Fill yer boots

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England

On Wednesday, 23 November 2022 at 14:12:23 UTC, Mark Carver wrote:
> Fill yer boots
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England
Thank you Mark.
Bill

Is this as incomprehensible as their last one. I don't want a headache.
Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Fill yer boots
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England

Brian

I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well between
changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to satellite, and
explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on BBC1 HD during regional
news). It also explains why BBC SD channels are ending on satellite (lack of
bandwidth for both SD and HD regional variations).

It's worth reading.

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> Is this as incomprehensible as their last one. I don't want a headache.
> Brian
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> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Fill yer boots
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England
>
>

On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
> Brian
>
> I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well
> between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to
> satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on BBC1
> HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels are
> ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD regional
> variations).
>
> It's worth reading.

I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance

https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions

Quote:-
Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be able to
watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023

End Quote

Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their studio
upgraded to HD by then.

What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
>> Brian
>>
>> I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well
>> between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to
>> satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on BBC1 HD
>> during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels are ending on
>> satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD regional variations).
>>
>> It's worth reading.
>
> I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance
>
> https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions
>
> Quote:-
> Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be able to
> watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023
>
> End Quote
>
> Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their studio
> upgraded to HD by then.
>
> What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
> programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023

Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been upgraded to
HD, and that the final link in the change was the ability to broadcast those
signals rather than a down-converted SD version. I suppose it will be like
Nationwide in the 1970s, where they cut to some regions which hadn't yet
converted to colour.

On 25/11/2022 10:29, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ju9g28FqimpU3@mid.individual.net...
>> On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well
>>> between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to
>>> satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on
>>> BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels
>>> are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD
>>> regional variations).
>>>
>>> It's worth reading.
>>
>> I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance
>>
>> https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions
>>
>>
>> Quote:-
>> Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be able
>> to watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023
>>
>> End Quote
>>
>> Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their studio
>> upgraded to HD by then.
>>
>> What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
>> programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023
>
> Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been
> upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the ability
> to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD version.

No, some of the studios will still be SD by the time the HD versions launch

Definitely HD:-
London
Plymouth
Salford
Southampton.

Last I heard (which was a 6 months ago) was Newcastle was being upgraded.

The others, I don't know what their status is. Places like Leeds,
Tunbridge Wells and Norwich are totally knackered with 20+ year old SD kit

And there's not much point Birmingham being upgraded because it's moving
to a new site in 2026, unless there's something that can be lashed up in
the meantime.

On 25/11/2022 11:04, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 25/11/2022 10:29, NY wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ju9g28FqimpU3@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well
>>>> between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to
>>>> satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on
>>>> BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels
>>>> are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD
>>>> regional variations).
>>>>
>>>> It's worth reading.
>>>
>>> I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance
>>>
>>> https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions
>>>
>>> Quote:-
>>> Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be able
>>> to watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023
>>>
>>> End Quote
>>>
>>> Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their studio
>>> upgraded to HD by then.
>>>
>>> What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
>>> programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023
>>
>> Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been
>> upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the ability
>> to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD version.
>
> No, some of the studios will still be SD by the time the HD versions launch
>
> Definitely HD:-
> London
> Plymouth
> Salford
> Southampton.
>
> Last I heard (which was a 6 months ago) was Newcastle was being upgraded.
>
> The others, I don't know what their status is. Places like Leeds,
> Tunbridge Wells and Norwich are totally knackered with 20+ year old SD kit
>
> And there's not much point Birmingham being upgraded because it's moving
> to a new site in 2026, unless there's something that can be lashed up in
> the meantime.
>

Well, at least they have saved some money by ceasing Oxford and
Cambridge opts!

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On 25/11/2022 13:12, Chris Youlden wrote:
> On 25/11/2022 11:04, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 25/11/2022 10:29, NY wrote:
>>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:ju9g28FqimpU3@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly
>>>>> well between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which
>>>>> relate to satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune"
>>>>> slate on BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC
>>>>> SD channels are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD
>>>>> and HD regional variations).
>>>>>
>>>>> It's worth reading.
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quote:-
>>>> Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be
>>>> able to watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023
>>>>
>>>> End Quote
>>>>
>>>> Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their
>>>> studio upgraded to HD by then.
>>>>
>>>> What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
>>>> programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023
>>>
>>> Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been
>>> upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the
>>> ability to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD
>>> version.
>>
>> No, some of the studios will still be SD by the time the HD versions
>> launch
>>
>> Definitely HD:-
>> London
>> Plymouth
>> Salford
>> Southampton.
>>
>> Last I heard (which was a 6 months ago) was Newcastle was being
>> upgraded.
>>
>> The others, I don't know what their status is. Places like Leeds,
>> Tunbridge Wells and Norwich are totally knackered with 20+ year old
>> SD kit
>>
>> And there's not much point Birmingham being upgraded because it's
>> moving to a new site in 2026, unless there's something that can be
>> lashed up in the meantime.
>>
>
> Well, at least they have saved some money by ceasing Oxford and
> Cambridge opts!
>
Ironically, I think quite a bit of Cambridge's infrastructure is HD !

I learn elsewhere that Midlands Today in Brum have decamped to a
temporary studio for a few months, so maybe the Shoebox is being
upgraded (before they all move out !)

On Friday, 25 November 2022 at 14:52:40 UTC, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 25/11/2022 13:12, Chris Youlden wrote:
> > On 25/11/2022 11:04, Mark Carver wrote:
> >> On 25/11/2022 10:29, NY wrote:
> >>> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> >>> news:ju9g28...@mid.individual.net...
> >>>> On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
> >>>>> Brian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly
> >>>>> well between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which
> >>>>> relate to satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune"
> >>>>> slate on BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC
> >>>>> SD channels are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD
> >>>>> and HD regional variations).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's worth reading.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Quote:-
> >>>> Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be
> >>>> able to watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023
> >>>>
> >>>> End Quote
> >>>>
> >>>> Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their
> >>>> studio upgraded to HD by then.
> >>>>
> >>>> What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
> >>>> programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023
> >>>
> >>> Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been
> >>> upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the
> >>> ability to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD
> >>> version.
> >>
> >> No, some of the studios will still be SD by the time the HD versions
> >> launch
> >>
> >> Definitely HD:-
> >> London
> >> Plymouth
> >> Salford
> >> Southampton.
> >>
> >> Last I heard (which was a 6 months ago) was Newcastle was being
> >> upgraded.
> >>
> >> The others, I don't know what their status is. Places like Leeds,
> >> Tunbridge Wells and Norwich are totally knackered with 20+ year old
> >> SD kit
> >>
> >> And there's not much point Birmingham being upgraded because it's
> >> moving to a new site in 2026, unless there's something that can be
> >> lashed up in the meantime.
> >>
> >
> > Well, at least they have saved some money by ceasing Oxford and
> > Cambridge opts!
> >
> Ironically, I think quite a bit of Cambridge's infrastructure is HD !
>
> I learn elsewhere that Midlands Today in Brum have decamped to a
> temporary studio for a few months, so maybe the Shoebox is being
> upgraded (before they all move out !)
As a viewer of BBC East (West) as they label it, I can confirm that the picture quality via Sky is appalling. If there is HD anywhere in the Cambridge office then it is not making its presence felt. That aside I think I am not alone in thinking having the entire region served from Norwich is a retrograde step. Still, what does it matter what the great unwashed think. We're only the customers. Rant over.

On 29/11/2022 14:37, Kevin H wrote:

> As a viewer of BBC East (West) as they label it, I can confirm that the picture quality via Sky is appalling. If there is HD anywhere in the Cambridge office then it is not making its presence felt. That aside I think I am not alone in thinking having the entire region served from Norwich is a retrograde step. Still, what does it matter what the great unwashed think. We're only the customers. Rant over.

Yes, the BBC is very good at planning regional coverage! I think the
historical necessity to cover an area designated by transmitter coverage
lives on.

We are now seeing Swindon stories regularly on South Today because the
Oxford transmitter sweeps down into Swindon, and the Oxford opt has ceased.

And back before the dawn of time when the BBC debated where their South
Region should be based, it was a toss up between Southampton and
Brighton. Somebody apparently questioned how relevant Dorset was to
Brighton, or vice versa, and Southampton won. (Although the official
reason given was the docks).

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On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 18:52:24 +0000, Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> wrote:

> We are now seeing Swindon stories regularly on South Today because the
> Oxford transmitter sweeps down into Swindon, and the Oxford opt has ceased.

No it hasn't. The last day is Fri 16th.