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 by: Xeno - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 07:05 UTC

On 30/8/21 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was easy
>>> enough to update to a 12v system.
>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a lot of
>>> times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past vacuum
>>> operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>
>>>
>> And all British Fords.
>
> Just about any car all over the world.
>
> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early 1960's,

Electric wiper motors were common enough in the 50s on BMC and Rooted
Group vehicles. The Lucas cable type was almost universal from the early
50s. It was primarily Ford, GM and Chrysler that hung on to vacuum
wipers through the 50s using Trico branded units if memory serves. I
worked on lots of 50s & 60s vintage BMC and Rootes Group cars and rarely
saw vacuum wipers. We had a heap of Mk1 and Mk2 Zephyrs and they had
vacuum wipers into the 60s, IIRC. Primitive, those Fords.

> and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum motors to
> power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply source.  They
> would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little "back up" vacuum
> pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that was supposed to
> provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold vacuum was low, but
> generally they were hopeless and didn't do anything as anyone who's

No Darren, the vacuum pumps *did work*.

> driven a car with vacuum powered wipers could tell you whenever you
> floored the throttle.

They operated the wipers slowly and prevented them stopping completely
under acceleration. If and when they stopped *completely* under
acceleration, you *knew* the valves or vacuum diaphragm were knackered.
Well, you probably didn't but you don't even understand how the *system*
is meant to work.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Noddy - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 07:15 UTC

On 30/08/2021 4:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 30/8/21 3:26 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 1:50 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2021 11:59 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> There's been all kinds of weird and wonderful car accessories over
>>>> the years. How about a dash mounted cigarette dispenser that
>>>> automatically lit the things as you wanted one?
>>>
>>> The father of a school friend designed an in dash record player, it
>>> played 45s which, with the centre punched out, neatly stacked over
>>> the gear lever.
>>
>> I've seen similar things before. There literally was no end to the
>> amount of bizarre and wonderful accessories you could have.
>>
>> The 1966 Futura coupe I sold last year had one of these:
>>
>>> https://www.cool386.com/picnic_awa/rsz_advertisment%20.jpg
>>
>> Called the Ford Auto Portable 8 it was more commonly referred to as a
>> "Picnic Radio", and it got that name because it could be removed from
>> the dash with a key and taken along with you so you could listen to
>> your music in the park while enjoying your picnic. One of the first
>> portable transistor radios for cars around.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I had something similar in my Austin Healey Sprite, a radio in a soft
> top wasn't very secure so I just took it with me if I parked the car in
> an unsecured spot.
>
Cool idea in their day.

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Noddy.

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 by: Noddy - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 07:17 UTC

On 30/08/2021 3:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early
>> 1960's, and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum
>> motors to power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply
>> source.  They would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little
>> "back up" vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that
>> was supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold vacuum
>> was low, but generally they were hopeless and didn't do anything as
>> anyone who's driven a car with vacuum powered wipers could tell you
>> whenever you floored the throttle.
>
> Just when you needed them the most.............................

Pretty much :)

> My Renault 16TS had a great idea, the wiper motors were in the heater
> inlet box just in front of the windscreen, The box had a grill on top to
> let the air (and rain) in and a small drain that was always getting
> blocked to let the rain out. So every time it rained, the motors went
> under water - great.

Nice :)

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Noddy.

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 by: Clocky - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 07:18 UTC

On 30/08/2021 3:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 30/8/21 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was easy
>>>> enough to update to a 12v system.
>>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a lot
>>>> of times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past
>>>> vacuum operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And all British Fords.
>>
>> Just about any car all over the world.
>>
>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early 1960's,
>
> Electric wiper motors were common enough in the 50s on BMC and Rooted
> Group vehicles. The Lucas cable type was almost universal from the early
> 50s. It was primarily Ford, GM and Chrysler that hung on to vacuum
> wipers through the 50s using Trico branded units if memory serves. I
> worked on lots of 50s & 60s vintage BMC and Rootes Group cars and rarely
> saw vacuum wipers. We had a heap of Mk1 and Mk2 Zephyrs and they had
> vacuum wipers into the 60s, IIRC. Primitive, those Fords.
>
>> and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum motors to
>> power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply source.
>> They would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little "back up"
>> vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that was
>> supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold vacuum was
>> low, but generally they were hopeless and didn't do anything as anyone
>> who's
>
> No Darren, the vacuum pumps *did work*.
>
>> driven a car with vacuum powered wipers could tell you whenever you
>> floored the throttle.
>
> They operated the wipers slowly and prevented them stopping completely
> under acceleration. If and when they stopped *completely* under
> acceleration, you *knew* the valves or vacuum diaphragm were knackered.
> Well, you probably didn't but you don't even understand how the *system*
> is meant to work.
>
>

He wasn't there, how could he know?

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 by: Clocky - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 07:24 UTC

On 30/08/2021 1:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was easy
>>>> enough to update to a 12v system.
>>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a lot
>>>> of times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past
>>>> vacuum operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And all British Fords.
>>
>> Just about any car all over the world.
>>
>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early
>> 1960's, and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum
>> motors to power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply
>> source.  They would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little
>> "back up" vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that
>> was supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold vacuum
>> was low, but generally they were hopeless and didn't do anything as
>> anyone who's driven a car with vacuum powered wipers could tell you
>> whenever you floored the throttle.
>
> Just when you needed them the most.............................
>
> My Renault 16TS had a great idea, the wiper motors were in the heater
> inlet box just in front of the windscreen, The box had a grill on top to
> let the air (and rain) in and a small drain that was always getting
> blocked to let the rain out. So every time it rained, the motors went
> under water - great.

Yeah not wrong. I remember being let down by the wipers in my 16TS in
the pissing rain coming home one night from the city.

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 08:28 UTC

On 30/8/21 5:18 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 3:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 30/8/21 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was easy
>>>>> enough to update to a 12v system.
>>>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a lot
>>>>> of times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past
>>>>> vacuum operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> And all British Fords.
>>>
>>> Just about any car all over the world.
>>>
>>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early 1960's,
>>
>> Electric wiper motors were common enough in the 50s on BMC and Rooted
>> Group vehicles. The Lucas cable type was almost universal from the
>> early 50s. It was primarily Ford, GM and Chrysler that hung on to
>> vacuum wipers through the 50s using Trico branded units if memory
>> serves. I worked on lots of 50s & 60s vintage BMC and Rootes Group
>> cars and rarely saw vacuum wipers. We had a heap of Mk1 and Mk2
>> Zephyrs and they had vacuum wipers into the 60s, IIRC. Primitive,
>> those Fords.
>>
>>> and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum motors to
>>> power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply source.
>>> They would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little "back up"
>>> vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that was
>>> supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold vacuum
>>> was low, but generally they were hopeless and didn't do anything as
>>> anyone who's
>>
>> No Darren, the vacuum pumps *did work*.
>>
>>> driven a car with vacuum powered wipers could tell you whenever you
>>> floored the throttle.
>>
>> They operated the wipers slowly and prevented them stopping completely
>> under acceleration. If and when they stopped *completely* under
>> acceleration, you *knew* the valves or vacuum diaphragm were
>> knackered. Well, you probably didn't but you don't even understand how
>> the *system* is meant to work.
>>
>>
>
>
> He wasn't there, how could he know?

You know, I get the feeling Darren reads a story, or hears it, then
automatically *inserts himself* into it, such is he desperate need to be
relevant to the automotive industry. As always, he is but a pimple on
the arse of the trade and there he remains.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 06:20 UTC

On 30/08/2021 5:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 4:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 30/8/21 3:26 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2021 1:50 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2021 11:59 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There's been all kinds of weird and wonderful car accessories over
>>>>> the years. How about a dash mounted cigarette dispenser that
>>>>> automatically lit the things as you wanted one?
>>>>
>>>> The father of a school friend designed an in dash record player, it
>>>> played 45s which, with the centre punched out, neatly stacked over
>>>> the gear lever.
>>>
>>> I've seen similar things before. There literally was no end to the
>>> amount of bizarre and wonderful accessories you could have.
>>>
>>> The 1966 Futura coupe I sold last year had one of these:
>>>
>>>> https://www.cool386.com/picnic_awa/rsz_advertisment%20.jpg
>>>
>>> Called the Ford Auto Portable 8 it was more commonly referred to as a
>>> "Picnic Radio", and it got that name because it could be removed from
>>> the dash with a key and taken along with you so you could listen to
>>> your music in the park while enjoying your picnic. One of the first
>>> portable transistor radios for cars around.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I had something similar in my Austin Healey Sprite, a radio in a soft
>> top wasn't very secure so I just took it with me if I parked the car
>> in an unsecured spot.
>>
> Cool idea in their day.
>
There were a lot of radios that you could just take the front off with
the controls.

In the late 80s, the mob that I worked for handed out Laser Gias as
company cars. They were fitted with a rather nice radio, unfortunately a
competent thief could smash the drivers window and have the radio out in
less than 30 seconds. Virtually every car in the fleet had the radio
pinched.

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 06:25 UTC

On 30/08/2021 5:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 1:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was easy
>>>>> enough to update to a 12v system.
>>>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a lot
>>>>> of times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past
>>>>> vacuum operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> And all British Fords.
>>>
>>> Just about any car all over the world.
>>>
>>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early
>>> 1960's, and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum
>>> motors to power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply
>>> source.  They would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little
>>> "back up" vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that
>>> was supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold
>>> vacuum was low, but generally they were hopeless and didn't do
>>> anything as anyone who's driven a car with vacuum powered wipers
>>> could tell you whenever you floored the throttle.
>>
>> Just when you needed them the most.............................
>>
>> My Renault 16TS had a great idea, the wiper motors were in the heater
>> inlet box just in front of the windscreen, The box had a grill on top
>> to let the air (and rain) in and a small drain that was always getting
>> blocked to let the rain out. So every time it rained, the motors went
>> under water - great.
>
> Yeah not wrong. I remember being let down by the wipers in my 16TS in
> the pissing rain coming home one night from the city.

The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest electrics
of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the wipers, the
alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The advance
weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground a groove in
the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust. All made by
"Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of excellence.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 06:39 UTC

On 31/8/21 4:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 5:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 1:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2021 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was
>>>>>> easy enough to update to a 12v system.
>>>>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>>>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a lot
>>>>>> of times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>>>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past
>>>>>> vacuum operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And all British Fords.
>>>>
>>>> Just about any car all over the world.
>>>>
>>>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early
>>>> 1960's, and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum
>>>> motors to power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply
>>>> source.  They would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little
>>>> "back up" vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that
>>>> was supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold
>>>> vacuum was low, but generally they were hopeless and didn't do
>>>> anything as anyone who's driven a car with vacuum powered wipers
>>>> could tell you whenever you floored the throttle.
>>>
>>> Just when you needed them the most.............................
>>>
>>> My Renault 16TS had a great idea, the wiper motors were in the heater
>>> inlet box just in front of the windscreen, The box had a grill on top
>>> to let the air (and rain) in and a small drain that was always
>>> getting blocked to let the rain out. So every time it rained, the
>>> motors went under water - great.
>>
>> Yeah not wrong. I remember being let down by the wipers in my 16TS in
>> the pissing rain coming home one night from the city.
>
> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest electrics
> of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the wipers, the
> alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The advance
> weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground a groove in
> the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust. All made by
> "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of excellence.

Lucas weren't all that bad in the 50s and 60s, Bosch being the standard
by which others were judged, but by the 70s they were on the downward
trend. I first noticed it when they released the *Lucas Quickafit
Contact Points*. The earth contact pad was large, the live contact pad
small, so that (they said) it was quicker to install. You just knew it
was quicker and cheaper to manufacture as the small pad would nearly
always rest *somewhere* on the larger pad even if manufacturing
tolerances were slack - and they were. Certainly they were no quicker to
install but definitely quicker to burn out. Everything just went
downhill for Lucas from there and that would have been around 1970-72.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:41:07 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

Ahhh. You're back keith.
Odd that you left your "slavishly agree" sub-thread unanswered.
I can't imagine why...

alvey

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 by: Noddy - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 07:07 UTC

On 31/08/2021 4:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 5:15 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>>>
>>> I had something similar in my Austin Healey Sprite, a radio in a soft
>>> top wasn't very secure so I just took it with me if I parked the car
>>> in an unsecured spot.
>>>
>> Cool idea in their day.
>>
> There were a lot of radios that you could just take the front off with
> the controls.

Yeah, but they came a little bit later though. We're talking about the
very early 1960's here.

> In the late 80s, the mob that I worked for handed out Laser Gias as
> company cars.

What, did they not like their employees or something? :)

> They were fitted with a rather nice radio, unfortunately a
> competent thief could smash the drivers window and have the radio out in
> less than 30 seconds. Virtually every car in the fleet had the radio
> pinched.

It was a big problem in the 1980's. High end Ford
Fairmont/Fairlane/LTD's had a (then) nice Pioneer stereo which was a
"triple deck" with a stand alone tape player and equalizer which if I
remember was also used by Honda in some of their cars at the time. They
were a great unit with a decent sound, and they were *always* getting
pinched.

The problem with that was not so much that they pinched the stereo, but
the mess they'd make of the dash in ripping the plastic off to get to
the bolts holding it in place.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Noddy - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 07:10 UTC

On 31/08/2021 4:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:

> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest electrics
> of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the wipers, the
> alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The advance
> weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground a groove in
> the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust.

ROTFL :) Fucking nice one :)

> All made by "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of excellence.

Must admit I've never been a big fan of Renaults and thought most of
what they made was utter crap. However I have to give them credit where
it's due. The engine in my Navara, which is a Renault V9X, is absolutely
brilliant.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 08:00 UTC

On 31/8/21 5:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 4:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest
>> electrics of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the wipers,
>> the alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The advance
>> weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground a groove
>> in the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust.
>
> ROTFL :) Fucking nice one :)
>
>> All made by "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of
>> excellence.
>
> Must admit I've never been a big fan of Renaults and thought most of
> what they made was utter crap. However I have to give them credit where
> it's due. The engine in my Navara, which is a Renault V9X, is absolutely
> brilliant.
>
>
They were mostly crap then and nothing has changed since. The engine in
your Navara is *proof* they are still crap. Timing chains that are a
better fit on a *bicycle*, FFS.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Clocky - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 08:04 UTC

On 31/08/2021 2:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 5:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 1:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2021 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was
>>>>>> easy enough to update to a 12v system.
>>>>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>>>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a lot
>>>>>> of times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>>>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past
>>>>>> vacuum operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And all British Fords.
>>>>
>>>> Just about any car all over the world.
>>>>
>>>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early
>>>> 1960's, and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum
>>>> motors to power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply
>>>> source.  They would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little
>>>> "back up" vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that
>>>> was supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold
>>>> vacuum was low, but generally they were hopeless and didn't do
>>>> anything as anyone who's driven a car with vacuum powered wipers
>>>> could tell you whenever you floored the throttle.
>>>
>>> Just when you needed them the most.............................
>>>
>>> My Renault 16TS had a great idea, the wiper motors were in the heater
>>> inlet box just in front of the windscreen, The box had a grill on top
>>> to let the air (and rain) in and a small drain that was always
>>> getting blocked to let the rain out. So every time it rained, the
>>> motors went under water - great.
>>
>> Yeah not wrong. I remember being let down by the wipers in my 16TS in
>> the pissing rain coming home one night from the city.
>
> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest electrics
> of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the wipers, the
> alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The advance
> weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground a groove in
> the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust. All made by
> "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of excellence.

I had trouble with the distributor as well, exactly as you described and
replaced it with a second hand unit. Other than that and the wipers the
electrics worked OK for me but those had probably already been sorted
and/or I didn't have it long enough for anything else to go wrong. Nice
comfy drive and went ok for what it was.

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 by: Clocky - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 08:24 UTC

On 31/08/2021 3:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 4:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest
>> electrics of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the wipers,
>> the alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The advance
>> weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground a groove
>> in the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust.
>
> ROTFL :) Fucking nice one :)
>
>> All made by "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of
>> excellence.
>
> Must admit I've never been a big fan of Renaults and thought most of
> what they made was utter crap. However I have to give them credit where
> it's due. The engine in my Navara, which is a Renault V9X, is absolutely
> brilliant.
>
>

Who didn't see this coming?
Until it shits itself at relatively low mileage it is indeed a pretty
decent engine. Pity the rest is Nissan and endlessly problematic.

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 09:47 UTC

On 31/08/2021 4:39 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 31/8/21 4:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 5:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2021 1:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 30/08/2021 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was
>>>>>>> easy enough to update to a 12v system.
>>>>>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>>>>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a
>>>>>>> lot of times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>>>>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past
>>>>>>> vacuum operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And all British Fords.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just about any car all over the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early
>>>>> 1960's, and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum
>>>>> motors to power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their
>>>>> supply source.  They would often supliment this vacuum supply with
>>>>> a little "back up" vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical
>>>>> fuel pump that was supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor
>>>>> when manifold vacuum was low, but generally they were hopeless and
>>>>> didn't do anything as anyone who's driven a car with vacuum
>>>>> powered wipers could tell you whenever you floored the throttle.
>>>>
>>>> Just when you needed them the most.............................
>>>>
>>>> My Renault 16TS had a great idea, the wiper motors were in the
>>>> heater inlet box just in front of the windscreen, The box had a
>>>> grill on top to let the air (and rain) in and a small drain that
>>>> was always getting blocked to let the rain out. So every time it
>>>> rained, the motors went under water - great.
>>>
>>> Yeah not wrong. I remember being let down by the wipers in my 16TS
>>> in the pissing rain coming home one night from the city.
>>
>> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest
>> electrics of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the
>> wipers, the alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The
>> advance weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground
>> a groove in the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust.
>> All made by "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of
>> excellence.
>
> Lucas weren't all that bad in the 50s and 60s, Bosch being the
> standard by which others were judged, but by the 70s they were on the
> downward trend. I first noticed it when they released the *Lucas
> Quickafit Contact Points*. The earth contact pad was large, the live
> contact pad small, so that (they said) it was quicker to install. You
> just knew it was quicker and cheaper to manufacture as the small pad
> would nearly always rest *somewhere* on the larger pad even if
> manufacturing tolerances were slack - and they were. Certainly they
> were no quicker to install but definitely quicker to burn out.
> Everything just went downhill for Lucas from there and that would have
> been around 1970-72.
>

just another company then that failed to learn "if it aint broke you
don't fix it"

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 by: Daryl - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 10:50 UTC

On 31/8/21 4:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 5:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 1:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2021 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 30/08/2021 1:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 28/08/2021 1:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Any car 6v electrical system was pretty awful, at least it was
>>>>>> easy enough to update to a 12v system.
>>>>>> It was common on a lot of old cars to replace generators with
>>>>>> alternators, I've never done it on a Beetle but have done it a lot
>>>>>> of times on older British cars like Austin 1800 and Minis.
>>>>>> If you want to talk about dumb design its difficult to go past
>>>>>> vacuum operated windscreen wipers on early Falcons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And all British Fords.
>>>>
>>>> Just about any car all over the world.
>>>>
>>>> Electric wiper motors never really became common until the early
>>>> 1960's, and while some cars had them before then most used vacuum
>>>> motors to power the wipers and used manifold vacuum as their supply
>>>> source.  They would often supliment this vacuum supply with a little
>>>> "back up" vacuum pump that was part of the mechanical fuel pump that
>>>> was supposed to provide vacuum to the wiper motor when manifold
>>>> vacuum was low, but generally they were hopeless and didn't do
>>>> anything as anyone who's driven a car with vacuum powered wipers
>>>> could tell you whenever you floored the throttle.
>>>
>>> Just when you needed them the most.............................
>>>
>>> My Renault 16TS had a great idea, the wiper motors were in the heater
>>> inlet box just in front of the windscreen, The box had a grill on top
>>> to let the air (and rain) in and a small drain that was always
>>> getting blocked to let the rain out. So every time it rained, the
>>> motors went under water - great.
>>
>> Yeah not wrong. I remember being let down by the wipers in my 16TS in
>> the pissing rain coming home one night from the city.
>
> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest electrics
> of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the wipers, the
> alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The advance
> weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground a groove in
> the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust. All made by
> "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of excellence.

LOL, they must have taken some effort:-)
I remember when we owned old pommy cars and at the time I never thought
that the electrics were too bad, generators never had enough output but
I don't remember have a lot of electrical problems.
The starter on my MK1 GT Cortina was a pita till one of the blokes I
worked with at Ford told me about the fix which was to fit a pinion with
a different number of teeth which completely solved the problem.
Indicator switches on Austin 1800's and Mini were a bit fragile so you
had to be careful with them.

--
Daryl

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 by: Daryl - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 10:56 UTC

On 31/8/21 5:07 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 4:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 5:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>> I had something similar in my Austin Healey Sprite, a radio in a
>>>> soft top wasn't very secure so I just took it with me if I parked
>>>> the car in an unsecured spot.
>>>>
>>> Cool idea in their day.
>>>
>> There were a lot of radios that you could just take the front off with
>> the controls.
>
> Yeah, but they came a little bit later though. We're talking about the
> very early 1960's here.
>
>> In the late 80s, the mob that I worked for handed out Laser Gias as
>> company cars.
>
> What, did they not like their employees or something? :)
>
>> They were fitted with a rather nice radio, unfortunately a competent
>> thief could smash the drivers window and have the radio out in less
>> than 30 seconds. Virtually every car in the fleet had the radio pinched.
>
> It was a big problem in the 1980's. High end Ford
> Fairmont/Fairlane/LTD's had a (then) nice Pioneer stereo which was a
> "triple deck" with a stand alone tape player and equalizer which if I
> remember was also used by Honda in some of their cars at the time. They
> were a great unit with a decent sound, and they were *always* getting
> pinched.
>
> The problem with that was not so much that they pinched the stereo, but
> the mess they'd make of the dash in ripping the plastic off to get to
> the bolts holding it in place.
>
>
>
That was worse than the radio being stolen.
VK Commodore radios were very secure, I remember trying to remove mine
and it was a pita, thieves were causing thousands of dollars of damage
to steal a $100 radio.

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 by: Noddy - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:21 UTC

On 31/08/2021 8:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 31/8/21 5:07 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> The problem with that was not so much that they pinched the stereo,
>> but the mess they'd make of the dash in ripping the plastic off to get
>> to the bolts holding it in place.
>>
>>
>>
> That was worse than the radio being stolen.

It was. The repair bill was often worth way more than the replacement
cost of the radio itself.

> VK Commodore radios were very secure, I remember trying to remove mine
> and it was a pita, thieves were causing thousands of dollars of damage
> to steal a $100 radio.

I remember when they stated "security coding" factory radios, which I
always found odd as by the time they started doing so most factory
radios were complete rubbish and no one would have ever been bothered
knocking one off.

But they did, and about all it ever managed to do was piss off everyone
when they got a flat battery.

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Noddy.

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 by: keithr0 - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:21 UTC

On 31/08/2021 5:07 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 4:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 5:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>> I had something similar in my Austin Healey Sprite, a radio in a
>>>> soft top wasn't very secure so I just took it with me if I parked
>>>> the car in an unsecured spot.
>>>>
>>> Cool idea in their day.
>>>
>> There were a lot of radios that you could just take the front off with
>> the controls.
>
> Yeah, but they came a little bit later though. We're talking about the
> very early 1960's here.
>
>> In the late 80s, the mob that I worked for handed out Laser Gias as
>> company cars.
>
> What, did they not like their employees or something? :)
>
>> They were fitted with a rather nice radio, unfortunately a competent
>> thief could smash the drivers window and have the radio out in less
>> than 30 seconds. Virtually every car in the fleet had the radio pinched.
>
> It was a big problem in the 1980's. High end Ford
> Fairmont/Fairlane/LTD's had a (then) nice Pioneer stereo which was a
> "triple deck" with a stand alone tape player and equalizer which if I
> remember was also used by Honda in some of their cars at the time. They
> were a great unit with a decent sound, and they were *always* getting
> pinched.
>
> The problem with that was not so much that they pinched the stereo, but
> the mess they'd make of the dash in ripping the plastic off to get to
> the bolts holding it in place.

Reputedly, all that had to be done was to insert a flat blade
screwdriver under the radio and twist and the whole thing came out.

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 by: Noddy - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:24 UTC

On 1/09/2021 7:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 5:07 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> The problem with that was not so much that they pinched the stereo,
>> but the mess they'd make of the dash in ripping the plastic off to get
>> to the bolts holding it in place.
>
> Reputedly, all that had to be done was to insert a flat blade
> screwdriver under the radio and twist and the whole thing came out.

Don't know as I never tried it, but I saw the after effects of a few of
them that had been ransacked, and they certainly made a mess.

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Noddy.

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 by: Clocky - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 13:35 UTC

On 31/08/2021 4:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 31/8/21 5:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 31/08/2021 4:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest
>>> electrics of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the
>>> wipers, the alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay. The
>>> advance weights in the distributor came out of their cage and ground
>>> a groove in the housing, filling the distributor with aluminium dust.
>>
>> ROTFL :) Fucking nice one :)
>>
>>> All made by "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre of
>>> excellence.
>>
>> Must admit I've never been a big fan of Renaults and thought most of
>> what they made was utter crap. However I have to give them credit
>> where it's due. The engine in my Navara, which is a Renault V9X, is
>> absolutely brilliant.
>>
>>
> They were mostly crap then and nothing has changed since. The engine in
> your Navara is *proof* they are still crap. Timing chains that are a
> better fit on a *bicycle*, FFS.
>

Timing chains isn't really an issue on the V9X... they spin bearings
instead.

Must be because the location tang is no good... [snigger] :-)

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 by: Clocky - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 13:38 UTC

On 1/09/2021 9:35 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 4:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 31/8/21 5:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 31/08/2021 4:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 16TS was a good car, unfortunately they had the crappiest
>>>> electrics of any car that I have owned. I had trouble with the
>>>> wipers, the alternator, the starter motor, and the starter relay.
>>>> The advance weights in the distributor came out of their cage and
>>>> ground a groove in the housing, filling the distributor with
>>>> aluminium dust.
>>>
>>> ROTFL :) Fucking nice one :)
>>>
>>>> All made by "Paris Rhone" a mob that made Lucas look like a centre
>>>> of excellence.
>>>
>>> Must admit I've never been a big fan of Renaults and thought most of
>>> what they made was utter crap. However I have to give them credit
>>> where it's due. The engine in my Navara, which is a Renault V9X, is
>>> absolutely brilliant.
>>>
>>>
>> They were mostly crap then and nothing has changed since. The engine
>> in your Navara is *proof* they are still crap. Timing chains that are
>> a better fit on a *bicycle*, FFS.
>>
>
> Timing chains isn't really an issue on the V9X... they spin bearings
> instead.
>
> Must be because the location tang is no good... [snigger] :-)
>
>
>
>

*locating* tang.

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