Can I just offer this thought, as the owner of an EV?

BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA...

<draws breath>

BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...

Ahem.

Now, tell me again about this "range anxiety" thing?

--
WUN

On 26/09/2021 22:52, WUN wrote:
> Can I just offer this thought, as the owner of an EV?
>
> BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA...
>
> <draws breath>
>
> BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
>
> Ahem.
>
> Now, tell me again about this "range anxiety" thing?
>

Is your new motorhome an EV?

--
ExSprintRS

On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 11:16:36 PM UTC+1, Rick Brown wrote:
> On 26/09/2021 22:52, WUN wrote:
> > Can I just offer this thought, as the owner of an EV?
> >
> > BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA...
> >
> > <draws breath>
> >
> > BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
> >
> > Ahem.
> >
> > Now, tell me again about this "range anxiety" thing?
> >
> Is your new motorhome an EV?

Nope.

It's a non-essential toy. If the arseholes are making it too hard to go out to play, we'll
stay home. :-)

--
WUN

On 9/26/2021 3:16 PM, Rick Brown wrote:
> On 26/09/2021 22:52, WUN wrote:
>> Can I just offer this thought, as the owner of an EV?
>>
>> BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA...
>>
>> <draws breath>
>>
>> BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
>>
>> Ahem.
>>
>> Now, tell me again about this "range anxiety" thing?
>>
>
> Is your new motorhome an EV?
>
One of the guys I drink with a the cafe' owns a Prius. Likes it a lot.
But he's also buying a new Corvette Stingray. (Buying, as in paid for,
but delivery depends on microchip supply out of Taiwan, so who knows
when.) He's a Republican and complains about taxes, so I keep on his
case about spending twice as much as most Americans make, on a toy.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT)
posting-account=CHnAUgoAAACrsbEURtekpltI0uzeRe7R, WUN
<nigel.eaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>Can I just offer this thought, as the owner of an EV?
>
>BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA...
>
><draws breath>
>
>BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
>
>Ahem.

So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
> So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?
>

Plenty of fuel in the refineries, the problem is a shortage of
delivery truck drivers made worse by panic buying.
The cunts are emptying every garage to top off their tanks.
Once they all have full tanks sitting ubused on the driveway the
panic should clear up but it will take a while to fill up
the garages.

--
http://www.netunix.com/

On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:13:13 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?

The is an underlying problem with fuel deliveries to forecourts,
although my understanding is that it was "manageable"

But, in a perfect example of the Tragedy of the Commons, the huge
number of people acting only in their self-interest (I read that
petrol stations were recording sales 500% higher than normal) has
turned it into a full blown crisis
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Ace wrote:

>
> So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?

Panic buying provoked by the media and general stupidity.

On the up side the media reckons christmasa will have to be cancelled.

Champ wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:13:13 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
> > So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?
>
> The is an underlying problem with fuel deliveries to forecourts,
> although my understanding is that it was "manageable"
>
> But, in a perfect example of the Tragedy of the Commons, the huge
> number of people acting only in their self-interest (I read that
> petrol stations were recording sales 500% higher than normal) has
> turned it into a full blown crisis

There was a BBC report from a Manchester forecourt where sales last
friday went up to 28,000 ltrs from a normal daily average of 8,000
ltrs. Extrapolating that across the UK there's no wonder ther's a
supply problem as they're not geared up for this huge increase in
demand.

On Monday, 27 September 2021 at 13:57:09 UTC+1, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:13:13 +0200, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
>
> >So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?
> The is an underlying problem with fuel deliveries to forecourts,
> although my understanding is that it was "manageable"
>
> But, in a perfect example of the Tragedy of the Commons, the huge
> number of people acting only in their self-interest (I read that
> petrol stations were recording sales 500% higher than normal) has
> turned it into a full blown crisis

There's also this:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/26/uk-essar-energy-second-biggest-oil-refinery-on-brink-of-collapse-reports

But as you say, there is a problem with deliveries which is no doubt caused by a lack of HGV drivers and potentially people leaving the fuel distribution for a 'golden hello' from Tesco or whoever of up to 2k.

On 27/09/2021 13:57, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:13:13 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>> So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?

It's real enough if you need to get to work (I don't) whether it's panic
or other.

I'll wait another while before getting fuel for the car, although I was
caught out on Friday on the Yamaha and queued for 10 minutes to get the
last 20 miles home, though I suspect the reserve count down lies to me
as I was only 186 miles on the trip.

>
> The is an underlying problem with fuel deliveries to forecourts,
> although my understanding is that it was "manageable"
>
> But, in a perfect example of the Tragedy of the Commons, the huge
> number of people acting only in their self-interest

Yes and that's so true of many of our current problems exacerbated by
the ability of a small part of the population to have such a
disproportionate effect on the commons.

The funny thing is commons in England were regulated by groups of
commoners who recognised the common benefit early on whereas global
society has not been able to address it in the commons of air, water,
environment etc. despite the problem being well recognised.

On 27/09/2021 13:13, Ace wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT)
> posting-account=CHnAUgoAAACrsbEURtekpltI0uzeRe7R, WUN
> <nigel.eaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can I just offer this thought, as the owner of an EV?
>>
>> BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA...
>>
>> <draws breath>
>>
>> BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
>>
>> Ahem.
>
> So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?
>

There is no fuel shortage. Just delivery issues, probably due to some
HGV drivers playing with motorbikes and injuring them selves :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
https://the-ytc1-shed.blogspot.com/ Deprected(http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/)
There *is* an alternative! https://www.libreoffice.org/

On 27/09/2021 14:30, crn@nospam.com wrote:
> Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>
>> So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?
>>
>
> Plenty of fuel in the refineries, the problem is a shortage of
> delivery truck drivers made worse by panic buying.
> The cunts are emptying every garage to top off their tanks.
> Once they all have full tanks sitting ubused on the driveway the
> panic should clear up but it will take a while to fill up
> the garages.

Just like bog rolls.

On 27/09/2021 20:30 crn@nospam.com penned these words:
> Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>
>> So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?
>>
>
> Plenty of fuel in the refineries, the problem is a shortage of
> delivery truck drivers made worse by panic buying.
> The cunts are emptying every garage to top off their tanks.
> Once they all have full tanks sitting ubused on the driveway the
> panic should clear up but it will take a while to fill up
> the garages.
>
What is needed is useless ration cards to go with useless blue passports then
the gammon will be truly ecstatic.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:17:23 +0800, Boots
<news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:

>> Plenty of fuel in the refineries, the problem is a shortage of
>> delivery truck drivers made worse by panic buying.
>> The cunts are emptying every garage to top off their tanks.
>> Once they all have full tanks sitting ubused on the driveway the
>> panic should clear up but it will take a while to fill up
>> the garages.
>What is needed is useless ration cards to go with useless blue passports then
>the gammon will be truly ecstatic.

<applause>
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 26/09/2021 22:52, WUN wrote:
> Can I just offer this thought, as the owner of an EV?
>
> BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA...
>
> <draws breath>
>
> BWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
>
> Ahem.
>
> Now, tell me again about this "range anxiety" thing?
>

Just dropped in to a station to fill the bike, 10 min wait and then the
bint in front of me put in £10.02. £10! And she struggled to get that
last drop in.

Guy at the next pump filling his (work) truck just shook is head.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
https://the-ytc1-shed.blogspot.com/ Deprected(http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/)
There *is* an alternative! https://www.libreoffice.org/

On 27/09/2021 15:54, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Monday, 27 September 2021 at 13:57:09 UTC+1, Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:13:13 +0200, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?
>> The is an underlying problem with fuel deliveries to forecourts,
>> although my understanding is that it was "manageable"
>>
>> But, in a perfect example of the Tragedy of the Commons, the huge
>> number of people acting only in their self-interest (I read that
>> petrol stations were recording sales 500% higher than normal) has
>> turned it into a full blown crisis
>
> There's also this:
> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/26/uk-essar-energy-second-biggest-oil-refinery-on-brink-of-collapse-reports
>
> But as you say, there is a problem with deliveries which is no doubt caused by a lack of HGV drivers and potentially people leaving the fuel distribution for a 'golden hello' from Tesco or whoever of up to 2k.

I thought that tanker drivers get paid quite a bit more than HGV
drivers, as they need not just an HGV licence but additional
qualifications to drive tankers.

In article <irhldjFf3g0U3@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
says...
>
> On 27/09/2021 15:54, Stephen Packer wrote:
> > On Monday, 27 September 2021 at 13:57:09 UTC+1, Champ wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:13:13 +0200, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So is this UK fuel shortage real or just a result of panic buying?
> >> The is an underlying problem with fuel deliveries to forecourts,
> >> although my understanding is that it was "manageable"
> >>
> >> But, in a perfect example of the Tragedy of the Commons, the huge
> >> number of people acting only in their self-interest (I read that
> >> petrol stations were recording sales 500% higher than normal) has
> >> turned it into a full blown crisis
> >
> > There's also this:
> > https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/26/uk-essar-energy-second-biggest-oil-refinery-on-brink-of-collapse-reports
> >
> > But as you say, there is a problem with deliveries which is no doubt caused by a lack of HGV drivers and potentially people leaving the fuel distribution for a 'golden hello' from Tesco or whoever of up to 2k.
>
> I thought that tanker drivers get paid quite a bit more than HGV
> drivers, as they need not just an HGV licence but additional
> qualifications to drive tankers.

ADR I think. Some training and told to be careful with 40k
litres on the back. I dare say that with the general
shittiness of the job and the additional responsibilities
and stress that goes with transporting fuel many are happy
to jump ship.

Supposedly the government are writing to all lapsed HGV
license holders to ask if they might consider coming back.

Sunlit uplands are just around the corner.

On 29/09/2021 07:21 petrolcan penned these words:
> In article <irhldjFf3g0U3@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
> says...
>>
>> I thought that tanker drivers get paid quite a bit more than HGV
>> drivers, as they need not just an HGV licence but additional
>> qualifications to drive tankers.

If the link I followed from a twitter convo is genuine then £20ph but that
includes unsociable hours incl weekends, unsatisfactory R&R facilities etc.

> ADR I think. Some training and told to be careful with 40k
> litres on the back. I dare say that with the general
> shittiness of the job and the additional responsibilities
> and stress that goes with transporting fuel many are happy
> to jump ship.

AIUI many are expected to pay for the training themselves being EKS. So there's
that along with the crap pay and IR35 to contend with.

> Supposedly the government are writing to all lapsed HGV
> license holders to ask if they might consider coming back.

I ran this past my younger brother if he fancied a return.

"Could still it get back but you need things like CPS for which you have to do X
amount of class room hours. As well as HASCHEM certs for carrying combustible"

I then suggested £20ph as above,

"fuck me, I'd not have got out of my pit for that 20 years ago"

Somehow I think they'll need to up the ante or get used to problems.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

In article <n2nc2i-lgc.ln1@bilbo.eternal-september.org>,
Boots says...

> Somehow I think they'll need to up the ante or get used
> to problems.

Like I said, sunlit uplands

On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-7, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <irhldj...@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
> says...
> >
> > I thought that tanker drivers get paid quite a bit more than HGV
> > drivers, as they need not just an HGV licence but additional
> > qualifications to drive tankers.
> ADR I think. Some training and told to be careful with 40k
> litres on the back. I dare say that with the general
> shittiness of the job and the additional responsibilities
> and stress that goes with transporting fuel many are happy
> to jump ship.

That's right. I have the HGV, of course, and I also have the ADR. So - and it's not often I get to say this - I could potentially be the saviour of Great Britain.

But I've got tickets for Stacey Kent at Birdland on Thursday, so can I save Britain next week sometime?

On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
<benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have the HGV, of course, and I also have the ADR. So - and it's not often I get to say this - I could potentially be the saviour of Great Britain.

All hail the returning hero!

>But I've got tickets for Stacey Kent at Birdland on Thursday, so can I save Britain next week sometime?

Oh, ok then

PS - have fond memories of going to see Stacey Kent with you decades
ago, at some open air venue somewhere
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

El Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:29:34 +0100, YTC#1 escribió:

> There is no fuel shortage. Just delivery issues

Here they keep referring to the number of drivers required over there:
100,000. Where does that come from?

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

On 29/09/2021 12:02, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:29:34 +0100, YTC#1 escribió:
>
>> There is no fuel shortage. Just delivery issues
>
> Here they keep referring to the number of drivers required over there:
> 100,000. Where does that come from?
>
>
The hauliers, they have been short for a number of years (apparently)
and were filling needs/gaps by those nice chaps from the EU coming over
and suffering the shite we dole out to them.

They left and it exasperated the issue.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
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On 29 Sep 2021 11:02:51 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Here they keep referring to the number of drivers required over there:
>100,000. Where does that come from?

There's a shortage of drivers all over Europe. But the flexibility of
the single market, plus cabotage, means that the EU isn't suffering
from it

Really good article here:
https://trans.info/en/there-s-a-europe-wide-hgv-driver-shortage-so-why-do-uk-supply-chains-seem-more-disrupted-254524

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old