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 by: The Happy Hippy - Tue, 10 May 2022 10:05 UTC

It seems the bloc-voting long complained of will ensure they do, unless the professional jury resist the pro-Ukraine propaganda, stands against the cancelling of Ukraine's original choice in a wave of anti-Russian sentiment. Cancelling Russia means there's no clear option of a protest vote in opposition to either.

First semi-final : BBC 3, Tuesday 10 May, 20:00

Second semi-Final : BBC 3, Wednesday 11 May, 20:00

Final : BBC One, Saturday 14 May, 20:00

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 by: TWP - Tue, 10 May 2022 18:32 UTC

On 10/05/2022 11:05, The Happy Hippy wrote:
> It seems the bloc-voting long complained of will ensure they do, unless the professional jury resist the pro-Ukraine propaganda, stands against the cancelling of Ukraine's original choice in a wave of anti-Russian sentiment. Cancelling Russia means there's no clear option of a protest vote in opposition to either.
>
> First semi-final : BBC 3, Tuesday 10 May, 20:00
>
> Second semi-Final : BBC 3, Wednesday 11 May, 20:00
>
> Final : BBC One, Saturday 14 May, 20:00
>

You seem to think the people of Ukraine deserve what has happened to
them - or at the very least no sympathy for it.

There aren't very many Ukrainian tanks surrounding Moscow right now and
the ordinary people in Russia can get a McDonalds substitute in
comparative safety.

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 by: The Happy Hippy - Wed, 11 May 2022 10:40 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 19:32:55 +0100
TWP <ngspammersad@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 10/05/2022 11:05, The Happy Hippy wrote:
> > It seems the bloc-voting long complained of will ensure they do,
> > unless the professional jury resist the pro-Ukraine propaganda,
> > stands against the cancelling of Ukraine's original choice in a
> > wave of anti-Russian sentiment. Cancelling Russia means there's no
> > clear option of a protest vote in opposition to either.
> >
> > First semi-final : BBC 3, Tuesday 10 May, 20:00
> >
> > Second semi-Final : BBC 3, Wednesday 11 May, 20:00
> >
> > Final : BBC One, Saturday 14 May, 20:00
> >
>
>
> You seem to think the people of Ukraine deserve what has happened to
> them - or at the very least no sympathy for it.

No, it's simply that I don't believe Ukraine deserves being handed an advantage just because of the conflict.

If Kalush Orchestra win because they have the best song I have no problem with that. But I don't believe they should win just because "they are Ukrainian and Russia is at war with Ukraine".

I don't have any truck with "we must vote for Ukraine to show we are against Russia" nor "anyone not voting for Ukraine is supporting Russia", which is what's happening, why bookies have made them the favourites to win.

Ukraine will likely win by a landslide, not because they are the best entry, but because any country not handing them douze points will be demonised as "not with us, but against us". Anyone not agreeing Ukraine is the best song will likely give dix points just to save themselves from that.

It would be a brave nation which gives them nil points. They would instantly be damned as Putin supporters, have the mob turn on them.

I will be going through the results to see who did support Ukraine. Others will be going through the list to see who didn't. Those voting know it, will be inclined to appease the mob rather than vote on song merit.

Some will award dix points merely to secure plausible deniability that they didn't vote for Ukraine simply because it was the Ukrainian entry, even though they did.

I predict Ukraine will get at least 760 points, and would lean towards a higher score rather than lower, above 850.

Maybe the UK won't award 12+12 points. We will see. Politics is complex, a song contest shouldn't be.

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 by: The Happy Hippy - Sun, 15 May 2022 00:16 UTC

On Wed, 11 May 2022 11:40:36 +0100
The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:

> I will be going through the results to see who did support Ukraine.
> Others will be going through the list to see who didn't. Those voting
> know it, will be inclined to appease the mob rather than vote on song
> merit.
>
> Some will award dix points merely to secure plausible deniability
> that they didn't vote for Ukraine simply because it was the Ukrainian
> entry, even though they did.
>
> I predict Ukraine will get at least 760 points, and would lean
> towards a higher score rather than lower, above 850.
>
> Maybe the UK won't award 12+12 points. We will see. Politics is
> complex, a song contest shouldn't be.

And more complex than I expected.

It was the most political voting I have ever seen at Eurovision. No way were the UK jury giving Ukraine nil points because they were crap; there was something else at play. Same too for those other juries in pro-Ukrainian countries who gave Ukraine nil points.

That "mustn't be seen as voting for Ukraine" pushed then down to 'just' 631 points, but still almost 200 points ahead of everyone else in a very good field this year.

Juries pushing the political agenda, 12 points for Ukraine -

Poland
Moldova
Latvia
Romania
Lithuania

Those pretending not to be, 10 points for Ukraine -

Germany
France
Iceland


Those hiding the pro-Ukraine agenda or rejecting it, nil points for Ukraine -

UK
Australia
Sweden
Finland
Netherlands
Italy
Spain
Malta
North Macedonia
Estonia
Greece
Bulgaria
Serbia
Croatia

Of course the public couldn't resist the propaganda influence, didn't care, and handed 439 points out of 480 to Ukraine. The UK inevitably gave Ukraine the full 12 points. Which nicely exposed the politicalisation of the jury votes.

The UK did quite well out of the political shenanigans for what I thought was a just above mediocre offering.

Plenty of arse licking from countries supporting the UK for supporting Ukraine, 12 points for the UK -

Ukraine
Germany
France
Belgium
Austria
Azerbaijan
Czech Republic
Georgia

And those trying to hide it, 10 points to the UK -

Israel
Finland
Portugal
Albania
Bulgaria
Moldova
Lithuania

The only countries not giving us any points were -

Australia
Greece
Armenia

Still, at least we can pretend we had the best song for decades even though we didn't.

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 by: The Happy Hippy - Sun, 15 May 2022 15:36 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 01:16:14 +0100
The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:

> It was the most political voting I have ever seen at Eurovision.

It's absolutely bizarre that we simultaneously decided that Ukraine's entry was so damned good that it had to get full points, while considering it so terribly bad that it didn't deserve any points at all.

The public liked it, the bookies had it as favourite to win. Even though I didn't think it was a winner I considered it one of the better entries, placed it around 4th-7th. I didn't and don't know anyone who thought it deserved nil points.

So why did the UK jury give it nil points ?

It seems that either our jury were idiots, couldn't see what everyone else could see, or they made a deliberate decision to give it nil points.

And that would seem to apply to all juries who gave it nil points.

It's even more bizarre that juries of western and NATO countries supporting Ukraine militarily and economically gave nil points. It seems they even resisted the natural urge to give a single point just to show support.

It was expected to win, or at least do well, as it did, so it would be easy to defend giving some points because it was simply a good song.

It was as if an edict had gone out that no Ukrainian supporting western or NATO country must allow its jury to give Ukraine any points. One can only wonder what they feared in giving points.

If the juries had voted as per the public -

1) Ukraine : 878
2) Serbia : 510
3) Moldova : 478
4) Spain : 456
5) UK : 366

If the public had voted as per the juries -

1) UK : 566
2) Sweden : 516
3) Spain : 462
4) Ukraine : 384
5) Portugal : 342

It really does seem the public showed their support for Ukrainians. Wesetern and NATO national juries showed their support for the UK supporting Ukraine.

Which, at the end of the day, is how things work on the political stage.

It seems both Ukraine and the UK have Russia to thank for their Eurovision success.

The lingering mysteries for me are; how Ukrainians have taken national juries giving them nil points, why no one is noting let alone discussing that weird anomaly, and how and why Serbia did so well in the public vote. There's got to be something I couldn't see as I'd placed it in the bottom two.

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 by: Loose Cannon - Sun, 15 May 2022 15:51 UTC

In article <20220515163600.0000381d@ntlworld.invalid>,
The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:

> So why did the UK jury give it nil points ?

Fear of Novichok and Polonium-210?

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 by: The Happy Hippy - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:11 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 15:51:46 +0000 (UTC)
Loose Cannon <efbreg73@gmx-x.comm> wrote:

> In article <20220515163600.0000381d@ntlworld.invalid>,
> The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:
>
> > So why did the UK jury give it nil points ?
>
> Fear of Novichok and Polonium-210?

I doubt that ourselves or other western and NATO countries who are arming and bank-rolling Ukraine to fight Russia, are imposing sanctions on Russia and running a witch-hunt against Putin, are overly worried about the potential of handing out points to Ukraine in a song contest being the catalyst for backlash.

If it were so they would have manipulated the public vote to eliminate support for Ukraine.

I suspect juries were told not to support Ukraine to ensure there could be no basis for claims that support for Ukraine had been dictated. But not out of fear of a backlash.

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 by: Loose Cannon - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:36 UTC

In article <20220515171155.00004588@ntlworld.invalid>,
The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:

> Loose Cannon <efbreg73@gmx-x.comm> wrote:

>> In article <20220515163600.0000381d@ntlworld.invalid>,
>> The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:

>>> So why did the UK jury give it nil points ?
>> Fear of Novichok and Polonium-210?

> I doubt that ourselves or other western and NATO countries who are arming and bank-rolling Ukraine to fight
> Russia, are imposing sanctions on Russia and running a witch-hunt against Putin, are overly worried about the
> potential of handing out points to Ukraine in a song contest being the catalyst for backlash.
>
> If it were so they would have manipulated the public vote to eliminate support for Ukraine.
>
> I suspect juries were told not to support Ukraine to ensure there could be no basis for claims that support for
> Ukraine had been dictated. But not out of fear of a backlash.

It was a joke for Christ's sake.

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 by: The Happy Hippy - Sun, 15 May 2022 17:14 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 16:36:50 +0000 (UTC)
Loose Cannon <efbreg73@gmx-x.comm> wrote:

> In article <20220515171155.00004588@ntlworld.invalid>,
> The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Loose Cannon <efbreg73@gmx-x.comm> wrote:
>
> >> In article <20220515163600.0000381d@ntlworld.invalid>,
> >> The Happy Hippy <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>> So why did the UK jury give it nil points ?
>
> >> Fear of Novichok and Polonium-210?
>
> > I doubt that ourselves or other western and NATO countries who are
> > arming and bank-rolling Ukraine to fight Russia, are imposing
> > sanctions on Russia and running a witch-hunt against Putin, are
> > overly worried about the potential of handing out points to Ukraine
> > in a song contest being the catalyst for backlash.
> >
> > If it were so they would have manipulated the public vote to
> > eliminate support for Ukraine.
> >
> > I suspect juries were told not to support Ukraine to ensure there
> > could be no basis for claims that support for Ukraine had been
> > dictated. But not out of fear of a backlash.
>
> It was a joke for Christ's sake.

There's a convention of using smilies or attributes to indicate as such.

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