It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.

<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-look/>

On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>
> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-look/>

We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at the
moment.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-look/>
>
> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at the
> moment.
>

True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers (such as
Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to take
over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>
>>>
><https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>ook/>
>>
>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at the
>> moment.
>>
>
>True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
>may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers (such as
>Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
>Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to take
>over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
>unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.

Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one of the
better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years. As for
the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.

Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad hand
enough people so we get another 3rd rater.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>
>>>>
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>> ook/>
>>>
>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at the
>>> moment.
>>>
>>
>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers (such as
>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to take
>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>
> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one of the
> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years.

Yes, it seems very likely he'll keep that job.

> As for the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.

Let's hope she doesn't just appoint people who are loyal but won't outshine
her, as Boris did.

> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad hand
> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.

He has no government experience at all, so wasn't a serious contender. But
he's likely to join the government, probably as a junior minister in the
Foreign Office, assisting Cleverly.

On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>
>>>>
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>> ook/>
>>>
>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at the
>>> moment.
>>>
>>
>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers (such as
>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to take
>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>
> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one of the
> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years. As for
> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>
> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad hand
> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>

The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
about six months. She hasn't got the calibre or expertise to govern
the country. By Spring 2023 the Tory party will be consumed with
dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
can dream!

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:00:01 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:

> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-look/>

Kemi - that's the batshit crazy one?

On 27/08/2022 12:05, Weather or Not wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary
>>>>> for much
>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job?  The Telegraph
>>>>> suggests
>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>>
>>> ook/>
>>>>
>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at
>>>> the
>>>> moment.
>>>>
>>>
>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers
>>> (such as
>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to
>>> take
>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>
>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one
>> of the
>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years. As for
>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>
>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad
>> hand
>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>
>
> The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
> becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
> about six months.  She hasn't got the calibre or  expertise to govern
> the country.

But then, neither did her immediate predecessors.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 27/08/2022 12:05, mechanic wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:00:01 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-look/>
>
> Kemi - that's the batshit crazy one?

You are not narrowing the field.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 27/08/2022 12:05, Weather or Not wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary
>>>>> for much
>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job?  The Telegraph
>>>>> suggests
>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>> ook/>
>>>>
>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at
>>>> the
>>>> moment.
>>>>
>>>
>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers
>>> (such as
>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to
>>> take
>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>
>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one
>> of the
>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years. As for
>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>
>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad
>> hand
>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>
>
> The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
> becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
> about six months.  She hasn't got the calibre or  expertise to govern
> the country.  By Spring 2023  the Tory party will be consumed with
> dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
> nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
> government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
> can dream!

They will hang on until the last possible moment, so the next general
election will be in November or December 2024. In the absence of another
Falklands War, Truss's Thatcher-like policies will have proved so
disastrous and unpopular that they will not dare risk an early election.
She may even be dumped by the "Boris was Great" lobby.

Unfortunately, Labour will fail to win that election, and Starmer will
also be dumped -- hopefully not to be replaced by some Corbyn-like loser.

In message <tecuu3$9hqh$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:24:51 on Sat, 27 Aug
2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 27/08/2022 12:05, mechanic wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:00:01 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabin
>>>>et-could-look/>
>> Kemi - that's the batshit crazy one?
>
>You are not narrowing the field.

No mention of who might be Chief of Staff, although was someone else
appointed after "two jobs" Steve Barclay was moved to Health Secretary?

Later... it seems the previous deputy is currently a caretaker.
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:05:13 +0100, Weather or Not <joe.egginton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>> ook/>
>>>>
>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at the
>>>> moment.
>>>>
>>>
>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers (such as
>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to take
>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>
>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one of the
>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years. As for
>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>
>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad hand
>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>
>
>The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
>becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
>about six months. She hasn't got the calibre or expertise to govern
>the country. By Spring 2023 the Tory party will be consumed with
>dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
>nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
>government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
>can dream!

They've been split for well over 30 years, but that hasn't stopped them being in government for more than half of that
time. The rebels certainly won't bring down their own government.

Of course, it's possible that Truss herself will opt for an early election in Spring 2023, while her temporary honeymoon
lasts.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:42:35 +0100, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 27/08/2022 12:05, Weather or Not wrote:
>> On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary
>>>>>> for much
>>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job?  The Telegraph
>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>>> ook/>
>>>>>
>>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at
>>>>> the
>>>>> moment.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
>>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers
>>>> (such as
>>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
>>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to
>>>> take
>>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
>>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>>
>>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one
>>> of the
>>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years. As for
>>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>>
>>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad
>>> hand
>>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>>
>>
>> The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
>> becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
>> about six months.  She hasn't got the calibre or  expertise to govern
>> the country.  By Spring 2023  the Tory party will be consumed with
>> dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
>> nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
>> government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
>> can dream!
>
>They will hang on until the last possible moment, so the next general
>election will be in November or December 2024.

Unless she opts for an early election while her honeymoon lasts.

> In the absence of another
>Falklands War, Truss's Thatcher-like policies will have proved so
>disastrous and unpopular that they will not dare risk an early election.
>She may even be dumped by the "Boris was Great" lobby.
>
>Unfortunately, Labour will fail to win that election, and Starmer will
>also be dumped -- hopefully not to be replaced by some Corbyn-like loser.

Yes, a hung parliament would be the most likely result if the election is in late 2024.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:05:15 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:00:01 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-look/>
>
>Kemi - that's the batshit crazy one?

No, that's Truss

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:42:48 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>In message <tecuu3$9hqh$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:24:51 on Sat, 27 Aug
>2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>On 27/08/2022 12:05, mechanic wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:00:01 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary for much
>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job? The Telegraph suggests
>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabin
>>>>>et-could-look/>
>>> Kemi - that's the batshit crazy one?
>>
>>You are not narrowing the field.
>
>No mention of who might be Chief of Staff, although was someone else
>appointed after "two jobs" Steve Barclay was moved to Health Secretary?

Mark Fullbrook

On 27/08/2022 12:51, Recliner wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:42:35 +0100, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/2022 12:05, Weather or Not wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary
>>>>>>> for much
>>>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job?  The Telegraph
>>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>>>> ook/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs, plus she
>>>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers
>>>>> (such as
>>>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng, Suella
>>>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to
>>>>> take
>>>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It seems
>>>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>>>
>>>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one
>>>> of the
>>>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years. As for
>>>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>>>
>>>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad
>>>> hand
>>>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
>>> becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
>>> about six months.  She hasn't got the calibre or  expertise to govern
>>> the country.  By Spring 2023  the Tory party will be consumed with
>>> dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
>>> nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
>>> government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
>>> can dream!
>>
>> They will hang on until the last possible moment, so the next general
>> election will be in November or December 2024.
>
> Unless she opts for an early election while her honeymoon lasts.

The one with the country or the one with the party?
(No Boris, not that sort of party!)

>
>
>> In the absence of another
>> Falklands War, Truss's Thatcher-like policies will have proved so
>> disastrous and unpopular that they will not dare risk an early election.
>> She may even be dumped by the "Boris was Great" lobby.
>>
>> Unfortunately, Labour will fail to win that election, and Starmer will
>> also be dumped -- hopefully not to be replaced by some Corbyn-like loser.
>
> Yes, a hung parliament would be the most likely result if the election is in late 2024.

Which is another problem for Starmer as he has precipitately ruled out
taking part in a coalition.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 27/08/2022 13:26, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 12:51, Recliner wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:42:35 +0100, Bevan Price
>> <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/08/2022 12:05, Weather or Not wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary
>>>>>>>> for much
>>>>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job?  The Telegraph
>>>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ook/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs,
>>>>>> plus she
>>>>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers
>>>>>> (such as
>>>>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng,
>>>>>> Suella
>>>>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one
>>>>> of the
>>>>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years.
>>>>> As for
>>>>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad
>>>>> hand
>>>>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
>>>> becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
>>>> about six months.  She hasn't got the calibre or  expertise to govern
>>>> the country.  By Spring 2023  the Tory party will be consumed with
>>>> dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
>>>> nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
>>>> government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
>>>> can dream!
>>>
>>> They will hang on until the last possible moment, so the next general
>>> election will be in November or December 2024.
>>
>> Unless she opts for an early election while her honeymoon lasts.
>
> The one with the country or the one with the party?
> (No Boris, not that sort of party!)
>
>>
>>
>>> In the absence of another
>>> Falklands War, Truss's Thatcher-like policies will have proved so
>>> disastrous and unpopular that they will not dare risk an early election.
>>> She may even be dumped by the "Boris was Great" lobby.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, Labour will fail to win that election, and Starmer will
>>> also be dumped -- hopefully not to be replaced by some Corbyn-like
>>> loser.
>>
>> Yes, a hung parliament would be the most likely result if the election
>> is in late 2024.
>
> Which is another problem for Starmer as he has precipitately ruled out
> taking part in a coalition.

If neither Conservative nor Labour has a majority, one of them can reach
the magic number by coalescing(?) with sufficient minorities. One risk
is a joint Labour and SNP administration, though their intense rivalry
in Scotland might save the UK from such a disaster.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:47:34 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> As for the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>
>
>Let's hope she doesn't just appoint people who are loyal but won't outshine
>her, as Boris did.

Frankly that would be a difficult ask. She has all the charisma of a boiled
egg.

>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad hand
>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>
>He has no government experience at all, so wasn't a serious contender. But

To be fair neither did Blair or Cameron. Sometimes you need someone fresh
to shake things up a bit.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:05:13 +0100
Weather or Not <joe.egginton@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad hand
>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>
>
>The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss

Its not doing the country any favours either given the problems we've got.
If Boris was a hands on PM it wouldn't matter, he could just keep things
ticking over until the vote but clearly he gives even less of a toss than
before he resigned.

If the Tories had any interest in the UK rather than their own party they'd
have cut short this idiotic circus and had the vote weeks ago.

>government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
>can dream!

Dream about what though? Labour are also full of incompetants and lightweights.
Ditto the lib dems. There's no one fit to govern in westminster IMO.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:42:35 +0100
Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>They will hang on until the last possible moment, so the next general
>election will be in November or December 2024. In the absence of another

More than likely.

>Falklands War, Truss's Thatcher-like policies will have proved so
>disastrous and unpopular that they will not dare risk an early election.

Hopefully she may move away from the full Thatcher. Unfortunately some
politicians don't seem to realise policies were of their time. Thatcherism
was the right thing at the right time in the early 80s but wasn't right for
the 90s - despite Major keeping it on life support and privatising the
railways - and certainly isn't in the 2020s.

>She may even be dumped by the "Boris was Great" lobby.

I've heard on a couple of radio stations that the Tory unwashed are not
happy Boris was kicked out so you never know.

>Unfortunately, Labour will fail to win that election, and Starmer will
>also be dumped -- hopefully not to be replaced by some Corbyn-like loser.

Rayner seems fairly clued up if a bit left for me. Not sure if I could put
up with hearing that voice very often though.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 14:03:40 +0100
Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>On 27/08/2022 13:26, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> Which is another problem for Starmer as he has precipitately ruled out
>> taking part in a coalition.
>
>If neither Conservative nor Labour has a majority, one of them can reach
>the magic number by coalescing(?) with sufficient minorities. One risk
>is a joint Labour and SNP administration, though their intense rivalry

That would have no legitimacy outside of Scotland so if they tried it I suspect
Labour would be writing their own suicide note.

Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 13:26, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 27/08/2022 12:51, Recliner wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:42:35 +0100, Bevan Price
>>> <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/08/2022 12:05, Weather or Not wrote:
>>>>> On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary
>>>>>>>>> for much
>>>>>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job?  The Telegraph
>>>>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ook/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs,
>>>>>>> plus she
>>>>>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers
>>>>>>> (such as
>>>>>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng,
>>>>>>> Suella
>>>>>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It
>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years.
>>>>>> As for
>>>>>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad
>>>>>> hand
>>>>>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
>>>>> becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
>>>>> about six months.  She hasn't got the calibre or  expertise to govern
>>>>> the country.  By Spring 2023  the Tory party will be consumed with
>>>>> dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
>>>>> nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
>>>>> government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
>>>>> can dream!
>>>>
>>>> They will hang on until the last possible moment, so the next general
>>>> election will be in November or December 2024.
>>>
>>> Unless she opts for an early election while her honeymoon lasts.
>>
>> The one with the country or the one with the party?
>> (No Boris, not that sort of party!)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In the absence of another
>>>> Falklands War, Truss's Thatcher-like policies will have proved so
>>>> disastrous and unpopular that they will not dare risk an early election.
>>>> She may even be dumped by the "Boris was Great" lobby.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, Labour will fail to win that election, and Starmer will
>>>> also be dumped -- hopefully not to be replaced by some Corbyn-like
>>>> loser.
>>>
>>> Yes, a hung parliament would be the most likely result if the election
>>> is in late 2024.
>>
>> Which is another problem for Starmer as he has precipitately ruled out
>> taking part in a coalition.
>
> If neither Conservative nor Labour has a majority, one of them can reach
> the magic number by coalescing(?) with sufficient minorities. One risk
> is a joint Labour and SNP administration, though their intense rivalry
> in Scotland might save the UK from such a disaster.
>

They wouldn't form a formal coalition or even have a formal agreement. But
there would be an informal agreement by the minor parties to support a
minority Labour government on key votes and not vote against it even when
they don't actively support a bill. In return, Labour would have to give
those parties some of their key demands.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:47:34 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> As for the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>
>>
>> Let's hope she doesn't just appoint people who are loyal but won't outshine
>> her, as Boris did.
>
> Frankly that would be a difficult ask. She has all the charisma of a boiled
> egg.
>
>>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad hand
>>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>
>> He has no government experience at all, so wasn't a serious contender. But
>
> To be fair neither did Blair or Cameron. Sometimes you need someone fresh
> to shake things up a bit.
>
>

They had both been leaders of the opposition for several years before
becoming PM. That taught them a lot about government. But when a new leader
takes over and immediately becomes PM, it's essential that they've had
senior cabinet experience. And Truss is in fact the most experienced
cabinet minister in parliament. So she's actually quite well qualified.

On 27/08/2022 15:26, Recliner wrote:
> Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> On 27/08/2022 13:26, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2022 12:51, Recliner wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:42:35 +0100, Bevan Price
>>>> <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/08/2022 12:05, Weather or Not wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary
>>>>>>>>>> for much
>>>>>>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job?  The Telegraph
>>>>>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ook/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs,
>>>>>>>> plus she
>>>>>>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers
>>>>>>>> (such as
>>>>>>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng,
>>>>>>>> Suella
>>>>>>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It
>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years.
>>>>>>> As for
>>>>>>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad
>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
>>>>>> becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
>>>>>> about six months.  She hasn't got the calibre or  expertise to govern
>>>>>> the country.  By Spring 2023  the Tory party will be consumed with
>>>>>> dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
>>>>>> nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
>>>>>> government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
>>>>>> can dream!
>>>>>
>>>>> They will hang on until the last possible moment, so the next general
>>>>> election will be in November or December 2024.
>>>>
>>>> Unless she opts for an early election while her honeymoon lasts.
>>>
>>> The one with the country or the one with the party?
>>> (No Boris, not that sort of party!)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In the absence of another
>>>>> Falklands War, Truss's Thatcher-like policies will have proved so
>>>>> disastrous and unpopular that they will not dare risk an early election.
>>>>> She may even be dumped by the "Boris was Great" lobby.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, Labour will fail to win that election, and Starmer will
>>>>> also be dumped -- hopefully not to be replaced by some Corbyn-like
>>>>> loser.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, a hung parliament would be the most likely result if the election
>>>> is in late 2024.
>>>
>>> Which is another problem for Starmer as he has precipitately ruled out
>>> taking part in a coalition.
>>
>> If neither Conservative nor Labour has a majority, one of them can reach
>> the magic number by coalescing(?) with sufficient minorities. One risk
>> is a joint Labour and SNP administration, though their intense rivalry
>> in Scotland might save the UK from such a disaster.
>>
>
> They wouldn't form a formal coalition or even have a formal agreement. But
> there would be an informal agreement by the minor parties to support a
> minority Labour government on key votes and not vote against it even when
> they don't actively support a bill. In return, Labour would have to give
> those parties some of their key demands.
>

Like May had to rely on with the DUP.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 15:26, Recliner wrote:
>> Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2022 13:26, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2022 12:51, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:42:35 +0100, Bevan Price
>>>>> <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/08/2022 12:05, Weather or Not wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/08/2022 10:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:19:47 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/08/2022 09:28, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It's very likely that Michael Green won't be Transport Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>> for much
>>>>>>>>>>> longer, so which Truss supporter will get the job?  The Telegraph
>>>>>>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>>>>>>> that Kemi Badenoch is hs likely replacement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/how-liz-trusss-cabinet-could-l
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ook/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We will know in a fortnight, everyone is playing fantasy cabinets at
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> True. Truss has a lot of supporters who are expecting top jobs,
>>>>>>>>> plus she
>>>>>>>>> may want to show magnanimity to some of Sunak's less vocal backers
>>>>>>>>> (such as
>>>>>>>>> Shapps). It seems that her top cabinet members (Kwasi Kwarteng,
>>>>>>>>> Suella
>>>>>>>>> Braverman and James Cleverly) have been selected and are preparing to
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> over, but the middle ranking members aren't known for sure yet. It
>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>> unlikely that many cabinet members will keep their current jobs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lets hope she keeps Ben Wallace in defense. He seems to have been one
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> better (well, less clueless) defense secretaries in recent years.
>>>>>>>> As for
>>>>>>>> the rest, it'll probably be an identikit bunch of useless sychophants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shame Tugendhat didn't get a chance to be PM but obviously didn't glad
>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>> enough people so we get another 3rd rater.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Tory leadership election has split the Tory party asunder. If Truss
>>>>>>> becomes PM and leader, which looking very likely. I think she's last
>>>>>>> about six months.  She hasn't got the calibre or  expertise to govern
>>>>>>> the country.  By Spring 2023  the Tory party will be consumed with
>>>>>>> dissent between the one nation Tories and the Thatcherites, the one
>>>>>>> nation Tories will vote with the Labour MPs for a no confidence in the
>>>>>>> government, and a general election will happen in the Spring of 2023. I
>>>>>>> can dream!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They will hang on until the last possible moment, so the next general
>>>>>> election will be in November or December 2024.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless she opts for an early election while her honeymoon lasts.
>>>>
>>>> The one with the country or the one with the party?
>>>> (No Boris, not that sort of party!)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In the absence of another
>>>>>> Falklands War, Truss's Thatcher-like policies will have proved so
>>>>>> disastrous and unpopular that they will not dare risk an early election.
>>>>>> She may even be dumped by the "Boris was Great" lobby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, Labour will fail to win that election, and Starmer will
>>>>>> also be dumped -- hopefully not to be replaced by some Corbyn-like
>>>>>> loser.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, a hung parliament would be the most likely result if the election
>>>>> is in late 2024.
>>>>
>>>> Which is another problem for Starmer as he has precipitately ruled out
>>>> taking part in a coalition.
>>>
>>> If neither Conservative nor Labour has a majority, one of them can reach
>>> the magic number by coalescing(?) with sufficient minorities. One risk
>>> is a joint Labour and SNP administration, though their intense rivalry
>>> in Scotland might save the UK from such a disaster.
>>>
>>
>> They wouldn't form a formal coalition or even have a formal agreement. But
>> there would be an informal agreement by the minor parties to support a
>> minority Labour government on key votes and not vote against it even when
>> they don't actively support a bill. In return, Labour would have to give
>> those parties some of their key demands.
>>
>
> Like May had to rely on with the DUP.
>

Yes, but I think that was a formal agreement. I don't think any of the
parties want an on-the-record formal agreement this time.