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* Guess the speed.Dave Plowman (News)
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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 14:56 UTC

There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
(T-junction)

A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
All other vehicles involved parked.

It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
and pushed that into the car behind.

At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
passenger in the Merc.

Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.

Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.

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 by: R D S - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:32 UTC

On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>
My son has written off two cars, he had to crawl out of one while it was
upside down after a brief period of unconsciousness.

"It's a good job I wasn't speeding", they must think folk are thick.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:53 UTC

On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> (T-junction)
>
> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> All other vehicles involved parked.
>
> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> and pushed that into the car behind.
>
> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> passenger in the Merc.
>
> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>
> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>

It is not unknown for a driver who panics to hit the accelerator instead
of the brake and those things weigh over two tonnes, so can do a lot of
damage even at slow speed. If the police think she was speeding, they
will probably get an accident investigator to take a look.

Any domestic CCTV, yours or neighbours', that might have caught the
incident?

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Jim Stewart ... - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:03 UTC

On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> (T-junction)
>
> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> All other vehicles involved parked.
>
> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> and pushed that into the car behind.
>
> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> passenger in the Merc.
>
> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>
> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>
wummin driver...all we need to know

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 by: soup - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:21 UTC

On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> (T-junction)
>
> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> All other vehicles involved parked.
>
> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> and pushed that into the car behind.
>
> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> passenger in the Merc.
>
> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>
> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.

A Merc, a BMW, a Porsche and a Golf (well the nanny has to drive
something) all in your street , bit Pan-loafy.

Seems like they were doing a lot more than 20 MPH, but :-

I once reversed VERY slowly out of a parking spot merely kissed the car
behind me and yet the assessor listed it as a write-off. During the
entire incident speed was in the 0~5mph range (well it was all in
reverse so 0~-5mph)

Excuse:-

I drive an automatic that moves itself out of my favourite parking spot
all I have to do is feather the brake a bit. This day though I was
parked two spaces along from it which was sloped in the opposite way so
I had to apply a little throttle to help the car out of the space.
Taking a little glance in the mirror' I see a car behind me and gently
apply brake to stop just before him, but of course my foot was on the
throttle not the brake so I didn't stop (in my defense it was first
thing in the morning and I was half asleep).

Bit more experienced now, never nosy park if it can be helped, can't
see me making that mistake again.

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 by: alan_m - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:31 UTC

On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> (T-junction)
>
> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> All other vehicles involved parked.
>
> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> and pushed that into the car behind.
>
> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> passenger in the Merc.
>
> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>
> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>

That what you get when a tank driven at 20mph hits lesser vehicles :)

Possibly she hit the accelerator rather than the brake pedal.

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 by: Andrew - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:37 UTC

On 20/04/2022 16:53, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the
>> end
>> (T-junction)
>>
>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>
>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>
>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>> passenger in the Merc.
>>
>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>>
>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>
>
> It is not unknown for a driver who panics to hit the accelerator instead
> of the brake and those things weigh over two tonnes, so can do a lot of
> damage even at slow speed.

Nearer to 3 tonnes I suspect. Neighbour has a hyundai iconic plug-in
hybrid courtesy car from Enterprise and that is 1,970 Kg.

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 by: Andrew - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:37 UTC

On 20/04/2022 17:03, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the
>> end
>> (T-junction)
>>
>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>
>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>
>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>> passenger in the Merc.
>>
>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>>
>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>
> wummin driver...all we need to know

Probably doing her makeup while driving at 40+ in a 30 zone.

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 by: Jim Stewart ... - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:39 UTC

On 20/04/2022 17:37, Andrew wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 17:03, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>> the end
>>> (T-junction)
>>>
>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>> cat.
>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>
>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>
>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>
>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>> sober.
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>> wummin driver...all we need to know
>
> Probably doing her makeup while driving at 40+ in a 30 zone.
>
and throws her hands up to her face and laughs just after she nearly
kills you ....

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 by: R D S - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:43 UTC

On 20/04/2022 17:37, Andrew wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 17:03, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>> the end
>>> (T-junction)
>>>
>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>> cat.
>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>
>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>
>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>
>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>> sober.
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>> wummin driver...all we need to know
>
> Probably doing her makeup while driving at 40+ in a 30 zone.
>

And on the phone, and chastising the monsters in the back.

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 by: Jock - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 17:36 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 00:56:39 +1000, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the
> end
> (T-junction)
>
> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> All other vehicles involved parked.
>
> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> and pushed that into the car behind.

It was always obvious that you 'live' in a council 'estate' slum with
all the other unionists. '

> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> passenger in the Merc.
>
> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>
> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.

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 by: Jock - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:09 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 02:37:08 +1000, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

> On 20/04/2022 16:53, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the
>>> end
>>> (T-junction)
>>>
>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>> cat.
>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>
>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a
>>> 911
>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>
>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>
>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>> sober.
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>> It is not unknown for a driver who panics to hit the accelerator
>> instead of the brake and those things weigh over two tonnes, so can do
>> a lot of damage even at slow speed.
>
> Nearer to 3 tonnes I suspect.

Very unlikely indeed.

> Neighbour has a hyundai iconic plug-in
> hybrid courtesy car from Enterprise and that is 1,970 Kg.

He didnt say that the Merc is a plug in hybrid or ev.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:51 UTC

On 20/04/2022 17:37, Andrew wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 16:53, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>> the end
>>> (T-junction)
>>>
>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>> cat.
>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>
>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>
>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>
>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>> sober.
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>>
>> It is not unknown for a driver who panics to hit the accelerator
>> instead of the brake and those things weigh over two tonnes, so can do
>> a lot of damage even at slow speed.
>
> Nearer to 3 tonnes I suspect. Neighbour has a hyundai iconic plug-in
> hybrid courtesy car from Enterprise and that is 1,970 Kg.

I think my ML500 was about 2.3 tonne. The specs for the GL series put
them at just under 2.5 tonne. However, mashing the accelerator on
something that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds (or 7.6 in the slower GL models)
will get it moving quite quickly in very short order.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: soup - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 00:17 UTC

On 20/04/2022 19:51, Colin Bignell wrote:

>
> I think my ML500 was about 2.3 tonne. The specs for the GL series put
> them at just under 2.5 tonne. However, mashing the accelerator on
> something that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds (or 7.6 in the slower GL models)
> will get it moving quite quickly in very short order.

Doesn't have to have a normally spectacular acceleration.

My hybrid accelerates like a stabbed rat, when the throttle is 'kicked
down' the engine and the motor are both commanded to accelerate the car.
And as it is very light (in the order of .8 Tonnes).
Giving it a fantastic power to weight ratio, in just the very 'pushing
the wrong pedal' scenario discussed else thread.

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 by: JNugent - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 01:26 UTC

On 20/04/2022 03:56 pm, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> (T-junction)
>
> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> All other vehicles involved parked.
>
> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> and pushed that into the car behind.
>
> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> passenger in the Merc.
>
> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>
> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.

If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 01:47 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:26:53 +1000, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

> On 20/04/2022 03:56 pm, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the
>> end
>> (T-junction)
>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>> cat.
>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>> passenger in the Merc.
>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>> sober.
>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>
> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)

No driveways on his street.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 09:03 UTC

On 20/04/2022 16:32, R D S wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>
>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>
> My son has written off two cars, he had to crawl out of one while it was
> upside down after a brief period of unconsciousness.
>
> "It's a good job I wasn't speeding", they must think folk are thick.

I have altogether written off two cars. In both cases at less than 30mph

--
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 by: Andrew - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:54 UTC

On 20/04/2022 19:51, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 17:37, Andrew wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 16:53, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>> the end
>>>> (T-junction)
>>>>
>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>> cat.
>>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>
>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a
>>>> 911
>>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>
>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>>
>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>> sober.
>>>>
>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is not unknown for a driver who panics to hit the accelerator
>>> instead of the brake and those things weigh over two tonnes, so can
>>> do a lot of damage even at slow speed.
>>
>> Nearer to 3 tonnes I suspect. Neighbour has a hyundai iconic plug-in
>> hybrid courtesy car from Enterprise and that is 1,970 Kg.
>
> I think my ML500 was about 2.3 tonne. The specs for the GL series put
> them at just under 2.5 tonne. However, mashing the accelerator on
> something that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds (or 7.6 in the slower GL models)
> will get it moving quite quickly in very short order.
>

And sideways too, if the road is in any way greasy

Do 4x4 SUV's have 'torque steer' issues like some FWD cars do ?.

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 by: Andrew - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:55 UTC

On 21/04/2022 01:17, soup wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 19:51, Colin Bignell wrote:
>
>>
>> I think my ML500 was about 2.3 tonne. The specs for the GL series put
>> them at just under 2.5 tonne. However, mashing the accelerator on
>> something that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds (or 7.6 in the slower GL
>> models) will get it moving quite quickly in very short order.
>
> Doesn't have to have a normally spectacular  acceleration.
>
>  My hybrid accelerates like a stabbed rat, when the throttle is 'kicked
> down' the engine and the motor are both commanded to accelerate the car.
> And as it is very light (in the order of .8 Tonnes).

Suspiciously light for a hybrid. Make/model ??

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 by: Andrew - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:58 UTC

On 21/04/2022 10:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 16:32, R D S wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>> My son has written off two cars, he had to crawl out of one while it
>> was upside down after a brief period of unconsciousness.
>>
>> "It's a good job I wasn't speeding", they must think folk are thick.
>
> I have altogether written off two cars. In both cases at less than 30mph
>
>
>

If the car is only worth scrap anyway (but road legal and safe) that
is quite easy to do.

Any impact at more than 5mph with an immovable object will do
expensive damage. Fixing a scratch these days is about £250

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 13:22 UTC

In article <jcbq6tFedjU4@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 03:56 pm, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> > There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> > (T-junction)
> >
> > A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> > All other vehicles involved parked.
> >
> > It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> > the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> > rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> > and pushed that into the car behind.
> >
> > At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> > side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> > passenger in the Merc.
> >
> > Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
> >
> > Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.

> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)

You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.

--
*You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 13:25 UTC

In article <M5idnc0T1O0esf3_nZ2dnUU7-dXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> > (T-junction)
> >
> > A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> > All other vehicles involved parked.
> >
> > It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> > the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> > rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> > and pushed that into the car behind.
> >
> > At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> > side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> > passenger in the Merc.
> >
> > Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
> >
> > Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
> >

> It is not unknown for a driver who panics to hit the accelerator instead
> of the brake and those things weigh over two tonnes, so can do a lot of
> damage even at slow speed.

Think that is the likely explanation. If she'd hit the brakes hard when
she saw the cat it would likely only have hit one car. From 20 mph.

> If the police think she was speeding, they
> will probably get an accident investigator to take a look.

> Any domestic CCTV, yours or neighbours', that might have caught the
> incident?

Not heard of any.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 13:47 UTC

On 21/04/2022 13:54, Andrew wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 19:51, Colin Bignell wrote:
....
>> I think my ML500 was about 2.3 tonne. The specs for the GL series put
>> them at just under 2.5 tonne. However, mashing the accelerator on
>> something that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds (or 7.6 in the slower GL
>> models) will get it moving quite quickly in very short order.
>>
>
> And sideways too, if the road is in any way greasy
>
> Do 4x4 SUV's have 'torque steer' issues like some FWD cars do ?.
>

I never noticed any, even with the 5 litre V8 engine in my ML500. My
Triumph 2.5PI RWD did though. If you lifted off quickly at high revs,
the shock of the very heavy engine and gearbox assembly unwinding would
give a very noticeable twitch to the left.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: soup - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:07 UTC

On 21/04/2022 13:55, Andrew wrote:
> On 21/04/2022 01:17, soup wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 19:51, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think my ML500 was about 2.3 tonne. The specs for the GL series put
>>> them at just under 2.5 tonne. However, mashing the accelerator on
>>> something that can do 0-60 in 6 seconds (or 7.6 in the slower GL
>>> models) will get it moving quite quickly in very short order.
>>
>> Doesn't have to have a normally spectacular  acceleration.
>>
>>   My hybrid accelerates like a stabbed rat, when the throttle is
>> 'kicked down' the engine and the motor are both commanded to
>> accelerate the car.
>> And as it is very light (in the order of .8 Tonnes).
>
> Suspiciously light for a hybrid. Make/model ??

A Toyota Yaris .

Ooops seems weight is more in the 1.09 Tonne range

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 by: JNugent - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 18:51 UTC

On 21/04/2022 02:47 am, Rod Speed wrote:

> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>> the end (T-junction)
>>>  A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>> cat.
>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>  It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>  At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>  Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>> sober.
>>>  Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>
>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>
> No driveways on his street.

Gerraway!

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