<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>

Extract:

Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.

Christopher Bailey, of Knight Frank, said: “While west Cornwall had already
started to see a shift in demographics before the pandemic, with a handful
of workers commuting from Newquay airport, post-lockdowns the stigma
attached to WFH has evaporated. This is a game changer that genuinely
allows people to live this far west, commute weekly to London and go
surfing three or four days a week. It’s a proper ­quality-of-life move.”

Scotland has also seen a surge in buyers from south of the border. Knight
Frank said the number of UK-based prospective buyers (excluding those
already in Scotland) looking to purchase in the 12 months to July 2022 was
14pc above the five-year average.

Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.

Bookings for the sleeper train services to Cornwall and Scotland were up an
average of 175pc between March and June this year compared with the same
period in 2019, according to ticketing website Trainline. Passengers from
Penzance to London rose 17pc, those from Edinburgh to London increased by
48pc and passengers travelling between Glasgow and London were up by 111pc.

Of course, this increase won’t all be down to commuting; rather, increasing
appetite for long-distance train travel was likely due to several factors,
said Milena Nikolic, of Trainline.

“It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
move to these locations, an increase in stay­cations or a greater
appreciation for the environmental benefits of choosing rail over driving
or flying,” she explained.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>
>
> Extract:
>
> Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
> such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
> buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
> five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.
>
>
>
> Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
> part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.

> “It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
> move to these locations,

Then having got there start complaining about waits for Doctors and
Hospital appointments , excessive wait times at A&E exorbitant , water
supplies inadequate and because they have priced locals put of the market
that no one is around to do the menial jobs that they would not want their
children to do .
The exodus from London and the SE is a right blight on some parts of the
UK, but who can blame them when Foreigners have laundered their often ill
gotten gains by buying large chunks of it turning it into an overpriced
shithole.

GH

On 2022-08-22 17:16:50 +0000, Marland said:

> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>
>>
>> Extract:
>>
>> Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
>> such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
>> buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
>> five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.
>>
>>
>>
>> Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
>> part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.
>
>> “It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
>> move to these locations,
>
> Then having got there start complaining about waits for Doctors and
> Hospital appointments , excessive wait times at A&E exorbitant , water
> supplies inadequate and because they have priced locals put of the market
> that no one is around to do the menial jobs that they would not want their
> children to do .
> The exodus from London and the SE is a right blight on some parts of the
> UK, but who can blame them when Foreigners have laundered their often ill
> gotten gains by buying large chunks of it turning it into an overpriced
> shithole.

A major problem for a lot of places like Cornwall is that the tourist
trade that prices locals out of the towns is so seasonal that these
places become ghost towns out of season, and the lack of year-round
employment causes rpoblems for the locals. Having people earning higher
salaries who are living there year round and spending their money
locally is a big improvement over seasonal holidaymakers.

Robin

Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-22 17:16:50 +0000, Marland said:
>
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>
>>>
>>> Extract:
>>>
>>> Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
>>> such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
>>> buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
>>> five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
>>> part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.
>>
>>> “It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
>>> move to these locations,
>>
>> Then having got there start complaining about waits for Doctors and
>> Hospital appointments , excessive wait times at A&E exorbitant , water
>> supplies inadequate and because they have priced locals put of the market
>> that no one is around to do the menial jobs that they would not want their
>> children to do .
>> The exodus from London and the SE is a right blight on some parts of the
>> UK, but who can blame them when Foreigners have laundered their often ill
>> gotten gains by buying large chunks of it turning it into an overpriced
>> shithole.
>
> A major problem for a lot of places like Cornwall is that the tourist
> trade that prices locals out of the towns is so seasonal that these
> places become ghost towns out of season, and the lack of year-round
> employment causes rpoblems for the locals. Having people earning higher
> salaries who are living there year round and spending their money
> locally is a big improvement over seasonal holidaymakers.
>
> Robin
>
>

That is true, and hopefully some balance may be restored as the years
pass,but it remains to be seen
if facilities like Hospitals and other infrastructure is expanded to handle
those who move in to stay ,
and then after 25 years their children will want homes and the supply of
old farmworker and fisherman cottages is not infinite so more housing will
need to built and ruin the ambience of those places they moved there for.
Meanwhile London becomes a place where rich foreigners abroad make more
money by renting to poorer foreigners who have made it in.

GH

In message <te0fg6$2niqe$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:47:50 on Mon, 22 Aug
2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:

>A major problem for a lot of places like Cornwall is that the tourist
>trade that prices locals out of the towns is so seasonal that these
>places become ghost towns out of season, and the lack of year-round
>employment causes rpoblems for the locals. Having people earning higher
>salaries who are living there year round and spending their money
>locally is a big improvement over seasonal holidaymakers.

That's an interesting insight. And also being first-home residents, will
likely count towards the apportioning of extra resources to various
public services.
--
Roland Perry

On 2022-08-22 18:26:02 +0000, Marland said:

> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-22 17:16:50 +0000, Marland said:
>>
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>
>>>>
>>>> Extract:
>>>>
>>>> Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
>>>> such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
>>>> buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
>>>> five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
>>>> part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.
>>>
>>>> “It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
>>>> move to these locations,
>>>
>>> Then having got there start complaining about waits for Doctors and
>>> Hospital appointments , excessive wait times at A&E exorbitant , water
>>> supplies inadequate and because they have priced locals put of the market
>>> that no one is around to do the menial jobs that they would not want their
>>> children to do .
>>> The exodus from London and the SE is a right blight on some parts of the
>>> UK, but who can blame them when Foreigners have laundered their often ill
>>> gotten gains by buying large chunks of it turning it into an overpriced
>>> shithole.
>>
>> A major problem for a lot of places like Cornwall is that the tourist
>> trade that prices locals out of the towns is so seasonal that these
>> places become ghost towns out of season, and the lack of year-round
>> employment causes rpoblems for the locals. Having people earning higher
>> salaries who are living there year round and spending their money
>> locally is a big improvement over seasonal holidaymakers.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>
> That is true, and hopefully some balance may be restored as the years
> pass,but it remains to be seen
> if facilities like Hospitals and other infrastructure is expanded to handle
> those who move in to stay ,
> and then after 25 years their children will want homes and the supply of
> old farmworker and fisherman cottages is not infinite so more housing will
> need to built and ruin the ambience of those places they moved there for.
> Meanwhile London becomes a place where rich foreigners abroad make more
> money by renting to poorer foreigners who have made it in.

In other words, it will be "levelling up" the regions, a phrase beloved
by our outgoing PM.

Robin

Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-22 18:26:02 +0000, Marland said:
>
>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-22 17:16:50 +0000, Marland said:
>>>
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Extract:
>>>>>
>>>>> Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
>>>>> such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
>>>>> buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
>>>>> five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
>>>>> part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.
>>>>
>>>>> “It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
>>>>> move to these locations,
>>>>
>>>> Then having got there start complaining about waits for Doctors and
>>>> Hospital appointments , excessive wait times at A&E exorbitant , water
>>>> supplies inadequate and because they have priced locals put of the market
>>>> that no one is around to do the menial jobs that they would not want their
>>>> children to do .
>>>> The exodus from London and the SE is a right blight on some parts of the
>>>> UK, but who can blame them when Foreigners have laundered their often ill
>>>> gotten gains by buying large chunks of it turning it into an overpriced
>>>> shithole.
>>>
>>> A major problem for a lot of places like Cornwall is that the tourist
>>> trade that prices locals out of the towns is so seasonal that these
>>> places become ghost towns out of season, and the lack of year-round
>>> employment causes rpoblems for the locals. Having people earning higher
>>> salaries who are living there year round and spending their money
>>> locally is a big improvement over seasonal holidaymakers.
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is true, and hopefully some balance may be restored as the years
>> pass,but it remains to be seen
>> if facilities like Hospitals and other infrastructure is expanded to handle
>> those who move in to stay ,
>> and then after 25 years their children will want homes and the supply of
>> old farmworker and fisherman cottages is not infinite so more housing will
>> need to built and ruin the ambience of those places they moved there for.
>> Meanwhile London becomes a place where rich foreigners abroad make more
>> money by renting to poorer foreigners who have made it in.
>
> In other words, it will be "levelling up" the regions, a phrase beloved
> by our outgoing PM.
>
> Robin
>
>

Levelling down would be more accurate.

GH

On 2022-08-23 23:43:17 +0000, Marland said:

> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-22 18:26:02 +0000, Marland said:
>>
>>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-08-22 17:16:50 +0000, Marland said:
>>>>
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Extract:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
>>>>>> such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
>>>>>> buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
>>>>>> five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
>>>>>> part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.
>>>>>
>>>>>> “It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
>>>>>> move to these locations,
>>>>>
>>>>> Then having got there start complaining about waits for Doctors and
>>>>> Hospital appointments , excessive wait times at A&E exorbitant , water
>>>>> supplies inadequate and because they have priced locals put of the market
>>>>> that no one is around to do the menial jobs that they would not want their
>>>>> children to do .
>>>>> The exodus from London and the SE is a right blight on some parts of the
>>>>> UK, but who can blame them when Foreigners have laundered their often ill
>>>>> gotten gains by buying large chunks of it turning it into an overpriced
>>>>> shithole.
>>>>
>>>> A major problem for a lot of places like Cornwall is that the tourist
>>>> trade that prices locals out of the towns is so seasonal that these
>>>> places become ghost towns out of season, and the lack of year-round
>>>> employment causes rpoblems for the locals. Having people earning higher
>>>> salaries who are living there year round and spending their money
>>>> locally is a big improvement over seasonal holidaymakers.
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is true, and hopefully some balance may be restored as the years
>>> pass,but it remains to be seen
>>> if facilities like Hospitals and other infrastructure is expanded to handle
>>> those who move in to stay ,
>>> and then after 25 years their children will want homes and the supply of
>>> old farmworker and fisherman cottages is not infinite so more housing will
>>> need to built and ruin the ambience of those places they moved there for.
>>> Meanwhile London becomes a place where rich foreigners abroad make more
>>> money by renting to poorer foreigners who have made it in.
>>
>> In other words, it will be "levelling up" the regions, a phrase beloved
>> by our outgoing PM.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>
> Levelling down would be more accurate.

So what would your idea of "levelling up" look like? If more, better
paying jobs are created in the area, all the same factors come into
play, the main difference beign aspirational young people might be less
likely to move away to seek better job prospects than stay in the area,
but it's still going to have the effect of raising house prices,
attracting people from other places and growing the local population.

Robin

Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-23 23:43:17 +0000, Marland said:
>
>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-22 18:26:02 +0000, Marland said:
>>>
>>>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-08-22 17:16:50 +0000, Marland said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Extract:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
>>>>>>> such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
>>>>>>> buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
>>>>>>> five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
>>>>>>> part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
>>>>>>> move to these locations,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then having got there start complaining about waits for Doctors and
>>>>>> Hospital appointments , excessive wait times at A&E exorbitant , water
>>>>>> supplies inadequate and because they have priced locals put of the market
>>>>>> that no one is around to do the menial jobs that they would not want their
>>>>>> children to do .
>>>>>> The exodus from London and the SE is a right blight on some parts of the
>>>>>> UK, but who can blame them when Foreigners have laundered their often ill
>>>>>> gotten gains by buying large chunks of it turning it into an overpriced
>>>>>> shithole.
>>>>>
>>>>> A major problem for a lot of places like Cornwall is that the tourist
>>>>> trade that prices locals out of the towns is so seasonal that these
>>>>> places become ghost towns out of season, and the lack of year-round
>>>>> employment causes rpoblems for the locals. Having people earning higher
>>>>> salaries who are living there year round and spending their money
>>>>> locally is a big improvement over seasonal holidaymakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is true, and hopefully some balance may be restored as the years
>>>> pass,but it remains to be seen
>>>> if facilities like Hospitals and other infrastructure is expanded to handle
>>>> those who move in to stay ,
>>>> and then after 25 years their children will want homes and the supply of
>>>> old farmworker and fisherman cottages is not infinite so more housing will
>>>> need to built and ruin the ambience of those places they moved there for.
>>>> Meanwhile London becomes a place where rich foreigners abroad make more
>>>> money by renting to poorer foreigners who have made it in.
>>>
>>> In other words, it will be "levelling up" the regions, a phrase beloved
>>> by our outgoing PM.
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Levelling down would be more accurate.
>
> So what would your idea of "levelling up" look like? If more, better
> paying jobs are created in the area, all the same factors come into
> play, the main difference beign aspirational young people might be less
> likely to move away to seek better job prospects than stay in the area,
> but it's still going to have the effect of raising house prices,
> attracting people from other places and growing the local population.
>
> Robin
>
>

I don’t have one, I just think levelling up implies an improvement in
overall quality of life but what will happen is that that the ambience of
some places that attracted people to them in the first place will
disappear as such places get ruined . That is why I think it is more a
levelling down.
The Elephant in the room of course is population growth , not helped by the
1000’s daily who are now getting here who need housing and in a couple of
decades time their often numerous children.
No easy answer to that in society like ours.
Perhaps a non treatable severe form of Covid will end up doing it for us.

GH

On 2022-08-24 15:28:36 +0000, Marland said:

> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-23 23:43:17 +0000, Marland said:
>>
>>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-08-22 18:26:02 +0000, Marland said:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-08-22 17:16:50 +0000, Marland said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/uk/commute-work-sleeper-train/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Extract:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Estate agents have noticed an increase in long-distance moves to places
>>>>>>>> such as Cornwall. Estate agency Knight Frank said the number of Londoners
>>>>>>>> buying in the South West in the 12 months to June was 50pc above the
>>>>>>>> five-year average, in large part due to the adoption of hybrid working.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of this group, those in London and the South East comprised the largest
>>>>>>>> part, making up 71pc of all buyers, the estate agent said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “It could be that more people are taking advantage of working from home to
>>>>>>>> move to these locations,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then having got there start complaining about waits for Doctors and
>>>>>>> Hospital appointments , excessive wait times at A&E exorbitant , water
>>>>>>> supplies inadequate and because they have priced locals put of the market
>>>>>>> that no one is around to do the menial jobs that they would not want their
>>>>>>> children to do .
>>>>>>> The exodus from London and the SE is a right blight on some parts of the
>>>>>>> UK, but who can blame them when Foreigners have laundered their often ill
>>>>>>> gotten gains by buying large chunks of it turning it into an overpriced
>>>>>>> shithole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A major problem for a lot of places like Cornwall is that the tourist
>>>>>> trade that prices locals out of the towns is so seasonal that these
>>>>>> places become ghost towns out of season, and the lack of year-round
>>>>>> employment causes rpoblems for the locals. Having people earning higher
>>>>>> salaries who are living there year round and spending their money
>>>>>> locally is a big improvement over seasonal holidaymakers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is true, and hopefully some balance may be restored as the years
>>>>> pass,but it remains to be seen
>>>>> if facilities like Hospitals and other infrastructure is expanded to handle
>>>>> those who move in to stay ,
>>>>> and then after 25 years their children will want homes and the supply of
>>>>> old farmworker and fisherman cottages is not infinite so more housing will
>>>>> need to built and ruin the ambience of those places they moved there for.
>>>>> Meanwhile London becomes a place where rich foreigners abroad make more
>>>>> money by renting to poorer foreigners who have made it in.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, it will be "levelling up" the regions, a phrase beloved
>>>> by our outgoing PM.
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Levelling down would be more accurate.
>>
>> So what would your idea of "levelling up" look like? If more, better
>> paying jobs are created in the area, all the same factors come into
>> play, the main difference beign aspirational young people might be less
>> likely to move away to seek better job prospects than stay in the area,
>> but it's still going to have the effect of raising house prices,
>> attracting people from other places and growing the local population.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>
> I don’t have one, I just think levelling up implies an improvement in
> overall quality of life but what will happen is that that the ambience of
> some places that attracted people to them in the first place will
> disappear as such places get ruined . That is why I think it is more a
> levelling down.
> The Elephant in the room of course is population growth , not helped by the
> 1000’s daily who are now getting here who need housing and in a couple of
> decades time their often numerous children.
> No easy answer to that in society like ours.
> Perhaps a non treatable severe form of Covid will end up doing it for us.

UK net migration has been on a downward trajectory since 2015, and the
last time fertility rates in the UK were at or above replacement level
was 50 years ago. Towns and villages outside of commuting distance from
urban centres have seen a consistent decline in population as the local
economies have not been able to retain or attract young people. If the
UK is going to house its population, it will be by encouraging people
to move out of the urban centres and into the rest of the country.

RObin

On 24/08/2022 16:28, Marland wrote:
> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-23 23:43:17 +0000, Marland said:
>>
>>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:

>>>> In other words, it will be "levelling up" the regions, a phrase beloved
>>>> by our outgoing PM.
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Levelling down would be more accurate.
>>
>> So what would your idea of "levelling up" look like? If more, better
>> paying jobs are created in the area, all the same factors come into
>> play, the main difference beign aspirational young people might be less
>> likely to move away to seek better job prospects than stay in the area,
>> but it's still going to have the effect of raising house prices,
>> attracting people from other places and growing the local population.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>
> I don’t have one, I just think levelling up implies an improvement in
> overall quality of life but what will happen is that that the ambience of
> some places that attracted people to them in the first place will
> disappear as such places get ruined . That is why I think it is more a
> levelling down.

Isn't it more focused on places which are dumps?

--
Arthur Figgis

The nearest that I have heard to "commuting" by sleeper was the person
who restored a castle on a small island South of here. He lived in the
Home Counties and would travel up on the Friday night sleeper, he kept a
car up here somewhere and drove down to work on the castle all weekend
then returned on the Sunday night sleeper ready for work on Monday morning.

Think "Aaargh"

In message <TvOcna4ymvg4wZv-nZ2dnZfqnPrNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
18:16:25 on Wed, 24 Aug 2022, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
remarked:

>>I just think levelling up implies an improvement in
>> overall quality of life but what will happen is that that the ambience of
>> some places that attracted people to them in the first place will
>> disappear as such places get ruined . That is why I think it is more a
>> levelling down.
>
>Isn't it more focused on places which are dumps?

According to an education minister on the news this morning, Barnsley is
the poster boy for regional deprivation.
--
Roland Perry