2022 16:35, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2022 16:33, SH wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2022 15:49, sintv wrote:
>>>>> Now free to view on Sky. Not sure about Freesat yet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/itv2-3-and-4-hd-to-go-free-to-air
>>>
>>> Suitably equipped folk have today seen test PIDs etc in the Freesat SI,
>>> so they are on their way to the platform too
>>
>>
>> given the withdrawal of several HD channels from Freeview, the fact that
>> you can get them still on Freesat and now with the encrytpion of ITV
>> 2/3/4 HD being removed...... isn't that going to contribute to the death
>> knell for freeview if enough people migrate to Freesat?
>>
>>
> Freesat isn't, and never will be (now) mass market.
>