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* OT: Wholesale energy price riseR D S
+* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseAndy Burns
|`* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseAndrew
| `* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseTim Streater
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From: use...@andyburns.uk (Andy Burns)
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 by: Andy Burns - Fri, 6 May 2022 18:04 UTC

Tim Streater wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>
> I suspect a number of their plants are getting a bit elderly, like ours.
> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.

A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy supplies,
but they backtracked on that.

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 by: Tim Streater - Fri, 6 May 2022 18:17 UTC

On 06 May 2022 at 19:04:53 BST, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>>
>> I suspect a number of their plants are getting a bit elderly, like ours.
>> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.
>
> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy supplies,
> but they backtracked on that.

Well you can blame the Geeens and any equivalent of the LibDems for that. It's
what happens when simpletons form political parties.

--
The reason you think government is the solution is because you think freedom is the problem. But the truth is that government ensures that the most evil, ruthless people end up in control, because the state is a single point of failure, and a high-value target of corruption.

Alan Lovejoy

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 by: Jock - Fri, 6 May 2022 18:48 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 04:04:53 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>> I suspect a number of their plants are getting a bit elderly, like
>> ours.
>> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.
>
> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy
> supplies,

Bullshit they did.

> but they backtracked on that.

You are confusing the frogs with the krauts.

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 by: mm0fmf - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:03 UTC

On 06/05/2022 10:06, R D S wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 in message <t52msn$64r$1@dont-email.me> R D S wrote:
>>
>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>
>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>> risen since 2020?
>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>
>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>> at work!
>>
>> Look on the bright side. When I bought my car it held £35 worth f
>> fuel, it now holds £65 worth.
>>
>
> Don't get me started on that, I hit the £99 max paying at the pump
> yesterday before the tank was full.

When it went above £1.20/L I would hit the £99 limit filling my HiLux's
83L tank. Welcome to my world.

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 by: Martin Brown - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:06 UTC

On 06/05/2022 10:06, R D S wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 in message <t52msn$64r$1@dont-email.me> R D S wrote:
>>
>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>
>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>> risen since 2020?
>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>
>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>> at work!
>>
>> Look on the bright side. When I bought my car it held £35 worth f
>> fuel, it now holds £65 worth.
>>
>
> Don't get me started on that, I hit the £99 max paying at the pump
> yesterday before the tank was full.

I have yet to do that but I scout around carefully for the cheapest.

Best I have seen this week was 174.9p/L (highest 184.9).
Bad idea to buy fuel on a motorway!

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

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 by: Andy Burns - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:28 UTC

Jock wrote:

> On Sat, 07 May 2022 04:04:53 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>>>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>>>  I suspect a number of their plants are getting a bit elderly, like ours.
>>> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.
>>
>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy supplies,
>
> Bullshit they did.
>
>> but they backtracked on that.
>
> You are confusing the frogs with the krauts.

nope

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 by: Andy Burns - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:31 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:

> Jock wrote:
>
>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy supplies,
>>
>> Bullshit they did.

<https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx>

"Government policy, set under a former administration in 2014, aimed to reduce
nuclear's share of electricity generation to 50% by 2025. This target was
delayed in 2019 to 2035."

>>> but they backtracked on that.

"In February 2022 France announced plans to build six new reactors and to
consider building a further eight"

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 by: Jock - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:56 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 05:28:45 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Jock wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 04:04:53 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>>>>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>>>> I suspect a number of their plants are getting a bit elderly, like
>>>> ours.
>>>> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.
>>>
>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy
>>> supplies,
>> Bullshit they did.
>>
>>> but they backtracked on that.
>> You are confusing the frogs with the krauts.
>
> nope

France never decided to denuclearise their energy supplies.

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 by: Jock - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:58 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 05:31:36 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Jock wrote:
>>
>>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy
>>>> supplies,
>>>
>>> Bullshit they did.
>
> <https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx>
>
> "Government policy, set under a former administration in 2014, aimed to
> reduce nuclear's share of electricity generation to 50% by 2025.

That isnt denuclearising their energy supplies, just reducing
the nuclear component. And that stupidity has been binned.

> This target was delayed in 2019 to 2035."

And isn't ging to happen.

>>>> but they backtracked on that.
>
> "In February 2022 France announced plans to build six new reactors and
> to consider building a further eight"

So they never did denuclearise their energy supplies.

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 by: Tim Streater - Fri, 6 May 2022 21:09 UTC

On 06 May 2022 at 20:03:08 BST, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 06/05/2022 10:06, R D S wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <t52msn$64r$1@dont-email.me> R D S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>>> risen since 2020?
>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>>> at work!
>>>
>>> Look on the bright side. When I bought my car it held £35 worth f
>>> fuel, it now holds £65 worth.
>>>
>>
>> Don't get me started on that, I hit the £99 max paying at the pump
>> yesterday before the tank was full.
>
> When it went above £1.20/L I would hit the £99 limit filling my HiLux's
> 83L tank. Welcome to my world.

Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
--
First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your oppressors. - George Orwell

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 by: Tim Streater - Fri, 6 May 2022 21:10 UTC

On 06 May 2022 at 20:56:12 BST, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 07 May 2022 05:28:45 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> Jock wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 04:04:53 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>>>>>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>>>>> I suspect a number of their plants are getting a bit elderly, like
>>>>> ours.
>>>>> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy
>>>> supplies,
>>> Bullshit they did.
>>>
>>>> but they backtracked on that.
>>> You are confusing the frogs with the krauts.
>>
>> nope
>
> France never decided to denuclearise their energy supplies.

Mmm, I think Macron decided to do that a couple of years ago. But not just
yet. Unlike the foolish Germans who have actually done some of it.
--
There's no obfuscated Perl contest because it's pointless.

- Jeff Polk

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Fri, 6 May 2022 21:39 UTC

On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
wrote:

>Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?

How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)

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 by: Peter Able - Fri, 6 May 2022 21:52 UTC

On 06/05/2022 13:13, Robin wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 11:44, Peter Able wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 09:39, R D S wrote:
>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>
>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>> risen since 2020?
>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>
>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>> at work!
>>
>> Best chart I've found is:
>>
>> https://www.cliffordtalbot.co.uk/energy-prices/
>>
>> "Show all" covers last seven years.
>>
>> As for justifiable - my supplier is charging me about 50% more for my
>> electricity than the, currently quite stable, wholesale rate.  Huh!
>>
>
> The price you pay includes network costs, social and environmental
> obligations, other direct costs, your supplier's costs and profit
> margin, plus VAT.
>
>
The "price you pay" also includes substantially increased standing charges.

The VAT element is trivial, although it must disappoint those retailers
who now have to nett pay VAT again. Too bad.

PA

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 by: Jock - Fri, 6 May 2022 22:56 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 07:39:53 +1000, Jeff Gaines
<jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>> Vehicle)?
>
> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?

By looking at how much empty space there is in it.

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 by: Jock - Fri, 6 May 2022 22:59 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 07:10:38 +1000, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 06 May 2022 at 20:56:12 BST, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 05:28:45 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jock wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 04:04:53 +1000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>>>>>>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>>>>>> I suspect a number of their plants are getting a bit elderly, like
>>>>>> ours.
>>>>>> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy
>>>>> supplies,
>>>> Bullshit they did.
>>>>
>>>>> but they backtracked on that.
>>>> You are confusing the frogs with the krauts.
>>>
>>> nope
>>
>> France never decided to denuclearise their energy supplies.
>
> Mmm, I think Macron decided to do that a couple of years ago.

Nope, the previous administratiion did decide to add some other stuff.

Nothing even remotely like denuclearise.

> But not just
> yet.

Never decided to denuclarise in fact.

> Unlike the foolish Germans who have actually done some of it.

Nope, they were going to but never did and won't now.

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 by: Jock - Fri, 6 May 2022 23:01 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 07:09:03 +1000, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 06 May 2022 at 20:03:08 BST, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 10:06, R D S wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <t52msn$64r$1@dont-email.me> R D S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>>>> risen since 2020?
>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>>>> at work!
>>>>
>>>> Look on the bright side. When I bought my car it held £35 worth f
>>>> fuel, it now holds £65 worth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't get me started on that, I hit the £99 max paying at the pump
>>> yesterday before the tank was full.
>>
>> When it went above £1.20/L I would hit the £99 limit filling my HiLux's
>> 83L tank. Welcome to my world.
>
> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?

Nope, the randy bugger has 20 kids with 3 wives.

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 6 May 2022 23:09 UTC

On 06/05/2022 06:19 pm, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 06 May 2022 at 17:34:13 BST, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 11:44 am, Peter Able wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/2022 09:39, R D S wrote:
>>
>>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>
>>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>>> risen since 2020?
>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>>> at work!
>>
>>> Best chart I've found is:
>>> https://www.cliffordtalbot.co.uk/energy-prices/
>>> "Show all" covers last seven years.
>>>
>>> As for justifiable - my supplier is charging me about 50% more for my
>>> electricity than the, currently quite stable, wholesale rate. Huh!
>>
>> They must have *some* overheads to cover on top of the wholesale purchases.
>
> Well duh. Who d'ye think pays for their websites, their sales staff who you
> call to get a quote, their billing operation?

They do, of course.

And they have to do that even if they never sell a single Kwh of energy.

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 by: williamwright - Sat, 7 May 2022 00:51 UTC

On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?

If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.

Bill

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 by: Richard - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:05 UTC

On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?

By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.

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 by: Richard - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:16 UTC

On 06/05/2022 11:12, R D S wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 11:07, R D S wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 10:52, Robin wrote:
>>>
>>> Ofgem know.  And they've more than trebled.
>>>
>>> <https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-data-and-research/data-portal/wholesale-market-indicators>
>>>
>> Christ.
>>
>
> You've to wonder why.....
>
> "Firstly, last winter was particularly cold in Europe, which both drove
> up demand and used up stored gas supplies."
>
> Mmmh, we had a really busy March, should I have doubled our prices in
> April?

If you have a monopoly, yes.

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 by: Tim Streater - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:25 UTC

On 07 May 2022 at 00:09:12 BST, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On 06/05/2022 06:19 pm, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 06 May 2022 at 17:34:13 BST, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/2022 11:44 am, Peter Able wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/05/2022 09:39, R D S wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>>>> risen since 2020?
>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>>>> at work!
>>>
>>>> Best chart I've found is:
>>>> https://www.cliffordtalbot.co.uk/energy-prices/
>>>> "Show all" covers last seven years.
>>>>
>>>> As for justifiable - my supplier is charging me about 50% more for my
>>>> electricity than the, currently quite stable, wholesale rate. Huh!
>>>
>>> They must have *some* overheads to cover on top of the wholesale purchases.
>>
>> Well duh. Who d'ye think pays for their websites, their sales staff who you
>> call to get a quote, their billing operation?
>
> They do, of course.
>
> And they have to do that even if they never sell a single Kwh of energy.

In which case they'd go bust toot sweet.

--
"The EU Customs Union is a racket that defends producers in rich countries against producers in poor countries."

Jacob Rees-Mogg MP

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 by: Andrew - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:25 UTC

On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
>> Streater wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>
> By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>

And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
with a single child passenger onboard.

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 by: Tim Streater - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:27 UTC

On 06 May 2022 at 22:39:53 BST, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?

When it and another equally ULV can't pass each other on our local roads. And
in many cases, a ULV and an ordinary car can't either.

--
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place." - Douglas Adams

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 by: Tim Streater - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:36 UTC

On 07 May 2022 at 08:25:43 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
wrote:

> On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
>>> Streater wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>
>>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>>
>> By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>
> And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
> with a single child passenger onboard.

And the apparently rubbish MPG they get. At 70 on the motorway, my car with a
1.8 engine gets 60mpg or better without any apparent problem. Perhaps those
ULV owners bleating about putting £100 worth of fuel in could tell us what
their mpg is and why it's so poor. They could also quote engine size unless
that's an embarrassment.

--
"... you must remember that if you're trying to propagate a creed of poverty, gentleness and tolerance, you need a very rich, powerful, authoritarian organisation to do it." - Vice-Pope Eric

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:40 UTC

On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4sF37rtU1@mid.individual.net> williamwright
wrote:

>On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
>If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.

Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy rather
than anything rational.

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