On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:00:09 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>I was catheterised when I had the punctured lung and it wasn't bad. And
>having the drain taken out wasn't painful, just a rather odd sensation.
>I did suffer perpetual dread with the catheter that it would get pulled
>while the little collar was still inflated.

Our ward got reorganised when I was in Paisley.
My catheter bag was hanging on a stand, and the stand was relocated
before I was.
It's merely mildly uncomfortable.
The nurse was more distressed than me.
It's not as if the collar is fitted just up your Jap's eye.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

Eddie wrote:
> On 29/09/2021 17:04, Salad Dodger wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:57:57 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> [0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
>>> and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.
>> Dear Ged.
>>
>> I'm so glad I was out cold for mine.
>
> It wasn't particularly unpleasant. Just ... weird.
>
> Mind, getting the whole thing taken out was pretty odd, too. Had an
> epidural for that, but I was still very aware of the vibrations from all
> the chiselling and hammering.

Mine is still in place - the consultant's view was that if it being
there doesn't cause any problems then why add more risk by removing it.

I had a general anaesthetic when they removed the knee-end screws, but
an epidural when they eventually removed the ankle ones (the screw heads
rubbed unpleasantly on my shoes). The tiny surgeon used a swing brace
screwdriver and she really had to put some effort in.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:28:18 +0100, Sqirrel99
<secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Mind, getting the whole thing taken out was pretty odd, too. Had an
>> epidural for that, but I was still very aware of the vibrations from all
>> the chiselling and hammering.

>Mine is still in place - the consultant's view was that if it being
>there doesn't cause any problems then why add more risk by removing it.

That was the advice I got for my femoral nail in 2008. With the
caveat that if I broke the bone again that would be *really bad* with
the metalwork in it. So, if I was doing stuff that might risk that,
best to get it removed.

In 2012, as I slide innocently down the track on my arse in a race,
having lost the front, I concluded I'd better have it removed - and
did a few months later
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:28:18 +0100, Sqirrel99
> <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Mind, getting the whole thing taken out was pretty odd, too. Had an
>>> epidural for that, but I was still very aware of the vibrations from all
>>> the chiselling and hammering.
>
>> Mine is still in place - the consultant's view was that if it being
>> there doesn't cause any problems then why add more risk by removing it.
>
> That was the advice I got for my femoral nail in 2008. With the
> caveat that if I broke the bone again that would be *really bad* with
> the metalwork in it. So, if I was doing stuff that might risk that,
> best to get it removed.
>
> In 2012, as I slide innocently down the track on my arse in a race,
> having lost the front, I concluded I'd better have it removed - and
> did a few months later

I did ask the question 'What if I do it again ?'.
The consultant said that with the metalwork in place, I wouldn't break
/that/ bone again, but of course the force would go somewhere else -
no idea whether that would be better or worse.

On 30/09/2021 08:28, Sqirrel99 wrote:
>
> Mine is still in place - the consultant's view was that if it being
> there doesn't cause any problems then why add more risk by removing it.

Mine probably would've been left, but I'd subsequently bashed both
knees[0] and it seemed like it was better off out than in.

[0] My first ever brand new tyres, the right profile for the bike rather
than the previous ones that were almost square, chilly day,
inexperience, overconfidence. I didn't even make the first turn to get
out of our cul-de-sac before the bike disappeared from underneath me,
pretty much dropping me straight down in a riding crouch onto the
tarmac. Plain leather jeans offered little in the way of padding.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 30/09/2021 09:11, Sqirrel99 wrote:
>
> I did ask the question 'What if I do it again ?'.
> The consultant said that with the metalwork in place, I wouldn't break
> /that/ bone again, but of course the force would go somewhere else -
> no idea whether that would be better or worse.

Worse. It's always worse.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On Thursday, 30 September 2021 at 09:22:01 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:
> On 30/09/2021 09:11, Sqirrel99 wrote:
> >
> > I did ask the question 'What if I do it again ?'.
> > The consultant said that with the metalwork in place, I wouldn't break
> > /that/ bone again, but of course the force would go somewhere else -
> > no idea whether that would be better or worse.
> Worse. It's always worse.

I've got a little bit of metalwork (couple of screws) holding my tibia together
in my right knee. After it healed I asked the consultant 'since I ride a motorcycle
and might break the leg again... would it be sensible to remove the screws?'.

His response was 'if you hit the knee hard enough to bend the screws then
you're probably losing your leg below the knee'. Which was comforting.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 02:33:53 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>His response was 'if you hit the knee hard enough to bend the screws then
>you're probably losing your leg below the knee'. Which was comforting.

Right up there with "Oh, we like motorcyclists - they give us someone
to practice on"
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:28:18 +0100, Sqirrel99
<secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mine is still in place - the consultant's view was that if it being
>there doesn't cause any problems then why add more risk by removing it.

After having half my right ulna replaced by a metal bar thirty years
back that option wasn't really open to me. But there must be
something in this usenet thread - the arm's normally just a nuisance
but it's been hurting like hell for the past day, enough to make me
wonder if there's any newer techniques that might make things easier.

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

On 30/09/2021 15:43, Pete wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:28:18 +0100, Sqirrel99
> <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mine is still in place - the consultant's view was that if it being
>> there doesn't cause any problems then why add more risk by removing it.
>
> After having half my right ulna replaced by a metal bar thirty years
> back that option wasn't really open to me. But there must be
> something in this usenet thread - the arm's normally just a nuisance
> but it's been hurting like hell for the past day, enough to make me
> wonder if there's any newer techniques that might make things easier.

Ask the surgeon for "the full Wolverine" and see what he suggests? You
might not get it on the NHS though. :-)

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On 9/29/2021 10:10 AM, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <4c4a439d-7351-403a-ae32-
> 129aaf12007fn@googlegroups.com>, Stephen Packer says...
>>
>> On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 14:58:01 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:
>>
>>> [0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
>>> and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.
>>
>> Remember it well. Was quite concerned about removing all four screws when
>> I was conscious but it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I don't remember if they used a local
>> anaesthetic, I guess they must have. There was some blood.
>>
>> Worst sensation was the removal of drain tubes after operations. I don't know how they
>> rammed 10 or 20cm of tubing in my hip but I felt every fucking mm.
>
> When I slipped a disc a couple of years ago, being
> catheterised was the only thing that made me forget the
> back pain for a few moments. I seem to recall asking (well,
> screaming) at the Doc whether he was actually going in dry.
>
> Removal was uncomfortable and I did have a tinge of
> disappointment too knowing I was going to have to get up to
> go to the loo :)
>
I had a urethral stricture since birth that required catheterization
every couple of years. When I was ~20, my doc showed me how to do it
myself, which I did until this year. No problem, no big deal, hardly any
pain at all. 10 years ago, or so, I ruptured a disc in my back. They
inserted a catheter for that surgery and screwed it up somehow. The time
interval kept dropping, and a new surgery was invented, so I had it
done. 4 months of absolute torture, and the hassle hasn't stopped.
Biggest regret of my life. I've got a list of at least 12 ways they
inflicted pain on me.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

In article <sj526c$7ik$1@dont-email.me>, Turby says...
>
> On 9/29/2021 10:10 AM, petrolcan wrote:
> > In article <4c4a439d-7351-403a-ae32-
> > 129aaf12007fn@googlegroups.com>, Stephen Packer says...
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 14:58:01 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:
> >>
> >>> [0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
> >>> and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.
> >>
> >> Remember it well. Was quite concerned about removing all four screws when
> >> I was conscious but it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I don't remember if they used a local
> >> anaesthetic, I guess they must have. There was some blood.
> >>
> >> Worst sensation was the removal of drain tubes after operations. I don't know how they
> >> rammed 10 or 20cm of tubing in my hip but I felt every fucking mm.
> >
> > When I slipped a disc a couple of years ago, being
> > catheterised was the only thing that made me forget the
> > back pain for a few moments. I seem to recall asking (well,
> > screaming) at the Doc whether he was actually going in dry.
> >
> > Removal was uncomfortable and I did have a tinge of
> > disappointment too knowing I was going to have to get up to
> > go to the loo :)
> >
> I had a urethral stricture since birth that required catheterization
> every couple of years. When I was ~20, my doc showed me how to do it
> myself, which I did until this year. No problem, no big deal, hardly any
> pain at all. 10 years ago, or so, I ruptured a disc in my back. They
> inserted a catheter for that surgery and screwed it up somehow. The time
> interval kept dropping, and a new surgery was invented, so I had it
> done. 4 months of absolute torture, and the hassle hasn't stopped.
> Biggest regret of my life. I've got a list of at least 12 ways they
> inflicted pain on me.

Next step, supra pubic!

On 9/30/2021 3:00 PM, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <sj526c$7ik$1@dont-email.me>, Turby says...
>>
>> On 9/29/2021 10:10 AM, petrolcan wrote:
>>> In article <4c4a439d-7351-403a-ae32-
>>> 129aaf12007fn@googlegroups.com>, Stephen Packer says...
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 14:58:01 UTC+1, Eddie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [0] Local anaesthetic only. You know when a wood screw is *really* tight
>>>>> and it squeaks as you turn it? It was just like that. Weird sensation.
>>>>
>>>> Remember it well. Was quite concerned about removing all four screws when
>>>> I was conscious but it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. I don't remember if they used a local
>>>> anaesthetic, I guess they must have. There was some blood.
>>>>
>>>> Worst sensation was the removal of drain tubes after operations. I don't know how they
>>>> rammed 10 or 20cm of tubing in my hip but I felt every fucking mm.
>>>
>>> When I slipped a disc a couple of years ago, being
>>> catheterised was the only thing that made me forget the
>>> back pain for a few moments. I seem to recall asking (well,
>>> screaming) at the Doc whether he was actually going in dry.
>>>
>>> Removal was uncomfortable and I did have a tinge of
>>> disappointment too knowing I was going to have to get up to
>>> go to the loo :)
>>>
>> I had a urethral stricture since birth that required catheterization
>> every couple of years. When I was ~20, my doc showed me how to do it
>> myself, which I did until this year. No problem, no big deal, hardly any
>> pain at all. 10 years ago, or so, I ruptured a disc in my back. They
>> inserted a catheter for that surgery and screwed it up somehow. The time
>> interval kept dropping, and a new surgery was invented, so I had it
>> done. 4 months of absolute torture, and the hassle hasn't stopped.
>> Biggest regret of my life. I've got a list of at least 12 ways they
>> inflicted pain on me.
>
> Next step, supra pubic!
>
Yeah. Had one for 6 weeks before the latest surgery. The doc put it
right at belt level, so no matter what I wore, it was a pain.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)