It is being reported that the coffin will taken to London on the Royal
Train.

In message <tfdekr$pqtb$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:09:15 on Thu, 8 Sep
2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:

>It is being reported that the coffin will taken to London on the Royal
>Train.

That would be very fitting, but the report I read this morning said it
would be flown to London, having traveled by road to Edinburgh (so no
train involved there either). We'll have to see.

Last time the details were published about what would happen had she
died at Sandringham, involved a road (not train) trip. A train would
probably pass fairly close by where I live (and of course she used to
take the regular service train to Kings Lynn).

While it's now a moot point, I suspect road transport would have gone
via Peterborough, rather than the somewhat tortuous A10.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tfdekr$pqtb$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:09:15 on Thu, 8 Sep
> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>
>> It is being reported that the coffin will taken to London on the Royal
>> Train.
>
> That would be very fitting, but the report I read this morning said it
> would be flown to London, having traveled by road to Edinburgh (so no
> train involved there either). We'll have to see.
>
> Last time the details were published about what would happen had she
> died at Sandringham, involved a road (not train) trip. A train would
> probably pass fairly close by where I live (and of course she used to
> take the regular service train to Kings Lynn).
>
> While it's now a moot point, I suspect road transport would have gone
> via Peterborough, rather than the somewhat tortuous A10.

One of the reports suggested that there would be a lying in state in St
Giles’ in Edinburgh before the coffin would be transported to London. I
don’t know how realistic that is.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
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Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tfdekr$pqtb$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:09:15 on Thu, 8 Sep
>> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>
>>> It is being reported that the coffin will taken to London on the Royal
>>> Train.
>>
>> That would be very fitting, but the report I read this morning said it
>> would be flown to London, having traveled by road to Edinburgh (so no
>> train involved there either). We'll have to see.
>>
>> Last time the details were published about what would happen had she
>> died at Sandringham, involved a road (not train) trip. A train would
>> probably pass fairly close by where I live (and of course she used to
>> take the regular service train to Kings Lynn).
>>
>> While it's now a moot point, I suspect road transport would have gone
>> via Peterborough, rather than the somewhat tortuous A10.
>
> One of the reports suggested that there would be a lying in state in St
> Giles’ in Edinburgh before the coffin would be transported to London. I
> don’t know how realistic that is.

Yes, that's correct:

The Queen’s coffin is expected to be taken by road to the Palace of
Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh, where it will lie at rest in the throne room.
Proclamations will be read in the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland
devolved parliaments.

The coffin is expected to be taken in procession along Royal Mile to St
Giles’ Cathedral. A service will be held in St Giles’ and the Queen’s
children are expected to stage a vigil around the Queen’s coffin — the
Vigil of the Princes. Members of the public are expected to be allowed in
to file past the Queen’s coffin to pay their respects.

…

Over the coming days the King will travel to all nations of the UK, in what
is known as Operation Spring Tide. His first significant trip outside
London is expected to be to Scotland. His arrival in Edinburgh at the
Palace of Holyroodhouse is marked by the ceremony of the keys, in which the
lord provost of Edinburgh hands the sovereign the keys of the city. The
lord provost is an ancient office dating to the 13th century: the holder is
elected every four years from members of the city council. The King then
joins a coffin procession to St Giles’ Cathedral, where there is a service
to mark the arrival of the coffin and the start of the public lying at
rest. The day’s events are also likely to include an audience with the
first minister, a motion of condolence and a reception at the Scottish
parliament.

…

The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
Westminster will be rehearsed.

…

Draped with the royal standard and topped with the imperial state crown, it
will be taken to the Palace of Westminster for the lying in state, five
days in which the public can pay their respects. The crown was worn by the
Queen when she returned from Westminster Abbey after the Coronation, and
the state opening of parliament each year until 2016.

The coffin is borne on a gun carriage by the King’s Troop Royal Horse
Artillery to Westminster Hall via The Mall, Horse Guards and Whitehall. Big
Ben will toll, and members of the royal family are expected to follow the
coffin.

<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bee5f3f6-192e-11eb-8493-5b46eb56a071?shareToken=59a6fb9a13c618f90c32758aa83f67e7>

On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>Westminster will be rehearsed.

I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
body by rail. Stations could probably just about be controlled but out
in the countryside closure of all running lines would probably have
been a minimum requirement. Not a risk assessment I'd have wanted to
sign off!

On Fri, 09 Sep 2022 20:30:18 +0100, Nigel Emery
<nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

>I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>body by rail. Stations could probably just about be controlled but out
>in the countryside closure of all running lines would probably have
>been a minimum requirement. Not a risk assessment I'd have wanted to
>sign off!

Apologies, I've just realised I've duplicated a very similar post by
Tweed in another thread!

Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Sep 2022 20:30:18 +0100, Nigel Emery
> <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>> body by rail. Stations could probably just about be controlled but out
>> in the countryside closure of all running lines would probably have
>> been a minimum requirement. Not a risk assessment I'd have wanted to
>> sign off!
>
> Apologies, I've just realised I've duplicated a very similar post by
> Tweed in another thread!

It would have been immensely disruptive to all normal rail traffic, and
required huge security manpower along the route (in addition to the high
police manpower demands in Edinburgh and London). It would have been a
long, slow, risky journey. Rail journeys like that probably need weeks of
planning.

In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
><recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>Westminster will be rehearsed.
>
>I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>body by rail.

That is what's being said in the specialist press today.

Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
rather than $London-Terminal

>Stations could probably just about be controlled but out
>in the countryside closure of all running lines would probably have
>been a minimum requirement. Not a risk assessment I'd have wanted to
>sign off!

--
Roland Perry

On 09/09/2022 21:12, Recliner wrote:

> It would have been immensely disruptive to all normal rail traffic,

Would anyone notice...?

--
Arthur Figgis

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>
>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>> body by rail.
>
> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>
> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
> rather than $London-Terminal

To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.

Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't restrict the
size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central London
as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed by a
long drive.

In message <tfhka6$1bo76$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:10:30 on Sat, 10 Sep
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>
>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>> body by rail.
>>
>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>
>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>> rather than $London-Terminal
>
>To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
>might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>
>Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't restrict the
>size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central London
>as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed by a
>long drive.

One of the reports I saw yesterday said "Northolt or Brize Norton".
--
Roland Perry

On 10/09/2022 11:44, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tfhka6$1bo76$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:10:30 on Sat, 10 Sep
> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at
>>>>> rest in
>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the
>>>>> Palace of
>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>> body by rail.
>>>
>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>
>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with
>> Diana,
>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been
>> retired, and
>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey
>> Union
>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>
>> Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't
>> restrict the
>> size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central
>> London
>> as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed
>> by a
>> long drive.
>
> One of the reports I saw yesterday said "Northolt or Brize Norton".

Problem is what sort of aircraft is suitable for carrying a coffin? As
Recliner says the new Flacons are too small and a Voyager is too big for
Northolt. A Hercules could do it but might be considered too utilitarian.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tfhka6$1bo76$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:10:30 on Sat, 10 Sep
> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>> body by rail.
>>>
>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>
>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>
>> Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't restrict the
>> size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central London
>> as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed by a
>> long drive.
>
> One of the reports I saw yesterday said "Northolt or Brize Norton".

Yes, those would be the options if they want to use an RAF base. I assume
there will be a full military guard of honour, hence the preference for
using an RAF base. Of course, she did use Heathrow many times, and it was
her local airport. Her final flight could fly over her final resting place.

They could use a military freighter into Northolt, but that may be too
undignified. An A330 is much too big, and would have to use Brize or a
civilian airport.

On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 08:15:56 +0100, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:

>On 09/09/2022 21:12, Recliner wrote:
>
>> It would have been immensely disruptive to all normal rail traffic,
>
>Would anyone notice...?

Perhaps Avanti has been rehearsing for this event?

On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 11:01:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tfhka6$1bo76$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:10:30 on Sat, 10 Sep
>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>>> body by rail.
>>>>
>>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>>
>>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
>>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>>
>>> Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't restrict the
>>> size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central London
>>> as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed by a
>>> long drive.
>>
>> One of the reports I saw yesterday said "Northolt or Brize Norton".
>
>Yes, those would be the options if they want to use an RAF base. I assume
>there will be a full military guard of honour, hence the preference for
>using an RAF base. Of course, she did use Heathrow many times, and it was
>her local airport. Her final flight could fly over her final resting place.
>
>
>They could use a military freighter into Northolt, but that may be too
>undignified. An A330 is much too big, and would have to use Brize or a
>civilian airport.

I wonder if Northolt might be able to accept an A330MRTT?

Many years ago, a Pan Am 707 managed to land at Northolt instead of
Heathrow. I will admit that to get it out they stripped out the seats,
backed it up to the perimeter fence, put in just enough fuel to get to
Heathrow, stopped traffic on both the A40 and West End Road and went
for it. They succeeded!

Then there was the time (mid70s) I was looking for an aircraft to take
a military band with instruments down to Gibraltar and come back with
the band and a motorcycle display team and the motorbikes. We ended up
with a Vanguard but, at one point I was offered a DC10-30.

The runway at Northolt is 5535ft, Gibraltar is 5827ft so if the belief
was that a DC10-30 could get out of GIB with a load plus fuel to
London I do wonder if a lightly loaded/fueled A330 could use Northolt.
OK there are all sorts of other variables to take into account and
Brize or Heathrow are much better equipped but as an intellectual
exercise......?

Modern aircraft are surprisingly capable.

On 2022-09-10 09:10:30 +0000, Recliner said:

> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>
>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>> body by rail.
>>
>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>
>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>> rather than $London-Terminal
>
> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.

G-GBNI, an A321 neo used by HMG for various VIP transport and related
tasks (painted in a union jack livery similar to the RAF Voyager VIP
aircraft) has operated into and out of Northolt in the past (and
relatively recently), so that would seem to be a suitable aircraft for
this duty (naturally I would regard the Royal Train as the better
option).

Robin

On 2022-09-10 13:13:19 +0000, Graham Harrison said:

> On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 11:01:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tfhka6$1bo76$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:10:30 on Sat, 10 Sep
>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>>>> body by rail.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>>>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>>>
>>>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
>>>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>>>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>>>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>>>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>>>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>>>
>>>> Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't restrict the
>>>> size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central London
>>>> as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed by a
>>>> long drive.
>>>
>>> One of the reports I saw yesterday said "Northolt or Brize Norton".
>>
>> Yes, those would be the options if they want to use an RAF base. I assume
>> there will be a full military guard of honour, hence the preference for
>> using an RAF base. Of course, she did use Heathrow many times, and it was
>> her local airport. Her final flight could fly over her final resting place.
>>
>>
>> They could use a military freighter into Northolt, but that may be too
>> undignified. An A330 is much too big, and would have to use Brize or a
>> civilian airport.
>
> I wonder if Northolt might be able to accept an A330MRTT?
>
> Many years ago, a Pan Am 707 managed to land at Northolt instead of
> Heathrow. I will admit that to get it out they stripped out the seats,
> backed it up to the perimeter fence, put in just enough fuel to get to
> Heathrow, stopped traffic on both the A40 and West End Road and went
> for it. They succeeded!
>
> Then there was the time (mid70s) I was looking for an aircraft to take
> a military band with instruments down to Gibraltar and come back with
> the band and a motorcycle display team and the motorbikes. We ended up
> with a Vanguard but, at one point I was offered a DC10-30.
>
> The runway at Northolt is 5535ft, Gibraltar is 5827ft so if the belief
> was that a DC10-30 could get out of GIB with a load plus fuel to
> London I do wonder if a lightly loaded/fueled A330 could use Northolt.
> OK there are all sorts of other variables to take into account and
> Brize or Heathrow are much better equipped but as an intellectual
> exercise......?
>
> Modern aircraft are surprisingly capable.

Wikipedia lists a requirement for 2770 m for takeoff and 1730 m for
landing an A330 200, which is the basis for the Voyager. Northolt has
a 1684 m runway, so too short.

The A321 that is used for VIP transprot for HMG from time to time,
G-GBNI, however, has flown in and out of Northolt in the past, so that
might be a suitable machine.

Robin

In message <tfi9jt$1g1p8$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:14:05 on Sat, 10 Sep
2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>On 2022-09-10 09:10:30 +0000, Recliner said:
>
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at
>>>>>rest in
>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>> body by rail.
>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to
>>>attend
>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane,
>>which
>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>
>G-GBNI, an A321 neo used by HMG for various VIP transport and related
>tasks (painted in a union jack livery similar to the RAF Voyager VIP
>aircraft) has operated into and out of Northolt in the past (and
>relatively recently), so that would seem to be a suitable aircraft for
>this duty (naturally I would regard the Royal Train as the better option).

I expect they also want to get the funeral done without too much delay
(eg on a Monday rather than a Tuesday), and apart from anything else I
suspect the train would add another day into the schedule.

As far as I can see they haven't announced the date yet, which may be an
abundance of caution working forward from when the coffin is in London.
There's then a fixed (although sources don't completely agree the number
of) days in Westminster Hall.
--
Roland Perry

Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
> On 2022-09-10 13:13:19 +0000, Graham Harrison said:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 11:01:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tfhka6$1bo76$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:10:30 on Sat, 10 Sep
>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>>>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>>>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>>>>> body by rail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>>>>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>>>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>>>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>>>>
>>>>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
>>>>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>>>>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>>>>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>>>>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>>>>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't restrict the
>>>>> size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central London
>>>>> as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed by a
>>>>> long drive.
>>>>
>>>> One of the reports I saw yesterday said "Northolt or Brize Norton".
>>>
>>> Yes, those would be the options if they want to use an RAF base. I assume
>>> there will be a full military guard of honour, hence the preference for
>>> using an RAF base. Of course, she did use Heathrow many times, and it was
>>> her local airport. Her final flight could fly over her final resting place.
>>>
>>>
>>> They could use a military freighter into Northolt, but that may be too
>>> undignified. An A330 is much too big, and would have to use Brize or a
>>> civilian airport.
>>
>> I wonder if Northolt might be able to accept an A330MRTT?
>>
>> Many years ago, a Pan Am 707 managed to land at Northolt instead of
>> Heathrow. I will admit that to get it out they stripped out the seats,
>> backed it up to the perimeter fence, put in just enough fuel to get to
>> Heathrow, stopped traffic on both the A40 and West End Road and went
>> for it. They succeeded!
>>
>> Then there was the time (mid70s) I was looking for an aircraft to take
>> a military band with instruments down to Gibraltar and come back with
>> the band and a motorcycle display team and the motorbikes. We ended up
>> with a Vanguard but, at one point I was offered a DC10-30.
>>
>> The runway at Northolt is 5535ft, Gibraltar is 5827ft so if the belief
>> was that a DC10-30 could get out of GIB with a load plus fuel to
>> London I do wonder if a lightly loaded/fueled A330 could use Northolt.
>> OK there are all sorts of other variables to take into account and
>> Brize or Heathrow are much better equipped but as an intellectual
>> exercise......?
>>
>> Modern aircraft are surprisingly capable.
>
> Wikipedia lists a requirement for 2770 m for takeoff and 1730 m for
> landing an A330 200, which is the basis for the Voyager. Northolt has
> a 1684 m runway, so too short.
>
> The A321 that is used for VIP transprot for HMG from time to time,
> G-GBNI, however, has flown in and out of Northolt in the past, so that
> might be a suitable machine.
>

Ah, I didn't realise that the chartered Titan A321neo could use Northolt.
Yes, I now see that it could take off from Northolt with a low fuel load
and payload. It helps that Northolt isn't hot or high. However, I suspect
they may want to close the A40 for such a take-off unless there's a good
head wind.

But I wonder if they would use a chartered civilian airliner, probably
flown by Titan pilots, for that task?

Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 11:01:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tfhka6$1bo76$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:10:30 on Sat, 10 Sep
>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>>>> body by rail.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>>>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>>>
>>>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
>>>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>>>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>>>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>>>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>>>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>>>
>>>> Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't restrict the
>>>> size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central London
>>>> as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed by a
>>>> long drive.
>>>
>>> One of the reports I saw yesterday said "Northolt or Brize Norton".
>>
>> Yes, those would be the options if they want to use an RAF base. I assume
>> there will be a full military guard of honour, hence the preference for
>> using an RAF base. Of course, she did use Heathrow many times, and it was
>> her local airport. Her final flight could fly over her final resting place.
>>
>>
>> They could use a military freighter into Northolt, but that may be too
>> undignified. An A330 is much too big, and would have to use Brize or a
>> civilian airport.
>
> I wonder if Northolt might be able to accept an A330MRTT?
>
> Many years ago, a Pan Am 707 managed to land at Northolt instead of
> Heathrow. I will admit that to get it out they stripped out the seats,
> backed it up to the perimeter fence, put in just enough fuel to get to
> Heathrow, stopped traffic on both the A40 and West End Road and went
> for it. They succeeded!

An A321 is almost the same length as a 707, and its two engines are
together slightly less powerful than the 707's four. Losing one of the two
engines at take-off at Northolt would be 'interesting'.

>
> Then there was the time (mid70s) I was looking for an aircraft to take
> a military band with instruments down to Gibraltar and come back with
> the band and a motorcycle display team and the motorbikes. We ended up
> with a Vanguard but, at one point I was offered a DC10-30.
>
> The runway at Northolt is 5535ft, Gibraltar is 5827ft so if the belief
> was that a DC10-30 could get out of GIB with a load plus fuel to
> London I do wonder if a lightly loaded/fueled A330 could use Northolt.
> OK there are all sorts of other variables to take into account and
> Brize or Heathrow are much better equipped but as an intellectual
> exercise......?
>
> Modern aircraft are surprisingly capable.
>

I suspect they wouldn't risk an A330 on such a high profile mission on that
short runway. At 46m wide, it's probably also too narrow for a wide-bodied
jet. It's OK for an A321neo, providing it's lightly loaded (eg, no
payload, and only flying to, say, Brize Norton).

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tfi9jt$1g1p8$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:14:05 on Sat, 10 Sep
> 2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>> On 2022-09-10 09:10:30 +0000, Recliner said:
>>
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at
>>>>>> rest in
>>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>>> body by rail.
>>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to
>>>> attend
>>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane,
>>> which
>>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>
>> G-GBNI, an A321 neo used by HMG for various VIP transport and related
>> tasks (painted in a union jack livery similar to the RAF Voyager VIP
>> aircraft) has operated into and out of Northolt in the past (and
>> relatively recently), so that would seem to be a suitable aircraft for
>> this duty (naturally I would regard the Royal Train as the better option).
>
> I expect they also want to get the funeral done without too much delay
> (eg on a Monday rather than a Tuesday), and apart from anything else I
> suspect the train would add another day into the schedule.
>
> As far as I can see they haven't announced the date yet, which may be an
> abundance of caution working forward from when the coffin is in London.

As I've already reported, it will be on Monday the 19th.

> There's then a fixed (although sources don't completely agree the number
> of) days in Westminster Hall.

Five days.

Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
> On 2022-09-10 13:13:19 +0000, Graham Harrison said:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 11:01:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tfhka6$1bo76$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:10:30 on Sat, 10 Sep
>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>>>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at rest in
>>>>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>>>>> body by rail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to attend
>>>>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>>>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>>>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>>>>
>>>>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane, which
>>>>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>>>>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been retired, and
>>>>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>>>>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>>>>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heathrow's Royal Suite would be more appropriate, and wouldn't restrict the
>>>>> size or type of aircraft. It's about the same distance from central London
>>>>> as Northolt. Otherwise, it probably means using Brize Norton, followed by a
>>>>> long drive.
>>>>
>>>> One of the reports I saw yesterday said "Northolt or Brize Norton".
>>>
>>> Yes, those would be the options if they want to use an RAF base. I assume
>>> there will be a full military guard of honour, hence the preference for
>>> using an RAF base. Of course, she did use Heathrow many times, and it was
>>> her local airport. Her final flight could fly over her final resting place.
>>>
>>>
>>> They could use a military freighter into Northolt, but that may be too
>>> undignified. An A330 is much too big, and would have to use Brize or a
>>> civilian airport.
>>
>> I wonder if Northolt might be able to accept an A330MRTT?
>>
>> Many years ago, a Pan Am 707 managed to land at Northolt instead of
>> Heathrow. I will admit that to get it out they stripped out the seats,
>> backed it up to the perimeter fence, put in just enough fuel to get to
>> Heathrow, stopped traffic on both the A40 and West End Road and went
>> for it. They succeeded!
>>
>> Then there was the time (mid70s) I was looking for an aircraft to take
>> a military band with instruments down to Gibraltar and come back with
>> the band and a motorcycle display team and the motorbikes. We ended up
>> with a Vanguard but, at one point I was offered a DC10-30.
>>
>> The runway at Northolt is 5535ft, Gibraltar is 5827ft so if the belief
>> was that a DC10-30 could get out of GIB with a load plus fuel to
>> London I do wonder if a lightly loaded/fueled A330 could use Northolt.
>> OK there are all sorts of other variables to take into account and
>> Brize or Heathrow are much better equipped but as an intellectual
>> exercise......?
>>
>> Modern aircraft are surprisingly capable.
>
> Wikipedia lists a requirement for 2770 m for takeoff and 1730 m for
> landing an A330 200, which is the basis for the Voyager. Northolt has
> a 1684 m runway, so too short.
>
> The A321 that is used for VIP transprot for HMG from time to time,
> G-GBNI, however, has flown in and out of Northolt in the past, so that
> might be a suitable machine.
>

The Telegraph is confirming that it will be Northolt:

On Tuesday at 5pm the coffin will be taken on the 45-minute journey from St
Giles’s Cathedral to Edinburgh Airport, where the Princess Royal will
accompany her late mother on the flight to RAF Northolt in London, where it
will land at 6.55pm.

From Northolt the coffin will be taken in a state hearse to Buckingham
Palace, where it will remain in the Bow Room overnight.

———

On Wednesday the coffin will be adorned by the Imperial State Crown, and
members of the Royal family will say prayers before the coffin leaves the
Palace on a gun carriage at 2.22pm on a journey to Westminster Hall at the
Houses of Parliament.

She will lie in state from Wednesday afternoon till 06:30 on Monday
morning.

In message <tfici9$1gq12$3@dont-email.me>, at 16:04:25 on Sat, 10 Sep
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tfi9jt$1g1p8$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:14:05 on Sat, 10 Sep
>> 2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>>> On 2022-09-10 09:10:30 +0000, Recliner said:
>>>
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at
>>>>>>> rest in
>>>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>>>> body by rail.
>>>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to
>>>>> attend
>>>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane,
>>>> which
>>>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>>>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been
>>>>retired, and
>>>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>>>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>>>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>>
>>> G-GBNI, an A321 neo used by HMG for various VIP transport and related
>>> tasks (painted in a union jack livery similar to the RAF Voyager VIP
>>> aircraft) has operated into and out of Northolt in the past (and
>>> relatively recently), so that would seem to be a suitable aircraft for
>>> this duty (naturally I would regard the Royal Train as the better option).
>>
>> I expect they also want to get the funeral done without too much delay
>> (eg on a Monday rather than a Tuesday), and apart from anything else I
>> suspect the train would add another day into the schedule.
>>
>> As far as I can see they haven't announced the date yet, which may be an
>> abundance of caution working forward from when the coffin is in London.
>
>As I've already reported

A date, time and publication you read that, might help sort out the
timeline. Several reports of various aspects of the operation(s) have
been superseded by new ones.

>, it will be on Monday the 19th.

Looking round numerous news sites a little earlier, it was only widely
expected to be Monday. When yuu wrote that, it hadn't been confirmed.

Update: It was finally announced 15 minutes ago.

>> There's then a fixed (although sources don't completely agree the number
>> of) days in Westminster Hall.
>
>Five days.

That's from one source, they don't all agree. Perhaps some of it comes
from whether midnight to mid-morning when the coffin is taken elsewhere
is counted as a "day"
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:23:37 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>In message <tfici9$1gq12$3@dont-email.me>, at 16:04:25 on Sat, 10 Sep
>2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tfi9jt$1g1p8$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:14:05 on Sat, 10 Sep
>>> 2022, Bob <email@domain.com> remarked:
>>>> On 2022-09-10 09:10:30 +0000, Recliner said:
>>>>
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <eJIbYw01g++kS9vsCB4hFqnZyAoy@4ax.com>, at 20:30:18 on Fri, 9
>>>>>> Sep 2022, Nigel Emery <nigele3@ukonline.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 08:15:26 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The coffin is to be flown to London, where it is likely to be at
>>>>>>>> rest in
>>>>>>>> the Throne Room. The procession from Buckingham Palace to the Palace of
>>>>>>>> Westminster will be rehearsed.
>>>>>>> I wonder if the sort of mass trespass events that has accompanied
>>>>>>> tours by Flying Scotsman has killed off the original plan to move the
>>>>>>> body by rail.
>>>>>> That is what's being said in the specialist press today.
>>>>>> Meanwhile, the mainstream press have reportedly been invited to
>>>>>> attend
>>>>>> an event at Edinburgh Airport (and no event at Waverley) which is fairly
>>>>>> conclusive. No doubt there's a matching one at Northolt (or wherever)
>>>>>> rather than $London-Terminal
>>>>> To use Northolt, it would probably have to be quite a small plane,
>>>>> which
>>>>> might not be seen to be appropriate for this occasion. They did with Diana,
>>>>> but that was on a 146 of the Royal flight. Those have now been
>>>>>retired, and
>>>>> the new executive Falcon 900LX jets that have replaced them are much
>>>>> smaller. I would have thought the RAF Voyager with Johnson's blingey Union
>>>>> flag livery would be ideal, but it's much too large for Northolt.
>>>>
>>>> G-GBNI, an A321 neo used by HMG for various VIP transport and related
>>>> tasks (painted in a union jack livery similar to the RAF Voyager VIP
>>>> aircraft) has operated into and out of Northolt in the past (and
>>>> relatively recently), so that would seem to be a suitable aircraft for
>>>> this duty (naturally I would regard the Royal Train as the better option).
>>>
>>> I expect they also want to get the funeral done without too much delay
>>> (eg on a Monday rather than a Tuesday), and apart from anything else I
>>> suspect the train would add another day into the schedule.
>>>
>>> As far as I can see they haven't announced the date yet, which may be an
>>> abundance of caution working forward from when the coffin is in London.
>>
>>As I've already reported
>
>A date, time and publication you read that, might help sort out the
>timeline. Several reports of various aspects of the operation(s) have
>been superseded by new ones.
>
>>, it will be on Monday the 19th.
>
>Looking round numerous news sites a little earlier, it was only widely
>expected to be Monday. When yuu wrote that, it hadn't been confirmed.
>
>Update: It was finally announced 15 minutes ago.
>
>>> There's then a fixed (although sources don't completely agree the number
>>> of) days in Westminster Hall.
>>
>>Five days.
>
>That's from one source, they don't all agree. Perhaps some of it comes
>from whether midnight to mid-morning when the coffin is taken elsewhere
>is counted as a "day"

It will start at about 4pm on Wednesday afternoon, and finish at 6:30am on Monday morning. So, about 4.6 days.

In message <tfid5r$1gv6k$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:14:51 on Sat, 10 Sep
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>On Wednesday the coffin will be adorned by the Imperial State Crown, and
>members of the Royal family will say prayers before the coffin leaves the
>Palace on a gun carriage at 2.22pm on a journey to Westminster Hall at the
>Houses of Parliament.
>
>She will lie in state from Wednesday afternoon till 06:30 on Monday
>morning.

So that's four whole days, and two one-quarter days. This is what I was
expecting was causing the varied reports of how many days it would be.
--
Roland Perry