Thick as fuck.

A fully refurbished function room and so I dust sheeted up, did my
ceiling damage and found the missing cable and asked the brain dead one
to clean up.

So he then emptied the dust sheet onto the new flooring and went to look
for a sweeping brush.

--
Adam

On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 09:36:25 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
> So he then emptied the dust sheet onto the new flooring

Fairly sure I've done that.

Owain

On 23/04/2022 11:22, Owain Lastname wrote:
> On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 09:36:25 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
>> So he then emptied the dust sheet onto the new flooring
>
> Fairly sure I've done that.

On purpose or by accident?

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 09:36:20 +0100, ARW
<adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Thick as fuck.
>
>A fully refurbished function room and so I dust sheeted up, did my
>ceiling damage and found the missing cable and asked the brain dead one
>to clean up.
>
>So he then emptied the dust sheet onto the new flooring and went to look
>for a sweeping brush.
>

Sack the recruitment department or the training department, or both.
hth

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 21:24:23 +1000, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 09:36:20 +0100, ARW
> <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Thick as fuck.
>>
>> A fully refurbis hed function room and so I dust sheeted up, did my
>> ceiling damage and found the missing cable and asked the brain dead one
>> to clean up.
>>
>> So he then emptied the dust sheet onto the new flooring and went to look
>> for a sweeping brush.
>>
>
> Sack the recruitment department

They may well have a problem with anyone any better applying
and it wouldn't be easy to eliminate ones that stupid during the
selection process.

> or the training department,

That's adam. Personally I would watch what the apprentice
was doing when he started to do the cleanup and tell him he
is doing it wrong if the starts doing the cleanup that stupidly.

> or both.
> hth

Unlikely to.

On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 11:40:29 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
> > Fairly sure I've done that.
> On purpose or by accident?

By accident.

Owain

On 23/04/2022 09:36, ARW wrote:
> Thick as fuck.
>
> A fully refurbished function room and so I dust sheeted up, did my
> ceiling damage and found the missing cable and asked the brain dead one
> to clean up.
>
> So he then emptied the dust sheet onto the new flooring and went to look
> for a sweeping brush.
>

How much lead is in his bones?

Does he need more or less?

"The Man Who Accidentally Killed The Most People In History"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3dnLzthDA

Me, I've handled and even eaten a bit of lead since was young, never
mind car pollution and soldering fumes. Explains a lot :(

--
Adrian C

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:28:12 +0100, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

> On 23/04/2022 09:36, ARW wrote:
>> Thick as fuck.
>>
>> A fully refurbished function room and so I dust sheeted up, did my
>> ceiling damage and found the missing cable and asked the brain dead one
>> to clean up.
>>
>> So he then emptied the dust sheet onto the new flooring and went to look
>> for a sweeping brush.
>>
>
> How much lead is in his bones?
>
> Does he need more or less?
>
> "The Man Who Accidentally Killed The Most People In History"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3dnLzthDA
>
> Me, I've handled and even eaten a bit of lead since was young, never
> mind car pollution and soldering fumes. Explains a lot :(

ISTR that the same man developed CFCs! To invent one disaster ...; to invent
two...!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 24/04/2022 09:54, PeterC wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:28:12 +0100, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2022 09:36, ARW wrote:
>>> Thick as fuck.
>>>
>>> A fully refurbished function room and so I dust sheeted up, did my
>>> ceiling damage and found the missing cable and asked the brain dead one
>>> to clean up.
>>>
>>> So he then emptied the dust sheet onto the new flooring and went to look
>>> for a sweeping brush.
>>>
>>
>> How much lead is in his bones?
>>
>> Does he need more or less?
>>
>> "The Man Who Accidentally Killed The Most People In History"
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3dnLzthDA
>>
>> Me, I've handled and even eaten a bit of lead since was young, never
>> mind car pollution and soldering fumes. Explains a lot :(
>
> ISTR that the same man developed CFCs! To invent one disaster ...; to invent
> two...!

Is there a conspiracy to not name him?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.>

Andy

On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 09:54:07 UTC+1, PeterC wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:28:12 +0100, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

> > "The Man Who Accidentally Killed The Most People In History"
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3dnLzthDA
> >
> > Me, I've handled and even eaten a bit of lead since was young, never
> > mind car pollution and soldering fumes. Explains a lot :(

> ISTR that the same man developed CFCs! To invent one disaster ...; to invent
> two...!

CFCs made domestic refrigeration workable. That has saved a huge number of lives directly by reducing food poisoning, and lots more by reducing costs.
So yeah, no surprise greens think it a bad thing.

On 23/04/2022 17:40, Jock wrote:
> That's adam. Personally I would watch what the apprentice
> was doing when he started to do the cleanup and tell him he
> is doing it wrong if the starts doing the cleanup that stupidly.

Yes but you'd need eyes in the back of your head. These kids can do
stupid things very quickly.

Bill

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:49:19 +1000, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com>
wrote:

> On 23/04/2022 17:40, Jock wrote:
>> That's adam. Personally I would watch what the apprentice
>> was doing when he started to do the cleanup and tell him he
>> is doing it wrong if the starts doing the cleanup that stupidly.

> Yes but you'd need eyes in the back of your head.

Nope.

> These kids can do stupid things very quickly.

Still easy to see how he starts the cleanup in that case
given that he tipped the crap on the floor from the dust
sheet and THEN went looking for a broom to use.

Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and
make sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.

On 25/04/2022 03:44, Jock itch, Rod Speed wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +1000, Jock wrote:

> Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and make
> sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.

Yes, training apprentices, there's a radical thought!

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:49:19 +1000, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2022 17:40, Jock wrote:
>>> That's adam. Personally I would watch what the apprentice
>>> was doing when he started to do the cleanup and tell him he
>>> is doing it wrong if the starts doing the cleanup that stupidly.
>
>> Yes but you'd need eyes in the back of your head.
>
>Nope.
>
>> These kids can do stupid things very quickly.
>
>Still easy to see how he starts the cleanup in that case
>given that he tipped the crap on the floor from the dust
>sheet and THEN went looking for a broom to use.
>
>Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and
>make sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.

Reminds me somewhat of the cleaner in the library re-arranging all the
books neatly on the shelves by size.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On 25/04/2022 03:44, Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:49:19 +1000, williamwright
> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2022 17:40, Jock wrote:
>>> That's adam. Personally I would watch what the apprentice
>>> was doing when he started to do the cleanup and tell him he
>>> is doing it wrong if the starts doing the cleanup that stupidly.
>
>> Yes but you'd need eyes in the back of your head.
>
> Nope.

What do you mean, 'Nope' you annoying person? I was replying to the
general concept of watching apprentices, not to the specific case Adam
mentioned. Please think before you contradict.

Bill

On 25/04/2022 11:24, mechanic wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +1000, Jock wrote:
>
>> Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and make
>> sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.
>
> Yes, training apprentices, there's a radical thought!

But this isn't a training issue. Training is concerned with the special
knowledge required to perform a task. This is simply a matter of sheer
common sense. Anyone in employment should come ready-equipped with a
smattering at least of common sense. It shouldn't be necessary -- indeed
it's probably impossible -- to inculcate common sense.

Adam didn't instruct the boy to not tip the rubbish on the floor because
it would never occur to him that the boy could be so lacking in basic
common sense. Why should it? These boys are training to be electricians,
dealing with hazardous stuff like volts and amps. Anyone so lacking in
basic metal capacity as to do what this boy did should never have got
the job, instead they should be in a cage somewhere eating bananas.

Bill

On 25/04/2022 13:30, williamwright wrote:
> On 25/04/2022 11:24, mechanic wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +1000, Jock wrote:
>>
>>> Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and make
>>> sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.
>>
>> Yes, training apprentices, there's a radical thought!
>
> But this isn't a training issue. Training is concerned with the special
> knowledge required to perform a task. This is simply a matter of sheer
> common sense. Anyone in employment should come ready-equipped with a
> smattering at least of common sense. It shouldn't be necessary -- indeed
> it's probably impossible -- to inculcate common sense.

Common sense comes with usage and experience. That is one purpose of an
apprenticeship. Otherwise they would be doing an engineering degree.

> Adam didn't instruct the boy to not tip the rubbish on the floor because
> it would never occur to him that the boy could be so lacking in basic
> common sense. Why should it?

Yet common sense could suggest that someone is expected to clean up
after them, like mummy. At least he had the sense to look for a brush.

> These boys are training to be electricians,
> dealing with hazardous stuff like volts and amps. Anyone so lacking in
> basic metal capacity as to do what this boy did should never have got
> the job, instead they should be in a cage somewhere eating bananas.

Clearly the apprentice didn't understand what was required. If, after
suitable instruction, he does the same again, that would be the time I
would probably sack him.

On 25/04/2022 15:53, Fredxx wrote:
> On 25/04/2022 13:30, williamwright wrote:
>> On 25/04/2022 11:24, mechanic wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +1000, Jock wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and make
>>>> sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.
>>>
>>> Yes, training apprentices, there's a radical thought!
>>
>> But this isn't a training issue. Training is concerned with the
>> special knowledge required to perform a task. This is simply a matter
>> of sheer common sense. Anyone in employment should come ready-equipped
>> with a smattering at least of common sense. It shouldn't be necessary
>> -- indeed it's probably impossible -- to inculcate common sense.
>
> Common sense comes with usage and experience. That is one purpose of an
> apprenticeship. Otherwise they would be doing an engineering degree.
>
>> Adam didn't instruct the boy to not tip the rubbish on the floor
>> because it would never occur to him that the boy could be so lacking
>> in basic common sense. Why should it?
>
> Yet common sense could suggest that someone is expected to clean up
> after them, like mummy. At least he had the sense to look for a brush.
>
>> These boys are training to be electricians, dealing with hazardous
>> stuff like volts and amps. Anyone so lacking in basic metal capacity
>> as to do what this boy did should never have got the job, instead they
>> should be in a cage somewhere eating bananas.
>
> Clearly the apprentice didn't understand what was required. If, after
> suitable instruction, he does the same again, that would be the time I
> would probably sack him.

He is 19 years old and has done 2 years with another firm and started
with us 2 weeks ago. I expect more.

If it was the 16 year old that after 10 months with us pays no attention
to what is happening and does not listen I would not be surprised.

And by paying no attention and not listening I really mean that. Myself
and a college discussed how we would nail his Mother in a threesome in
front of him (the discussion was in front of him - we were not
discussing actually having a threesome and him standing there and
watching us nail her). Never cottoned on even when we used her name and
what street she lives on.

On 25/04/2022 11:24, mechanic wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +1000, Jock wrote:
>
>> Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and make
>> sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.
>
> Yes, training apprentices, there's a radical thought!

I would prefer not to to the arse wiping.

There parents should have taught them how to do that.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 22:23:01 +1000, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com>
wrote:

> On 25/04/2022 03:44, Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:49:19 +1000, williamwright
>> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/04/2022 17:40, Jock wrote:
>>>> That's adam. Personally I would watch what the apprentice
>>>> was doing when he started to do the cleanup and tell him he
>>>> is doing it wrong if the starts doing the cleanup that stupidly.
>>
>>> Yes but you'd need eyes in the back of your head.
>> Nope.
>
> What do you mean, 'Nope' you annoying person?

Says he carefully deleting from the quoting where I spelt out what I meant.

> I was replying to the general concept of watching apprentices,

Pity that isn't what was being discussed.

> not to the specific case Adam mentioned.

Pity that was what was being discussed.

> Please think before you contradict.

Go and fuck youself. No please, that't an order.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 22:30:23 +1000, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com>
wrote:

> On 25/04/2022 11:24, mechanic wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +1000, Jock wrote:
>>
>>> Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and make
>>> sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.

>> Yes, training apprentices, there's a radical thought!

> But this isn't a training issue.

Of course it is. Apprentices are being trained, they
aren't just cheaper labor. That's what labourers are for.

> Training is concerned with the special knowledge required to perform a
> task.

And in this case the specific task is cleaning
up after dush sheets have been used.

> This is simply a matter of sheer common sense.

Bullshit.

> Anyone in employment should come ready-equipped with a smattering at
> least of common sense.

The reality is that it is only the dregs of the labour market
that become an apprentice now and you are lucky if them
even have enough common sense to close the van door
without fucking it completely.

> It shouldn't be necessary -- indeed it's probably impossible -- to
> inculcate common sense.

But perfectly possible to train an apprentice on how to clean
up when dust sheets are used.

> Adam didn't instruct the boy to not tip the rubbish on the floor because
> it would never occur to him that the boy could be so lacking in basic
> common sense.

But with an apprentice doing something for the first time,
it does make sense to watch how they do it and correct
them when they do something stupid like that. That is
the whole point of the apprentice system.

> Why should it?

Because clearly some are that stupid and even the most
stupid can be told how it should be done.

> These boys are training to be electricians,

And that always involves cleaning up after doing the work.

> dealing with hazardous stuff like volts and amps. Anyone so lacking in
> basic metal capacity as to do what this boy did should never have got
> the job, instead they should be in a cage somewhere eating bananas.

The operation he works for is too stupid to even do a minimal check
of how stupid applicants are, so the trainer should check that an
apprentice is actually not being completely stupid and should tell
the apprentice how it should be done and check that the apprentice
does actually do what he is told. With both electrical work and cleanup.

It is less clear whether the operation he works for has so few
applying to be an apprentice that they have to take what they
can get, or are too incompetent to select the better ones.

On 25/04/2022 18:13, ARW wrote:
> On 25/04/2022 11:24, mechanic wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +1000, Jock wrote:
>>
>>> Or you could get real radical and tell him how to do it and make
>>> sure that he does it the way you tell him to do it.
>>
>> Yes, training apprentices, there's a radical thought!
>
> I would prefer not to to the arse wiping.
>
> There parents should have taught them how to do that.

Unfortunately for you, the potty training seems to have been extended to
later years.
https://www.eric.org.uk/help-at-school-faqs

On 25/04/2022 18:22, Jock wrote:

FUCK OFF Rod

Fuck off Rod

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 12:16:41 UTC+1, AnthonyL wrote:
> Reminds me somewhat of the cleaner in the library re-arranging all the
> books neatly on the shelves by size.

Or, as is popular in some charity shops, in 'colour blocks'

Owain