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* OT: RR SMRThe Natural Philosopher
+* Re: OT: RR SMRAndy Burns
|`- Re: OT: RR SMRThe Natural Philosopher
+* Re: OT: RR SMRJock
|+* Re: OT: RR SMRAnthonyL
||`* Re: OT: RR SMRJock
|| `- Re: OT: RR SMRAnthonyL
|`* Re: OT: RR SMRVir Campestris
| +- Re: OT: RR SMRJock
| `* Re: OT: RR SMRThe Natural Philosopher
|  `- Re: OT: RR SMRJohn Rumm
+* Re: OT: RR SMRFredxx
|`- Re: OT: RR SMRnewshound
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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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Subject: OT: RR SMR
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:49 UTC

" the regulatory part of the process had begun and “will likely complete
in the middle of 2024 … we are trying to work with the UK Government,
and others to get going now placing orders, so we can get power on grid
by 2029"

<https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rolls-Royce-hopes-for-UK-SMR-online-by-2029>

So before even a single bit of concrete can be laid, two years of red
tape and regulatory hoops to jump through. Then4-5 years build out

Imagine if every wind farm had to go through that.

--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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From: use...@andyburns.uk (Andy Burns)
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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:54 UTC

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> "the regulatory part of the process had begun and “will likely complete in the
> middle of 2024

I saw last night that they are starting to make some components for them now, in
anticipation of being allowed without changes ...

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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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Subject: Re: OT: RR SMR
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 14:24 UTC

On 20/04/2022 14:54, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> "the regulatory part of the process had begun and “will likely
>> complete in the middle of 2024
>
> I saw last night that they are starting to make some components for them
> now, in anticipation of being allowed without changes ...
>
>
I think the gummint senses a disaster if they are not on stream PDQ.

--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

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From: kdj...@gmail.com (Jock)
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Subject: Re: OT: RR SMR
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 by: Jock - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 17:05 UTC

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 23:49:27 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> " the regulatory part of the process had begun and “will likely complete
> in the middle of 2024 … we are trying to work with the UK Government,
> and others to get going now placing orders, so we can get power on grid
> by 2029"
>
> <https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rolls-Royce-hopes-for-UK-SMR-online-by-2029>
>
> So before even a single bit of concrete can be laid, two years of red
> tape and regulatory hoops to jump through. Then4-5 years build out
>
> Imagine if every wind farm had to go through that.

But the worst that can happen with a wind farm is that a blade can come
off and at worst chop a hole thru the side of a bus full of people etc.

Same with solar panels, one may well go flying in a gale, but that's about
it.

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From: nos...@please.invalid (AnthonyL)
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 by: AnthonyL - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 19:45 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 03:05:13 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 23:49:27 +1000, The Natural Philosopher =
>
><tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> " the regulatory part of the process had begun and =E2=80=9Cwill likel=
>y complete =
>
>> in the middle of 2024 =E2=80=A6 we are trying to work with the UK Gove=
>rnment, =
>
>> and others to get going now placing orders, so we can get power on gri=
>d =
>
>> by 2029"
>>
>> <https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rolls-Royce-hopes-for-UK-=
>SMR-online-by-2029>
>>
>> So before even a single bit of concrete can be laid, two years of red =
> =
>
>> tape and regulatory hoops to jump through. Then4-5 years build out
>>
>> Imagine if every wind farm had to go through that.
>
>But the worst that can happen with a wind farm is that a blade can come
>off and at worst chop a hole thru the side of a bus full of people etc.
>
>Same with solar panels, one may well go flying in a gale, but that's abo=
>ut =
>
>it.

No, the worst than can happen is that they don't provide power when
it's needed.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

Re: OT: RR SMR

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From: vir.camp...@invalid.invalid (Vir Campestris)
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 by: Vir Campestris - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:56 UTC

On 20/04/2022 18:05, Jock wrote:
> But the worst that can happen with a wind farm is that a blade can come
> off and at worst chop a hole thru the side of a bus full of people etc.
>
> Same with solar panels, one may well go flying in a gale, but that's
> about it.

Well, let's see, The Japanese built a plant in a tsunami zone that
required active cooling in the event of a flood. The radiation leak was
so severe that someone died. ONE.

Grid scale batteries to store 3 days power in case of a winter blocking
high don't exist, so let's use pumped storage.

And don't forget the Banqiao dam...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Banqiao_Dam_failure

Andy

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From: fre...@spam.uk (Fredxx)
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 by: Fredxx - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 22:45 UTC

On 20/04/2022 14:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> " the regulatory part of the process had begun and “will likely complete
> in the middle of 2024 … we are trying to work with the UK Government,
> and others to get going now placing orders, so we can get power on grid
> by 2029"
>
> <https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rolls-Royce-hopes-for-UK-SMR-online-by-2029>
>
>
> So before even a single bit of concrete can be laid, two years of red
> tape and regulatory hoops to jump through. Then4-5 years build out
>
> Imagine if every wind farm had to go through that.

You've clearly never worked in any safety critical field.

If you had you would understand that 2 years is PDQ.

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 by: Jock - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 00:24 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:45:06 +1000, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 03:05:13 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 23:49:27 +1000, The Natural Philosopher =
>>
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> " the regulatory part of the process had begun and =E2=80=9Cwill likel=
>> y complete =
>>
>>> in the middle of 2024 =E2=80=A6 we are trying to work with the UK Gove=
>> rnment, =
>>
>>> and others to get going now placing orders, so we can get power on gri=
>> d =
>>
>>> by 2029"
>>>
>>> <https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rolls-Royce-hopes-for-UK-=
>> SMR-online-by-2029>
>>>
>>> So before even a single bit of concrete can be laid, two years of red =
>> =
>>
>>> tape and regulatory hoops to jump through. Then4-5 years build out
>>>
>>> Imagine if every wind farm had to go through that.
>>
>> But the worst that can happen with a wind farm is that a blade can come
>> off and at worst chop a hole thru the side of a bus full of people etc.
>>
>> Same with solar panels, one may well go flying in a gale, but that's
>> about it.
>
> No, the worst than can happen is that they don't provide power when
> it's needed.

Thats not what the long approval process with the RR SMR is about.

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 by: Jock - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 01:20 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 06:56:31 +1000, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 20/04/2022 18:05, Jock wrote:
>> But the worst that can happen with a wind farm is that a blade can come
>> off and at worst chop a hole thru the side of a bus full of people etc.
>> Same with solar panels, one may well go flying in a gale, but that's
>> about it.
>
> Well, let's see, The Japanese built a plant in a tsunami zone that
> required active cooling in the event of a flood. The radiation leak was
> so severe that someone died. ONE.
>
> Grid scale batteries to store 3 days power in case of a winter blocking
> high don't exist, so let's use pumped storage.
>
> And don't forget the Banqiao dam...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Banqiao_Dam_failure

All irrelevant to why the RR SMR requires a longer approval process than a
wind farm or solar panels do.

I wasn't suggesting that either are better than nukes and have
in fact said repeatedly that nukes leave the alternatives for dead.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 09:00 UTC

On 20/04/2022 21:56, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 18:05, Jock wrote:
>> But the worst that can happen with a wind farm is that a blade can come
>> off and at worst chop a hole thru the side of a bus full of people etc.
>>
>> Same with solar panels, one may well go flying in a gale, but that's
>> about it.
>
> Well, let's see, The Japanese built a plant in a tsunami zone that
> required active cooling in the event of a flood. The radiation leak was
> so severe that someone died. ONE.
>
They did not die of radiation

> Grid scale batteries to store 3 days power in case of a winter blocking
> high don't exist, so let's use pumped storage.
>
> And don't forget the Banqiao dam...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Banqiao_Dam_failure
>
> Andy
>
>

--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

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 by: newshound - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:43 UTC

On 20/04/2022 14:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> " the regulatory part of the process had begun and “will likely complete
> in the middle of 2024 … we are trying to work with the UK Government,
> and others to get going now placing orders, so we can get power on grid
> by 2029"
>
> <https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rolls-Royce-hopes-for-UK-SMR-online-by-2029>
>
>
> So before even a single bit of concrete can be laid, two years of red
> tape and regulatory hoops to jump through. Then4-5 years build out
>
> Imagine if every wind farm had to go through that.
>

Almost any fool could see that at some point SMRs were going to come
into consideration. What is sad is that I think both the ABWR and AP1000
proposed for Wylfa and Moorside have completed GDA (or certainly got
well down the road). Not sure if they started for Hualong One for Bradwell?

At least GDA was a step in the right direction compared to the processes
before it.

Of course we havn't actually had a Government that was seriously
supportive of nuclear power since the 1960's. Even Mrs. Thatcher.

RR have had some seed money and as someone else pointed out, are likely
to be manufacturing as well as designing soon. And of course investors
could still do some site prep "at risk".

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 by: newshound - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:45 UTC

On 20/04/2022 23:45, Fredxx wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 14:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> " the regulatory part of the process had begun and “will likely
>> complete in the middle of 2024 … we are trying to work with the UK
>> Government, and others to get going now placing orders, so we can get
>> power on grid by 2029"
>>
>> <https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rolls-Royce-hopes-for-UK-SMR-online-by-2029>
>>
>>
>> So before even a single bit of concrete can be laid, two years of red
>> tape and regulatory hoops to jump through. Then4-5 years build out
>>
>> Imagine if every wind farm had to go through that.
>
> You've clearly never worked in any safety critical field.
>
> If you had you would understand that 2 years is PDQ.

+1 (excluding the ad hominem remark)

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 by: AnthonyL - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 16:05 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:24:18 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:45:06 +1000, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 03:05:13 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 23:49:27 +1000, The Natural Philosopher =
>>>
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> " the regulatory part of the process had begun and =E2=80=9Cwill likel=
>>> y complete =
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>>> rnment, =
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>>> d =
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>>>> by 2029"
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>>>> <https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rolls-Royce-hopes-for-UK-=
>>> SMR-online-by-2029>
>>>>
>>>> So before even a single bit of concrete can be laid, two years of red =
>>> =
>>>
>>>> tape and regulatory hoops to jump through. Then4-5 years build out
>>>>
>>>> Imagine if every wind farm had to go through that.
>>>
>>> But the worst that can happen with a wind farm is that a blade can come
>>> off and at worst chop a hole thru the side of a bus full of people etc.
>>>
>>> Same with solar panels, one may well go flying in a gale, but that's
>>> about it.
>>
>> No, the worst than can happen is that they don't provide power when
>> it's needed.
>
>Thats not what the long approval process with the RR SMR is about.

Well they'd better get on with it before the worst does happen.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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 by: John Rumm - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 17:30 UTC

On 21/04/2022 10:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 21:56, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 18:05, Jock wrote:
>>> But the worst that can happen with a wind farm is that a blade can come
>>> off and at worst chop a hole thru the side of a bus full of people etc.
>>>
>>> Same with solar panels, one may well go flying in a gale, but that's
>>> about it.
>>
>> Well, let's see, The Japanese built a plant in a tsunami zone that
>> required active cooling in the event of a flood. The radiation leak
>> was so severe that someone died. ONE.
>>
> They did not die of radiation

One has since:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45423575

(although more are killed falling off or getting burnt alive on wind
turbines each year)

--
Cheers,

John.

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