It is donkey's years since we last purchased a mattress and I had
forgotten what to look out for.

I started today with a visit to "Dreams" in Watford followed by surfing
the web. I am now more confused than ever.

How many box springs?
Are pocket box springs different?
Are micro springs better? Are they supplimental or complimentary?
How many GSM should I be looking for?

The problem is so many brands are not clear about these things.

Any sleep specialists reading this?

TIA

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On 06/01/2023 20:45, pinnerite wrote:
>
> It is donkey's years since we last purchased a mattress and I had
> forgotten what to look out for.
>
> I started today with a visit to "Dreams" in Watford followed by surfing
> the web. I am now more confused than ever.
>
> How many box springs?
> Are pocket box springs different?
> Are micro springs better? Are they supplimental or complimentary?
> How many GSM should I be looking for?
>
> The problem is so many brands are not clear about these things.
>
> Any sleep specialists reading this?
>
> TIA
>
>

Errr.... whats mattresses got to do with UK digital Television?

Unless you actually have a bed that has one of these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9j_8OyshEE

What worries me is that the online vendors like Emma etc, with their hi tech
offer a sleep on it for 60 days and if you then return it you will get a
refund. It actually never says what they do with returns, would you want a
mattress that somebody has slept on for 60 days for your bed, when its
supposed to be new.?
It is true however that most mattresses are only supposed to last 10 years.
They give often lots of goodies on line like a free pillow and a 15 year
guarantee, assuming its worth the paper its printed on. If its underwritten
by a company you know fine, but much like Double Glazing its not and if the
company dies or winds up and restarts as a new name their liability ends.
Brian

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"pinnerite" <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> It is donkey's years since we last purchased a mattress and I had
> forgotten what to look out for.
>
> I started today with a visit to "Dreams" in Watford followed by surfing
> the web. I am now more confused than ever.
>
> How many box springs?
> Are pocket box springs different?
> Are micro springs better? Are they supplimental or complimentary?
> How many GSM should I be looking for?
>
> The problem is so many brands are not clear about these things.
>
> Any sleep specialists reading this?
>
> TIA
>
>
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I believe Dreams do flog a bed with a tv in it actually.
I long remember back in the analogue tv days, connecting the aerial cable
to the bed springs worked surprisingly well.
Brian

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"SH" <i.love@spam.com> wrote in message news:tpbbke$3f404$1@dont-email.me...
> On 06/01/2023 20:45, pinnerite wrote:
>>
>> It is donkey's years since we last purchased a mattress and I had
>> forgotten what to look out for.
>>
>> I started today with a visit to "Dreams" in Watford followed by surfing
>> the web. I am now more confused than ever.
>>
>> How many box springs?
>> Are pocket box springs different?
>> Are micro springs better? Are they supplimental or complimentary?
>> How many GSM should I be looking for?
>>
>> The problem is so many brands are not clear about these things.
>>
>> Any sleep specialists reading this?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
>
>
> Errr.... whats mattresses got to do with UK digital Television?
>
> Unless you actually have a bed that has one of these:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9j_8OyshEE

On 07/01/2023 at 12:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
> What worries me is that the online vendors like Emma etc, with their hi tech
> offer a sleep on it for 60 days and if you then return it you will get a
> refund. It actually never says what they do with returns, would you want a
> mattress that somebody has slept on for 60 days for your bed, when its
> supposed to be new.?
> It is true however that most mattresses are only supposed to last 10 years.
> They give often lots of goodies on line like a free pillow and a 15 year
> guarantee, assuming its worth the paper its printed on. If its underwritten
> by a company you know fine, but much like Double Glazing its not and if the
> company dies or winds up and restarts as a new name their liability ends.
> Brian
>

In which case, depending upon budget of course, going to long
established bed manufacturers like Vi-Spring might be a good idea - I
think they offer something like a 25 or 30 year warranty. But they're
expensive.
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On 07/01/2023 12:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
> What worries me is that the online vendors like Emma etc, with their hi tech
> offer a sleep on it for 60 days and if you then return it you will get a
> refund. It actually never says what they do with returns, would you want a
> mattress that somebody has slept on for 60 days for your bed, when its
> supposed to be new.?

Refurbished mattresses

https://simbasleep.com/pages/refurbished

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On Saturday, 7 January 2023 at 08:48:15 UTC, SH wrote:
> On 06/01/2023 20:45, pinnerite wrote:
> >
> > It is donkey's years since we last purchased a mattress and I had
> > forgotten what to look out for.
> >
> > I started today with a visit to "Dreams" in Watford followed by surfing
> > the web. I am now more confused than ever.
> >
> > How many box springs?
> > Are pocket box springs different?
> > Are micro springs better? Are they supplimental or complimentary?
> > How many GSM should I be looking for?
> >
> > The problem is so many brands are not clear about these things.
> >
> > Any sleep specialists reading this?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> Errr.... whats mattresses got to do with UK digital Television?
>
> Unless you actually have a bed that has one of these:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9j_8OyshEE

Er an old fashioned one with interlinked metal springs might make a passable AM aerial...

Wasn't this how it was done in 'Allo 'Allo?

Yes assuming that they do exist, I think Emma and its likes are 15 years.
There is something about somebody elses bed though. OK I know we do this in
hotels and holiday lets etc, but still.
Brian

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"Wilf" <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote in message
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> On 07/01/2023 at 12:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> What worries me is that the online vendors like Emma etc, with their hi
>> tech
>> offer a sleep on it for 60 days and if you then return it you will get a
>> refund. It actually never says what they do with returns, would you want
>> a
>> mattress that somebody has slept on for 60 days for your bed, when its
>> supposed to be new.?
>> It is true however that most mattresses are only supposed to last 10
>> years.
>> They give often lots of goodies on line like a free pillow and a 15 year
>> guarantee, assuming its worth the paper its printed on. If its
>> underwritten
>> by a company you know fine, but much like Double Glazing its not and if
>> the
>> company dies or winds up and restarts as a new name their liability ends.
>> Brian
>>
>
> In which case, depending upon budget of course, going to long established
> bed manufacturers like Vi-Spring might be a good idea - I think they offer
> something like a 25 or 30 year warranty. But they're expensive.
> --
> Wilf
>

Hmm. Well, I'd have thought that to refurbish something like a mattress, you
might as well make a new one.

I've led a sheltered life, quite obviously. Watching some film idly the
other night I was puzzled by a term Mattress Dancing, it was not until
later on when I heard the antics of the couple that I realised it meant sex.
Ho hum.
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> On 07/01/2023 12:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> What worries me is that the online vendors like Emma etc, with their hi
>> tech
>> offer a sleep on it for 60 days and if you then return it you will get a
>> refund. It actually never says what they do with returns, would you want
>> a
>> mattress that somebody has slept on for 60 days for your bed, when its
>> supposed to be new.?
>
> Refurbished mattresses
>
> https://simbasleep.com/pages/refurbished
>
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PS who recalls the Monty Python sketch about buying a mattress. Its still
funny, even though I could not actually tell you why.
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"alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 07/01/2023 12:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> What worries me is that the online vendors like Emma etc, with their hi
>> tech
>> offer a sleep on it for 60 days and if you then return it you will get a
>> refund. It actually never says what they do with returns, would you want
>> a
>> mattress that somebody has slept on for 60 days for your bed, when its
>> supposed to be new.?
>
> Refurbished mattresses
>
> https://simbasleep.com/pages/refurbished
>
> --
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>

On 08/01/2023 12:33, Brian Gaff wrote:
> PS who recalls the Monty Python sketch about buying a mattress. Its still
> funny, even though I could not actually tell you why.

By the way a recent Greg Wallace series did a programme about how they
make them, might be on iPlayer.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 20:45:17 +0000
pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> It is donkey's years since we last purchased a mattress and I had
> forgotten what to look out for.
>
> I started today with a visit to "Dreams" in Watford followed by surfing
> the web. I am now more confused than ever.
>
> How many box springs?
> Are pocket box springs different?
> Are micro springs better? Are they supplimental or complimentary?
> How many GSM should I be looking for?
>
> The problem is so many brands are not clear about these things.
>
> Any sleep specialists reading this?
>
> TIA
>

Sorry everyone. Finger trouble. Wrong group.
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On 07/01/2023 12:44 pm, Brian Gaff wrote:

> What worries me is that the online vendors like Emma etc, with their hi tech
> offer a sleep on it for 60 days and if you then return it you will get a
> refund. It actually never says what they do with returns, would you want a
> mattress that somebody has slept on for 60 days for your bed, when its
> supposed to be new.?

Irrespective of the retail price, those foam mattresses are cheap enough
to the retailer that chucking away returns, or shredding them, is
economically attractive and is just part of the cost of the advertising
and promotion.

SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
> On 06/01/2023 20:45, pinnerite wrote:
>>
>> It is donkey's years since we last purchased a mattress and I had
>> forgotten what to look out for.
>>
>> I started today with a visit to "Dreams" in Watford followed by surfing
>> the web. I am now more confused than ever.
>>
>> How many box springs?
>> Are pocket box springs different?
>> Are micro springs better? Are they supplimental or complimentary?
>> How many GSM should I be looking for?
>>
>> The problem is so many brands are not clear about these things.
>>
>> Any sleep specialists reading this?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
>
>
> Errr.... whats mattresses got to do with UK digital Television?
>

Perhaps he wants blanket coverage.

GH

Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> What worries me is that the online vendors like Emma etc, with their hi tech
> offer a sleep on it for 60 days and if you then return it you will get a
> refund. It actually never says what they do with returns, would you want a
> mattress that somebody has slept on for 60 days for your bed, when its
> supposed to be new.?

I believe some just sell them on to resellers who sell them at much reduced
prices as returns.
Would not be surprised if many airbnb or similar small guest house or
hotels find them bargains

After all you can be pretty sure that most such places will be using
mattresses far older than 60 days
and used by multiple people some by the law of averages are going to be a
bit grubby or leak a bit.

GH

> It is true however that most mattresses are only supposed to last 10 years.
> They give often lots of goodies on line like a free pillow and a 15 year
> guarantee, assuming its worth the paper its printed on. If its underwritten
> by a company you know fine, but much like Double Glazing its not and if the
> company dies or winds up and restarts as a new name their liability ends.
> Brian
>

"pinnerite" <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote in message news:20230106204517.d4564cb4c94fe2a626ad1f6e@gmail.com...
>
> It is donkey's years since we last purchased a mattress and I had
> forgotten what to look out for.
>
> I started today with a visit to "Dreams" in Watford followed by surfing
> the web. I am now more confused than ever.
>
> How many box springs?
> Are pocket box springs different?
> Are micro springs better? Are they supplimental or complimentary?
> How many GSM should I be looking for?
>
> The problem is so many brands are not clear about these things.
>
> Any sleep specialists reading this?

Basically most of the 'features' are gimmiks and these mattresses
are horrible to sleep on. Many will also stink of latex etc.

Go to Ikea instead and you'll get a perfectly decent "normal" mattress
for far less money.

In my opinion.

On 08/01/2023 12:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Yes assuming that they do exist, I think Emma and its likes are 15 years.

But read carefully the T&C of some mattress guarantees.

Full replacement or money back in the first or maybe the second year if
faulty.

In subsequent years it's a diminishing value credit note off their
RECOMMENDED selling price when you buy it direct from them at full
price. In year 3 a 50% off credit note to purchase from them based on
their full price is somewhat valueless if everywhere else has already
discounted it to half price! In year 15 the credit note is likely to be
5% off.

Why do you think that they keep repeating these adverts telling you that
the mattress is worth £500 but for the past couple of years it's always
been on offer at £250.

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