https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60785754

1) Accepting neutrality
2) Not joining NATO
3) Disarmament
4) Protection for the Russian language
5) De-Nazification
6) Independence for eastern territories
7) Recognition that Crimea is Russian territory

None of that should be difficult to accept.

1 and 2 have already been conceded by Zelensky. NATO doesn't want Ukraine as a member and were only stringing Ukraine along when they said they did. Most Ukrainians understand that now as they are relentlessly bombed while NATO stands on the sidelines leaving them to be slaughtered.

3 would be acceptable so far as it goes to ending the existential threat to Russia, and 1 and 2 mostly secures that.

4 and 5 would only be a problem to Nazis and fascists and Ukraine says there are none.

6 and 7 only requires Ukraine to accept they have already lost those lands and eight years of internal war hasn't won them back and never will.

So easy - It could all be ended tomorrow.

Except those Nazis and fascists do exist and are a real problem. Zelensky may not himself be either, but plenty in his government and military are.

So de-Nazification is going to be the tough one to pull off. The fascists will resist having the Russian language protected, will be against giving up Crimea, and more so surrendering the eastern territory.

It's a funny old world. For Zelensky, resolving the current conflict isn't so much a challenge of convincing Russia to withdraw, but cancelling Ukrainian fascists who won't let him do what is required to secure the Russian withdrawal.

They won't like Zelensky throwing them under the bus, will resist that, may even rise against him, declare him an enemy of the people as fascists are inclined to do.

Zelensky may find he has civil war on his hands as well as Russia's incursion.

And if that happens, if fascists are the obstacle preventing peace being secured, what then does NATO do ?

Continue to stand on the sidelines, support Zelensky and help him eradicate the fascists, or support the fascists in defeating Zelensky ?

And what does Zelensky do ? Tell Putin he can have it all, but he'll have to come in and help him rid his country of Nazis and fascists ?

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60785754
>
> 1) Accepting neutrality
> 2) Not joining NATO
> 3) Disarmament
> 4) Protection for the Russian language
> 5) De-Nazification
> 6) Independence for eastern territories
> 7) Recognition that Crimea is Russian territory

Written on toilet paper, same ultimatum they tried last week with even
more demands. Such a cheap propaganda ploy that it isn't even making the
news here.

Might be different if the Soviets were in a position of strength which
they are not. Mad Vlad would need control of Kiev with a puppet
government installed to accept such ridiculous terms [which of course
you, to no ones surprise, would accept in a second like a good ball licker]

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:41:17 -0400
JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:

> The Happy Hippy wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60785754
> >
> > 1) Accepting neutrality
> > 2) Not joining NATO
> > 3) Disarmament
> > 4) Protection for the Russian language
> > 5) De-Nazification
> > 6) Independence for eastern territories
> > 7) Recognition that Crimea is Russian territory
>
> Written on toilet paper

Regardless; those are his demands on Ukraine to secure an end to the conflict..

> same ultimatum they tried last week with
> even more demands. Such a cheap propaganda ploy that it isn't even
> making the news here.
>
> Might be different if the Soviets were in a position of strength
> which they are not.

Yet NATO, our government, opposition parties, Biden et al, are still confirming and reiterating that we will just stand back even if Russia nukes Ukraine into oblivion, and we've told Putin and Russians that.

We gave him that position of strength; he knows he can do anything he wants and we will stand back, let him get away with it.

If Ukraine doesn't cave, doesn't surrender, NATO, the US, the UK, are quite happy to let Ukraine disappear off the face of the earth, and we don't particularly want any Ukrainians who survive coming here either.

If Ukraine doesn't give Putin what he wants he will just take it, and we'll stand on the sidelines while he does.

One's especially gotta love "De-Nazification". You see, boys and girls? He
brutally invades a peaceful nation, and demands -- what exactly? Clearly,
he's using the well known post-WW2 term, in order to gain sympathy points.
Only HE is the invader, he is the one who initiated the war.

It's even more amusing, if you consider that the nation he invaded, in 2019,
elected a Jewish President, and by a huge margin; such "Nazis", eh? (pity for
this guy BTW -- Putin has murdered people who have far less annoyed him; I
don't think Zelensky has many years left, regardless of how the war ends).

As everyone here who bothers to read my posts knows, I utterly despise Nazism
and its followers.

Still, by what right can Putin demand this? Are there neo-Nazis in the Ukraine?
Of course there are some, as in Russia itself, Poland, Germany, the UK, the US...
so what's bloody next? Maybe Germany will invade Poland, and demand to De-Nazifi
it?

The idea is, possibly, to demand something that can never be met; he will
always be able to claim that there are still "Nazis" in the Ukraine.

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:41:17 -0400
> JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:
>
>> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60785754
>>>
>>> 1) Accepting neutrality
>>> 2) Not joining NATO
>>> 3) Disarmament
>>> 4) Protection for the Russian language
>>> 5) De-Nazification
>>> 6) Independence for eastern territories
>>> 7) Recognition that Crimea is Russian territory
>>
>> Written on toilet paper
>
> Regardless; those are his demands on Ukraine to secure an end to the conflict..

They are a sad, sad joke not meant to be taken seriously by anyone
outside of his propaganda network.
When/if he captures Kiev and installs a puppet government then the
puppets of course will agree to those terms and then some, problem for
putin is no one else on the entire planet will pay any heed to the
commie farce and he'll only dig himself deeper into the mire.

Now, if he is just starting off ludicrously high and will bargain down
to just 1 & 2 and possibly 4 as a ego sop for the bald baby killer, he
would be taken seriously.

>
>
>> same ultimatum they tried last week with
>> even more demands. Such a cheap propaganda ploy that it isn't even
>> making the news here.
>>
>> Might be different if the Soviets were in a position of strength
>> which they are not.
>
> Yet NATO, our government, opposition parties, Biden et al, are still confirming and reiterating that we will just stand back even if Russia nukes Ukraine into oblivion, and we've told Putin and Russians that.

I got into that the other day which you just completely snipped and went
on a tangent about something else, am not going to have a 1 way convo.

Nukes in Ukraine [and elsewhere] are possible which I have been saying
for weeks, seems to only confirm that we are dealing with a butthurt,
weak madman.

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Loose Cannon wrote:
> One's especially gotta love "De-Nazification". You see, boys and girls? He
> brutally invades a peaceful nation, and demands -- what exactly? Clearly,
> he's using the well known post-WW2 term, in order to gain sympathy points.
> Only HE is the invader, he is the one who initiated the war.
>
> It's even more amusing, if you consider that the nation he invaded, in 2019,
> elected a Jewish President, and by a huge margin; such "Nazis", eh? (pity for
> this guy BTW -- Putin has murdered people who have far less annoyed him; I
> don't think Zelensky has many years left, regardless of how the war ends).
>
> As everyone here who bothers to read my posts knows, I utterly despise Nazism
> and its followers.
>
> Still, by what right can Putin demand this? Are there neo-Nazis in the Ukraine?
> Of course there are some, as in Russia itself, Poland, Germany, the UK, the US...
> so what's bloody next? Maybe Germany will invade Poland, and demand to De-Nazifi
> it?
>
> The idea is, possibly, to demand something that can never be met; he will
> always be able to claim that there are still "Nazis" in the Ukraine.
>

He originally called Ukrainian leadership "neo-Nazi drug addicts", looks
like he dropped the drug addict part - That was a lie.

He said for months that these were just maneuvers, had no intention to
invade and anyone who said otherwise was just anti-Russian scum - HE LIED

Said Ukraine was planning to attack Russia - HE LIED

He said he was there to liberate them then started shelling them - HE LIED

Said Russian forces would never target civilians, then bombed apartment
buildings, hospitals and even limping civilians including seniors and
babies trying to get to safety - HE LIED

Said 2 weeks in that everything was going according to plan - HE LIED

Anyone notice any patterns here ??

True, this is war, truth must be wrapped in a bodyguard of lies, all
sides do it ect sure, but commies as is well known take lying to an art
form and have no earthly bounds of hypocrisy.

I think its apparent at this point that his biggest idols from the past
are Stalin and Hitler, not necessarily in that order, maybe a little Mao
mixed in.
His disparaging talk about Nazis is pure projection, he no doubt admires
ruthless killers and ultra aggressive, land grabbing bully dictators and
conducts himself accordingly, and no doubt pops a Viagra induced boner
thinking about having access to far more destructive weaponry than any
of those illustrious despots.

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 22:26:01 -0400
JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:

> The Happy Hippy wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:41:17 -0400
> > JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The Happy Hippy wrote:
> >>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60785754
> >>>
> >>> 1) Accepting neutrality
> >>> 2) Not joining NATO
> >>> 3) Disarmament
> >>> 4) Protection for the Russian language
> >>> 5) De-Nazification
> >>> 6) Independence for eastern territories
> >>> 7) Recognition that Crimea is Russian territory
> >>
> >> Written on toilet paper
> >
> > Regardless; those are his demands on Ukraine to secure an end to
> > the conflict..
>
> They are a sad, sad joke not meant to be taken seriously by anyone
> outside of his propaganda network.

They are exactly what he wants, would allow him to withdraw from Ukraine.

Putin is either given them and Ukraine get her independence back or or will take them by making Ukraine Russian territory.

It's hard to say which NATO would prefer. They wanted that DMZ between themselves and Russia as much as Putin does, which is why they have never allowed Ukraine to actually join NATO. Giving Putin what he wants on the basis of withdrawal gets that back, reduces the potential for European and World War.

On the other hand they have had a policy shift towards destroying Russia, with China next. Russia taking Ukraine will put NATO troops on Russia's border which has its advantages.

But also huge disadvantages if they want to crush Russia using soft power, rather than militarily, which is what they seem to want.

My feeling is NATO wants Ukraine to capitulate, and then we really tighten the screws on sanctions and isolating Russia.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 23:03:49 +0000 (UTC)
Loose Cannon <efbreg73@gmx-x.comm> wrote:

> One's especially gotta love "De-Nazification". You see, boys and
> girls? He brutally invades a peaceful nation

A "peaceful nation" ?

Ukrainians in the west have been at war with Ukrainians in the east for eight years.

> It's even more amusing, if you consider that the nation he invaded,
> in 2019, elected a Jewish President, and by a huge margin; such
> "Nazis", eh?

Yes, the fascists lost that election, saw Poroshenko defeated by Zelensky, but it doesn't mean they went away. They make up a significant minority of the population and still exert power.

Zelensky himself may not be a Nazi but he has had to tolerate fascism in order to retain his position, stop them rising up and overthrowing him.

The ongoing war in the east is perhaps the best example of that. Zelensky may be inclined to grant them independence or autonomy but the fascists won't stand for that so he accepts the war goes on to keep those fascists on-side.

Besides, being Jewish doesn't preclude being fascistic, and Nazism, National Socialism, encompasses more than being "anti-Jewish". Which is why some have accused Israel of being 'a Nazi state', as shortform for the supremacism they say they believes in.

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 22:26:01 -0400
> JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:
>
>> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:41:17 -0400
>>> JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Happy Hippy wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60785754
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Accepting neutrality
>>>>> 2) Not joining NATO
>>>>> 3) Disarmament
>>>>> 4) Protection for the Russian language
>>>>> 5) De-Nazification
>>>>> 6) Independence for eastern territories
>>>>> 7) Recognition that Crimea is Russian territory
>>>>
>>>> Written on toilet paper
>>>
>>> Regardless; those are his demands on Ukraine to secure an end to
>>> the conflict..
>>
>> They are a sad, sad joke not meant to be taken seriously by anyone
>> outside of his propaganda network.
>
> They are exactly what he wants, would allow him to withdraw from Ukraine.
>
> Putin is either given them and Ukraine get her independence back or or will take them by making Ukraine Russian territory.
>
Become a spokesman for putin have you ?
No one is ever going to accept a Vichy Ukraine, least of all Ukranians,
and Russia will bleed white trying.

Putin has got to go, face it.

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:53:07 -0400
JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:

> Putin has got to go, face it.

Become a spokesman for the world have you ?

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:53:07 -0400
> JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:
>
>> Putin has got to go, face it.
>
> Become a spokesman for the world have you ?
>
In fact, I have.
A vast majority outside of syria, belarus and china share my opinion.

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

On 18/03/2022 23:03, Loose Cannon wrote:
> One's especially gotta love "De-Nazification". You see, boys and girls? He
> brutally invades a peaceful nation,

Erm - That is not entirely true. And, I start by saying Putin's acts are
deplorable.

Ukraine has been enticed by the west, with a promise of riches, should
it adopt an anti-Moscow stance, join the EU and hopefully NATO.

Guardian press in 2014 “The reality is that, after two decades of
eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt
to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an
explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to
the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian
administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the
EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless” -
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

Ukraine has a history of changing sides to suit itself, however, the
facts on the grounds are the west of the country is more 'western'
leaning and the east considers itself closer to Russia. Hence, you see
Putin looking to annex parts of the east. It was western nationalists
that burnt many peaceful pro-Russian protestors in the east in-front of
a government building not long ago - little no word of it in the
'western' media.

Prior to the 2014 riots, western countries (lead by the USA) had spent
about $5b in attempt to shift public opinion, set-up organisations to
support western causes in Ukraine. This included at the beginning of the
riots the start-up of about 5 "Ukrainian" news channels, which were
designed to control public opinion towards a western narrative (all in
the name of freedom of press etc).

> and demands -- what exactly? Clearly,
> he's using the well known post-WW2 term, in order to gain sympathy points.
> Only HE is the invader, he is the one who initiated the war.
>

In late 2021, Ukraine signed a deal with the USA, which saw a further
increase in funding to support "democracy"*, security (weapons), support
against Russia, by way of using western built institutes to highlight
Russia's wrongs (propaganda), cyber security etc.

*In 2014, while an elected leader was in place, US officials were
discussing who'd they like in power, and how they'd make it happen. The
person they name-checked, was in power for two years following the riots
and the western sponsored ousting of the then exiting democratically
elected leader.

> It's even more amusing, if you consider that the nation he invaded, in 2019,
> elected a Jewish President, and by a huge margin; such "Nazis", eh? (pity for
> this guy BTW

The Neo-Nazi element is true. And, to say Jews can't have a Nazi type
mentality is just plain stupid. Just look at Israel, where a state has
been made on someone else's land specifically for one group of people,
which they're maintaining by oppression, murder, torture and abuse on a
daily.

Look into the black and red flags, which you'll see in Ukraine, look
back at the videos of some of the protests.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

https://unherd.com/2022/03/the-truth-about-ukraines-nazi-militias/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/03/14/neo-nazi-ukraine-war/

"Ukraine really does have a far-right problem, and it’s not a fiction of
Kremlin propaganda. And it’s well past time to talk about it..." -
https://jewishunpacked.com/can-ukraine-have-a-nazi-problem-with-a-jewish-president/

> -- Putin has murdered people who have far less annoyed him; I
> don't think Zelensky has many years left, regardless of how the war ends).
>
> As everyone here who bothers to read my posts knows, I utterly despise Nazism
> and its followers.
>
> Still, by what right can Putin demand this? Are there neo-Nazis in the Ukraine?
> Of course there are some, as in Russia itself, Poland, Germany, the UK, the US...
> so what's bloody next? Maybe Germany will invade Poland, and demand to De-Nazifi
> it?
>
> The idea is, possibly, to demand something that can never be met; he will
> always be able to claim that there are still "Nazis" in the Ukraine.
>

In reality for Putin it isn't about them being neo-Nazi far-right
extremists; that is the excuse - as you mention neo-Nazi's exist in
Russia too (and seemingly a problem in German security forces). The
problem for him is, primarily these groups are, according to Russia,
funded, backed and supported by the west; and are directed to an
anti-Russian movement with a will to fight any pro-Russian movements in
Ukraine.

The Happy Hippy wrote:

>
>> It's even more amusing, if you consider that the nation he invaded,
>> in 2019, elected a Jewish President, and by a huge margin; such
>> "Nazis", eh?
>
> Yes, the fascists lost that election, saw Poroshenko defeated by Zelensky, but it doesn't mean they went away. They make up a significant minority of the population and still exert power.
>
> Zelensky himself may not be a Nazi but he has had to tolerate fascism in order to retain his position, stop them rising up and overthrowing him.
>
> The ongoing war in the east is perhaps the best example of that. Zelensky may be inclined to grant them independence or autonomy but the fascists won't stand for that so he accepts the war goes on to keep those fascists on-side.
>
> Besides, being Jewish doesn't preclude being fascistic, and Nazism, National Socialism, encompasses more than being "anti-Jewish". Which is why some have accused Israel of being 'a Nazi state', as shortform for the supremacism they say they believes in.
>

Could you elaborate what you don't like about fascists ?

That they kill innocent civilians ?
That they invade other peoples countries ?
That they ruthlessly repress their own population, and arrest and throw
them in jail for speaking about current events ?
That they indiscriminately bomb population centers ?
That they threaten the planet with nuclear war ?

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:24:08 +0000
Mohammed <toseeb1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18/03/2022 23:03, Loose Cannon wrote:

> > As everyone here who bothers to read my posts knows, I utterly
> > despise Nazism and its followers.
> >
> > Still, by what right can Putin demand this? Are there neo-Nazis in
> > the Ukraine? Of course there are some, as in Russia itself, Poland,
> > Germany, the UK, the US... so what's bloody next? Maybe Germany
> > will invade Poland, and demand to De-Nazifi it?
> >
> > The idea is, possibly, to demand something that can never be met;
> > he will always be able to claim that there are still "Nazis" in the
> > Ukraine.
>
> In reality for Putin it isn't about them being neo-Nazi far-right
> extremists; that is the excuse - as you mention neo-Nazi's exist in
> Russia too (and seemingly a problem in German security forces). The
> problem for him is, primarily these groups are, according to Russia,
> funded, backed and supported by the west; and are directed to an
> anti-Russian movement with a will to fight any pro-Russian movements
> in Ukraine.

My reading of it is that he isn't demanding the mass extermination of Nazis and fascists which would of course be impossible, no matter how desirable it may be.

What he is demanding is that the Ukrainian state adopts an anti-Nazi, anti-fascist stance, as civilised countries have, rids his government and institutions of those who support and pursue Nazi and fascist ideology.

He wants Zelensky, the government, the state, to condemn Nazis and fascism, not support them, to condemn and rid the country of government ministers who support Nazis and fascists, those who praise the murder of elected mayors at the hands of fascists and encourage such murder, not turn a blind eye to it.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:13:33 -0400
JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:

> Could you elaborate what you don't like about fascists ?

"Everything".

There are no redeeming features.

> That they kill innocent civilians ?
> That they invade other peoples countries ?

I am not going to partake in your silly "they are no worse than America" game.

In article <t179to$1642$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mohammed <toseeb1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18/03/2022 23:03, Loose Cannon wrote:

>> One's especially gotta love "De-Nazification". You see, boys and girls? He
>> brutally invades a peaceful nation,

> Erm - That is not entirely true.

Granted, I should have used "posed no threat to Russia"

> And, I start by saying Putin's acts are deplorable.

That's nice, guess I should have stopped here...

> Ukraine has been enticed by the west, with a promise of riches, should
> it adopt an anti-Moscow stance, join the EU and hopefully NATO.

It's their right. If Putin does not like it, he can go fuck himself. He can
also, of course, do the right thing and work with the West.

> Guardian press

I don't care what they write in The Guardian.

> And, to say Jews can't have a Nazi type
> mentality is just plain stupid.

It's plain stupid to just shout "Nazi" at everyone, and moreover, to ignore the
context in which Putin uses it, which is WW2. Great Britain has done really
terrible things; mass murder, colonialism on a huge scale, economic plunder...
you name it; still, they are not Nazis, and never have been.

> Just look at Israel,

Just look at the Muslim nations surrounding Israel, which have killed orders
of magnitude more Muslims than Israel did, in all its conflicts with the
Arabs combined. BTW, only Arabs have used poison gas against Arabs. So
who's the "Nazi" here?

But anyway, in the context Putin uses it, he basically means "Hitlerite", and
Hitlerites do not elect Jewish Presidents.

[...]

> Look into the black and red flags, which you'll see in Ukraine, look
> back at the videos of some of the protests.

Yes, they have neo-Nazis. As noted, so does everyone else.

> In reality for Putin it isn't about them being neo-Nazi far-right
> extremists; that is the excuse - as you mention neo-Nazi's exist in
> Russia too (and seemingly a problem in German security forces). The
> problem for him is, primarily these groups are, according to Russia,
> funded, backed and supported by the west; and are directed to an
> anti-Russian movement with a will to fight any pro-Russian movements in
> Ukraine.

Well then, it's the Ukraine's problem. You want to talk about dangerous
neighbors? Look, my country is flooded with drugs produced in some neighboring
countries. They are causing us enormous damage. Does this give us the right to
invade these countries? Hell, it would be far more justified than what Putin
is doing.

In article <20220320213529.00007a06@ntlworld.invalid>,
The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:

> My reading of it is that he isn't demanding the mass extermination of Nazis
> and fascists

That would force him to exterminate himself, ya know. Russell's paradox
comes to mind.

> What he is demanding is that the Ukrainian state adopts an anti-Nazi, anti-
> fascist stance,

That's super-cool, but who gives him the right to demand this?

> He wants Zelensky,

"I want to fuck Angie Dickinson; let's see who gets lucky first."

In article <20220320214007.000069d3@ntlworld.invalid>,
The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:13:33 -0400
> JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:

>> Could you elaborate what you don't like about fascists ?

> "Everything".
>
> There are no redeeming features.

>> That they kill innocent civilians ?
>> That they invade other peoples countries ?

> I am not going to partake in your silly "they are no worse than America" game.

You have totally ignored Jesse's point. It's not necessarily about who is better
or worse. It's about Putin behaving like a fascist.

Mohammed wrote:
> On 18/03/2022 23:03, Loose Cannon wrote:
>> One's especially gotta love "De-Nazification". You see, boys and
>> girls? He
>> brutally invades a peaceful nation,
>
> Erm - That is not entirely true. And, I start by saying Putin's acts are
> deplorable.
>
Old trick - "I'm not going to make any excuses !" then proceed to rattle
off a dozen excuses

> according to Russia,

I think I found your problem ,, Obviously, if you rely on a fountain of
pure lies and misinformation for your talking points, then your talking
points are going to be skewed.

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:13:33 -0400
> JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:
>
>> Could you elaborate what you don't like about fascists ?

Scared you, didn't it ?
Snip it like a bitch, you are speechless when confronted with the truth.

Could you elaborate what you don't like about fascists ?

That they kill innocent civilians ?
That they invade other peoples countries ?
That they ruthlessly repress their own population, and arrest and throw
them in jail for speaking about current events ?
That they indiscriminately bomb population centers ?
That they threaten the planet with nuclear war ?

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:24:08 +0000
> Mohammed <toseeb1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18/03/2022 23:03, Loose Cannon wrote:
>
>>> As everyone here who bothers to read my posts knows, I utterly
>>> despise Nazism and its followers.
>>>
>>> Still, by what right can Putin demand this? Are there neo-Nazis in
>>> the Ukraine? Of course there are some, as in Russia itself, Poland,
>>> Germany, the UK, the US... so what's bloody next? Maybe Germany
>>> will invade Poland, and demand to De-Nazifi it?
>>>
>>> The idea is, possibly, to demand something that can never be met;
>>> he will always be able to claim that there are still "Nazis" in the
>>> Ukraine.
>>
>> In reality for Putin it isn't about them being neo-Nazi far-right
>> extremists; that is the excuse - as you mention neo-Nazi's exist in
>> Russia too (and seemingly a problem in German security forces). The
>> problem for him is, primarily these groups are, according to Russia,
>> funded, backed and supported by the west; and are directed to an
>> anti-Russian movement with a will to fight any pro-Russian movements
>> in Ukraine.
>
> My reading of it is that he isn't demanding the mass extermination of Nazis and fascists which would of course be impossible, no matter how desirable it may be.

Spoken like a true [wait for it ,,,,] FASCIST

> What he is demanding is that the Ukrainian state adopts an anti-Nazi, anti-fascist stance, as civilised countries have, rids his government and institutions of those who support and pursue Nazi and fascist ideology.

Oh I see, and give credence to his big fat Bolshevik lie that he was
only invading to liberate the hapless civilians from neo Nazi drug
addict rule.
The delusional, corrupt boy licker is laying down terms like a victor to
the vanquished,and that, unfortunately for vlad, requires victory first.

--
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for
light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 21:36:55 -0400
JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:

> The Happy Hippy wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:13:33 -0400
> > JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Could you elaborate what you don't like about fascists ?
>
> Scared you, didn't it ?

No.

But I'm not playing your "have you stopped beating you wife" games.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 23:40:39 -0400
JeSSe <zo@so.org> wrote:

> > My reading of it is that he isn't demanding the mass extermination
> > of Nazis and fascists which would of course be impossible, no
> > matter how desirable it may be.
>
> Spoken like a true [wait for it ,,,,] FASCIST
>

You will have to explain how that's a view of a fascist.

It's ridiculous to even suggest that fascists believe fascists should be exterminated.

You have, once again, taken to simply talking shit.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:00:54 +0000 (UTC)
Loose Cannon <efbreg73@gmx-x.comm> wrote:

> > Ukraine has been enticed by the west, with a promise of riches,
> > should it adopt an anti-Moscow stance, join the EU and hopefully
> > NATO.
>
> It's their right. If Putin does not like it, he can go fuck himself.
> He can also, of course, do the right thing and work with the West.

He tried to, was rebuffed by the west.

> But anyway, in the context Putin uses it, he basically means
> "Hitlerite", and Hitlerites do not elect Jewish Presidents.

No, that's just your opinion of how Putin was using it.

> Look, my country is flooded with drugs produced
> in some neighboring countries. They are causing us enormous damage.
> Does this give us the right to invade these countries?

America does indeed seem to think it does.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:12:33 +0000 (UTC)
Loose Cannon <efbreg73@gmx-x.comm> wrote:

> In article <20220320213529.00007a06@ntlworld.invalid>,
> The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:
>
> > My reading of it is that he isn't demanding the mass extermination
> > of Nazis and fascists
>
> That would force him to exterminate himself, ya know. Russell's
> paradox comes to mind.

You are just talking crap since I said he isn't demanding that.

> > What he is demanding is that the Ukrainian state adopts an
> > anti-Nazi, anti- fascist stance,
>
> That's super-cool, but who gives him the right to demand this?

It's an inalienable universal right for anyone to demand anything they want to demand.

> > He wants Zelensky,
>
> "I want to fuck Angie Dickinson; let's see who gets lucky first."

You've lost it mate.