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* WCML Electric GalaAnna Noyd-Dryver
+* WCML Electric GalaAnna Noyd-Dryver
|`* WCML Electric GalaRecliner
| +* WCML Electric GalaAnna Noyd-Dryver
| |`* WCML Electric GalaRecliner
| | `* WCML Electric GalaAnna Noyd-Dryver
| |  `* WCML Electric GalaRecliner
| |   `* WCML Electric GalaRecliner
| |    +* WCML Electric GalaDavid Jones
| |    |`- WCML Electric GalaRecliner
| |    `* WCML Electric GalaRecliner
| |     `* WCML Electric GalaDave Jackson
| |      `* WCML Electric GalaChristopher A. Lee
| |       `* WCML Electric GalaDave Jackson
| |        `* WCML Electric GalaDave Jackson
| |         `* WCML Electric GalaChris J Dixon
| |          `- WCML Electric GalaDave Jackson
| `- WCML Electric GalaBevan Price
`- WCML Electric GalaAnna Noyd-Dryver

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WCML Electric Gala

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Subject: WCML Electric Gala
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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:42 UTC

From a Facebook group:

<quote>

Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
Avanti services,
The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
following Tuesday.
08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
only).

</quote>

Locomotives apparently available for this are
86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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From: ann...@noyd-dryver.com (Anna Noyd-Dryver)
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Subject: Re: WCML Electric Gala
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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 00:32 UTC

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> From a Facebook group:
>
> <quote>
>
> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
> Avanti services,
>
> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
> following Tuesday.
> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
> only).
>
> </quote>
>
> Locomotives apparently available for this are
> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>

Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
HST for the Preston services.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 00:50 UTC

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> From a Facebook group:
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
>> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
>> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
>> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
>> Avanti services,
>>
>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
>> following Tuesday.
>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
>> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
>> only).
>>
>> </quote>
>>
>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>
>
> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
> HST for the Preston services.
>

It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that modern. Surely
it's an LSL set?

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:06 UTC

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> From a Facebook group:
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>>
>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
>>> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
>>> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
>>> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
>>> Avanti services,
>>>
>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
>>> following Tuesday.
>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
>>> only).
>>>
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>>
>>
>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
>> HST for the Preston services.
>>
>
> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that modern. Surely
> it's an LSL set?
>

Yes my mistake; LSL HST on the Manchester runs and WCRC stock with 86s on
the Preston runs.

As a result, apparently the usual Friday Charter will run using Saphos Rail
(red and cream) stock!

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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From: bevanpri...@gmail.com (Bevan Price)
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 by: Bevan Price - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:12 UTC

On 14/09/2022 01:50, Recliner wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> From a Facebook group:
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>>
>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
>>> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
>>> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
>>> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
>>> Avanti services,
>>>
>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
>>> following Tuesday.
>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
>>> only).
>>>
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>>
>>
>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
>> HST for the Preston services.
>>
>
> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that modern. Surely
> it's an LSL set?

Seem to be cancelled today (14 Sept.)

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:36 UTC

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>> From a Facebook group:
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>>
>>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
>>>> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
>>>> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
>>>> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
>>>> Avanti services,
>>>>
>>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
>>>> following Tuesday.
>>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
>>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
>>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
>>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
>>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
>>>> only).
>>>>
>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
>>> HST for the Preston services.
>>>
>>
>> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that modern. Surely
>> it's an LSL set?
>>
>
> Yes my mistake; LSL HST on the Manchester runs and WCRC stock with 86s on
> the Preston runs.

I wonder why any WCRC stock would be needed? LSL has its own, more modern,
Mk 3 loco hauled coaches. I don't think WCRC has anything newer than Mk 2
stock, and I doubt that they'd offer the sumptuous Northern Belle
carriages. The vast majority of WCRC coaches are Mk 1s.

>
> As a result, apparently the usual Friday Charter will run using Saphos Rail
> (red and cream) stock!
>

Also pretty smart.

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:25 UTC

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>> From a Facebook group:
>>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>
>>>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
>>>>> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
>>>>> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
>>>>> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
>>>>> Avanti services,
>>>>>
>>>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
>>>>> following Tuesday.
>>>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
>>>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
>>>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
>>>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
>>>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
>>>>> only).
>>>>>
>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>
>>>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>>>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
>>>> HST for the Preston services.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that modern. Surely
>>> it's an LSL set?
>>>
>>
>> Yes my mistake; LSL HST on the Manchester runs and WCRC stock with 86s on
>> the Preston runs.
>
> I wonder why any WCRC stock would be needed? LSL has its own, more modern,
> Mk 3 loco hauled coaches.

Crewing issues, apparently. So presumably they've subcontracted to WCRC.

> I don't think WCRC has anything newer than Mk 2
> stock, and I doubt that they'd offer the sumptuous Northern Belle
> carriages. The vast majority of WCRC coaches are Mk 1s.
>
>>
>> As a result, apparently the usual Friday Charter will run using Saphos Rail
>> (red and cream) stock!
>>
>
> Also pretty smart.
>

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:33 UTC

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>> From a Facebook group:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
>>>>>> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
>>>>>> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
>>>>>> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
>>>>>> Avanti services,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
>>>>>> following Tuesday.
>>>>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
>>>>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
>>>>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
>>>>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
>>>>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
>>>>>> only).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>>>>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
>>>>> HST for the Preston services.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that modern. Surely
>>>> it's an LSL set?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes my mistake; LSL HST on the Manchester runs and WCRC stock with 86s on
>>> the Preston runs.
>>
>> I wonder why any WCRC stock would be needed? LSL has its own, more modern,
>> Mk 3 loco hauled coaches.
>
> Crewing issues, apparently. So presumably they've subcontracted to WCRC.

So it won't be a 110mph train? Or could WCRC crews operate a train with
LSL stock?

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 by: Recliner - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 22:09 UTC

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> From a Facebook group:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
>>>>>>> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
>>>>>>> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
>>>>>>> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
>>>>>>> Avanti services,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
>>>>>>> following Tuesday.
>>>>>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
>>>>>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
>>>>>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
>>>>>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
>>>>>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
>>>>>>> only).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>>>>>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
>>>>>> HST for the Preston services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that modern. Surely
>>>>> it's an LSL set?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes my mistake; LSL HST on the Manchester runs and WCRC stock with 86s on
>>>> the Preston runs.
>>>
>>> I wonder why any WCRC stock would be needed? LSL has its own, more modern,
>>> Mk 3 loco hauled coaches.
>>
>> Crewing issues, apparently. So presumably they've subcontracted to WCRC.
>
> So it won't be a 110mph train? Or could WCRC crews operate a train with
> LSL stock?
>

Follow-up:

The WCRC services seem to be on Friday and Saturday only. I suspect it's Mk
1 stock hauled by class 47 or 57 top and tailed locos.

<https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U66060/2022-09-16/detailed>

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 by: David Jones - Wed, 14 Sep 2022 23:28 UTC

Recliner wrote:

> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> >> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> >>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> From a Facebook group:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <quote>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on
> behalf of Avanti >>>>>>> West Coast over the coming days to support
> the us throughout the Operation >>>>>>> London Bridge period. The
> trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case >>>>>>> using their
> train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as >>>>>>>
> Avanti services, >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through
> to the >>>>>>> following Tuesday.
> >>>>>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston
> to Manchester >>>>>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London
> Euston, 19:23 London Euston to >>>>>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and
> CRE). >>>>>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to
> Preston and 1405 >>>>>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston
> to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ >>>>>>> only).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> </quote>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
> >>>>>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s
> rumoured), WCRC >>>>>> HST for the Preston services.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that
> modern. Surely >>>>> it's an LSL set?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes my mistake; LSL HST on the Manchester runs and WCRC stock
> with 86s on >>>> the Preston runs.
> >>>
> >>> I wonder why any WCRC stock would be needed? LSL has its own,
> more modern, >>> Mk 3 loco hauled coaches.
> >>
> >> Crewing issues, apparently. So presumably they've subcontracted to
> WCRC.
> >
> > So it won't be a 110mph train? Or could WCRC crews operate a train
> > with LSL stock?
> >
>
> Follow-up:
>
> The WCRC services seem to be on Friday and Saturday only. I suspect
> it's Mk 1 stock hauled by class 47 or 57 top and tailed locos.
>
>
<https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U66060/2022-09-16/detailed>

Answers: "Intercity Trains Back on the West Coast Main Line"
https://youtu.be/UcMd8DLlPJY

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 by: Recliner - Thu, 15 Sep 2022 00:37 UTC

David Jones <dajhawkxx@nowherel.com> wrote:
> Recliner wrote:
>
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> From a Facebook group:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on
>> behalf of Avanti >>>>>>> West Coast over the coming days to support
>> the us throughout the Operation >>>>>>> London Bridge period. The
>> trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case >>>>>>> using their
>> train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as >>>>>>>
>> Avanti services, >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through
>> to the >>>>>>> following Tuesday.
>>>>>>>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston
>> to Manchester >>>>>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London
>> Euston, 19:23 London Euston to >>>>>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and
>> CRE). >>>>>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to
>> Preston and 1405 >>>>>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston
>> to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ >>>>>>> only).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>>>>>>>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s
>> rumoured), WCRC >>>>>> HST for the Preston services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that
>> modern. Surely >>>>> it's an LSL set?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes my mistake; LSL HST on the Manchester runs and WCRC stock
>> with 86s on >>>> the Preston runs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder why any WCRC stock would be needed? LSL has its own,
>> more modern, >>> Mk 3 loco hauled coaches.
>>>>
>>>> Crewing issues, apparently. So presumably they've subcontracted to
>> WCRC.
>>>
>>> So it won't be a 110mph train? Or could WCRC crews operate a train
>>> with LSL stock?
>>>
>>
>> Follow-up:
>>
>> The WCRC services seem to be on Friday and Saturday only. I suspect
>> it's Mk 1 stock hauled by class 47 or 57 top and tailed locos.
>>
>>
> <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U66060/2022-09-16/detailed>
>
> Answers: "Intercity Trains Back on the West Coast Main Line"
> https://youtu.be/UcMd8DLlPJY
>

That's the relatively modern 1980s LSL service. The WCR services hark back
60 years.

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Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> From a Facebook group:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Locomotive Services Ltd will be operating some trains on behalf of Avanti
>>>>>>>> West Coast over the coming days to support the us throughout the Operation
>>>>>>>> London Bridge period. The trains will be operated under LSL’s safety case
>>>>>>>> using their train crews and rolling stock (110mph), but advertised as
>>>>>>>> Avanti services,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The trains will operate as below from this Wednesday through to the
>>>>>>>> following Tuesday.
>>>>>>>> 08:50 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 12:55 London Euston to Manchester
>>>>>>>> Picc and 15:53 Manchester Picc to London Euston, 19:23 London Euston to
>>>>>>>> Manchester Picc (via WML and CRE).
>>>>>>>> 07:30 Preston to London Euston, 10:40 London Euston to Preston and 1405
>>>>>>>> Preston to London Euston, 1730 London Euston to Preston (calls WGN and WBQ
>>>>>>>> only).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Locomotives apparently available for this are
>>>>>>>> 86259/86401/87002/90001/90002.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Electric locos top-n-tail the Manchester set apparently(86s rumoured), WCRC
>>>>>>> HST for the Preston services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can't be an WCRT HST, as it doesn't have anything that modern. Surely
>>>>>> it's an LSL set?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes my mistake; LSL HST on the Manchester runs and WCRC stock with 86s on
>>>>> the Preston runs.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder why any WCRC stock would be needed? LSL has its own, more modern,
>>>> Mk 3 loco hauled coaches.
>>>
>>> Crewing issues, apparently. So presumably they've subcontracted to WCRC.
>>
>> So it won't be a 110mph train? Or could WCRC crews operate a train with
>> LSL stock?
>>
>
> Follow-up:
>
> The WCRC services seem to be on Friday and Saturday only. I suspect it's Mk
> 1 stock hauled by class 47 or 57 top and tailed locos.
>
> <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U66060/2022-09-16/detailed>
>

It now turns out that Avanti wasn't even capable of chartering the WCR
train, so NR stepped in to do it:

<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/15/government-steps-charter-old-fashioned-slam-door-trains-ferry/>

Just curious, is this the first time NR has organised a public passenger
train service? Does this count as the first GBR service?

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 by: Dave Jackson - Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:00 UTC

On 16/09/2022 01:21, Recliner wrote:
> Just curious, is this the first time NR has organised a public passenger
> train service?

NR organised a trip up the Conwy Valley to Blaenau Ffestiniog a couple
of years ago, apparently to celebrate the line's re-opening after
serious flooding. Originally intended for NR employees, it was opened to
the general public, including me. Leander and 48151 handled the train,
although 48151 did most of the work.
A bloke was filming the FR, and switched his attention to the full-size
stock. His video has appeared on TV - and includes an interview with me.
A bit of a shock when somebody shoves a big camera in your face and asks
questions when your mind is concentrating on something else...
--
Dave,
Frodsham

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 by: Christopher A. Lee - Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:16 UTC

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:00:37 +0100, Dave Jackson
<dave@dave-jackson.org.uk> wrote:

>On 16/09/2022 01:21, Recliner wrote:
>> Just curious, is this the first time NR has organised a public passenger
>> train service?
>
> NR organised a trip up the Conwy Valley to Blaenau Ffestiniog a couple
>of years ago, apparently to celebrate the line's re-opening after
>serious flooding. Originally intended for NR employees, it was opened to
>the general public, including me. Leander and 48151 handled the train,
>although 48151 did most of the work.

I'm not surprised - the small driving wheels of the 8f are much better
that the large of the Jubilee,

>A bloke was filming the FR, and switched his attention to the full-size
>stock. His video has appeared on TV - and includes an interview with me.
>A bit of a shock when somebody shoves a big camera in your face and asks
>questions when your mind is concentrating on something else...

Is this video on Youtube?

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 by: Dave Jackson - Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:51 UTC

On 16/09/2022 23:16, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> Is this video on Youtube?

Never thought to check, perhaps I should have a look. People keep
telling me that they've seen me on television, though.

--
Dave,
Frodsham

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 by: Dave Jackson - Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:07 UTC

On 17/09/2022 13:51, Dave Jackson wrote:
> Never thought to check, perhaps I should have a look.

Just had a look at YT, and it's there! Makes a change to be on Youtube
instead of just posting my videos there.
--
Dave,
Frodsham

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 by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:46 UTC

A friend who has been trace on these today, sent me this summary of the
day:

"So as fun as these West Coast and LSL relief trains were, they did appear
to me to be spectacularly pointless. The LSL trains are apparently showing
in journey planners, but they’re showing on station displays as ‘charter
train’ which isn’t ideal for the general public. There only seemed to be a
small handful of passengers who weren’t just nerds along for the ride. The
West Coast trains were not showing in journey planners, were not showing on
station displays at all, and I didn’t see anyone who seemed to just be a
normal passenger. At least from WBQ where I got on, the first any member
of the general public would have known about it was from the manual
announcement as it arrived saying it was a ‘special charter train’ which
was available to ‘Avanti ticket holders’."

"I don’t understand how whoever planned it expected the travelling public
to learn about these trains so they might actually travel on them. Maybe
the logic was ‘if we advertise it loads of enthusiasts will show up’, but
surely not advertising it ensures that it will only be enthusiasts who show
up."

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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 by: Chris J Dixon - Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:23 UTC

Dave Jackson wrote:

>On 17/09/2022 13:51, Dave Jackson wrote:
>> Never thought to check, perhaps I should have a look.
>
>Just had a look at YT, and it's there! Makes a change to be on Youtube
>instead of just posting my videos there.

Give us a clue - perhaps a link. ;-)

Chris
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chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

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 by: Dave Jackson - Sun, 18 Sep 2022 15:39 UTC

On 18/09/2022 08:23, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Just had a look at YT, and it's there! Makes a change to be on Youtube
>> instead of just posting my videos there.

> Give us a clue - perhaps a link. 😉

Sorry, didn't note the URL. However my search started with "Blaenau
Ffestiniog 3rd August 2019". Quite a few videos, but this one was about
9 mins long (IIRC)
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