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* OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Rod Speed
+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Richard
+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jeff Gaines
|+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
|+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Chris Hogg
||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Dave Plowman (News)
|||+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
|||`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Spike
||| +* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
||| |`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Spike
||| | `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
||| `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Max Demian
|||  `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....charles
||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jeff Gaines
|||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Andy Burns
||||`- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jeff Gaines
|||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Chris Hogg
||||+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
||||`- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....#Paul
|||+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
|||`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Martin Brown
||| `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....John Rumm
||+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Tim Streater
||`- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Spike
|+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....billy bookcase
||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jeff Gaines
|||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jeff Layman
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||||`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
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||||  +* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Andy Burns
||||  |`- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
||||  `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
||||   `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Andy Burns
||||    +* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....weel...@gmail.com
||||    |+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Andy Burns
||||    |+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
||||    ||`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
||||    || +- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
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||||    || `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Dave Plowman (News)
||||    ||  `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Fredxx
||||    ||   +- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
||||    ||   +- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Dave Plowman (News)
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||||    ||   `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Rod Speed
||||    |`- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Richard
||||    `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
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||| `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
|||  `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
|||   `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Spike
|||    +- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
|||    `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Max Demian
|||     `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Spike
||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Andrew
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|||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
||||`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
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|||`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....bert
||| `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Chris Hogg
||`- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
|+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Andrew
|+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Colin Bignell
||+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Chris Hogg
|||+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
|||`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Colin Bignell
||| `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
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| `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
|  `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Spike
|   `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
|    `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
+* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....John Rumm
|`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
| +* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Tim Streater
| |+- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....The Natural Philosopher
| |`* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
| | `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....nothanks
| |  `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
| |   `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
| |    `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
| |     `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Cursitor Doom
| |      +- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Chris Hogg
| |      `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....%%
| +- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jock
| +- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Richard
| `* Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....John Rumm
|  `- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....Jethro_uk
`- Re: OT: See where Truss & Johnson's 'tough talking' is taking us....ARW

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From: kdj...@gmail.com (Jock)
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 by: Jock - Wed, 4 May 2022 14:57 UTC

On Wed, 04 May 2022 20:04:07 +1000, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 08:59, Jock wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:31:59 +1000, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> On 03/05/2022 07:13, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>>>> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
>>>> Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
>>>> would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber
>>>> Alles
>>>> now.
>
>>>> We let Russia take Crimea so it believes it can take anything else it
>>>> likes. I wonder if we need to be able to wave to the Russians from
>>>> Dover
>>>> before our resolve will stiffen?
>
>>> During the Cold War the Soviet plan was to use massed armour in
>>> 'operational manoeuvre groups' to break through the defences in West
>>> Germany and get to the Channel ports in two days. Tank commanders posed
>>> as lorry-driver's mates in order to reconnoitre their routes.
>
>> But the first Gulf War proved that that wouldnt work today.
>
> The Soviets weren't using gas-turbine tanks.

It has nothing to do with how they are powered.

>>> The current Russian army, as deployed in Ukraine, is a very poor
>>> descendent of their Cold War predecessors.
>
>> The world has moved on with anti tank and anti APC technology.
>
> The armour/anti-armour war is always under way.

And Putin has just lost 10% of his best main battle tanks and
countless APCs, in fact most of those in the Ukraine.

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 by: Jock - Wed, 4 May 2022 16:06 UTC

On Thu, 05 May 2022 00:57:54 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 04 May 2022 20:04:07 +1000, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2022 08:59, Jock wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:31:59 +1000, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 03/05/2022 07:13, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>>>>> I can't believe how cowardly the western nations are being over the
>>>>> Ukraine invasion, if my father's generation had been this cowardly we
>>>>> would all be goose stepping down the Mall singing Deutschland Uber
>>>>> Alles
>>>>> now.
>>
>>>>> We let Russia take Crimea so it believes it can take anything else it
>>>>> likes. I wonder if we need to be able to wave to the Russians from
>>>>> Dover
>>>>> before our resolve will stiffen?
>>
>>>> During the Cold War the Soviet plan was to use massed armour in
>>>> 'operational manoeuvre groups' to break through the defences in West
>>>> Germany and get to the Channel ports in two days. Tank commanders
>>>> posed
>>>> as lorry-driver's mates in order to reconnoitre their routes.
>>
>>> But the first Gulf War proved that that wouldnt work today.
>>
>> The Soviets weren't using gas-turbine tanks.
>
> It has nothing to do with how they are powered.
>
>>>> The current Russian army, as deployed in Ukraine, is a very poor
>>>> descendent of their Cold War predecessors.
>>
>>> The world has moved on with anti tank and anti APC technology.
>>
>> The armour/anti-armour war is always under way.
>
> And Putin has just lost 10% of his best main battle tanks and
> countless APCs, in fact most of those in the Ukraine.

And there is no way that tanks will be able to be immune to the best anti
tank missiles now.

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 by: #Paul - Wed, 4 May 2022 15:49 UTC

Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> But if you're prepared for a nuclear war, then nuclear war
> is an option.

No one is is even close to being sufficiently prepared for a
nuclear war. Some might think they are, but they are wrong.
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#Paul

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 4 May 2022 18:41 UTC

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> It is Putin's last card. If it fails to terrorize his power is gone and he joins
> the ranks of the Norwegian Blues.

I've been busy all day, have we been nuked yet?

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 by: weel...@gmail.com - Wed, 4 May 2022 19:00 UTC

On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 19:41:36 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> > It is Putin's last card. If it fails to terrorize his power is gone and he joins
> > the ranks of the Norwegian Blues.
>
> I've been busy all day, have we been nuked yet?

It has been reported Putin has cancer, IF that was diagnosed to be terminal then he has nothing to lose so may well press the `red` button.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 4 May 2022 19:10 UTC

weel...@gmail.com wrote:

> It has been reported Putin has cancer,

I've heard that said, but it could be the West's propaganda.

> IF that was diagnosed to be terminal then he has nothing to lose so may well press the `red` button.

supposedly he's picked a number 2 who he trusts to hover over the big red button
while he's under the knife ... hope he trusts his anaesthetist ...

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 by: Jock - Wed, 4 May 2022 19:36 UTC

On Thu, 05 May 2022 05:00:35 +1000, weel...@gmail.com
<weels1951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 19:41:36 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> > It is Putin's last card. If it fails to terrorize his power is gone
>> and he joins
>> > the ranks of the Norwegian Blues.
>>
>> I've been busy all day, have we been nuked yet?
>
> It has been reported Putin has cancer, IF that was diagnosed to be
> terminal then he has nothing to lose so may well press the `red` button.

He has a wife and a number of children, stupid.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Wed, 4 May 2022 21:26 UTC

On Thu, 05 May 2022 05:36:43 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 05 May 2022 05:00:35 +1000, weel...@gmail.com
><weels1951@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 19:41:36 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> > It is Putin's last card. If it fails to terrorize his power is gone
>>> and he joins
>>> > the ranks of the Norwegian Blues.
>>>
>>> I've been busy all day, have we been nuked yet?
>>
>> It has been reported Putin has cancer, IF that was diagnosed to be
>> terminal then he has nothing to lose so may well press the `red` button.
>
>He has a wife and a number of children, stupid.

You're assuming he'll still be in charge by that point, but that may
not be the case. The West is attempting to oust him in the hope Russia
will get someone with a more Globalist outlook as his replacement. But
there's so much that could go wrong with this approach and we might
well end up with one of those ultra-nationalists instead. And THEY are
*very* scary people indeed. At least Putin has a clear head and is
slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Wed, 4 May 2022 21:45 UTC

On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:46:26 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:29:56 +1000, <nothanks@aolbin.com> wrote:
>
>> On 03/05/2022 22:19, Jock wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 04:12:42 +1000, Tim Streater
>>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03 May 2022 at 19:05:59 BST, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 3 May 2022 17:27:49 +0100, John Rumm
>>>>> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/05/2022 00:22, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip, but
>>>>>>> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So a TV station produces an unrealistic animation of a nuclear
>>>>>> attack on
>>>>>> the uk, but then stops short of showing the effect on Russia of the
>>>>>> direct nuclear response from the UK and other NATO allies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So are you suggesting that if he is mad enough to end life on earth,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> can fix that by not saying harsh words to the despot?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm simply saying that all I'm hearing is people who *should* know
>>>>> better ratcheting up the tension. Where is the fuck is the diplomatic
>>>>> approach? How about a bit of de-escalation, given the cataclysmic
>>>>> consequences of continued bellicose rhetoric?
>>>>
>>>> What would the diplomatic approach consist of?
>>> Going and visiting Putin, sitting at the other end of a very long
>>> table,
>>> come home and wave a piece of paper in the air at the airport.
>>> That worked SO well.
>
>> It worked superbly because it bought time to re-arm
>
>Fat lot of good that did Poland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands etc etc
>etc.
>
>In fact it was only Pearl Harbour that saved the UK's bacon.

Nope. That was Hitler's decision to attack Russia.

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 by: Jock - Wed, 4 May 2022 22:50 UTC

On Thu, 05 May 2022 07:26:09 +1000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 05 May 2022 05:36:43 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 05:00:35 +1000, weel...@gmail.com
>> <weels1951@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 19:41:36 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > It is Putin's last card. If it fails to terrorize his power is gone
>>>> and he joins
>>>> > the ranks of the Norwegian Blues.
>>>>
>>>> I've been busy all day, have we been nuked yet?
>>>
>>> It has been reported Putin has cancer, IF that was diagnosed to be
>>> terminal then he has nothing to lose so may well press the `red`
>>> button.
>>
>> He has a wife and a number of children, stupid.
>
> You're assuming he'll still be in charge by that point,

He has to be to press the red button, stupid.

> but that may
> not be the case. The West is attempting to oust him in the hope Russia
> will get someone with a more Globalist outlook as his replacement.

Irrelevant to your silly line about what he might do if he knows he has
terminal cancer.

> But
> there's so much that could go wrong with this approach and we might
> well end up with one of those ultra-nationalists instead.

> And THEY are
> *very* scary people indeed. At least Putin has a clear head and is
> slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.

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 by: Jock - Wed, 4 May 2022 22:53 UTC

On Thu, 05 May 2022 07:45:08 +1000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:46:26 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:29:56 +1000, <nothanks@aolbin.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/05/2022 22:19, Jock wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 04:12:42 +1000, Tim Streater
>>>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03 May 2022 at 19:05:59 BST, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 3 May 2022 17:27:49 +0100, John Rumm
>>>>>> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03/05/2022 00:22, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>>> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So a TV station produces an unrealistic animation of a nuclear
>>>>>>> attack on
>>>>>>> the uk, but then stops short of showing the effect on Russia of the
>>>>>>> direct nuclear response from the UK and other NATO allies?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So are you suggesting that if he is mad enough to end life on
>>>>>>> earth,
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> can fix that by not saying harsh words to the despot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm simply saying that all I'm hearing is people who *should* know
>>>>>> better ratcheting up the tension. Where is the fuck is the
>>>>>> diplomatic
>>>>>> approach? How about a bit of de-escalation, given the cataclysmic
>>>>>> consequences of continued bellicose rhetoric?
>>>>>
>>>>> What would the diplomatic approach consist of?
>>>> Going and visiting Putin, sitting at the other end of a very long
>>>> table,
>>>> come home and wave a piece of paper in the air at the airport.
>>>> That worked SO well.
>>
>>> It worked superbly because it bought time to re-arm
>>
>> Fat lot of good that did Poland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands etc
>> etc
>> etc.
>>
>> In fact it was only Pearl Harbour that saved the UK's bacon.
>
> Nope.

Fraid so.

> That was Hitler's decision to attack Russia.

It is far from clear that he would have lost if the USA had stayed out of
WW2

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 by: Richard - Thu, 5 May 2022 04:58 UTC

On 04/05/2022 20:00, weel...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 19:41:36 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> It is Putin's last card. If it fails to terrorize his power is gone and he joins
>>> the ranks of the Norwegian Blues.
>>
>> I've been busy all day, have we been nuked yet?
>
> It has been reported Putin has cancer, IF that was diagnosed to be terminal then he has nothing to lose so may well press the `red` button.
One can hope.

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 by: Richard - Thu, 5 May 2022 05:00 UTC

On 04/05/2022 22:26, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Thu, 05 May 2022 05:36:43 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 05:00:35 +1000, weel...@gmail.com
>> <weels1951@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 19:41:36 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is Putin's last card. If it fails to terrorize his power is gone
>>>> and he joins
>>>>> the ranks of the Norwegian Blues.
>>>>
>>>> I've been busy all day, have we been nuked yet?
>>>
>>> It has been reported Putin has cancer, IF that was diagnosed to be
>>> terminal then he has nothing to lose so may well press the `red` button.
>>
>> He has a wife and a number of children, stupid.
>
> You're assuming he'll still be in charge by that point, but that may
> not be the case. The West is attempting to oust him in the hope Russia
> will get someone with a more Globalist outlook as his replacement. But
> there's so much that could go wrong with this approach and we might
> well end up with one of those ultra-nationalists instead. And THEY are
> *very* scary people indeed. At least Putin has a clear head and is
> slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.

Considering your frail mental state, perhaps you should consider moving
to Switzerland and seek treatment at the well respected Dignitas facility.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 5 May 2022 06:52 UTC

On 04/05/2022 19:41, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> It is Putin's last card. If it fails to terrorize his power is gone
>> and he joins the ranks of the Norwegian Blues.
>
> I've been busy all day, have we been nuked yet?
>
Dunno. I woke up this morning and the interwebby thing still works

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Thu, 5 May 2022 14:18 UTC

In article <mjr57hlpbc8bnsl6eph0j90pqi8lv1kqc8@4ax.com>,
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
> At least Putin has a clear head and is
> slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.

Good grief.

--
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 by: Fredxx - Thu, 5 May 2022 14:39 UTC

On 05/05/2022 15:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <mjr57hlpbc8bnsl6eph0j90pqi8lv1kqc8@4ax.com>,
> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>> At least Putin has a clear head and is
>> slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.
>
> Good grief.

There are some instances where a bad leader is deposed and a worse one
succeeds them.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 5 May 2022 14:48 UTC

On 05/05/2022 15:39, Fredxx wrote:
> On 05/05/2022 15:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <mjr57hlpbc8bnsl6eph0j90pqi8lv1kqc8@4ax.com>,
>>     Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> At least Putin has a clear head and is
>>> slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.
>>
>> Good grief.
>
> There are some instances where a bad leader is deposed and a worse one
> succeeds them.
>
>

Exactly true, Mugabe has gone from Zimbabwe, but nothing is any better.

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....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Thu, 5 May 2022 14:54 UTC

In article <t50njk$1q9$2@dont-email.me>,
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
> On 05/05/2022 15:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <mjr57hlpbc8bnsl6eph0j90pqi8lv1kqc8@4ax.com>,
> > Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
> >> At least Putin has a clear head and is
> >> slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.
> >
> > Good grief.

> There are some instances where a bad leader is deposed and a worse one
> succeeds them.

OK. So we should just let Putin do what he likes on the basis of that?

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 15:40:05 UTC+1, Fredxx wrote:
> On 05/05/2022 15:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <mjr57hlpbc8bnsl6e...@4ax.com>,
> > Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
> >> At least Putin has a clear head and is
> >> slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.
> >
> > Good grief.
> There are some instances where a bad leader is deposed and a worse one
> succeeds them.

So what happens then ?, maybe we should have had this appoach with Hitler,
just in case someone worse got in power.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:44 UTC

Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote

>>> At least Putin has a clear head and is
>>> slow to anger. Whoever comes after him may not be so cool.

>> Good grief.

> There are some instances where a bad leaderis deposed and a worse one
> succeeds them.

And that is precisely what happened when Putin replaced Yeltsin.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Sat, 7 May 2022 09:07 UTC

On Thu, 05 May 2022 08:53:08 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 05 May 2022 07:45:08 +1000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:46:26 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:29:56 +1000, <nothanks@aolbin.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/05/2022 22:19, Jock wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 04:12:42 +1000, Tim Streater
>>>>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03 May 2022 at 19:05:59 BST, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 May 2022 17:27:49 +0100, John Rumm
>>>>>>> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/05/2022 00:22, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>>>> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So a TV station produces an unrealistic animation of a nuclear
>>>>>>>> attack on
>>>>>>>> the uk, but then stops short of showing the effect on Russia of the
>>>>>>>> direct nuclear response from the UK and other NATO allies?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So are you suggesting that if he is mad enough to end life on
>>>>>>>> earth,
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> can fix that by not saying harsh words to the despot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm simply saying that all I'm hearing is people who *should* know
>>>>>>> better ratcheting up the tension. Where is the fuck is the
>>>>>>> diplomatic
>>>>>>> approach? How about a bit of de-escalation, given the cataclysmic
>>>>>>> consequences of continued bellicose rhetoric?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would the diplomatic approach consist of?
>>>>> Going and visiting Putin, sitting at the other end of a very long
>>>>> table,
>>>>> come home and wave a piece of paper in the air at the airport.
>>>>> That worked SO well.
>>>
>>>> It worked superbly because it bought time to re-arm
>>>
>>> Fat lot of good that did Poland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands etc
>>> etc
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> In fact it was only Pearl Harbour that saved the UK's bacon.
>>
>> Nope.
>
>Fraid so.
>
>> That was Hitler's decision to attack Russia.
>
>It is far from clear that he would have lost if the USA had stayed out of
>WW2

I've just twigged you're that Australian cunt.

<*plonk*>

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On Sat, 07 May 2022 10:07:44 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
>
>I've just twigged you're that Australian cunt.
>
><*plonk*>

Oh you are slow on the uptake!

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Chris

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On Sat, 07 May 2022 19:07:44 +1000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 05 May 2022 08:53:08 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 May 2022 07:45:08 +1000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:46:26 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 18:29:56 +1000, <nothanks@aolbin.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/05/2022 22:19, Jock wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 04:12:42 +1000, Tim Streater
>>>>>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03 May 2022 at 19:05:59 BST, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 May 2022 17:27:49 +0100, John Rumm
>>>>>>>> <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 03/05/2022 00:22, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> There's no English translation provided for this 2 minute clip,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> you'll get the gist of it all too clearly nevertheless....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1521069215691812864
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So a TV station produces an unrealistic animation of a nuclear
>>>>>>>>> attack on
>>>>>>>>> the uk, but then stops short of showing the effect on Russia of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> direct nuclear response from the UK and other NATO allies?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So are you suggesting that if he is mad enough to end life on
>>>>>>>>> earth,
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> can fix that by not saying harsh words to the despot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm simply saying that all I'm hearing is people who *should* know
>>>>>>>> better ratcheting up the tension. Where is the fuck is the
>>>>>>>> diplomatic
>>>>>>>> approach? How about a bit of de-escalation, given the cataclysmic
>>>>>>>> consequences of continued bellicose rhetoric?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would the diplomatic approach consist of?
>>>>>> Going and visiting Putin, sitting at the other end of a very long
>>>>>> table,
>>>>>> come home and wave a piece of paper in the air at the airport.
>>>>>> That worked SO well.
>>>>
>>>>> It worked superbly because it bought time to re-arm
>>>>
>>>> Fat lot of good that did Poland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands etc
>>>> etc
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> In fact it was only Pearl Harbour that saved the UK's bacon.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>> Fraid so.
>>
>>> That was Hitler's decision to attack Russia.
>>
>> It is far from clear that he would have lost if the USA had stayed out
>> of
>> WW2
>
> I've just twigged you're that Australian cunt.
>
> <*plonk*>

Fat lot of good that will do you, you stupid tax cheating clown.

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