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Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw

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by: martin.c...@round-midnight.org.uk - Fri, 2 Sep 2022 16:34 UTC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-62767793

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From: rai...@greystane.shetland.co.uk (ColinR)
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by: ColinR - Sat, 3 Sep 2022 11:46 UTC

On 02/09/2022 17:34, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-62767793

Just out of interest, would the line have been closed in the days of
steam traction? Rails only just below the water.

--
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by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sat, 3 Sep 2022 13:07 UTC

ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
> On 02/09/2022 17:34, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-62767793
>
> Just out of interest, would the line have been closed in the days of
> steam traction? Rails only just below the water.
>

Running water carries the risk of dislodging ballast, unseen below the
water.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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by: ColinR - Sat, 3 Sep 2022 16:40 UTC

On 03/09/2022 14:07, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 02/09/2022 17:34, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-62767793
>>
>> Just out of interest, would the line have been closed in the days of
>> steam traction? Rails only just below the water.
>>
>
> Running water carries the risk of dislodging ballast, unseen below the
> water.
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>

Agreed. But not always taken into account! Apologies about the long
links, but they work for me.

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From: rai...@greystane.shetland.co.uk (ColinR)
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by: ColinR - Sat, 3 Sep 2022 16:43 UTC

On 03/09/2022 17:40, ColinR wrote:
> On 03/09/2022 14:07, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 02/09/2022 17:34, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-62767793
>>>
>>> Just out of interest, would the line have been closed in the days of
>>> steam traction? Rails only just below the water.
>>>
>>
>> Running water carries the risk of dislodging ballast, unseen below the
>> water.
>>
>>
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>
>
> Agreed. But not always taken into account! Apologies about the long
> links, but they work for me.
>
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Fist not sure about, second link is Kirkintilloch, third is Nottingham
and fourth no idea but certainly ex-GWR territory!

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by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sat, 3 Sep 2022 17:26 UTC

ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
> On 03/09/2022 14:07, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 02/09/2022 17:34, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-62767793
>>>
>>> Just out of interest, would the line have been closed in the days of
>>> steam traction? Rails only just below the water.
>>>
>>
>> Running water carries the risk of dislodging ballast, unseen below the
>> water.
>>
>
> Agreed. But not always taken into account! Apologies about the long
> links, but they work for me.
>
> https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Q6PNegdCnY1YgYqO6w1smgHaEc%26pid%3DApi&f=1
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>

Trains not being able to run when there is flowing water which may dislodge
ballast, has been in the rule book since at least 1998, but presumably not
since 1968 ;)

Remember that almost every rule in the book was added after someone did the
opposite and something bad happened. So presumably there's an example of a
derailment due to running water dislodging ballast, after which the rule
was changed.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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by: ColinR - Sat, 3 Sep 2022 21:46 UTC

On 03/09/2022 18:26, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 03/09/2022 14:07, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 02/09/2022 17:34, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-62767793
>>>>
>>>> Just out of interest, would the line have been closed in the days of
>>>> steam traction? Rails only just below the water.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Running water carries the risk of dislodging ballast, unseen below the
>>> water.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed. But not always taken into account! Apologies about the long
>> links, but they work for me.
>>
>> https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Q6PNegdCnY1YgYqO6w1smgHaEc%26pid%3DApi&f=1
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>>
>
> Trains not being able to run when there is flowing water which may dislodge
> ballast, has been in the rule book since at least 1998, but presumably not
> since 1968 ;)
>
> Remember that almost every rule in the book was added after someone did the
> opposite and something bad happened. So presumably there's an example of a
> derailment due to running water dislodging ballast, after which the rule
> was changed.
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>

Noted, and am sure you are correct. However, ballast is surely not the
only problem but electrickery and water do not mix. In those days much
signalling will have been mechanical so less of a problem, although I
know that pneumatic and electrical points were in existence in the 30s.
These days I suspect that signalling, track circuits, axle counters etc
would be problematic!

--
Colin

Think honk if you're a telepath.

aus+uk / uk.railway / Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw

Subject	Author
Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw	martin.coffee
Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw	ColinR
Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw	Anna Noyd-Dryver
Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw	ColinR
Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw	ColinR
Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw	Anna Noyd-Dryver
Drone footage shows extent of railway flooding in Audenshaw	ColinR