BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
advertising and product placement are not allowed?

On 02/03/2023 19:38, Scott wrote:
> BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
> Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
> this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
> admission to its programmes (or recording thereof).

What about the BBC Proms?

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 20:05:27 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 02/03/2023 19:38, Scott wrote:
>> BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
>> Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
>> this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
>> admission to its programmes (or recording thereof).
>
>What about the BBC Proms?

I have never heard them overtly giving details of ticket prices and
how to obtain the tickets.

In article <mgu10i9tc9ioldb0fftn6c6ubq30ifejo2@4ax.com>,
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
> Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
> this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
> admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
> is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
> advertising and product placement are not allowed?

The BBC run the Proms concerts and promote them and charge admission. So
it's obviously possible.

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On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 20:41:50 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

>In article <mgu10i9tc9ioldb0fftn6c6ubq30ifejo2@4ax.com>,
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
>> Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
>> this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
>> admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
>> is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
>> advertising and product placement are not allowed?
>
>The BBC run the Proms concerts and promote them and charge admission. So
>it's obviously possible.

So it seems. The rules must have changed or I must have misunderstood
the rules.

On 02/03/2023 19:38, Scott wrote:
> My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
> admission to its programmes (or recording thereof).
I think they are, however normally it involves sitting for a few hours
(even for the recording of a half hour show) while they do all the
retakes, so it's rather cheeky to charge.
Even for a live show, there are lots of pre and post records, so you're
still there for 4-5 hours.

ITV etc don't normally charge either for the same reasons

Its been on all the local stations. I think its because although its here
this year, not all the competitors ar stations who rely on the same revenue
stream. RTE, for example take adverts.
The prices are not bad if you are a fan, which I am not. I tend to think
that on recent showings of songs, they should pay us to watch and listen to
it.

I enjoyed it when Katrina and the Waves won it for us, was that the last
time?

The Eurovivision concept maybe missed the boat with its own version of the
talent show format, very well sent up by the Goodies all those years ago.
The Eurovision raving loony competition.
Brian

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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
> Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
> this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
> admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
> is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
> advertising and product placement are not allowed?

I think the issue is that you are using prestigious venues, who you cannot
expect to do it for nothing. I often wondered back in the 70s how it was
that they could take over the Golders Green Hippodrome for an evening where
they recorded a rock concert in front of an audience They also did the
famous Hammersmith venue several Christmases for Elton John. Royal Festival
Hall for Janice Ian and many others over the years. Some were free, some
were not, one supposes it depended on the deal they did as some venues liked
the publicity.
Brian

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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 20:41:50 +0000 (GMT), charles
> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <mgu10i9tc9ioldb0fftn6c6ubq30ifejo2@4ax.com>,
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
>>> Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
>>> this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
>>> admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
>>> is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
>>> advertising and product placement are not allowed?
>>
>>The BBC run the Proms concerts and promote them and charge admission. So
>>it's obviously possible.
>
> So it seems. The rules must have changed or I must have misunderstood
> the rules.

On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 20:20:36 +0000, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 20:05:27 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On 02/03/2023 19:38, Scott wrote:
>>> BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
>>> Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
>>> this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
>>> admission to its programmes (or recording thereof).
>>
>>What about the BBC Proms?
>
>I have never heard them overtly giving details of ticket prices and
>how to obtain the tickets.

You said charge not advertise :-)
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 09:27:30 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

>Its been on all the local stations. I think its because although its here
>this year, not all the competitors ar stations who rely on the same revenue
>stream. RTE, for example take adverts.
> The prices are not bad if you are a fan, which I am not. I tend to think
>that on recent showings of songs, they should pay us to watch and listen to
>it.
>
>I enjoyed it when Katrina and the Waves won it for us, was that the last
>time?
>
>
> The Eurovivision concept maybe missed the boat with its own version of the
>talent show format, very well sent up by the Goodies all those years ago.
>The Eurovision raving loony competition.
> Brian
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On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 19:38:44 +0000, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
>Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
>this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
>admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
>is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
>advertising and product placement are not allowed?

The Eurovision Song Contest is not "a BBC programme". It is "an EBU
programme".

EBU is the European Broadcasting Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union

The European Broadcasting Union (EBU; French: Union européenne de
radio-télévision, UER) is an alliance of public service media
organisations whose countries are within the European Broadcasting
Area or who are members of the Council of Europe. As of 2022, it is
made up of 112 member organizations from 54 countries,[2] and 30
associate members from a further 19 countries.[3] It was established
in 1950, and had its administrative headquarters in Geneva and
technical office in Brussels.

The EBU owns and operates the Eurovision and Euroradio
telecommunications networks on which major television and radio
broadcasts are distributed live to its members. It also operates the
daily Eurovision news exchange in which members share breaking news
footage.

....

The EBU, in co-operation with its members, produces programmes and
organizes events in which its members can participate, such as the
Eurovision Song Contest, its best known production, ...

Hosting and financing of the EurovisionSong Contest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest#Hosting

The winning country traditionally hosts the following year's event,
... Eurovision [Song Contest] is a non-profit event, and financing is
typically achieved through a fee from each participating broadcaster,
contributions from the host broadcaster and the host city, and
commercial revenues from sponsorships, ticket sales, televoting and
merchandise.

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2023 09:27:30 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

> Its been on all the local stations. I think its because although its
> here this year, not all the competitors ar stations who rely on the same
> revenue stream. RTE, for example take adverts.
> The prices are not bad if you are a fan, which I am not. I tend to
> think
> that on recent showings of songs, they should pay us to watch and listen
> to it.
>
> I enjoyed it when Katrina and the Waves won it for us, was that the last
> time?
>
>
> The Eurovivision concept maybe missed the boat with its own version of
> the
> talent show format, very well sent up by the Goodies all those years
> ago. The Eurovision raving loony competition.
> Brian

I liked Eurotrash

On 03/03/2023 09:27, Brian Gaff wrote:

> The Eurovivision concept maybe missed the boat with its own version of the
> talent show format, very well sent up by the Goodies all those years ago.
> The Eurovision raving loony competition.
> Brian
>

I've just seen/listened to our entry.
massive amounts of hype
massive amounts of auto-tuning

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On 09/03/2023 21:08, alan_m wrote:
>
> I've just seen/listened to our entry.
> massive amounts of hype
> massive amounts of auto-tuning

As a former amateur musician, I'm unlikely ever to be that interested!

However, I did see a photo of the female singer, and thought: "She looks
almost normal, little or no makeup, no dyed or bleached hair, etc! Good
for you, lass!"

But then I noticed the ridiculous fingernails :-(

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 21:24:58 +0000
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 09/03/2023 21:08, alan_m wrote:
> >
> > I've just seen/listened to our entry.
> > massive amounts of hype
> > massive amounts of auto-tuning
>
> As a former amateur musician, I'm unlikely ever to be that interested!
>
> However, I did see a photo of the female singer, and thought: "She
> looks almost normal, little or no makeup, no dyed or bleached hair,
> etc! Good for you, lass!"
>
> But then I noticed the ridiculous fingernails :-(
>

My reaction was: "Who?". But then, I thought that about last year's
entry, so what do I know, or care, about Eurovision?

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On 10/03/2023 08:53, Davey wrote:
> My reaction was: "Who?". But then, I thought that about last year's
> entry, so what do I know, or care, about Eurovision?

At least she appears to be a real woman, I only saw briefly on the news.
The song seemed very forgettable but that has often been the case with
the Eurovision Song Contest. Only seems to be of interest now to one
minority group.

On 10/03/2023 10:13, MB wrote:
> On 10/03/2023 08:53, Davey wrote:
>> My reaction was: "Who?". But then, I thought that about last year's
>> entry, so what do I know, or care, about Eurovision?
>
>
> At least she appears to be a real woman, I only saw briefly on the news.
> The song seemed very forgettable but that has often been the case with
> the Eurovision Song Contest.  Only seems to be of interest now to one
> minority group.

She was the support act for the Lidl Mix UK tour so probably only
appeals to the 8 to 12 year olds :)

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:58:50 +0000
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 10/03/2023 10:13, MB wrote:
> > On 10/03/2023 08:53, Davey wrote:
> >> My reaction was: "Who?". But then, I thought that about last year's
> >> entry, so what do I know, or care, about Eurovision?
> >
> >
> > At least she appears to be a real woman, I only saw briefly on the
> > news. The song seemed very forgettable but that has often been the
> > case with the Eurovision Song Contest.  Only seems to be of
> > interest now to one minority group.
>
> She was the support act for the Lidl Mix UK tour so probably only
> appeals to the 8 to 12 year olds :)
>

The who?
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