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* OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Rod Speed
+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Richard
+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jeff Gaines
|+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
|+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Chris Hogg
||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Dave Plowman (News)
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||| `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Max Demian
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|||+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
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||| `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....John Rumm
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|+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....billy bookcase
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||||    ||`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
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|+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Colin Bignell
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+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....John Rumm
|`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
| +* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Tim Streater
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| |`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
| | `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....nothanks
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| |     `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
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From: cd...@notformail.com (Cursitor Doom)
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 by: Cursitor Doom - Mon, 2 May 2022 23:22 UTC

There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....

https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 2 May 2022 23:40 UTC

Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote

> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....

> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864

Just because some fool claims something...

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 by: Richard - Tue, 3 May 2022 04:56 UTC

On 03/05/2022 00:22, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>
> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>

Your point is?
Are you afraid?
Better get off the Isle of Man, it's a lot smaller than the UK mainland.

FFS, that twat is quoting the Daily Mail.

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From: jgaines_...@yahoo.co.uk (Jeff Gaines)
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 by: Jeff Gaines - Tue, 3 May 2022 07:13 UTC

On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com>
Cursitor Doom wrote:

>There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>
>https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864

I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles
now.

We let Russia take Crimea so it believes it can take anything else it
likes. I wonder if we need to be able to wave to the Russians from Dover
before our resolve will stiffen?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)

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 by: Jock - Tue, 3 May 2022 07:35 UTC

On Tue, 03 May 2022 17:13:58 +1000, Jeff Gaines
<jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com>
> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>
>> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>
>> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>
> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
> Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
> would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles
> now.

It is much more complicated than that. Britain did nothing when
Adolf grabbed the Sudetenland, Austria and Czechoslovakia.

> We let Russia take Crimea

It was always part of Russia and had been given to the Ukraine
by Russia and the inhabitants decided that they would rather
be back with Russia again in an overwhelming majority. Who
is the UK to tell them that they can't join Russia again ?

> so it believes it can take anything else it likes.

Even Putin isn't that stupid, he won't be taking Poland,
Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Austria etc, you watch.

> I wonder if we need to be able to wave to the Russians from Dover before
> our resolve will stiffen?

All it would take is for Putin to be stupid enough invade a NATO country,

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 by: Chris Hogg - Tue, 3 May 2022 08:27 UTC

On 3 May 2022 07:13:58 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com>
>Cursitor Doom wrote:
>
>>There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>>you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>
>>https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>
>I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
>Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
>would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles
>now.
>
>We let Russia take Crimea so it believes it can take anything else it
>likes. I wonder if we need to be able to wave to the Russians from Dover
>before our resolve will stiffen?

Russia's attitude to human life is very materialistic - they don't put
any more value on it than on any other type of military materiel.
Their attitude is well demonstrated in their defence of Stalingrad and
their subsequent push westwards to Berlin. They just threw troops into
battle, men and women equally, and were unconcerned by high casualty
rates as long as they overwhelmed the enemy and won. Stalin was
ultimately responsible for all that, and now Putin is showing the same
attitude, both towards the Ukrainians and his own troops. He doesn't
care about the casualty rates, civilian or military, on either side.

If he doesn't get his way, he will be highly tempted to use tactical
nuclear weapons, irrespective of the consequences. When dealing with a
maniac dictator such as he, you have to tread carefully.

--
Chris

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 by: billy bookcase - Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01 UTC

"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com> Cursitor Doom
> wrote:
>
>>There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>>you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>
>>https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>
> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the Ukraine invasion,
> if my father's generation had been this cowardly we would all be goose stepping down
> the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles now.

In defeating the Germans the Soviet Union suffered between 20,000,000
and 27,000,000 deaths in WW2 both military and civilian;

The UK lost 450,000 (383,700 military)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country

HTH

bb

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From: jgaines_...@yahoo.co.uk (Jeff Gaines)
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 by: Jeff Gaines - Tue, 3 May 2022 10:55 UTC

On 03/05/2022 in message <t4qr0n$ems$1@dont-email.me> billy bookcase wrote:

>
>"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:xn0nhf7p88fmpof00u@news.individual.net...
>>On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com>
>>Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>
>>>There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>>>you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>>
>>>https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>>
>>I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
>>Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
>>would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles
>>now.
>
>
>In defeating the Germans the Soviet Union suffered between 20,000,000
>and 27,000,000 deaths in WW2 both military and civilian;
>
>The UK lost 450,000 (383,700 military)
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country
>
>HTH
>
>
>bb

It doesn't help at all, it has no relevance.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Indecision is the key to flexibility

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 by: Jeff Layman - Tue, 3 May 2022 11:33 UTC

On 03/05/2022 11:55, Jeff Gaines wrote:

>>
>> In defeating the Germans the Soviet Union suffered between 20,000,000
>> and 27,000,000 deaths in WW2 both military and civilian;
>>
>> The UK lost 450,000 (383,700 military)
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country
>
> It doesn't help at all, it has no relevance.

It has been relevant since military "leaders" started leading from the
back rather than the front. Now it's even more so when they command from
reinforced bunkers a great distance away.

--

Jeff

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 by: Chris Hogg - Tue, 3 May 2022 11:39 UTC

On 3 May 2022 10:55:43 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 03/05/2022 in message <t4qr0n$ems$1@dont-email.me> billy bookcase wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:xn0nhf7p88fmpof00u@news.individual.net...
>>>On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com>
>>>Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>
>>>>There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>>>>you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>>>
>>>>https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>>>
>>>I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
>>>Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
>>>would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles
>>>now.
>>
>>
>>In defeating the Germans the Soviet Union suffered between 20,000,000
>>and 27,000,000 deaths in WW2 both military and civilian;
>>
>>The UK lost 450,000 (383,700 military)
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>
>>bb
>
>It doesn't help at all, it has no relevance.

It supports my view that Russian leaders are indifferent to their
casualties, and are prepared to sacrifice millions to achieve an
objective.

--
Chris

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 by: Andrew - Tue, 3 May 2022 12:08 UTC

On 03/05/2022 08:13, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com>
> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>
>> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>
>> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>
> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
> Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
> would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles
> now.
>

Is spending £billions on German and Japanese cars, trucks,
tractors, white goods, cameras, MRI scanners and electronics
count as Goose-stepping ?

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 by: Andrew - Tue, 3 May 2022 12:09 UTC

On 03/05/2022 10:01, billy bookcase wrote:
> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:xn0nhf7p88fmpof00u@news.individual.net...
>> On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com> Cursitor Doom
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>>> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>>
>> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the Ukraine invasion,
>> if my father's generation had been this cowardly we would all be goose stepping down
>> the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles now.
>
>
> In defeating the Germans the Soviet Union suffered between 20,000,000
> and 27,000,000 deaths in WW2 both military and civilian;
>
> The UK lost 450,000 (383,700 military)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country
>
> HTH
>
>
> bb
>
>

How many millions did Stalin murder outside any war ?

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 by: Chris Hogg - Tue, 3 May 2022 13:03 UTC

On Tue, 3 May 2022 13:09:57 +0100, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

>On 03/05/2022 10:01, billy bookcase wrote:
>> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:xn0nhf7p88fmpof00u@news.individual.net...
>>> On 03/05/2022 in message <9op07hl57s83cjgkejupo9t7suq6sde9mi@4ax.com> Cursitor Doom
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>>>> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>>>
>>> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the Ukraine invasion,
>>> if my father's generation had been this cowardly we would all be goose stepping down
>>> the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles now.
>>
>>
>> In defeating the Germans the Soviet Union suffered between 20,000,000
>> and 27,000,000 deaths in WW2 both military and civilian;
>>
>> The UK lost 450,000 (383,700 military)
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>> bb
>>
>>
>
>How many millions did Stalin murder outside any war ?

Difficult to know precisely, but estimates vary between 7.2 and 9.6
million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin#Total_number_of_victims

He didn't care, just like Putin today.

--
Chris

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Tue, 3 May 2022 14:16 UTC

In article <suo17h1ulkduuhpfd24edkrdtokcpuh11v@4ax.com>,
Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> If he doesn't get his way, he will be highly tempted to use tactical
> nuclear weapons, irrespective of the consequences. When dealing with a
> maniac dictator such as he, you have to tread carefully.

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Tue, 3 May 2022 14:50 UTC

On 03/05/2022 in message <suo17h1ulkduuhpfd24edkrdtokcpuh11v@4ax.com>
Chris Hogg wrote:

>If he doesn't get his way, he will be highly tempted to use tactical
>nuclear weapons, irrespective of the consequences. When dealing with a
>maniac dictator such as he, you have to tread carefully.

OK, understood. You are saying that any maniac dictator can have as much
of the world as he wants since we are too cowardly to stand up to him.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
By the time you can make ends meet they move the ends

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 by: Andy Burns - Tue, 3 May 2022 15:13 UTC

Jeff Gaines wrote:

> Chris Hogg wrote:
>
>> If he doesn't get his way, he will be highly tempted to use tactical
>> nuclear weapons, irrespective of the consequences. When dealing with a
>> maniac dictator such as he, you have to tread carefully.
>
> OK, understood. You are saying that any maniac dictator can have as much of the
> world as he wants since we are too cowardly to stand up to him.

What's being reported about nuclear attacks and 500 metre tsunamis drowning the
UK is purely from his goons on Russian state TV, not worth listening to.

But you sharpen up your ice-axe and toddle over to Moscow if you want.

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From: jgaines_...@yahoo.co.uk (Jeff Gaines)
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 by: Jeff Gaines - Tue, 3 May 2022 15:32 UTC

On 03/05/2022 in message <jdcv4oFbvuhU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:

>Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>>Chris Hogg wrote:
>>
>>>If he doesn't get his way, he will be highly tempted to use tactical
>>>nuclear weapons, irrespective of the consequences. When dealing with a
>>>maniac dictator such as he, you have to tread carefully.
>>
>>OK, understood. You are saying that any maniac dictator can have as much
>>of the world as he wants since we are too cowardly to stand up to him.
>
>What's being reported about nuclear attacks and 500 metre tsunamis
>drowning the UK is purely from his goons on Russian state TV, not worth
>listening to.
>
>But you sharpen up your ice-axe and toddle over to Moscow if you want.

It's the West generally that needs to do the toddling, I can't believe how
people are wringing their hands and saying Putin can have what he wants as
Russia is a nuclear power.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks

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 by: Chris Hogg - Tue, 3 May 2022 15:46 UTC

On 3 May 2022 14:50:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 03/05/2022 in message <suo17h1ulkduuhpfd24edkrdtokcpuh11v@4ax.com>
>Chris Hogg wrote:
>
>>If he doesn't get his way, he will be highly tempted to use tactical
>>nuclear weapons, irrespective of the consequences. When dealing with a
>>maniac dictator such as he, you have to tread carefully.
>
>OK, understood. You are saying that any maniac dictator can have as much
>of the world as he wants since we are too cowardly to stand up to him.

No. It depends on the consequences. If he has weapons of mass
destruction then you have to tread carefully and try to find other
ways of bringing him down. I'm far from convinced that the 'sanctions'
that are being used are as harsh or being applies as fully as they
could be. But if you're prepared for a nuclear war, then nuclear war
is an option. I don't think we are so prepared, which is not
cowardice, unless you regard it as cowardice if millions of people on
both sides don't wish to die without having a say in the matter.

I might ask, as you feel so strongly about it, why haven't you gone to
Ukraine to volunteer? Or are you just happy to let others do that,
while sitting at home in your armchair with an 'I'm all right, Jack'?

--
Chris

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 by: Jock - Tue, 3 May 2022 16:13 UTC

On Tue, 03 May 2022 21:33:04 +1000, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> On 03/05/2022 11:55, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>>>
>>> In defeating the Germans the Soviet Union suffered between 20,000,000
>>> and 27,000,000 deaths in WW2 both military and civilian;
>>>
>>> The UK lost 450,000 (383,700 military)
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country
>> It doesn't help at all, it has no relevance.
>
> It has been relevant since military "leaders" started leading from the
> back rather than the front.

The russians don't do it like that, they have lost a surprising
number of generals in the Ukraine.

> Now it's even more so when they command from reinforced bunkers a great
> distance away.

The russians don't do it like that either.

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 by: John Rumm - Tue, 3 May 2022 16:27 UTC

On 03/05/2022 00:22, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>
> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864

So a TV station produces an unrealistic animation of a nuclear attack on
the uk, but then stops short of showing the effect on Russia of the
direct nuclear response from the UK and other NATO allies?

So are you suggesting that if he is mad enough to end life on earth, we
can fix that by not saying harsh words to the despot?

--
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John.

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 by: Jock - Tue, 3 May 2022 16:33 UTC

On Wed, 04 May 2022 00:16:14 +1000, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <suo17h1ulkduuhpfd24edkrdtokcpuh11v@4ax.com>,
> Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> If he doesn't get his way, he will be highly tempted to use tactical
>> nuclear weapons, irrespective of the consequences. When dealing with a
>> maniac dictator such as he, you have to tread carefully.
>
> Is Putin really so stupid that he doesn't know the consequences of
> starting a nuclear war?

Yeah, its just bluff on his part.

> Even if he his, you can bet there are plenty of
> his generals who aren't.

But it is less clear what say they get on it and unlikely
that if it looks likely that Putin might be that stupid
that they could actually stop him in time or kill him.

And it isn't even clear what the west would do if Putin
did use tactical nuclear weapons. Seems unlikely that
the west would go for a nuclear holocaust. Much more
likely that they would just shrug their shoulders imo.

And it isn't clear if the west is prepared to take out all
the russian hardware being used against the Ukraine
and the west is quite capable of doing that.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Tue, 3 May 2022 16:33 UTC

On 03/05/2022 08:13, Jeff Gaines wrote:
....
> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
> Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
> would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles
> now....

Adolf didn't have strategic nuclear weapons and, if you read Mein Kampf,
it is fairly obvious that Hitler's ambitions lay to the East. He only
came West because Britain and France thought that, with the help of
Poland, they could defeat Germany fairly quickly. We might have done
better to let Hitler and Stalin fight between themselves, then take on
the weakened victor, if necessary.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Chris Hogg - Tue, 3 May 2022 16:44 UTC

On Tue, 3 May 2022 17:33:17 +0100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

>On 03/05/2022 08:13, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>...
>> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
>> Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
>> would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber Alles
>> now....
>
>Adolf didn't have strategic nuclear weapons and, if you read Mein Kampf,
>it is fairly obvious that Hitler's ambitions lay to the East. He only
>came West because Britain and France thought that, with the help of
>Poland, they could defeat Germany fairly quickly. We might have done
>better to let Hitler and Stalin fight between themselves, then take on
>the weakened victor, if necessary.

My english master at school was a major in WW2. He said that when the
allies reached Berlin they should have just kept going, because by
that time the Russian army had been reduced to a pretty poor state,
and the only reason they managed to be as effective as they were
against Hitler was because the German army was in an even poorer
state.

--
Chris

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 by: Jock - Tue, 3 May 2022 16:49 UTC

On Wed, 04 May 2022 01:46:33 +1000, Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> On 3 May 2022 14:50:46 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/05/2022 in message <suo17h1ulkduuhpfd24edkrdtokcpuh11v@4ax.com>
>> Chris Hogg wrote:
>>
>>> If he doesn't get his way, he will be highly tempted to use tactical
>>> nuclear weapons, irrespective of the consequences. When dealing with a
>>> maniac dictator such as he, you have to tread carefully.
>>
>> OK, understood. You are saying that any maniac dictator can have as much
>> of the world as he wants since we are too cowardly to stand up to him.
>
> No. It depends on the consequences. If he has weapons of mass
> destruction then you have to tread carefully and try to find other
> ways of bringing him down. I'm far from convinced that the 'sanctions'
> that are being used are as harsh or being applies as fully as they
> could be.

Of course they aren't given that all but Poland and Bulgaria
are still buying gas from Russia.

> But if you're prepared for a nuclear war,

Not even possible with a full scale nuclear holocaust.

> then nuclear war
> is an option.

No. And it makes absolutely no sense to even contemplate.

> I don't think we are so prepared, which is not
> cowardice, unless you regard it as cowardice if millions of people on
> both sides don't wish to die without having a say in the matter.

In fact a full scale nuclear holocaust could arguable see the end
of civilisation in most of europe and north america.

> I might ask, as you feel so strongly about it, why haven't you gone to
> Ukraine to volunteer?

Because no single individual can do much, even if say that
individual decides that the best approach is to kill Putin.

> Or are you just happy to let others do that,
> while sitting at home in your armchair with an 'I'm all right, Jack'?

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 by: Jock - Tue, 3 May 2022 16:58 UTC

On Wed, 04 May 2022 02:44:45 +1000, Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 3 May 2022 17:33:17 +0100, Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 03/05/2022 08:13, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> ...
>>> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
>>> Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
>>> would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber
>>> Alles
>>> now....
>>
>> Adolf didn't have strategic nuclear weapons and, if you read Mein Kampf,
>> it is fairly obvious that Hitler's ambitions lay to the East. He only
>> came West because Britain and France thought that, with the help of
>> Poland, they could defeat Germany fairly quickly. We might have done
>> better to let Hitler and Stalin fight between themselves, then take on
>> the weakened victor, if necessary.
>
> My english master at school was a major in WW2. He said that when the
> allies reached Berlin they should have just kept going, because by
> that time the Russian army had been reduced to a pretty poor state,

That is complete bullshit.

> and the only reason they managed to be as effective as they were
> against Hitler was because the German army was in an even poorer
> state.

More bullshit.

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