Hi,

those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other venues including poling stations.
While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
Full name and phone number.
All left open and visible to the next person.
Cannot be legal.

Discuss.

...... Phil

On 27/11/2021 10:53 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Hi,
>
> those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other venues including poling stations.
> While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
> Full name and phone number.
> All left open and visible to the next person.
> Cannot be legal.
>
> Discuss.
>

I put my first name and then only the initial of my last name, plus
phone number, as I have seen other people do.

This is at places where there is no phone signal.

Max the TRoll wrote:
=======
> >
> > those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other venues including poling stations.
> > While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
> > Full name and phone number.
> > All left open and visible to the next person.
> > Cannot be legal.
> >
> > Discuss.
> >
> I put my first name and then only the initial of my last name, plus
> phone number, as I have seen other people do.

** OK.

> This is at places where there is no phone signal.

** Interesting.

But got SFA to do with my question.

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote

> those who have smart phones can use them to check-in
> at shops and other venues including poling stations.

A surprising number don’t bother. Woolys did have one of the
staff check that you had checked in, but I only saw it the once.
I don’t shop very often so its not clear how often they did that.

> While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
> Full name and phone number.
> All left open and visible to the next person.
> Cannot be legal.

Corse its legal, in fact its legally required.

> Discuss.

Get fucked.

Rodbot Ex- Speed Cop Fucking Asshole wrote:

> > While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
> > Full name and phone number.
> > All left open and visible to the next person.
> > Cannot be legal.
>
> Corse its legal, in fact its legally required.

** ROTFLMAO - wot utter bullshit !!

Required to leave you name a phone number for all to see ????

....... Phil

On 27-Nov-21 10:53 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Hi,
>
> those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other venues including poling stations.
> While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
> Full name and phone number.
> All left open and visible to the next person.
> Cannot be legal.
>
> Discuss.
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
>

You can provide an email address instead of your phone number, and use
an email address created specifically for this purpose.

https://gazette.legislation.nsw.gov.au/so/download.w3p?id=Gazette_2021_2021-505.pdf

Schedule 6 Dictionary

contact details, for a person visiting or entering premises, means—
(a) the person’s name, and
(b) the person’s telephone number or email address, and
(c) the time at which the person entered the premises.

Of course, there's little to stop you from providing fake details, and
very little chance of getting prosecuted for it.

Sylvia.

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Max wrote

>>> those who have smart phones can use them to check-in
>>> at shops and other venues including poling stations.
>>> While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
>>> Full name and phone number.

Not legally required to be the full name.
Just says contact details.

>>> All left open and visible to the next person.
>>> Cannot be legal.

>> I put my first name and then only the initial of my last name,
>> plus phone number, as I have seen other people do.
> OK.
>> This is at places where there is no phone signal.

Most of the garage sales who bother with a checking do it that way.
> Interesting.
> But got SFA to do with my question.

Your question is completely irrelevant, as always.

Sylvia Else wrote:
=============> >
> > those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other venues including poling stations.
> > While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
> > Full name and phone number.
> > All left open and visible to the next person.
> > Cannot be legal.
> >
> > Discuss.
> >
> >
>
> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number,
>

** That every bit as bad.

> and use
> an email address created specifically for this purpose.

** That sounds better.

>
> contact details, for a person visiting or entering premises, means—
> (a) the person’s name, and
> (b) the person’s telephone number or email address, and
> (c) the time at which the person entered the premises.
>
> Of course, there's little to stop you from providing fake details, and
> very little chance of getting prosecuted for it.

** Not a legal alternative.

.... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:
================
>>
> > You can provide an email address instead of your phone number,

** See pdf of actual form:

https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf

Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.

IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.

...... Phil

On 27/11/2021 1:14 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 27-Nov-21 10:53 am, Phil Allison wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and
>> other venues including poling stations.
>> While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
>> Full name and phone number.
>> All left open and visible to the next person.
>> Cannot be legal.
>>
>> Discuss.
>>
>>
>>
>> .....  Phil
>>
>
> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number, and use
> an email address created specifically for this purpose.
>
> https://gazette.legislation.nsw.gov.au/so/download.w3p?id=Gazette_2021_2021-505.pdf
>
>
> Schedule 6 Dictionary
>
> contact details, for a person visiting or entering premises, means—
> (a) the person’s name, and
> (b) the person’s telephone number or email address, and
> (c) the time at which the person entered the premises.
>
> Of course, there's little to stop you from providing fake details, and
> very little chance of getting prosecuted for it.
>

Why take any risk like that in getting jail time?

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
>>> Full name and phone number.

No full name required, just contact details.

>>> All left open and visible to the next person.
>>> Cannot be legal.

>> Corse its legal, in fact its legally required.

> ROTFLMAO - wot utter bullshit !!

Fact actually.

> Required to leave you name a phone number for all to see ????

Required to provide contact details, fuckwit.

And doesn’t have to be for all to see either, they are welcome
to have a monkey record your contact details and for no one
to be able to see that except the monkey and Service NSW
if it turns out that an infected person had been there when
you were.

On 27-Nov-21 1:37 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Phil Allison wrote:
> ================
>>>
>>> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number,
>
> ** See pdf of actual form:
>
> https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf
>
> Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.
>
> IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.
>

Typically, writing down a phone number takes less effort.

I think the only time most people are concerned about privacy is after a
lack of it has come back to bite them. Which is to say, when it's too late.

Sylvia.

On 27-Nov-21 1:53 pm, Max wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 1:14 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 27-Nov-21 10:53 am, Phil Allison wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and
>>> other venues including poling stations.
>>> While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
>>> Full name and phone number.
>>> All left open and visible to the next person.
>>> Cannot be legal.
>>>
>>> Discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .....  Phil
>>>
>>
>> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number, and use
>> an email address created specifically for this purpose.
>>
>> https://gazette.legislation.nsw.gov.au/so/download.w3p?id=Gazette_2021_2021-505.pdf
>>
>>
>> Schedule 6 Dictionary
>>
>> contact details, for a person visiting or entering premises, means—
>> (a) the person’s name, and
>> (b) the person’s telephone number or email address, and
>> (c) the time at which the person entered the premises.
>>
>> Of course, there's little to stop you from providing fake details, and
>> very little chance of getting prosecuted for it.
>>
>
> Why take any risk like that in getting jail time?

One could ask the same question about any offence where the gain from
successful commission of the offence is negligible. People still commit
offences.

Sylvia.

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Sylvia Else wrote

>> > those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other
>> > venues including poling stations.
>> > While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
>> > Full name and phone number.
>> > All left open and visible to the next person.
>> > Cannot be legal.

>> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number,

> That every bit as bad.

Bullshit with one you create for that purpose.

>> and use an email address created specifically for this purpose.

> That sounds better.

>> contact details, for a person visiting or entering premises, means—
>> (a) the person’s name, and
>> (b) the person’s telephone number or email address, and
>> (c) the time at which the person entered the premises.
>>
>> Of course, there's little to stop you from providing fake
>> details, and very little chance of getting prosecuted for it.

> Not a legal alternative.

Irrelevant.

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote

>>> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number,

> See pdf of actual form:

> https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf

> Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.

> IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.

Irrelevant, its allowed anyway.

Sylvia Else wrote:
==============
>>>
> >>> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number,
> >
> > ** See pdf of actual form:
> >
> > https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf
> >
> > Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.
> >
> > IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.
>
> >
>
> Typically, writing down a phone number takes less effort.
> I think the only time most people are concerned about privacy is after a
> lack of it has come back to bite them. Which is to say, when it's too late.

** Too true.

Scenario:

Pretty young thing fills in form with her mobile number - while being watched by a male admirer/stalker.
Same young thing uses her email - stalker tracks her down on the internet using it in a search engine.

Swap young thing for someone in public life.
Get the idea?

The safer way to do this is with a tablet PC owned by the venue
where a staffer keys in the info and then it disappears into a locked data base

....... Phil

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Sylvia Else wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote

>>> those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other
>>> venues including poling stations.
>>> While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
>>> Full name and phone number.
>>> All left open and visible to the next person.
>>> Cannot be legal.
>>>
>>> Discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ..... Phil
>>>
>>
>> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number, and use an
>> email address created specifically for this purpose.
>>
>> https://gazette.legislation.nsw.gov.au/so/download.w3p?id=Gazette_2021_2021-505.pdf
>> Schedule 6 Dictionary
>>
>> contact details, for a person visiting or entering premises, means—
>> (a) the person’s name, and
>> (b) the person’s telephone number or email address, and
>> (c) the time at which the person entered the premises.
>>
>> Of course, there's little to stop you from providing fake details, and
>> very little chance of getting prosecuted for it.
>>
>
> Why take any risk like that in getting jail time?

Some are stupid enough to not want to be tracked.

There is no risk of getting caught and you wouldn’t get jail time anyway.

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Sylvia Else wrote

>> >>> You can provide an email address instead of your phone number,
>> >
>> > See pdf of actual form:
>> >
>> > https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf
>> >
>> > Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.
>> >
>> > IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.
>>
>> >
>>
>> Typically, writing down a phone number takes less effort.
>> I think the only time most people are concerned about privacy is after a
>> lack of it has come back to bite them. Which is to say, when it's too
>> late.

> Too true.

But trivially avoidable.

> Scenario:

> Pretty young thing fills in form with her mobile number
> - while being watched by a male admirer/stalker.
> Same young thing uses her email - stalker tracks
> her down on the internet using it in a search engine.

Trivially avoidable by using a unique email for checkins.

> Swap young thing for someone in public life.
> Get the idea?

Trivially avoidable by using the QR code.

> The safer way to do this is with a tablet PC owned
> by the venue where a staffer keys in the info and
> then it disappears into a locked data base

Even safer to use the QR code so even the
store monkey never gets any of your details
and so cant memorise the contact info.

Rodbot Ex- Speed Co ARSEHOLE wrote:
=============================

> >> >
> >> > See pdf of actual form:
> >> >
> >> > https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.
> >> >
> >> > IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.
> >>
> >>
> >> Typically, writing down a phone number takes less effort.
> >> I think the only time most people are concerned about privacy is after a
> >> lack of it has come back to bite them. Which is to say, when it's too
> >> late.
> > Too true.
>
> But trivially avoidable.

** Totally beside the point - you arsehole.

> > Scenario:
>
> > Pretty young thing fills in form with her mobile number
> > - while being watched by a male admirer/stalker.
> > Same young thing uses her email - stalker tracks
> > her down on the internet using it in a search engine.

> Trivially avoidable by using a unique email for checkins.

** Totally beside the point - you arsehole.

> > Swap young thing for someone in public life.
> > Get the idea?
> Trivially avoidable by using the QR code.

** Totally beside the point - you arsehole .

> > The safer way to do this is with a tablet PC owned
> > by the venue where a staffer keys in the info and
> > then it disappears into a locked data base

...... Phil

Some fuckwit claiming to be Filthy Phil
shitted the shit it always shits when its got
done like a fucking dinner, as it always is.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 15:53:34 -0800 (PST), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other venues including poling stations.
>While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
>Full name and phone number.
>All left open and visible to the next person.
>Cannot be legal.
>
>Discuss.
>
>
>
>..... Phil

I was thrown out of a hardware store on Saturday because they "don't
have sign-in sheets", just a QR code page. Of course I don't carry a
mobile gizmo around with me so I was stuffed.

Also, at work I have the whole TELSTRA D.O.T. system, with phones (4
extensions) unlimited bandwidth, all costing $90.00/month, yet they
REFUSE to link a mobile phone to it. Sheer brigandage.

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote

>>those who have smart phones can use them to check-in at shops and other
>>venues including poling stations.
>>While others have to complete a line on a paper register.
>>Full name and phone number.
>>All left open and visible to the next person.
>>Cannot be legal.
>>
>>Discuss.

> I was thrown out of a hardware store on Saturday because
> they "don't have sign-in sheets", just a QR code page. Of
> course I don't carry a mobile gizmo around with me

More fool you.

> so I was stuffed.

And so you should be, you dinosaur.

> Also, at work I have the whole TELSTRA D.O.T. system, with phones
> (4 extensions) unlimited bandwidth, all costing $90.00/month, yet
> they REFUSE to link a mobile phone to it. Sheer brigandage.

On 27/11/21 2:10 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf
>>>
>>> Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.
>>>
>>> IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.
>>
>>>
>>
>> Typically, writing down a phone number takes less effort.
>> I think the only time most people are concerned about privacy is after a
>> lack of it has come back to bite them. Which is to say, when it's too late.
>
> ** Too true.
>
> Scenario:
>
> Pretty young thing fills in form with her mobile number - while being watched by a male admirer/stalker.
> Same young thing uses her email - stalker tracks her down on the internet using it in a search engine.
>
> Swap young thing for someone in public life.
> Get the idea?
>
> The safer way to do this is with a tablet PC owned by the venue
> where a staffer keys in the info and then it disappears into a locked data base
>
>
> ...... Phil
>
Although you have to tell staffer both names and phone number or email
out loud where any one near can hear.

On 30/11/21 9:27 pm, F Murtz wrote:
> On 27/11/21 2:10 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>   Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.
>>>>
>>>> IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Typically, writing down a phone number takes less effort.
>>>   I think the only time most people are concerned about privacy is
>>> after a
>>> lack of it has come back to bite them. Which is to say, when it's too
>>> late.
>>
>>   **  Too true.
>>
>>   Scenario:
>>
>>   Pretty young thing fills in form with her mobile number - while
>> being watched by a male admirer/stalker.
>>   Same young thing uses her email -  stalker tracks her down on the
>> internet using it in a search engine.
>>
>> Swap young thing for someone in public life.
>> Get the idea?
>>
>> The safer way to do this is with a tablet PC owned by the venue
>>   where a staffer keys in the info and then it disappears into a
>> locked data base
>>
>>
>> ......  Phil
>>
> Although you have to tell staffer both names and phone number or email
> out loud where any one near can hear.
afterthought, at least on paper you can use first name and a letter and
purpose made email.

F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Sylvia Else wrote

>>>> https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/COVID-19-record-of-visitors-at-premises-form.pdf

>>>> Several differing forms are in use - the above seems to be the newest.

>>>> IME almost nobody uses the email alternative.

>>> Typically, writing down a phone number takes less effort.

>>> I think the only time most people are concerned about privacy is after a
>>> lack of it has come back to bite them. Which is to say, when it's too
>>> late.

>> Too true.

>> Scenario:

>> Pretty young thing fills in form with her mobile number - while being
>> watched by a male admirer/stalker. Same young thing uses her email -
>> stalker tracks her down on the internet using it in a search engine.

>> Swap young thing for someone in public life.
>> Get the idea?

>> The safer way to do this is with a tablet PC owned by the venue where a
>> staffer keys in the info and then it disappears into a locked data base

> Although you have to tell staffer both names

The law doesn’t say that, just contact details.

And the monkey has no way of knowing if the name
details are correct so you can use a fake name that
you know you used for that so you will know that it
is the fake name you used if they contact you to tell
you that you need to isolate.

> and phone number or email out loud where any one near can hear.

But you can write those down and show
that to the monkey doing the data entry.