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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 8 May 2022 13:16 UTC

as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
communism is a whole new level below that...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/

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 by: Brian - Sun, 8 May 2022 14:36 UTC

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
> communism is a whole new level below that...
>
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>
>

I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just what
must be in the nappies ;-)

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 by: GB - Sun, 8 May 2022 14:51 UTC

On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>
>>
>
> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just what
> must be in the nappies ;-)
>
>
>

"Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of a
nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"

This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
gave it to his supporters. Those supporters mostly had no idea how to
farm: result, poverty.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Sun, 8 May 2022 15:30 UTC

On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just what
>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of a
> nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>
> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
> productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
> gave it to his supporters. Those supporters  mostly had no idea how to
> farm: result, poverty.

The ruling party is nominally socialist, although the current leader is
encouraging capitalism.

--
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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 15:53 UTC

On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just what
>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of a
> nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>
> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
> productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
> gave it to his supporters. Those supporters  mostly had no idea how to
> farm: result, poverty.

So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
by the British was being cultivated?
I suppose you believe too that the cities were there too when the nasty
British arrived.

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 by: Max Demian - Sun, 8 May 2022 16:29 UTC

On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>> ends
>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/

>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>> what
>>> must be in the nappies ;-)

>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of
>> a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"

The rest is behind a paywall. Not that it matters.

>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
>> productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
>> gave it to his supporters. Those supporters  mostly had no idea how to
>> farm: result, poverty.
>
> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
> by the British was being cultivated?
> I suppose you believe too that the cities were there too when the nasty
> British arrived.

The country is named after a (ruined) city. (Actually "Zimbabwe" just
means "city" - more or less - in one of the African languages.)

--
Max Demian

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 by: GB - Sun, 8 May 2022 18:32 UTC

On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:

> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
> by the British was being cultivated?

Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he machine
gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they were heavily
armed with spears.

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 by: Chris Hogg - Sun, 8 May 2022 18:44 UTC

On Sun, 8 May 2022 14:16:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>communism is a whole new level below that...
>
>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/

I'm surprised they go to that trouble. Sodium polyacrylate is fairly
easily obtained commercially, e.g. on e-bay for example. It comes in
different molecular weights/chain lengths, depending on the intended
application.

It wouldn't surprise me if pure sodium polyacrylate wasn't available
in Zimbabwe, but it is a component in babies nappies, so the 'addicts'
simply extract it. I didn't read the article (pay walled), but I just
don't believe the nappies were 'used'. Why would they be if new ones
are available in the shops?

--
Chris

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On Sun, 08 May 2022 23:16:32 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
> up eating your own pets (Venezuela),

The chinese used to eat the neighbour's children in the pre communism days.

Apparantly it is easier to swap the kids with the neighbours before
eating them than eating your own.

Not as silly as it sounds given that its easy to produce
more kids once the famine has ended.

> but Zimbabwe has shown that true communism is a whole new level below
> that...

Zimbabwe doesn't have true communism.

> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/

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On Mon, 09 May 2022 00:36:47 +1000, Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>
>>
>
> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just what
> must be in the nappies ;-)

Nothing to boggle your "mind", sodium polyacrylate, the absorbant part.

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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:12 UTC

On 08/05/2022 17:29, Max Demian wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>>> ends
>>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>
>
>>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>>> what
>>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>
>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of
>>> a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>
> The rest is behind a paywall. Not that it matters.
>
>>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of
>>> the productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier,
>>> and gave it to his supporters. Those supporters  mostly had no idea
>>> how to farm: result, poverty.
>>
>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
>> by the British was being cultivated?
>> I suppose you believe too that the cities were there too when the
>> nasty British arrived.
>
> The country is named after a (ruined) city. (Actually "Zimbabwe" just
> means "city" - more or less - in one of the African languages.)
>

You know an awful lot (not) about it apparently.

The country as it now is, borders defined by the British. AT the time of
colonisation, it was just an area of land inside a larger area of land.
There were no countries then form which to "steal productive land".

Actually, zimbabwe does not mean city in Shona, which is one of the
African languages within the former Southern Rhodesia. It means house of
stones, or place of stones.

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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:13 UTC

On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>
>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
>> by the British was being cultivated?
>
> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he machine
> gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they were heavily
> armed with spears.

Because it was not stolen.
It was not as productive then as it became with European expertise.

How much do you actually know of countries you have no knowledge of?

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 by: Andy Burns - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:14 UTC

Max Demian wrote:

> GB wrote:
>
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>
>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of a nappy
>> — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>
> The rest is behind a paywall.

Half-hearted paywall

<https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze>

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 by: Chris Hogg - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:21 UTC

On Sun, 8 May 2022 20:14:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Max Demian wrote:
>
>> GB wrote:
>>
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>
>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of a nappy
>>> — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>>
>> The rest is behind a paywall.
>
>Half-hearted paywall
>
><https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze>

Oh, I stand corrected. They are 'used' apparently. Ugh!

--
Chris

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 by: GB - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:32 UTC

On 08/05/2022 20:13, Richard wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>
>> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he machine
>> gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they were
>> heavily armed with spears.
>
> Because it was not stolen.

What do you want to call this process, then? A 'Special Military Operation'?

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 by: GB - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:38 UTC

On 08/05/2022 20:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Sun, 8 May 2022 20:14:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Max Demian wrote:
>>
>>> GB wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>
>>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of a nappy
>>>> — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>>>
>>> The rest is behind a paywall.
>>
>> Half-hearted paywall
>>
>> <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze>
>
> Oh, I stand corrected. They are 'used' apparently. Ugh!
>

I can't find any references to sodium polyacrylate having these
properties. I wonder if there's something else in these nappies?

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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:49 UTC

On 08/05/2022 20:32, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 20:13, Richard wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>
>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>
>>> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he
>>> machine gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they
>>> were heavily armed with spears.
>>
>> Because it was not stolen.
>
> What do you want to call this process, then? A 'Special Military
> Operation'?

Empire building. It is what it was. You have in the past enjoyed and now
enjoy and into the future will enjoy the benefits of that empire.

So stop pointing fingers.
Or you could do the decent thing and give up your possessions to those
poor unfortunates who are boiling nappies for their jollies.

Take a long hard look in the mirror.

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:03 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 02:29:57 +1000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>>> ends
>>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>
>>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>>> what
>>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>
>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of
>>> a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>
> The rest is behind a paywall. Not that it matters.
>
>>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
>>> productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
>>> gave it to his supporters. Those supporters mostly had no idea how to
>>> farm: result, poverty.
>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
>> by the British was being cultivated?
>> I suppose you believe too that the cities were there too when the nasty
>> British arrived.
>
> The country is named after a (ruined) city.

Its a bit overstated to call a place with at most maybe 18K people
and less than 3 square miles in area, a city. More accurately it was
a town. Quite a fancy stone town, sure, and a lot better than the
usual wattle and daube or thatched mud hut, sure.

> (Actually "Zimbabwe" just means "city" - more or less - in one of the
> African languages.)

That's s stretch too given that it was the only one close to that.

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:06 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 04:44:07 +1000, Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 8 May 2022 14:16:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>
> I'm surprised they go to that trouble. Sodium polyacrylate is fairly
> easily obtained commercially, e.g. on e-bay for example. It comes in
> different molecular weights/chain lengths, depending on the intended
> application.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if pure sodium polyacrylate wasn't available
> in Zimbabwe, but it is a component in babies nappies, so the 'addicts'
> simply extract it. I didn't read the article (pay walled), but I just
> don't believe the nappies were 'used'. Why would they be if new ones
> are available in the shops?

And new ones must be available in the shops for there to be used ones.

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 by: GB - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:09 UTC

On 08/05/2022 20:49, Richard wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 20:32, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 20:13, Richard wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>>
>>>> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he
>>>> machine gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they
>>>> were heavily armed with spears.
>>>
>>> Because it was not stolen.
>>
>> What do you want to call this process, then? A 'Special Military
>> Operation'?
>
> Empire building. It is what it was.

What it was was Cecil Rhodes going off on his own trip of brigandry,
with a tiny but well-equipped band of thugs. They murdered and pillaged
for their own benefit.

Probably, they raped, too, but they were the ones keeping the records,
and they didn't mention that aspect.

> You have in the past enjoyed and now
> enjoy and into the future will enjoy the benefits of that empire.

There was no empire by the time I was born. I am really not going to
condone the murderous, criminal enterprises of this disgusting man
simply because he was British.

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:10 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:12:54 +1000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 17:29, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>>>> ends
>>>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that
>>>>>> true
>>>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>
>>>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>>>> what
>>>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>
>>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of
>>>> a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily
>>>> lives"
>> The rest is behind a paywall. Not that it matters.
>>
>>>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of
>>>> the productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier,
>>>> and gave it to his supporters. Those supporters mostly had no idea
>>>> how to farm: result, poverty.
>>>
>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
>>> by the British was being cultivated?
>>> I suppose you believe too that the cities were there too when the
>>> nasty British arrived.
>> The country is named after a (ruined) city. (Actually "Zimbabwe" just
>> means "city" - more or less - in one of the African languages.)
>>
>
> You know an awful lot (not) about it apparently.
>
> The country as it now is, borders defined by the British. AT the time of
> colonisation, it was just an area of land inside a larger area of land..
> There were no countries then form which to "steal productive land".

But there were lots of savages who were using the productive land to feed
themselves who were kicked off that land by the poms who showed up there..

> Actually, zimbabwe does not mean city in Shona, which is one of the
> African languages within the former Southern Rhodesia. It means house of
> stones, or place of stones.

And it isn't big enough to qualify as a city, just a town at most.

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:13 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:13:13 +1000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
>>> by the British was being cultivated?
>> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he machine
>> gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they were
>> heavily armed with spears.

> Because it was not stolen.

Of course it was. It wasn't bought from or given by the savages.

> It was not as productive then as it became with European expertise.

Separate matter entirely.

> How much do you actually know of countries you have no knowledge of?

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:17 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:38:11 +1000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 20:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 20:14:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Max Demian wrote:
>>>
>>>> GB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>>
>>>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part
>>>>> of a nappy
>>>>> — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>>>>
>>>> The rest is behind a paywall.
>>>
>>> Half-hearted paywall
>>>
>>> <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze>
>> Oh, I stand corrected. They are 'used' apparently. Ugh!
>>
>
>
> I can't find any references to sodium polyacrylate having these
> properties. I wonder if there's something else in these nappies?
>
>

Yeah, shit and piss.

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:20 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:49:17 +1000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 20:32, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 20:13, Richard wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>>
>>>> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he
>>>> machine gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they
>>>> were heavily armed with spears.
>>>
>>> Because it was not stolen.
>> What do you want to call this process, then? A 'Special Military
>> Operation'?
>
> Empire building. It is what it was. You have in the past enjoyed and now
> enjoy and into the future will enjoy the benefits of that empire.

Like all those illegal immigrants turning up in rubber boats from France.

> So stop pointing fingers.
> Or you could do the decent thing and give up your possessions to those
> poor unfortunates who are boiling nappies for their jollies.
>
> Take a long hard look in the mirror.

He can't do that, they keep exploding when he does that for some reason.

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On Mon, 09 May 2022 01:30:04 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>> ends
>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>> what
>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of
>> a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
>> productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
>> gave it to his supporters. Those supporters mostly had no idea how to
>> farm: result, poverty.
>
> The ruling party is nominally socialist, although the current leader is
> encouraging capitalism.

All govts are a mix of socialism and capitalism. Even HongKong before
it was handed back to China had quite a bit of socialism with the govt
schools, cops and legal system and roads etc. Same with the USA.

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