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* US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionskeithr0
+* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsDaryl
|`* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsRod Speed
| `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsDaryl
|  `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsPhil Allison
|   `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsDaryl
|    `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsPhil Allison
|     `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsRod Speed
|      +* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionskeithr0
|      |`* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsRod Speed
|      | `- Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionskeithr0
|      `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsGerrit 't Hart
|       `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsRod Speed
|        `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsGerrit 't Hart
|         `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsRod Speed
|          `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsGerrit 't Hart
|           `- Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsRod Speed
`* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsSylvia Else
 `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionsDaryl
  `* Re: US & Europe unite against Chinas aviation ambitionskeithr0
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 by: keithr0 - Thu, 17 Jun 2021 03:02 UTC

https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/common-threat-the-us-and-eu-move-to-thwart-china-s-ambitions-in-the-air-20210616-p581h0.html

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 17 Jun 2021 10:48 UTC

On 17/6/21 1:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/common-threat-the-us-and-eu-move-to-thwart-china-s-ambitions-in-the-air-20210616-p581h0.html
>
It could be an interesting battle.
No doubt that they will secure sales to their domestic carriers simply
because they will be forced to buy locally but I can't see them making
many sales internationally.

--
Daryl

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 17 Jun 2021 19:49 UTC

"Daryl" <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote in message
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> On 17/6/21 1:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/common-threat-the-us-and-eu-move-to-thwart-china-s-ambitions-in-the-air-20210616-p581h0.html
> It could be an interesting battle.
> No doubt that they will secure sales to their domestic carriers simply
> because they will be forced to buy locally but I can't see them making
> many sales internationally.

Specially given that its inferior in every way except price and
given the vast surplus of viable alternatives due to the virus.

Bet it ends up with as big a flop as the russian attempts.

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 by: Daryl - Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:26 UTC

On 18/6/21 5:49 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Daryl" <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote in message
> news:ij0nksF98i2U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 17/6/21 1:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/common-threat-the-us-and-eu-move-to-thwart-china-s-ambitions-in-the-air-20210616-p581h0.html
>>>
>> It could be an interesting battle.
>> No doubt that they will secure sales to their domestic carriers simply
>> because they will be forced to buy locally but I can't see them making
>> many sales internationally.
>
> Specially given that its inferior in every way except price and
> given the vast surplus of viable alternatives due to the virus.

Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around doing
nothing.
>
> Bet it ends up with as big a flop as the russian attempts.

Depends if they expect to sell any outside of China, if so its likely to
be a flop.

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Daryl

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Daryl wrote:
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> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around doing
> nothing.
>
** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new plane market.

.... Phil

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 by: Daryl - Fri, 18 Jun 2021 23:49 UTC

On 18/6/21 8:15 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
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>> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around doing
>> nothing.
>>
> ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new plane market.
>
>

Not in the long term but certainly short term.
In a recent Juan Brown video he stated that US domestic air travel have
almost returned to pre Covid numbers but international numbers are still
way down.
Based on that its likely that there could be demand for new aircraft in
domestic markets but still a lot of unused long haul aircraft parked on
the ground, he said that American Airlines were even using 777's on
longer domestic routes to meet demand.
Its possible the above is likely to affect the sales of Chinese aircraft
since the Chinese would already have surplus aircraft sitting on the
ground which could be used for domestic flights.

--
Daryl

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 by: Sylvia Else - Sat, 19 Jun 2021 03:42 UTC

On 17-Jun-21 1:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/common-threat-the-us-and-eu-move-to-thwart-china-s-ambitions-in-the-air-20210616-p581h0.html
>

Yes, who'd want to buy aircraft from a country whose regulator can't be
trusted to ensure that the aircraft are safe.

Oh! Wait!

Sylvia.

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Daryl wrote:
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> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around doing
> >> nothing.
> >>
> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new plane market.
> >
> >
> Not in the long term but certainly short term.

** You math is poor.

Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10 years is only 40.

China needs to sell 10.

...... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 19 Jun 2021 05:26 UTC

"Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Daryl wrote:
> ==========
>>>
>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around doing
>> >> nothing.
>> >>
>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new plane
>> > market.
>> >
>> >
>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>
> ** You math is poor.
>
> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10 years
> is only 40.
>
> China needs to sell 10.

No chance of that outside China, you watch.

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 by: keithr0 - Sat, 19 Jun 2021 12:29 UTC

On 19/06/2021 3:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>> Daryl wrote:
>> ==========
>>>>
>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around doing
>>> >> nothing.
>>> >>
>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>> plane > market.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>
>> ** You math is poor.
>>
>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10
>> years is only 40.
>>
>> China needs to sell 10.
>
> No chance of that outside China, you watch.

Plenty of opportunity domestically though.

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 by: Gerrit 't Hart - Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:50 UTC

On 19/06/2021 1:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>> Daryl wrote:
>> ==========
>>>>
>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around doing
>>> >> nothing.
>>> >>
>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>> plane > market.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>
>> ** You math is poor.
>>
>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10
>> years is only 40.
>>
>> China needs to sell 10.
>
> No chance of that outside China, you watch.
Maybe to those counties that China has mortgaged to themselves with Belt
and Road loans.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 19 Jun 2021 16:31 UTC

"keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 19/06/2021 3:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>>> Daryl wrote:
>>> ==========
>>>>>
>>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around
>>>> >> doing
>>>> >> nothing.
>>>> >>
>>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>>> plane > market.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>>
>>> ** You math is poor.
>>>
>>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10
>>> years is only 40.
>>>
>>> China needs to sell 10.
>>
>> No chance of that outside China, you watch.
>
> Plenty of opportunity domestically though.

Just like with russia, but irrelevant outside both.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 19 Jun 2021 16:33 UTC

"Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
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>
>
> On 19/06/2021 1:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>>> Daryl wrote:
>>> ==========
>>>>>
>>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around
>>>> >> doing
>>>> >> nothing.
>>>> >>
>>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>>> plane > market.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>>
>>> ** You math is poor.
>>>
>>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10
>>> years is only 40.
>>>
>>> China needs to sell 10.
>>
>> No chance of that outside China, you watch.

> Maybe to those counties that China has mortgaged to themselves with Belt
> and Road loans.

They are much more likely to use the used stuff currently parked up.

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 by: keithr0 - Sat, 19 Jun 2021 23:01 UTC

On 20/06/2021 2:31 am, Rod Speed wrote:
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>
> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ij6692FatptU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 19/06/2021 3:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>> ==========
>>>>>>
>>>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around
>>>>> >> doing
>>>>> >> nothing.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>>>> plane > market.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>>>
>>>> ** You math is poor.
>>>>
>>>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10
>>>> years is only 40.
>>>>
>>>> China needs to sell 10.
>>>
>>> No chance of that outside China, you watch.
>>
>> Plenty of opportunity domestically though.
>
> Just like with russia, but irrelevant outside both.

Not completely irrelevant, it would represent lost sales to Boeing and
AirBus.

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 by: Daryl - Sat, 19 Jun 2021 23:02 UTC

On 19/6/21 1:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 17-Jun-21 1:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/common-threat-the-us-and-eu-move-to-thwart-china-s-ambitions-in-the-air-20210616-p581h0.html
>>
>
> Yes, who'd want to buy aircraft from a country whose regulator can't be
> trusted to ensure that the aircraft are safe.
>
> Oh! Wait!
>

I wouldn't fly in any aircraft owned by Chinese even if it was a Boeing
or Airbus so the chances of me getting on a Chinese built aircraft are nil.

--
Daryl

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 by: keithr0 - Sun, 20 Jun 2021 01:08 UTC

On 20/06/2021 9:02 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 19/6/21 1:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 17-Jun-21 1:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/common-threat-the-us-and-eu-move-to-thwart-china-s-ambitions-in-the-air-20210616-p581h0.html
>>>
>>
>> Yes, who'd want to buy aircraft from a country whose regulator can't
>> be trusted to ensure that the aircraft are safe.
>>
>> Oh! Wait!
>>
>
> I wouldn't fly in any aircraft owned by Chinese even if it was a Boeing
> or Airbus so the chances of me getting on a Chinese built aircraft are nil.
>
>
You have some reason for this?

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 by: Daryl - Sun, 20 Jun 2021 06:08 UTC

On 20/6/21 11:08 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 20/06/2021 9:02 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 19/6/21 1:42 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 17-Jun-21 1:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/common-threat-the-us-and-eu-move-to-thwart-china-s-ambitions-in-the-air-20210616-p581h0.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, who'd want to buy aircraft from a country whose regulator can't
>>> be trusted to ensure that the aircraft are safe.
>>>
>>> Oh! Wait!
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't fly in any aircraft owned by Chinese even if it was a
>> Boeing or Airbus so the chances of me getting on a Chinese built
>> aircraft are nil.
>>
>>
> You have some reason for this?

Certainly do, seen enough examples of their engineering and I don't
trust them to maintain an aircraft.
I know that their safety ratings are up there with the best but I still
don't trust them, that might be irrational but it is what it is.

--
Daryl

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 by: Gerrit 't Hart - Mon, 21 Jun 2021 04:39 UTC

On 20/06/2021 12:33 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
> news:SOmdnffabPeWa1D9nZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> On 19/06/2021 1:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>> ==========
>>>>>>
>>>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around
>>>>> >> doing
>>>>> >> nothing.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>>>> plane > market.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>>>
>>>> ** You math is poor.
>>>>
>>>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10
>>>> years is only 40.
>>>>
>>>> China needs to sell 10.
>>>
>>> No chance of that outside China, you watch.
>
>> Maybe to those counties that China has mortgaged to themselves with
>> Belt and Road loans.
>
> They are much more likely to use the used stuff currently parked up.

China owns them. Sadly.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 21 Jun 2021 09:35 UTC

"Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
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> On 20/06/2021 12:33 am, Rod Speed wrote:
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>>
>> "Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
>> news:SOmdnffabPeWa1D9nZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19/06/2021 1:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting around
>>>>>> >> doing
>>>>>> >> nothing.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>>>>> plane > market.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** You math is poor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10
>>>>> years is only 40.
>>>>>
>>>>> China needs to sell 10.
>>>>
>>>> No chance of that outside China, you watch.
>>
>>> Maybe to those counties that China has mortgaged to themselves with Belt
>>> and Road loans.
>>
>> They are much more likely to use the used stuff currently parked up.
>
> China owns them.

Nope.

> Sadly.

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 by: Gerrit 't Hart - Wed, 23 Jun 2021 06:20 UTC

On 21/06/2021 5:35 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
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> "Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
> news:BeSdnVbYtu-bhU39nZ2dnUU7-RXNnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> On 20/06/2021 12:33 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
>>> news:SOmdnffabPeWa1D9nZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19/06/2021 1:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting
>>>>>>> around >> doing
>>>>>>> >> nothing.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>>>>>> plane > market.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** You math is poor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next
>>>>>> 10 years is only 40.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> China needs to sell 10.
>>>>>
>>>>> No chance of that outside China, you watch.
>>>
>>>> Maybe to those counties that China has mortgaged to themselves with
>>>> Belt and Road loans.
>>>
>>> They are much more likely to use the used stuff currently parked up.
>>
>> China owns them.
>
> Nope.
>
>> Sadly.
>
Owns the countries that signed up to the B+R.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:32 UTC

"Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
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> On 21/06/2021 5:35 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
>> news:BeSdnVbYtu-bhU39nZ2dnUU7-RXNnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/06/2021 12:33 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gerrit 't Hart" <sad@for.you> wrote in message
>>>> news:SOmdnffabPeWa1D9nZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@westnet.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19/06/2021 1:26 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:52f943bf-edeb-46a8-882a-2b81e83328c7n@googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >> Yes, why buy new when there are lots of aircraft sitting
>>>>>>>> around >> doing
>>>>>>>> >> nothing.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> > ** Has no effect on aquiring the desired *percentage* of the new
>>>>>>>> plane > market.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> Not in the long term but certainly short term.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** You math is poor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if the market for new aircraft in this category in the next 10
>>>>>>> years is only 40.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> China needs to sell 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No chance of that outside China, you watch.
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe to those counties that China has mortgaged to themselves with
>>>>> Belt and Road loans.
>>>>
>>>> They are much more likely to use the used stuff currently parked up.
>>>
>>> China owns them.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> Sadly.
>>
> Owns the countries that signed up to the B+R.

Nope.

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