On 07/09/2022 17:08, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 15:14:34 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

>> Obama’s line was that all politicians lie, but it used to be that when they
>> were found out they would at least apologise and might have to resign.
>> These days (and IIRC this was during The Rise Of Trump) he noted that, when
>> caught, people just shrugged it off and carried on.
>>
>> Sam
>
> Don't forget Thatcher and the sinking of the Belgrano.

It was a lie, and it's still floating around somewhere?

When I was kid we were always being told that Thatcher's fascist
military junta sank it to start a war so she could steal some islands
from freedom-loving South American corned beef mongers (when she wasn't
starving the Irish to death), but even without Google we were able to
figure out the chronology seemed off.

--
Arthur Figgis

On 07/09/2022 18:24, Arthur Figgis wrote:
> On 07/09/2022 17:08, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 15:14:34 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>> Obama’s line was that all politicians lie, but it used to be that
>>> when they
>>> were found out they would at least apologise and might have to resign.
>>> These days (and IIRC this was during The Rise Of Trump) he noted
>>> that, when
>>> caught, people just shrugged it off and carried on.
>>>
>>> Sam
>>
>> Don't forget Thatcher and the sinking of the Belgrano.
>
> It was a lie, and it's still floating around somewhere?
>
> When I was kid we were always being told that Thatcher's fascist
> military junta sank it to start a war so she could steal some islands
> from freedom-loving South American corned beef mongers (when she wasn't
> starving the Irish to death), but even without Google we were able to
> figure out the chronology seemed off.
>

Roughly that, yes, give or take…

--
Graeme Wall
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 12:28:21 +0100, Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 12:24:36 +0100, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 10:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>><ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 06:19:40 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> [1] Very few will I suspect order a full gigabit, as 100MB is probably
>>>>>> enough for most domestic users.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Probably enough for the average family never mind the average user.
>>>>> Mine is running at about 18 GB and doesn't keep me waiting.
>>>>
>>>> 18 Gbps would be enough for a large business or residential neighbourhood
>>>> full of game-playing teenagers, not one person!
>>>
>>>Smiling gently at the obvious typo, I can say that before I retired 2.5
>>>years ago, 10 Gbps was just about enough for a University with a combined
>>>staff and student population of about 50,000. Upgrades were being planned
>>>as I left.
>>>
>>Not just a typo but the wrong reading. It should have been 14 MB. :-(
>>The wrong un' was actually 18.5GB received in 9 days; about 2G/day (or
>>~700kB/s)
>
>As you used to be in that business, perhaps you could use the right units? I assume you mean 14Mbps? That's a rather
>low figure for FTTC.
>
When I was "in that business" there were only two transistorised
devices that I dealt with and the most bps that any equipment used was
1200.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 14:50:55 +0100, Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 14:16:19 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <010hhh93ijkv4qicag4usru3c5r9m7asti@4ax.com>, at 12:28:21 on
>>Wed, 7 Sep 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 12:24:36 +0100, Charles Ellson
>>><charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 10:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>><ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 06:19:40 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> [1] Very few will I suspect order a full gigabit, as 100MB is probably
>>>>>>>> enough for most domestic users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably enough for the average family never mind the average user.
>>>>>>> Mine is running at about 18 GB and doesn't keep me waiting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 18 Gbps would be enough for a large business or residential neighbourhood
>>>>>> full of game-playing teenagers, not one person!
>>>>>
>>>>>Smiling gently at the obvious typo, I can say that before I retired 2.5
>>>>>years ago, 10 Gbps was just about enough for a University with a combined
>>>>>staff and student population of about 50,000. Upgrades were being planned
>>>>>as I left.
>>>>>
>>>>Not just a typo but the wrong reading. It should have been 14 MB. :-(
>>>>The wrong un' was actually 18.5GB received in 9 days; about 2G/day (or
>>>>~700kB/s)
>>
>>My provider unhelpfully says my average usage [almost all
>>streaming Netflix et al] is 230GB, without specifying whether
>>that's per day/month/haystack-fortnight.
>>
>>Finger in the air, if those streaming services require 4Mbps, which is
>>30 Megabytes a minute, 1800 an hour and perhaps four hours a day thus
>>seven Gigabytes a day - probably a monthly total.
>>
>>>As you used to be in that business, perhaps you could use the right
>>>units? I assume you mean 14Mbps? That's a rather low figure for FTTC.
>>
>>Not if he's 1.5km from the cabinet.
>>
>>https://www.thinkbroadband.com/guides/fibre-fttc-ftth-broadband-guide
>
>I'd expect Openreach FTTC cabinets to be more densely situated in Kenton.
>
100yds from the cabinet and no fibre involved.

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 14:50:55 +0100, Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 14:16:19 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <010hhh93ijkv4qicag4usru3c5r9m7asti@4ax.com>, at 12:28:21 on
>>> Wed, 7 Sep 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 12:24:36 +0100, Charles Ellson
>>>> <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 10:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 06:19:40 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> [1] Very few will I suspect order a full gigabit, as 100MB is probably
>>>>>>>>> enough for most domestic users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably enough for the average family never mind the average user.
>>>>>>>> Mine is running at about 18 GB and doesn't keep me waiting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 18 Gbps would be enough for a large business or residential neighbourhood
>>>>>>> full of game-playing teenagers, not one person!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smiling gently at the obvious typo, I can say that before I retired 2.5
>>>>>> years ago, 10 Gbps was just about enough for a University with a combined
>>>>>> staff and student population of about 50,000. Upgrades were being planned
>>>>>> as I left.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not just a typo but the wrong reading. It should have been 14 MB. :-(
>>>>> The wrong un' was actually 18.5GB received in 9 days; about 2G/day (or
>>>>> ~700kB/s)
>>>
>>> My provider unhelpfully says my average usage [almost all
>>> streaming Netflix et al] is 230GB, without specifying whether
>>> that's per day/month/haystack-fortnight.
>>>
>>> Finger in the air, if those streaming services require 4Mbps, which is
>>> 30 Megabytes a minute, 1800 an hour and perhaps four hours a day thus
>>> seven Gigabytes a day - probably a monthly total.
>>>
>>>> As you used to be in that business, perhaps you could use the right
>>>> units? I assume you mean 14Mbps? That's a rather low figure for FTTC.
>>>
>>> Not if he's 1.5km from the cabinet.
>>>
>>> https://www.thinkbroadband.com/guides/fibre-fttc-ftth-broadband-guide
>>
>> I'd expect Openreach FTTC cabinets to be more densely situated in Kenton.
>>
> 100yds from the cabinet and no fibre involved.
>

Ah, right, an old-fashioned ADSL connection. But not for much longer…