"MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:trak3m$3o34p$2@dont-email.me...
> On 31/01/2023 00:18, Owen Rees wrote:
>> It works for 9 as well.
>
> Dividing by nine is much less common than dividing by three.

In general, in a set of numbers [a..b], there will always be fewer numbers
divisible by a larger denominator than by a smaller one - so you'd expect
divisible-by-nine (or divisible by 10, 12, 15, 27 or whatever) to be less
common than divisible-by-3 (or 2 or 5, etc).

On 31/01/2023 09:53, Davey wrote:
> What does Argos charge for one of these?

This one is £16

Argos Home Radio Controlled Wall Clock - Mustard 811/2945

On 31/01/2023 11:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
> Not in my experience with two wall-display digital clock/calendars, nor
> with three temperature and clock/calendar display desk and
> weather-station consoles. None of those have ever had an issue with the
> time display.
>
> I have had, and continue to have, infrequent problems with my Junghans
> watch. About once a year it seems to receive an interfering signal from
> somewhere instead of that from DCF77. It then requires a manual reset,
> although I've never left it for 24 hours to see if it resets itself
> automatically at 0200/0300. Strangely, it has never failed to make the
> automatic adjustment correctly when the clocks go forward or back one hour.

The previous digital display ones I had from Argos - one would not
switch from Berlin Time but the others have been fine.

I had a couple of other clocks fail so I bought a "Precision" one from
Argos, it will run off battery but not a very bright display but when
plugged into the main is a bright display that is very readable at night.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:53:18 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:19:59 +0000
>Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:58:44 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 30/01/2023 13:26, NY wrote:
>> >> Just as (apparently) a lot of children these days cannot tell the
>> >> time using an analogue clock/watch, because they are so used to
>> >> times being displayed as 12:34. I find an analogue clock better
>> >> for telling the approximate time at a very quick glance "it's
>> >> about half past 12" but digital much better for giving an exact
>> >> time without the need for counting minute-divisions. And if the
>> >> analogue clock face only has 5-minute / hour marks then you have
>> >> to interpolate which is a right faff: "is the minute hand closer
>> >> to the 4 or the 5 - is it 22 minutes or 23 minutes past the hour?"
>> >> Easy enough - but slower than reading digits.
>> >
>> >
>> >I used to have some cheap Argos radio-controlled alarm clocks,
>> >digital display of course.
>> >
>> >But a few years ago I bought radio-controlled clocks with analogue
>> >displays and have one in every room.
>>
>> I recently discovered that Argos also sell cheap radio controlled wall
>> clocks with large "analogue" dial displays (about 30cm) so I got one,
>> to add to the Eurochron clock I've had for many years. Now I have two
>> radio controlled dial clocks, one upstairs and one downstairs.
>>
>> Rod.
>
>What does Argos charge for one of these?

Here's the one I got-

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8112945?clickSR=slp:term:radio%20controlled%20clock:9:13:1

It cost £16. They also have them in white or grey for £2 more, but I
like the yellow one.

Amazon also have a selection in various styles from £14. If you want
one with a red border, there's this-

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acctim-74314-Parona-Controlled-Diameter/dp/B01B7PDQD4/ref=sr_1_24?crid=2XZ39CVYWY3KO&keywords=radio+controlled+clock&qid=1675171706&sprefix=radio+controlled+clock%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-24

It's slightly smaller than the Argos yellow one, but I got one for my
daughter as a housewarming present and it looks nice in their kitchen.

Rod.

On 31/01/2023 13:32, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> Amazon also have a selection in various styles from £14. If you want
> one with a red border, there's this-

The ticking is quite loud on some, I had to take the battery out of one
when a young kid was staying here but does not bother me.

There is no logic - one will have a loud tick and another will be quiet.

NY wrote:

> Tesco misinterpreted the law and thought that loose items (eg sliced
> ham, or cheese) could *only* be sold by the gramme, and that it was
> illegal for them to respond to a request for "a quarter [pound] of
> double gloucester".

They've solved the problem by closing the food counters, so you have to
buy in standard quantities.

On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 08:09:01 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> NY wrote:
>
> > Tesco misinterpreted the law and thought that loose items (eg
> > sliced ham, or cheese) could *only* be sold by the gramme, and that
> > it was illegal for them to respond to a request for "a quarter
> > [pound] of double gloucester".
>
> They've solved the problem by closing the food counters, so you have
> to buy in standard quantities.

Our local Tesco's reduced the size of the deli counter, and increased
the size of the pizza area. Oh dear. But they did open a salad bar,
but then closed the olive bar, making them only available in
pre-packed pots.
--
Davey.

"Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:trfubj$q79m$1@dont-email.me...
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 08:09:01 +0000
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> NY wrote:
>>
>> > Tesco misinterpreted the law and thought that loose items (eg
>> > sliced ham, or cheese) could *only* be sold by the gramme, and that
>> > it was illegal for them to respond to a request for "a quarter
>> > [pound] of double gloucester".
>>
>> They've solved the problem by closing the food counters, so you have
>> to buy in standard quantities.
>
> Our local Tesco's reduced the size of the deli counter, and increased
> the size of the pizza area. Oh dear. But they did open a salad bar,
> but then closed the olive bar, making them only available in
> pre-packed pots.

Just announced:

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tesco-close-counters-hot-delis-8093137

"Tesco said it will shake-up its shop management roles and shut remaining
counters and hot delis in an overhaul which will impact around 2,100 jobs."

I wonder how long it will be before they close the in-store bakeries.
Tesco's tiger bread (baked in-store, when the machinery isn't broken or
being upgraded!) is considerably better than any pre-packed loaf.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 13:33:24 +0000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 29/01/2023 13:19, Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 12:20:44 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> "David Woolley" <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:tr48bn$2do35$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 28/01/2023 17:01, Woody wrote:
>>>>> Er, I think that should be 1013mb as normal atmospheric pressure? Your
>>>>> maths works though even if the figure was wrong!
>>>>
>>>> The display says 103 Mb, not 1013 Mb, or even the plausible 1013 mb. The
>>>> programmer for that app clearly had no understanding of units and
>>>> multipliers. I assume it is trying to display 103 cb, not that anyone
>>>> uses centi with bars.
>>>
>>> No, normal engineering and scientific practice is to use powers of 1000. So
>>> u (10^-6), m (10^-3), k (10^3), M (10^6) etc, but da (deca: 10), h (hecto:
>>> 100), c (centi: 10^-2), d (deci:10^-1) etc are deprecated - apart from
>>> centimetres which are "allowed" because the centimetre is a convenient
>>> measurement, and avoids "human sized objects" have to be large numbers of
>>> millimetres.
>>>
>>> That's one of the reasons that car rev counters changed from displaying 10,
>>> 20, 30 x 100 rpm to 1, 2, 3 x 1000 rpm. The other maybe even stronger reason
>>> was that is avoids two gauges with similar ranges of numbers (rev counter
>>> and speedometer). Odd that it took them so long to implement the change. I
>>> *think* my Mark 3 Golf (1993) was the last car I had with a x100 rev
>>> counter.
>>
>> My weather station (made in China) gets its time from Germany ( I think)
>> pressure is "1033 mb hPa"
>
>Is that because it's easier to state both (as 1mb = 1hPa) than try to
>program it to show one or the other?!

Perhaps. Maybe it can be selected, by trial and error.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 13:49:05 +0000, David Woolley
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:

>On 29/01/2023 13:19, Martin wrote:
>> My weather station (made in China) gets its time from Germany ( I think)
>> pressure is "1033 mb hPa"
>
>That's probably locally measured, rather than from Germany; the TV
>weather app will be using the internet.

The weather symbol is almost always wrong. I assume it gets that from elsewhere.
It's the time that it gets from Germany. The temperatures and pressure are
consistent with info from an online Dutch lifeboat station about 10 km away. The
weather station included three external remote sensors. The sensors are
compatible with an old weather station with a broken external sensor although
the stations are a different make.

>
>mb and hPa are different ways of saying the same thing! It should only
>show one. hPa breaks the rule about only using integral powers of 1,000
>as multipliers, as h means a factor of 100.
>
>(I presume mb were invented on the basis of mean atmospheric pressure
>being close to a power of ten times the standard, Pascal, unit of
>pressure, so scaling that by powers of 10 to make 1 atmosphere
>approximately 1 bar.)
>
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 23:08:07 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:02:39 +0000
>NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> but OS maps have metric contours and spot heights,
>
>Oh for the days when they were in Imperial feet and yards and miles, as
>God intended them to be!

You mean nautical miles :-)

One minute of latitude is defined as one nautical mile (1 naut. mile or 1 nm,
equivalent to 1.582 km), so one degree (1°) of latitude corresponds to 60
nautical miles or approximately 111 km.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

On 03/02/2023 11:29, Martin wrote:
> The weather symbol is almost always wrong. I assume it gets that from elsewhere.
> It's the time that it gets from Germany. The temperatures and pressure are
> consistent with info from an online Dutch lifeboat station about 10 km away. The
> weather station included three external remote sensors. The sensors are
> compatible with an old weather station with a broken external sensor although
> the stations are a different make.

You have to be wary of the source. Some years ago I could not
understand why online weather forecasts (not Met Office ones) always
much colder that i expected. Then realised they were taking data from
the local ski resort who have a weather station at over 2000 ft (and
possibly one even higher).

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 10:39:23 +0000 (GMT), charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article <tr85ef$389db$2@dont-email.me>,
> Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 09:54:13 -0000 (UTC)
>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>> > On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 09:24:43 -0000
>> > "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> > >"Davey" <davey@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> > >news:tr6u8n$2vb8q$2@dont-email.me...
>> > >> On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:02:39 +0000
>> > >> NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> but OS maps have metric contours and spot heights,
>> > >>
>> > >> Oh for the days when they were in Imperial feet and yards and
>> > >> miles, as God intended them to be!
>> > >
>> > >If only God had either given us 12 fingers (so we would learn to
>> > >count in base 12 for everything) or else had devised a measurement
>> > >system which consistently used base 10 (since that's the base we
>> > >learn to count in).
>> >
>> > 10 can be divided by 1,2 and 5.
>> > 12 can be divided by 1,2,3,4 and 6.
>> >
>> > This is the reason a lot of things came in 12s - easier to divide into
>> > whole numbers. It wasn't done just because someone liked the number
>> > 12.
>> >
>
>> An old engineer colleague of mine described the introduction of the
>> metric system as 'metrifucktion'.
>> Mind you, he would also draw a set of cock and balls on any memo he
>> disagreed with, and then return it to the originator.
>
>> Those were the days....
>
>I had a rubber stamp which said "BULLSHIT"

Me too.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

NY wrote:

> I wonder how long it will be before they close the in-store bakeries.
> Tesco's tiger bread (baked in-store, when the machinery isn't broken or
> being upgraded!) is considerably better than any pre-packed loaf.

Yes, I prefer tesco ISB loaves to other supermarket loaves, cuts better,
toasts better and seems to last a day or so longer ... but the machinery
can be out of action quite often.

On 03/02/2023 20:56, Andy Burns wrote:
> NY wrote:
>
>> I wonder how long it will be before they close the in-store bakeries.
>> Tesco's tiger bread (baked in-store, when the machinery isn't broken
>> or being upgraded!) is considerably better than any pre-packed loaf.
>
> Yes, I prefer tesco ISB loaves to other supermarket loaves, cuts better,
> toasts better and seems to last a day or so longer ... but the machinery
> can be out of action quite often.

Interesting as well that two different stores a few miles apart produce
very different tiger loaves from presumably the same dough mixture and
cooking instructions. Maybe one oven is hotter than the other. Driffield
tiger bread is much softer and moister than Bridlington tiger bread
which can be dry right from day 1, and yet both are from Tesco. But it's
hit and miss whether the Driffield ISB is baking any bread that day, or
whether there is equipment fault, upgrading of equipment or they've run
out of the special paste which gives the tiger effect. About one trip in
four I return empty-handed :-( Actually "tiger" is a misnomer: the
bread is dappled like a giraffe, not striped like tiger.

On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 01:08:54 +0000
NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>On 03/02/2023 20:56, Andy Burns wrote:
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder how long it will be before they close the in-store bakeries.
>>> Tesco's tiger bread (baked in-store, when the machinery isn't broken
>>> or being upgraded!) is considerably better than any pre-packed loaf.
>>
>> Yes, I prefer tesco ISB loaves to other supermarket loaves, cuts better,
>> toasts better and seems to last a day or so longer ... but the machinery
>> can be out of action quite often.
>
>Interesting as well that two different stores a few miles apart produce
>very different tiger loaves from presumably the same dough mixture and
>cooking instructions. Maybe one oven is hotter than the other. Driffield
>tiger bread is much softer and moister than Bridlington tiger bread
>which can be dry right from day 1, and yet both are from Tesco. But it's
>hit and miss whether the Driffield ISB is baking any bread that day, or
>whether there is equipment fault, upgrading of equipment or they've run
>out of the special paste which gives the tiger effect. About one trip in
>four I return empty-handed :-( Actually "tiger" is a misnomer: the
>bread is dappled like a giraffe, not striped like tiger.

Tiger bread is just ordinary bread with some kind of browning agent - probably
sugar solution - painted on top.

Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

> Tiger bread is just ordinary bread with some kind of browning agent - probably
> sugar solution - painted on top.

wikilies suggests rice paste, but tescos ingredients doesn't list that.