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* Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
+* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Rod Speed
|+* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
||`* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Rod Speed
|| `* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Max
||  +* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Rod Speed
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||  | +- Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
||  | `* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Rod Speed
||  |  `* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Max
||  |   `- Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Rod Speed
||  `- Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Petzl
|`* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Petzl
| `* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
|  `- Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Petzl
+* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Peter Jason
|`- Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
+* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Sylvia Else
|`* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
| `* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Rod Speed
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|  | `* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
|  |  `- Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Rod Speed
|  `* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
|   `- Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Rod Speed
`* Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Falscher Bruce
 +- Re: Voter ID at next Federal election ?Phil Allison
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Hi,

the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration before voting. But why ??
Thought this would never happen here.
As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for a problem"

Voting is a simple task but behind which many complexities exist that help
preserve democracy. Luckily, Australia has long had the most democratic voting system the world.

Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the issues most other countries suffer from. Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst systems.

We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries by being easily able to detect occurrences while cross checking rolls after election day. This is *standard practice* done to find those who failed to vote.
It also means voters do not need to self identify for the count to be accurate.

FYI:
When multiple votes are found they invariably turn out to be mistakes made by election staffers or very confused voters. Not one person was prosecuted for this offence after last federal election.
About 5% of voters were sent notices for not voting, requiring an explanation from them or paying a fine.

...... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 22:21 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote

> the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration
> before voting.

> But why ??

Because the dregs of the voters who are more likely to vote labor
or one notion or for palmer's fools are less likely to have ID and
cant even sign, can only make their mark, stupid.

> Thought this would never happen here.

More fool you.

> As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for a
> problem"

> Voting is a simple task but behind which many
> complexities exist that help preserve democracy.

But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be voting.

> Luckily, Australia has long had the most democratic voting system the
> world.

BULLSHIT.

> Combining compulsion

Nothing democratic about that.

> with proportional vote counting solves all
> the issues most other countries suffer from.

More mindless bullshit.

> Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst systems.

> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
> by being easily able to detect occurrences while
> cross checking rolls after election day.

But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.

> This is *standard practice* done to find those who failed to vote.

But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.

> It also means voters do not need to self identify for the count to be
> accurate.

But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.

> FYI:
> When multiple votes are found they invariably turn out to be mistakes
> made by election staffers or very confused voters. Not one person was
> prosecuted for this offence after last federal election.

But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.

> About 5% of voters were sent notices for not voting, requiring an
> explanation from them or paying a fine.

But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.

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Rod Speed wrote:
===============
>
> > the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration
> > before voting.
>
> > But why ??

( snip Rodbot insanity)

> > Voting is a simple task but behind which many
> > complexities exist that help preserve democracy.
>
> But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be voting.

** Gotta be dead for that.

> > Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all
> > the issues most other countries suffer from.
> > Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst systems.
>
> > We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
> > by being easily able to detect occurrences while
> > cross checking rolls after election day.

> But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.

** ROTFL - who are they ?

Why are they not voting and how do you know for sure ?

...... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:26 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> the coalition intend to make voters produce
>>> ID or sign a declaration before voting.

>>> But why ??

>> Because the dregs of the voters who are more likely to vote
>> labor or one notion or for palmer's fools are less likely to have
>> ID and cant even sign, can only make their mark, stupid.

> ( snip Rodbot insanity)

Nothing insane about that, its what all conservative partys do, fuckwit.

>>> Voting is a simple task but behind which many
>>> complexities exist that help preserve democracy.

>> But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be voting.

> Gotta be dead for that.

Or pay them for their vote and vote for them so they can't welsh on who they
vote for.

>>> Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all
>>> the issues most other countries suffer from.

>>> Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst systems.

>>> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
>>> by being easily able to detect occurrences while
>>> cross checking rolls after election day.

>> But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.

> who are they ?

Those who have sold their vote in very marginal seats, fuckwit.

> Why are they not voting

Because they are dead, cant be bothered to vote, or get paid for their vote.

> and how do you know for sure ?

Don’t need to to ensure its impossible to do that
and fuck over the partys the dregs vote for.

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 by: Max - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:44 UTC

On 29/10/2021 11:26 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>> the coalition intend to make voters produce
>>>> ID or sign a declaration before voting.
>
>>>> But why ??
>
>>> Because the dregs of the voters who are more likely to vote
>>> labor or one notion or for palmer's fools are less likely to have
>>> ID and cant even sign, can only make their mark, stupid.
>
>> ( snip Rodbot insanity)
>
> Nothing insane about that, its what all conservative partys do, fuckwit.
>
>>>> Voting is a simple task but behind which many
>>>> complexities exist that help preserve democracy.
>
>>> But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be voting.
>
>> Gotta be dead for that.
>
> Or pay them for their vote and vote for them so they can't welsh on who
> they vote for.
>
>>>> Combining compulsion  with proportional vote counting solves all
>>>> the issues most other countries suffer from.
>
>>>> Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst systems.
>
>>>> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
>>>> by being easily able to detect occurrences while
>>>> cross checking rolls after election day.
>
>>> But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.
>
>> who are they  ?
>
> Those who have sold their vote in very marginal seats, fuckwit.
>
>> Why are they not voting
>
> Because they are dead, cant be bothered to vote, or get paid for their
> vote.
>
>> and how do you know for sure ?
>
> Don’t need to to ensure its impossible to do that
> and fuck over the partys the dregs vote for.

"dregs" is not a nice way to describe people who might be disadvantaged
or disabled etc.

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:58 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>> the coalition intend to make voters produce
>>>>> ID or sign a declaration before voting.

>>>>> But why ??

>>>> Because the dregs of the voters who are more likely to vote
>>>> labor or one notion or for palmer's fools are less likely to have
>>>> ID and cant even sign, can only make their mark, stupid.

>>> ( snip Rodbot insanity)

>> Nothing insane about that, its what all conservative partys do, fuckwit.

>>>>> Voting is a simple task but behind which many
>>>>> complexities exist that help preserve democracy.

>>>> But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be voting.

>>> Gotta be dead for that.

>> Or pay them for their vote and vote for them so they can't welsh on who
>> they vote for.

>>>>> Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the
>>>>> issues most other countries suffer from.

>>>>> Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst systems.

>>>>> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
>>>>> by being easily able to detect occurrences while
>>>>> cross checking rolls after election day.

>>>> But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.

>>> who are they ?

>> Those who have sold their vote in very marginal seats, fuckwit.

>>> Why are they not voting

>> Because they are dead, cant be bothered to vote, or get paid for their
>> vote.

>>> and how do you know for sure ?

>> Don’t need to to ensure its impossible to do that
>> and fuck over the partys the dregs vote for.

> "dregs" is not a nice way to describe people who might be disadvantaged or
> disabled etc.

I call a spade a spade and dregs dregs. You get to like that or lump it.

There is no reason why the dregs would be more
likely to be disadvantaged or disabled etc.

Tho certainly the disabled would be more likely to be dead.

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 by: Peter Jason - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:43 UTC

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 15:06:57 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration before voting. But why ??

Screaminly obvious to any non-Neanderthal living person: it's because
of efficiency and progress.
One day they'll do the obvious and produce an Australia Card, or at
least a mug shot on the Medicare card.

Jesus wept!

Wake up Australia!

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 by: Phil Allison - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 01:57 UTC

Peter Jason Lunatic wrote:
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> >
> >the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration before voting. But why ??
>
> Screaminly obvious to any non-Neanderthal living person: it's because
> of efficiency and progress.
>

** Screamingly obvious bullshit.

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 by: Max - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 02:40 UTC

On 29/10/2021 11:58 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>>> the coalition intend to make voters produce
>>>>>> ID or sign a declaration before voting.
>
>>>>>> But why ??
>
>>>>> Because the dregs of the voters who are more likely to vote
>>>>> labor or one notion or for palmer's fools are less likely to have
>>>>> ID and cant even sign, can only make their mark, stupid.
>
>>>> ( snip Rodbot insanity)
>
>>> Nothing insane about that, its what all conservative partys do, fuckwit.
>
>>>>>> Voting is a simple task but behind which many
>>>>>> complexities exist that help preserve democracy.
>
>>>>> But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be voting.
>
>>>> Gotta be dead for that.
>
>>> Or pay them for their vote and vote for them so they can't welsh on
>>> who they vote for.
>
>>>>>> Combining compulsion  with proportional vote counting solves all
>>>>>> the issues most other countries suffer from.
>
>>>>>> Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst
>>>>>> systems.
>
>>>>>> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
>>>>>> by being easily able to detect occurrences while
>>>>>> cross checking rolls after election day.
>
>>>>> But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.
>
>>>> who are they  ?
>
>>> Those who have sold their vote in very marginal seats, fuckwit.
>
>>>> Why are they not voting
>
>>> Because they are dead, cant be bothered to vote, or get paid for
>>> their vote.
>
>>>> and how do you know for sure ?
>
>>> Don’t need to to ensure its impossible to do that
>>> and fuck over the partys the dregs vote for.
>
>> "dregs" is not a nice way to describe people who might be
>> disadvantaged or disabled etc.
>
> I call a spade a spade and dregs dregs. You get to like that or lump it.
>
> There is no reason why the dregs would be more
> likely to be disadvantaged or disabled etc.
>

Absolute rubbish. People are dregs quite often because they are
disadvantaged or disabled.

> Tho certainly the disabled would be more likely to be dead.

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Fuck Off Max wrote:
=================
>
> Absolute rubbish. People are dregs quite often because they are
> disadvantaged or disabled.
>

** Which one is your excuse - arsehole ?

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 by: Sylvia Else - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 03:31 UTC

On 29-Oct-21 9:06 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration before voting. But why ??
> Thought this would never happen here.
> As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for a problem"
>
> Voting is a simple task but behind which many complexities exist that help
> preserve democracy. Luckily, Australia has long had the most democratic voting system the world.
>
> Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the issues most other countries suffer from. Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst systems.
>
> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries by being easily able to detect occurrences while cross checking rolls after election day. This is *standard practice* done to find those who failed to vote.
> It also means voters do not need to self identify for the count to be accurate.
>
> FYI:
> When multiple votes are found they invariably turn out to be mistakes made by election staffers or very confused voters. Not one person was prosecuted for this offence after last federal election.
> About 5% of voters were sent notices for not voting, requiring an explanation from them or paying a fine.
>
>
> ..... Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
This nonsense has been going on in the USA for ages. The idea is to
disenfranchise those voters who are more likely to vote for the
opposition. The politicians pushing for this should be ashamed of
themselves, and have no business being members of parliament in a democracy.

Sylvia.

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 03:40 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>>>> the coalition intend to make voters produce
>>>>>>> ID or sign a declaration before voting.
>>
>>>>>>> But why ??
>>
>>>>>> Because the dregs of the voters who are more likely to vote
>>>>>> labor or one notion or for palmer's fools are less likely to have
>>>>>> ID and cant even sign, can only make their mark, stupid.
>>
>>>>> ( snip Rodbot insanity)
>>
>>>> Nothing insane about that, its what all conservative partys do,
>>>> fuckwit.
>>
>>>>>>> Voting is a simple task but behind which many
>>>>>>> complexities exist that help preserve democracy.
>>
>>>>>> But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be voting.
>>
>>>>> Gotta be dead for that.
>>
>>>> Or pay them for their vote and vote for them so they can't welsh on who
>>>> they vote for.
>>
>>>>>>> Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the
>>>>>>> issues most other countries suffer from.
>>
>>>>>>> Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst
>>>>>>> systems.
>>
>>>>>>> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
>>>>>>> by being easily able to detect occurrences while
>>>>>>> cross checking rolls after election day.
>>
>>>>>> But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be voting.
>>
>>>>> who are they ?
>>
>>>> Those who have sold their vote in very marginal seats, fuckwit.
>>
>>>>> Why are they not voting
>>
>>>> Because they are dead, cant be bothered to vote, or get paid for their
>>>> vote.
>>
>>>>> and how do you know for sure ?
>>
>>>> Don’t need to to ensure its impossible to do that
>>>> and fuck over the partys the dregs vote for.
>>
>>> "dregs" is not a nice way to describe people who might be disadvantaged
>>> or disabled etc.
>>
>> I call a spade a spade and dregs dregs. You get to like that or lump it.
>>
>> There is no reason why the dregs would be more
>> likely to be disadvantaged or disabled etc.

> Absolute rubbish.

Your sig is sposed to be last with a line with just -- on it in front of it,
fuckwit child.

> People are dregs quite often because they are disadvantaged or disabled.

Bullshit, as always from the dregs like you.

>> Tho certainly the disabled would be more likely to be dead.
>

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 by: Phil Allison - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 04:28 UTC

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:31:35 PM UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 29-Oct-21 9:06 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration before voting. But why ??
> > Thought this would never happen here.
> > As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for a problem"
> >
> > Voting is a simple task but behind which many complexities exist that help
> > preserve democracy. Luckily, Australia has long had the most democratic voting system the world.
> >
> > Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the issues most other countries suffer from. Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst systems.
> >
> > We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries by being easily able to detect occurrences while cross checking rolls after election day. This is *standard practice* done to find those who failed to vote.
> > It also means voters do not need to self identify for the count to be accurate.
> >
> > FYI:
> > When multiple votes are found they invariably turn out to be mistakes made by election staffers or very confused voters.
> > Not one person was prosecuted for this offence after last federal election.
> > About 5% of voters were sent notices for not voting, requiring an explanation from them or paying a fine.
> > >
>
> This nonsense has been going on in the USA for ages.

** False example.

The absurd US voting system is wide open to voter fraud due to non compulsory voting and rampant mail voting scams.

>The idea is to disenfranchise those voters who are more likely to vote for the
> opposition.

** Not here it ain't, that is an absolute lie.


...... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 05:23 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Sylvia Else wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote

>> > the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration
>> > before voting. But why ??
>> > Thought this would never happen here.
>> > As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for a
>> > problem"
>> >
>> > Voting is a simple task but behind which many complexities exist that
>> > help
>> > preserve democracy. Luckily, Australia has long had the most democratic
>> > voting system the world.
>> >
>> > Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the
>> > issues most other countries suffer from. Including in the UK and
>> > especially the USA who have the worst systems.
>> >
>> > We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries by being easily able to
>> > detect occurrences while cross checking rolls after election day. This
>> > is *standard practice* done to find those who failed to vote.
>> > It also means voters do not need to self identify for the count to be
>> > accurate.
>> >
>> > FYI:
>> > When multiple votes are found they invariably turn out to be mistakes
>> > made by election staffers or very confused voters.
>> > Not one person was prosecuted for this offence after last federal
>> > election.
>> > About 5% of voters were sent notices for not voting, requiring an
>> > explanation from them or paying a fine.
>> > >
>>
>> This nonsense has been going on in the USA for ages.
>
> False example.

> The absurd US voting system is wide open to voter fraud

Yes, but so is ours.

> due to non compulsory voting and rampant mail voting scams.

We have the same rampant mail voting scams.

>>The idea is to disenfranchise those voters who are more likely to vote for
>>the
>> opposition.

> Not here it ain't, that is an absolute lie.

Bullshit it is. The dregs mostly vote labor, one notion
or for one of Palmer's clowns or for independent.

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 by: Max - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 06:08 UTC

On 29/10/2021 4:23 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>
>>> > the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a
>>> declaration > before voting. But why ??
>>> > Thought this would never happen here.
>>> > As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for
>>> a > problem"
>>> >
>>> > Voting is a simple task but behind which many complexities exist
>>> that > help
>>> > preserve democracy. Luckily, Australia has long had the most
>>> democratic > voting system the world.
>>> >
>>> > Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the
>>> > issues most other countries suffer from. Including in the UK and >
>>> especially the USA who have the worst systems.
>>> >
>>> > We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries by being easily able
>>> to > detect occurrences while cross checking rolls after election
>>> day. This > is *standard practice* done to find those who failed to
>>> vote.
>>> > It also means voters do not need to self identify for the count to
>>> be > accurate.
>>> >
>>> > FYI:
>>> > When multiple votes are found they invariably turn out to be
>>> mistakes > made by election staffers or very confused voters.
>>> > Not one person was prosecuted for this offence after last federal >
>>> election.
>>> > About 5% of voters were sent notices for not voting, requiring an >
>>> explanation from them or paying a fine.
>>> >  >
>>>
>>> This nonsense has been going on in the USA for ages.
>>
>> False example.
>
>> The absurd US voting system is wide open to voter fraud
>
> Yes, but so is ours.
>
>> due to non compulsory voting and rampant mail voting scams.
>
> We have the same rampant mail voting scams.
>
>>> The idea is to disenfranchise those voters who are more likely to
>>> vote for the
>>> opposition.
>
>> Not here it ain't,  that is an absolute lie.
>
> Bullshit it is. The dregs mostly vote labor, one notion
> or for one of Palmer's clowns or for independent.
>
>

What do you mean by "dregs"?

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Rod Idiot Ex-Speed Cop PSYCHOPATH wrote:

========-----====================
>>
> >> > Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the
> >> > issues most other countries suffer from. Including in the UK and
> >> > especially the USA who have the worst systems.
> >> >
> >> > We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries by being easily able to
> >> > detect occurrences while cross checking rolls after election day. This
> >> > is *standard practice* done to find those who failed to vote.
> >> > It also means voters do not need to self identify for the count to be
> >> > accurate.
> >> >
> >> > FYI:
> >> > When multiple votes are found they invariably turn out to be mistakes
> >> > made by election staffers or very confused voters.
> >> > Not one person was prosecuted for this offence after last federal
> >> > election.
> > > >
> >>
> >> This nonsense has been going on in the USA for ages.
> >
> > False example.
>
> > The absurd US voting system is wide open to voter fraud

> Yes, but so is ours.

** Same old Speedbot mindless bullshit.

> > due to non compulsory voting and rampant mail voting scams.
>
> We have the same rampant mail voting scams.

** Eeerrrr - no.

> >>The idea is to disenfranchise those voters who are more likely to vote for
> >>the opposition.
>
> > Not here it ain't, that is an absolute lie.

** The coalition's idea will do nothing of the sort.

...... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:23 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>>> Phil Allison wrote

>>>> > the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a
>>>> declaration > before voting. But why ??
>>>> > Thought this would never happen here.
>>>> > As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for
>>>> a > problem"
>>>> >
>>>> > Voting is a simple task but behind which many complexities exist
>>>> that > help
>>>> > preserve democracy. Luckily, Australia has long had the most
>>>> democratic > voting system the world.
>>>> >
>>>> > Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all the
>>>> > issues most other countries suffer from. Including in the UK and >
>>>> especially the USA who have the worst systems.
>>>> >
>>>> > We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries by being easily able
>>>> to > detect occurrences while cross checking rolls after election day.
>>>> This > is *standard practice* done to find those who failed to vote.
>>>> > It also means voters do not need to self identify for the count to
>>>> be > accurate.
>>>> >
>>>> > FYI:
>>>> > When multiple votes are found they invariably turn out to be
>>>> mistakes > made by election staffers or very confused voters.
>>>> > Not one person was prosecuted for this offence after last federal >
>>>> election.
>>>> > About 5% of voters were sent notices for not voting, requiring an >
>>>> explanation from them or paying a fine.
>>>> > >
>>>>
>>>> This nonsense has been going on in the USA for ages.
>>>
>>> False example.
>>
>>> The absurd US voting system is wide open to voter fraud
>>
>> Yes, but so is ours.
>>
>>> due to non compulsory voting and rampant mail voting scams.
>>
>> We have the same rampant mail voting scams.
>>
>>>> The idea is to disenfranchise those voters who are more likely to vote
>>>> for the opposition.
>>
>>> Not here it ain't, that is an absolute lie.
>>
>> Bullshit it is. The dregs mostly vote labor, one notion
>> or for one of Palmer's clowns or for independent.

> What do you mean by "dregs"?

The dregs of the voters who don’t have ID.

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:28 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

<reams of Philshit flushed where it belongs>

Whoops, nothing left. Wota surprise.

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Rod Speedbot Lunatic wrote:
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>
> >> Bullshit it is. The dregs mostly vote labor, one notion
> >> or for one of Palmer's clowns or for independent.
>
> > What do you mean by "dregs"?
>
> The dregs of the voters who don’t have ID.
>

** Only voters who may have no usable ID at all mostly live in shanty towns in outback Qld.

So are we to believe an ex NSW highway cop & life long arsehole thinks THEY are the very ones who vote for Pauline and Clive.
Plus do so in such large numbers they must be permanently shut down by white supremist Libs.

Quite a unique world view ?
Who woulda thunk ???

Bet Pauline and Clive don't.
Both allegedly rabid racists AFAIK.

Please explain ?????

....... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 16:52 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> Bullshit it is. The dregs mostly vote labor, one notion
>>>> or for one of Palmer's clowns or for independent.

>>> What do you mean by "dregs"?

>> The dregs of the voters who don’t have ID.

> Only voters who may have no usable ID at all mostly live in shanty towns
> in outback Qld.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

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 by: Max - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 22:51 UTC

On 29/10/2021 2:40 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>>>>> the coalition intend to make voters produce
>>>>>>>> ID or sign a declaration before voting.
>>>
>>>>>>>> But why ??
>>>
>>>>>>> Because the dregs of the voters who are more likely to vote
>>>>>>> labor or one notion or for palmer's fools are less likely to have
>>>>>>> ID and cant even sign, can only make their mark, stupid.
>>>
>>>>>> ( snip Rodbot insanity)
>>>
>>>>> Nothing insane about that, its what all conservative partys do,
>>>>> fuckwit.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Voting is a simple task but behind which many
>>>>>>>> complexities exist that help preserve democracy.
>>>
>>>>>>> But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be
>>>>>>> voting.
>>>
>>>>>> Gotta be dead for that.
>>>
>>>>> Or pay them for their vote and vote for them so they can't welsh on
>>>>> who they vote for.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Combining compulsion  with proportional vote counting solves all
>>>>>>>> the issues most other countries suffer from.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst
>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>
>>>>>>>> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
>>>>>>>> by being easily able to detect occurrences while
>>>>>>>> cross checking rolls after election day.
>>>
>>>>>>> But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be
>>>>>>> voting.
>>>
>>>>>> who are they  ?
>>>
>>>>> Those who have sold their vote in very marginal seats, fuckwit.
>>>
>>>>>> Why are they not voting
>>>
>>>>> Because they are dead, cant be bothered to vote, or get paid for
>>>>> their vote.
>>>
>>>>>> and how do you know for sure ?
>>>
>>>>> Don’t need to to ensure its impossible to do that
>>>>> and fuck over the partys the dregs vote for.
>>>
>>>> "dregs" is not a nice way to describe people who might be
>>>> disadvantaged or disabled etc.
>>>
>>> I call a spade a spade and dregs dregs. You get to like that or lump it.
>>>
>>> There is no reason why the dregs would be more
>>> likely to be disadvantaged or disabled etc.
>
>> Absolute rubbish.
>
> Your sig is sposed to be last with a line with just -- on it in front of
> it, fuckwit child.
>
>> People are dregs quite often because they are disadvantaged or disabled.
>
> Bullshit, as always from the dregs like you.
>

How do you know that I am not disabled or disadvantaged?

>>> Tho certainly the disabled would be more likely to be dead.
>>

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 01:30 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>>>>>> the coalition intend to make voters produce
>>>>>>>>> ID or sign a declaration before voting.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But why ??
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because the dregs of the voters who are more likely to vote
>>>>>>>> labor or one notion or for palmer's fools are less likely to have
>>>>>>>> ID and cant even sign, can only make their mark, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>>>> ( snip Rodbot insanity)
>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing insane about that, its what all conservative partys do,
>>>>>> fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Voting is a simple task but behind which many
>>>>>>>>> complexities exist that help preserve democracy.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But without ID you can pretend to be someone you know wont be
>>>>>>>> voting.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Gotta be dead for that.
>>>>
>>>>>> Or pay them for their vote and vote for them so they can't welsh on
>>>>>> who they vote for.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Combining compulsion with proportional vote counting solves all
>>>>>>>>> the issues most other countries suffer from.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Including in the UK and especially the USA who have the worst
>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We avoid multiple and impostor voting worries
>>>>>>>>> by being easily able to detect occurrences while
>>>>>>>>> cross checking rolls after election day.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But does nothing about voting for others who you know wont be
>>>>>>>> voting.
>>>>
>>>>>>> who are they ?
>>>>
>>>>>> Those who have sold their vote in very marginal seats, fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are they not voting
>>>>
>>>>>> Because they are dead, cant be bothered to vote, or get paid for
>>>>>> their vote.
>>>>
>>>>>>> and how do you know for sure ?
>>>>
>>>>>> Don’t need to to ensure its impossible to do that
>>>>>> and fuck over the partys the dregs vote for.
>>>>
>>>>> "dregs" is not a nice way to describe people who might be
>>>>> disadvantaged or disabled etc.
>>>>
>>>> I call a spade a spade and dregs dregs. You get to like that or lump
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> There is no reason why the dregs would be more
>>>> likely to be disadvantaged or disabled etc.
>>
>>> Absolute rubbish.
>>
>> Your sig is sposed to be last with a line with just -- on it in front of
>> it, fuckwit child.
>>
>>> People are dregs quite often because they are disadvantaged or disabled.
>>
>> Bullshit, as always from the dregs like you.

> How do you know that I am not disabled

Its obvious that you are, between the ears.

> or disadvantaged?

Its obvious that you are, due to the problem between your ears.

>>>> Tho certainly the disabled would be more likely to be dead.

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On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 6:06:58 AM UTC+8, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration before voting. But why ??
> Thought this would never happen here.
> As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for a problem"
>
Seems they are copying the seppo GOP, who have gone for voter suppression after being shocked that formerly redneck states like Georgia flipped to Democrat.

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> > Hi,
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> > the coalition intend to make voters produce ID or sign a declaration before voting. But why ??
> > Thought this would never happen here.
> > As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for a problem"
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> Seems they are copying the seppo GOP,
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** Nope - that is completely wrong.

All registered voters will be accepted under the idea.

....... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 17:23 UTC

Falscher Bruce <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote
> palli...@gmail.com wrote

>> the coalition intend to make voters produce ID
>> or sign a declaration before voting. But why ??

>> Thought this would never happen here.

>> As opponents have rightly pointed out it's a " solution looking for a
>> problem"

> Seems they are copying the seppo GOP, who have gone for voter suppression

Not possible to suppress voters here given that voting is compulsory.

> after being shocked that formerly redneck states like Georgia flipped to
> Democrat.

But that doesn’t happen here.

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