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* Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
+* Re: Cordless light switchesAndy Burns
|`* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
| +- Re: Cordless light switchesTricky Dicky
| +* Re: Cordless light switchesAndy Burns
| |`* Re: Cordless light switchesARW
| | +- Re: Cordless light switchesAndy Burns
| | `* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
| |  `* Re: Cordless light switchesJohn Rumm
| |   `* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
| |    +* Re: Cordless light switchesChris Green
| |    |`* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
| |    | `* Re: Cordless light switchesJohn Rumm
| |    |  +* Re: Cordless light switchesChris Green
| |    |  |`- Re: Cordless light switchesJohn Rumm
| |    |  +- Re: Cordless light switchesARW
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| |    |`* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
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| |    `* Re: Cordless light switchesARW
| |     `* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
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| |`* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
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| | |`* Re: Cordless light switchesJeff Layman
| | | `* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
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+* Re: Cordless light switchesColin Bignell
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||`- Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
|`* Re: Cordless light switchesRoland Perry
| `- Re: Cordless light switchesColin Bignell
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From: rol...@perry.co.uk (Roland Perry)
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Subject: Cordless light switches
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 19:54:19 +0100
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 by: Roland Perry - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:54 UTC

I've got an upstairs hall light with a shared neutral issue, so after my
recent consumer unit replacement, the downstairs (half of an original
two-way installation) switch has been disconnected.

What I need (I think, I really don't want to start chasing the walls for
new physical wiring) is a light fitting that responds to a pair of
cordless switches, one to be glued on the wall downstairs, the other
upstairs. So that pressing either of them turns the light on/off.

Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind if
the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.

SWMBO has also found a ceiling light with a "night-light" feature, so
that even if switched off, it glows a little after dark. Hopefully that
won't complicate things. [At the moment we have a night-light plugged
into a 13A socket in the upstairs hall, to help prevent us accidentally
falling down the stairs in the dark]
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 19:01 UTC

Roland Perry wrote:

> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind if the
> switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.

The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.

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 by: Roland Perry - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 19:14 UTC

In message <jcb3kpFqtnmU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:01:45 on Wed, 20
Apr 2022, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry wrote:
>
>> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
>>if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>
>The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.

So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
toggle the light?
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Tricky Dicky - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 19:18 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:14:43 PM UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <jcb3kp...@mid.individual.net>, at 20:01:45 on Wed, 20
> Apr 2022, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> remarked:
> >Roland Perry wrote:
> >
> >> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
> >>if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
> >
> >The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
> toggle the light?
> --
> Roland Perry

Correct

Richard

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 19:20 UTC

Roland Perry wrote:

> Andy Burns remarked:
>
>> The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>
> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch individually
> with one controller, and then toggling either one will toggle the light?

Yes.

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 by: ARW - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 19:29 UTC

On 20/04/2022 20:20, Andy Burns wrote:
> Roland Perry wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns remarked:
>>
>>> The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>>
>> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
>> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
>> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
>> toggle the light?
>
> Yes.
>

Or simpler to move both lighting circuits to the same RCD/RCBO.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 19:37 UTC

ARW wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns remarked:
>>>
>>>> The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>>>
>>> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
>>> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
>>> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will toggle
>>> the light?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Or simpler to move both lighting circuits to the same RCD/RCBO.

You'd assume the electrician would have done so, if access the relevant lives
and neutrals was available?

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 by: Chris Green - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:17 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <jcb3kpFqtnmU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:01:45 on Wed, 20
> Apr 2022, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
> >Roland Perry wrote:
> >
> >> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
> >>if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
> >
> >The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>
> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
> toggle the light?

Yes, that's it. I have two pairs like this and they work faultlessly.

--
Chris Green
·

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 by: Brian - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 21:03 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <jcb3kpFqtnmU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:01:45 on Wed, 20
> Apr 2022, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
>>> if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>>
>> The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>
> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
> toggle the light?

You can do it with single way smart switches - you will probably need ‘no
neutral ones’ and may need to swap a few wires - by using the ‘scenes’
function.

The theory is basically this:

Switch 1 actually switches the bulb directly - it is wired to it.

Switch 2 is has power etc but no connection to the bulb.

Switch 1 operates as normal but, in addition, it is set up using the scenes
function to detect changes in switch 2.

If the bulb is on and switch 2 is pushed, it toggles 1 off.

If the bulb is off an 2 is pushed, it toggles 1 on.

The beauty is, you can control from a smart phone. If you buy the right
switches, they will work with a cheap 433 remote fob, plus you can use
Alexa, Google Assistant etc.

There are examples on YouTube.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 22:53 UTC

On 20/04/2022 19:54, Roland Perry wrote:
> I've got an upstairs hall light with a shared neutral issue, so after my
> recent consumer unit replacement, the downstairs (half of an original
> two-way installation) switch has been disconnected.
>
> What I need (I think, I really don't want to start chasing the walls for
> new physical wiring) is a light fitting that responds to a pair of
> cordless switches, one to be glued on the wall downstairs, the other
> upstairs. So that pressing either of them turns the light on/off.
>
> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind if
> the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>
> SWMBO has also found a ceiling light with a "night-light" feature, so
> that even if switched off, it glows a little after dark. Hopefully that
> won't complicate things. [At the moment we have a night-light plugged
> into a 13A socket in the upstairs hall, to help prevent us accidentally
> falling down the stairs in the dark]

I use rechargeable night lights with motion sensors. They last about 10
days on one charge, so a routine charge every Sunday keeps them running.
Also useful when travelling and staying in strange hotel rooms.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Jock - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 01:27 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:53:13 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 20/04/2022 19:54, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I've got an upstairs hall light with a shared neutral issue, so after
>> my recent consumer unit replacement, the downstairs (half of an
>> original two-way installation) switch has been disconnected.
>> What I need (I think, I really don't want to start chasing the walls
>> for new physical wiring) is a light fitting that responds to a pair of
>> cordless switches, one to be glued on the wall downstairs, the other
>> upstairs. So that pressing either of them turns the light on/off.
>> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
>> if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>> SWMBO has also found a ceiling light with a "night-light" feature, so
>> that even if switched off, it glows a little after dark. Hopefully that
>> won't complicate things. [At the moment we have a night-light plugged
>> into a 13A socket in the upstairs hall, to help prevent us accidentally
>> falling down the stairs in the dark]
>
> I use rechargeable night lights with motion sensors. They last about 10
> days on one charge, so a routine charge every Sunday keeps them running.

I use mains powered Hue lights with battery powered movement senors.

Saves an awful lot of farting around and you don't need
to find and press any switch, kinetic or otherwise.

The movement sensor batterys last for years, I havent had to replace any
yet.

Works fine for normal lighting too, you can have night light mode
automatically at night when say getting up for a piss etc.

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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:22 UTC

In message <t3pmuk$jg6$2@dont-email.me>, at 20:29:25 on Wed, 20 Apr
2022, ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> remarked:
>On 20/04/2022 20:20, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns remarked:
>>>
>>>> The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>>>
>>> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
>>> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
>>>individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
>>>toggle the light?
>> Yes.
>
>Or simpler to move both lighting circuits to the same RCD/RCBO.

I discussed that with the electrician, and he's says it's not kosher to
combine two spurs onto one like that.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:25 UTC

In message <hb66ji-5ok.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, at 21:17:21 on Wed, 20 Apr
2022, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <jcb3kpFqtnmU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:01:45 on Wed, 20
>> Apr 2022, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
>> >Roland Perry wrote:
>> >
>> >> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
>> >>if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>> >
>> >The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>>
>> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
>> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
>> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
>> toggle the light?
>
>Yes, that's it. I have two pairs like this and they work faultlessly.

I'm not yet sure how two switches paired with one controller performs
the XOR (rather than OR) function required for two-way operation.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:38 UTC

In message <npadnXjI9v5CE_3_nZ2dnUU7-avNnZ2d@giganews.com>, at 23:53:13
on Wed, 20 Apr 2022, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
remarked:
>On 20/04/2022 19:54, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I've got an upstairs hall light with a shared neutral issue, so after
>>my recent consumer unit replacement, the downstairs (half of an
>>original two-way installation) switch has been disconnected.
>> What I need (I think, I really don't want to start chasing the walls
>>for new physical wiring) is a light fitting that responds to a pair
>>of cordless switches, one to be glued on the wall downstairs, the
>>other upstairs. So that pressing either of them turns the light on/off.
>> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
>>if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>> SWMBO has also found a ceiling light with a "night-light" feature,
>>so that even if switched off, it glows a little after dark. Hopefully
>>that won't complicate things. [At the moment we have a night-light
>>plugged into a 13A socket in the upstairs hall, to help prevent us
>>accidentally falling down the stairs in the dark]
>
>I use rechargeable night lights with motion sensors. They last about 10
>days on one charge, so a routine charge every Sunday keeps them
>running. Also useful when travelling and staying in strange hotel rooms.

I've already got at least twice as many gadgets requiring "routine
charging", than I really want to have to cope with.

Thankfully, the most recent such gadget I bought has a magnetic
connection rather than having to grope around with a mini-usb lead and
socket. (I have a six-way USB charger hub, and it's got on average four
or five things plugged in charging at any one time).

Sadly, my recently bought new smartphone doesn't have wireless charging
(the one it replaced did), so that's another gadget that's going to be
plugged and unplugged a few hundred times in its lifetime.

To be honest, it never occurred to me that it wouldn't, but a quick
check suggests that only about 10% of the "models on the market at the
moment" do.

Anyway, these night-lights would also need some sort of shelf or bracket
in the hall to mount them on I suppose. It's not big enough to have any
furniture in.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:41 UTC

In message <op.1kybncffc5duzs@pvr2.lan>, at 11:27:02 on Thu, 21 Apr
2022, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:53:13 +1000, Colin Bignell
><cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 20/04/2022 19:54, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I've got an upstairs hall light with a shared neutral issue, so
>>>after my recent consumer unit replacement, the downstairs (half of
>>>an original two-way installation) switch has been disconnected.

>>> What I need (I think, I really don't want to start chasing the
>>>walls for new physical wiring) is a light fitting that responds to
>>>a pair of cordless switches, one to be glued on the wall
>>>downstairs, the other upstairs. So that pressing either of them
>>>turns the light on/off.

>>> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't
>>>mind if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic
>>>changing.

>>> SWMBO has also found a ceiling light with a "night-light" feature,
>>>so that even if switched off, it glows a little after dark.
>>>Hopefully that won't complicate things. [At the moment we have a
>>>night-light plugged into a 13A socket in the upstairs hall, to help
>>>prevent us accidentally falling down the stairs in the dark]
>>
>> I use rechargeable night lights with motion sensors. They last about
>>10 days on one charge, so a routine charge every Sunday keeps them
>>running.
>
>I use mains powered Hue lights with battery powered movement senors.
>
>Saves an awful lot of farting around and you don't need
>to find and press any switch, kinetic or otherwise.
>
>The movement sensor batterys last for years, I havent had to replace
>any yet.
>
>Works fine for normal lighting too, you can have night light mode
>automatically at night when say getting up for a piss etc.

That's another option, which might work fine in the upstairs hall, but
you'd need a second motion detector at the bottom of the stair to turn
the light on for anyone about to ascend.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Andy Burns - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 06:08 UTC

Roland Perry wrote:

> I'm not yet sure how two switches paired with one controller performs the XOR
> (rather than OR) function required for two-way operation.

I doubt the controller remembers* each switches state and XORs them all to the
output, it'll just toggle its output for a trigger from any switch paired with it.

[*] in fact, I don't even think the individual switches even remember their own
state, they are retractive toggle switches, not up=off/down=on switches.

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 by: Jeff Layman - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 07:05 UTC

On 21/04/2022 07:08, Andy Burns wrote:
> Roland Perry wrote:
>
>> I'm not yet sure how two switches paired with one controller performs the XOR
>> (rather than OR) function required for two-way operation.
>
> I doubt the controller remembers* each switches state and XORs them all to the
> output, it'll just toggle its output for a trigger from any switch paired with it.
>
>
> [*] in fact, I don't even think the individual switches even remember their own
> state, they are retractive toggle switches, not up=off/down=on switches.

Correct. I've got a dual-gang Quinetic switch to operate wall or ceiling
lights. I'm careful to avoid switching both at the same time as one will
not work and they will get "out of sync". In fact, as Quinetic switches
don't look like ordinary light switches anyway, I wonder why they
designed them to look, and appear to operate, like the ordinary
switches. They should be either a push-and-return button or spring
toggle. Then, if you pushed both by mistake, you'd just have to push the
one which hadn't worked.

--

Jeff

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 by: alan_m - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 07:35 UTC

On 21/04/2022 06:25, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <hb66ji-5ok.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, at 21:17:21 on Wed, 20 Apr
> 2022, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <jcb3kpFqtnmU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:01:45 on Wed, 20
>>> Apr 2022, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
>>> >Roland Perry wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
>>> >>if the  switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>>> >
>>> >The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>>>
>>> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
>>> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
>>> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
>>> toggle the light?
>>
>> Yes, that's it.  I have two pairs like this and they work faultlessly.
>
> I'm not yet sure how two switches paired with one controller performs
> the XOR (rather than OR) function required for two-way operation.

https://youtu.be/xnMkPwlORSU?t=654

This guy fitted the switches in the wall first and then had to go
between the loft and switches to program them. I've seen other
electricians take the switches to the receiver in the loft, program them
there and then fit then into the back boxes afterwards. These switches
don't require wiring or batteries to work - you provide the power when
you click them on/off.

There are plenty of Youtube videos showing some other configurations of
these wireless switches and how to pair and unpair them.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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 by: Colin Bignell - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 07:47 UTC

On 21/04/2022 06:38, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <npadnXjI9v5CE_3_nZ2dnUU7-avNnZ2d@giganews.com>, at 23:53:13
> on Wed, 20 Apr 2022, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> remarked:
>> On 20/04/2022 19:54, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I've got an upstairs hall light with a shared neutral issue, so after
>>> my  recent consumer unit replacement, the downstairs (half of an
>>> original  two-way installation) switch has been disconnected.
>>>  What I need (I think, I really don't want to start chasing the walls
>>> for  new physical wiring) is a light fitting that responds to a pair
>>> of  cordless switches, one to be glued on the wall downstairs, the
>>> other  upstairs. So that pressing either of them turns the light on/off.
>>>  Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
>>> if  the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>>>  SWMBO has also found a ceiling light with a "night-light" feature,
>>> so  that even if switched off, it glows a little after dark.
>>> Hopefully that  won't complicate things. [At the moment we have a
>>> night-light plugged  into a 13A socket in the upstairs hall, to help
>>> prevent us accidentally  falling down the stairs in the dark]
>>
>> I use rechargeable night lights with motion sensors. They last about
>> 10 days on one charge, so a routine charge every Sunday keeps them
>> running. Also useful when travelling and staying in strange hotel rooms.
>
> I've already got at least twice as many gadgets requiring "routine
> charging", than I really want to have to cope with.
>
> Thankfully, the most recent such gadget I bought has a magnetic
> connection rather than having to grope around with a mini-usb lead and
> socket. (I have a six-way USB charger hub, and it's got on average four
> or five things plugged in charging at any one time).
>
> Sadly, my recently bought new smartphone doesn't have wireless charging
> (the one it replaced did), so that's another gadget that's going to be
> plugged and unplugged a few hundred times in its lifetime.
>
> To be honest, it never occurred to me that it wouldn't, but a quick
> check suggests that only about 10% of the "models on the market at the
> moment" do.
>
> Anyway, these night-lights would also need some sort of shelf or bracket
> in the hall to mount them on I suppose. It's not big enough to have any
> furniture in.

Mine have adhesive backed magnetic wall plates they clip into.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Chris Green - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 07:57 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <hb66ji-5ok.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, at 21:17:21 on Wed, 20 Apr
> 2022, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> remarked:
> >Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> >> In message <jcb3kpFqtnmU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:01:45 on Wed, 20
> >> Apr 2022, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
> >> >Roland Perry wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
> >> >>if the switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
> >> >
> >> >The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
> >>
> >> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
> >> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
> >> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
> >> toggle the light?
> >
> >Yes, that's it. I have two pairs like this and they work faultlessly.
>
> I'm not yet sure how two switches paired with one controller performs
> the XOR (rather than OR) function required for two-way operation.

Simple, any time *any* switch paired with the controller is operated
it toggles the controller state. So, even if you have a dozen
switches operating any one of them will change the state of the light.

--
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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:34 UTC

In message <t3qvn6$3vv$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:05:09 on Thu, 21 Apr
2022, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> remarked:
>On 21/04/2022 07:08, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not yet sure how two switches paired with one controller
>>>performs the XOR (rather than OR) function required for two-way
>>>operation.

>> I doubt the controller remembers* each switches state and XORs them
>>all to the output, it'll just toggle its output for a trigger from
>>any switch paired with it.

>> [*] in fact, I don't even think the individual switches even
>>remember their own state, they are retractive toggle switches, not
>>up=off/down=on switches.
>
>Correct. I've got a dual-gang Quinetic switch to operate wall or
>ceiling lights. I'm careful to avoid switching both at the same time as
>one will not work and they will get "out of sync".

Fair enough. So more like a bathroom cord-pull: once for on and another
for off.

>In fact, as Quinetic switches don't look like ordinary light switches
>anyway, I wonder why they designed them to look, and appear to operate,
>like the ordinary switches.

The ones I'm looking at are "architrave" fitting, and look normal.
Although it's the size I'm more interested in.

>They should be either a push-and-return button or spring toggle. Then,
>if you pushed both by mistake, you'd just have to push the one which
>hadn't worked.

--
Roland Perry

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 by: R D S - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:48 UTC

On 20/04/2022 20:14, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <jcb3kpFqtnmU1@mid.individual.net>, at 20:01:45 on Wed, 20
> Apr 2022, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Despite reservations about cordless gadgets in general, I don't mind
>>> if the  switches have batteries in them, requiring periodic changing.
>>
>> The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy harvesting.
>
> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
> toggle the light?

Yeah,
I've had these upstairs at work for a few years and had no bother, I
would highly recommend, not cheap but makes the job a lot easier.

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 by: John Rumm - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 09:59 UTC

On 21/04/2022 06:22, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <t3pmuk$jg6$2@dont-email.me>, at 20:29:25 on Wed, 20 Apr
> 2022, ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 20/04/2022 20:20, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Roland Perry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy Burns remarked:
>>>>
>>>>> The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy
>>>>> harvesting.
>>>>
>>>> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
>>>> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
>>>> individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
>>>> toggle the light?
>>>  Yes.
>>
>> Or simpler to move both lighting circuits to the same RCD/RCBO.
>
> I discussed that with the electrician, and he's says it's not kosher to
> combine two spurs onto one like that.

There is nothing (electrically) dodgy about combining two lighting
circuits onto one MCB - assuming the total load does not exceed the
capacity of the MCB.

There is a user issue, that a fault on the one now larger circuit will
trip all lights rather than just one those on one story.

Sometimes it might be possible to rewire a part of the upstairs circuit
to remove the landing light from that circuit entirely, and connect it
to the downstairs one instead.

--
Cheers,

John.

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 by: Roland Perry - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:20 UTC

In message <t3r9uj$d70$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:59:48 on Thu, 21 Apr
2022, John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> remarked:
>On 21/04/2022 06:22, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <t3pmuk$jg6$2@dont-email.me>, at 20:29:25 on Wed, 20 Apr
>>2022, ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 20/04/2022 20:20, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andy Burns remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Quinetic switches don't need batteries, they use energy
>>>>>>harvesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I understand. I've looked their site and it's not clear how the
>>>>> two-way feature would work. Is it as simple as pairing each switch
>>>>>individually with one controller, and then toggling either one will
>>>>>toggle the light?

>>>>  Yes.
>>>
>>> Or simpler to move both lighting circuits to the same RCD/RCBO.

>> I discussed that with the electrician, and he's says it's not kosher
>>to combine two spurs onto one like that.
>
>There is nothing (electrically) dodgy about combining two lighting
>circuits onto one MCB - assuming the total load does not exceed the
>capacity of the MCB.

Even if both are spurs? That was the issue my electrician had.

>There is a user issue, that a fault on the one now larger circuit will
>trip all lights rather than just one those on one story.

The main safety risk here is the stairs, and whether they are connected
to upstairs, downstairs (or both at the same time) one RCD tripping will
plunge them into darkness anyway.

>Sometimes it might be possible to rewire a part of the upstairs circuit
>to remove the landing light from that circuit entirely, and connect it
>to the downstairs one instead.

It's gaining the necessary access which is a problem. And I definitely
don't want to start cutting new channels in the walls. I suppose one
could run a cable up an outside wall, but I usually try to remove
unsightly outside cables, not install more of them. And that would be a
third spur, dear liza.
--
Roland Perry

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 by: Chris Green - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:08 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> I discussed that with the electrician, and he's says it's not kosher
> >>to combine two spurs onto one like that.
> >
> >There is nothing (electrically) dodgy about combining two lighting
> >circuits onto one MCB - assuming the total load does not exceed the
> >capacity of the MCB.
>
> Even if both are spurs? That was the issue my electrician had.
>
Lighting circuits are not rings, so they are essentially just lots of
spurs in a tree. I suppose you could connect a single feed going from
fitting to fitting but it's certainly not required and there's
absolutely nothing wrong with branching as much as you like as long as
the overall load is OK. You're very unlikely to hit loading limits
nowadays with mostly LEDs.

--
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