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From: Andrew97...@mybtinternet.com (Andrew)
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 by: Andrew - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:45 UTC

On 07/05/2022 08:36, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 07 May 2022 at 08:25:43 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
>>>> Streater wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>>
>>>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>>>
>>> By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>>
>> And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
>> with a single child passenger onboard.
>
> And the apparently rubbish MPG they get. At 70 on the motorway, my car with a
> 1.8 engine gets 60mpg or better without any apparent problem. Perhaps those
> ULV owners bleating about putting £100 worth of fuel in could tell us what
> their mpg is and why it's so poor. They could also quote engine size unless
> that's an embarrassment.
>

I have always maintained that VED should be based on a number of
factors.
Every vehicle should pay a standard amount for the privilege of
using the road system and then the vehicles age, size, fuel type,
the number of driven axles, location and (lack of) off-road
parking should impose additional loading factors on the basic VED.

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From: Andrew97...@mybtinternet.com (Andrew)
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 by: Andrew - Sat, 7 May 2022 07:53 UTC

On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4sF37rtU1@mid.individual.net>
> williamwright wrote:
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>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
> rather than anything rational.
>

It's nothing to do with envy, it's the ever-increasing congestion
and poor air quality in many parts of the UK.

Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.

And for those reliant on buses it means getting to/from work, school
or whatever are doubly impacted.

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 by: Tim Lamb - Sat, 7 May 2022 08:43 UTC

In message <jdlu4sF37rtU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> writes
>On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
>If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.

Flaunting implied status to the detriment of other road users?

Side impact safety is an excuse too far. Of course, borrowing from Jack
Reacher, he may have a need to carry 8'x4' sheets regularly:-)

--
Tim Lamb

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 by: R D S - Sat, 7 May 2022 09:02 UTC

On 07/05/2022 08:36, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 07 May 2022 at 08:25:43 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
>>>> Streater wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>>
>>>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>>>
>>> By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>>
>> And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
>> with a single child passenger onboard.
>
> And the apparently rubbish MPG they get. At 70 on the motorway, my car with a
> 1.8 engine gets 60mpg or better without any apparent problem. Perhaps those
> ULV owners bleating about putting £100 worth of fuel in could tell us what
> their mpg is and why it's so poor. They could also quote engine size unless
> that's an embarrassment.
>

Ive a 2l Volvo D4 diesel, it's fairly frugal, with some consideration I
can get 50+ on a motorway/backroad run. It just has a big tank?

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On 07/05/2022 09:43, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <jdlu4sF37rtU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> writes
>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Flaunting implied status to the detriment of other road users?
>
I've always driven estates because I often find myself shifting stuff
and we usually have a big dog.
We bought a Volvo V50 some years ago. They look bigger than they are and
I got fed up of smacking my head getting in and out of it and when using
the tailgate. Last year we bought a XC60, it looks like a lump but i'm
pretty sure I drive it in a way that it takes up less room than many do
in their super minis.
It's comfortable, fairly frugal and useful, it never occurred to me than
someone in a VW Up or similar might think I was merely dick swinging :)

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Sat, 7 May 2022 10:02 UTC

On 07/05/2022 in message <t558ij$uam$1@gioia.aioe.org> Andrew wrote:

>Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
>a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
>South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
>a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.

Anybody living in a rural area may well need a 4 x 4, try getting across
Salisbury Plain in a 2 WD. People buy what is suitable for them, it's not
up to generation Z or a bunch of snowflakes to tell them what to drive.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Though no-one can go back and make a new start, everyone can start from
now and make a new ending.

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 by: John Rumm - Sat, 7 May 2022 10:47 UTC

On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 06 May 2022 at 20:03:08 BST, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 10:06, R D S wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <t52msn$64r$1@dont-email.me> R D S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>>>> risen since 2020?
>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>>>> at work!
>>>>
>>>> Look on the bright side. When I bought my car it held £35 worth f
>>>> fuel, it now holds £65 worth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't get me started on that, I hit the £99 max paying at the pump
>>> yesterday before the tank was full.
>>
>> When it went above £1.20/L I would hit the £99 limit filling my HiLux's
>> 83L tank. Welcome to my world.
>
> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?

HiLux would suggest a commercial vehicle... The size required is
typically dictated by the job you do with it.

--
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John.

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 by: alan_m - Sat, 7 May 2022 13:11 UTC

On 07/05/2022 08:27, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 06 May 2022 at 22:39:53 BST, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>>
>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>
> When it and another equally ULV can't pass each other on our local roads. And
> in many cases, a ULV and an ordinary car can't either.
>

White van man can achieve passing but those who drive a ULV of exactly
the same size seem to need the whole of a rural road just to able to
drive down.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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 by: R Souls - Sat, 7 May 2022 16:14 UTC

On 6 May 2022 14:52:40 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
wrote:

>On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> R D S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>
>>> rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity prices.
>>
>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>> the taxpayer is paying.
>
>As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the sense
>to go hugely nuclear years ago.

It's not all good news.

https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662

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 by: Andy Burns - Sat, 7 May 2022 18:00 UTC

Martin Brown wrote:

> I scout around carefully for the cheapest.
> Best I have seen this week was 174.9p/L (highest 184.9).

Just filled up with E0 (i.e tesco "E5") at 168 p/l

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 by: Jock - Sat, 7 May 2022 18:03 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 17:25:43 +1000, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

> On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
>>> Streater wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>
>>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>> By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>>
>
> And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
> with a single child passenger onboard.

Few have just the one brat and it makes no difference what type
of car it is to the traffic chaos.

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 by: Jock - Sat, 7 May 2022 18:05 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 17:27:05 +1000, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 06 May 2022 at 22:39:53 BST, "Jeff Gaines"
> <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>
> When it and another equally ULV can't pass each other on our local
> roads. And
> in many cases, a ULV and an ordinary car can't either.

That isn't true of the Chelsea Tractors with large fuel tanks.

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 by: Jock - Sat, 7 May 2022 18:09 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 17:53:54 +1000, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

> On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4sF37rtU1@mid.individual.net>
>> williamwright wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>
>>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
>> rather than anything rational.
>>
>
> It's nothing to do with envy, it's the ever-increasing congestion
> and poor air quality in many parts of the UK.
>
> Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
> a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
> South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
> a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.

Bullshit they are at 3am.

> And for those reliant on buses it means getting to/from work, school
> or whatever are doubly impacted.

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On Sun, 08 May 2022 02:14:18 +1000, R Souls <ron.souls@aol.com> wrote:

> On 6 May 2022 14:52:40 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> R D S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity
>>>> prices.
>>>
>>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>>> the taxpayer is paying.
>>
>> As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the
>> sense
>> to go hugely nuclear years ago.
>
> It's not all good news.
>
> https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662

Just a short term unusual situation.

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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 08:16 UTC

On 07/05/2022 19:03, Jock wrote:
> On Sat, 07 May 2022 17:25:43 +1000, Andrew
> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
>>>> Streater wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>>
>>>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>>>  By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>>>
>>
>> And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
>> with a single child passenger onboard.
>
> Few have just the one brat
Rod, your mother had one brat too many.

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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 08:18 UTC

On 07/05/2022 10:02, R D S wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 08:36, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 07 May 2022 at 08:25:43 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3fFvkvU1@mid.individual.net> Tim
>>>>> Streater wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>>>
>>>>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>>>>
>>>> By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>>>
>>> And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
>>> with a single child passenger onboard.
>>
>> And the apparently rubbish MPG they get. At 70 on the motorway, my car
>> with a
>> 1.8 engine gets 60mpg or better without any apparent problem. Perhaps
>> those
>> ULV owners bleating about putting £100 worth of fuel in could tell us
>> what
>> their mpg is and why it's so poor. They could also quote engine size
>> unless
>> that's an embarrassment.
>>
>
> Ive a 2l Volvo D4 diesel, it's fairly frugal, with some consideration I
> can get 50+ on a motorway/backroad run. It just has a big tank?

If you filled up when it hits a quarter of a tank you wouldn't hit the
£99 barrier.

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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 08:24 UTC

On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4sF37rtU1@mid.individual.net>
> williamwright wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
> rather than anything rational.

Not envy, really. He can own whatever he likes, but why whine about the
"trauma" caused by hitting a £99 limit?
Perhaps it is the need to boast about possessions?
That trait is probably much worse than envy, as it is very hypocritical.

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Sun, 8 May 2022 09:41 UTC

On 08/05/2022 in message <t57uoq$1rsc$1@gioia.aioe.org> Richard wrote:

>On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4sF37rtU1@mid.individual.net> williamwright
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>>Vehicle)?
>>>
>>>If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>>
>>Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy rather
>>than anything rational.
>
>Not envy, really. He can own whatever he likes, but why whine about the
>"trauma" caused by hitting a £99 limit?
>Perhaps it is the need to boast about possessions?
>That trait is probably much worse than envy, as it is very hypocritical.

It seemed to me the responses demonstrated envy. However, there has always
been a tendency on social media (and Usenet is perhaps the oldest example)
of expressions like:

you did do [some task] didn't you.
why would you want to do that.
I wouldn't do that.
Why don't you [alternative suggestion]

As in:

Q) Can you tell me the best route from Southampton to Portsmouth?

A) Portsmouth isn't very nice why don't you go to Camber Sands?

Most of which imply the person posting the query hasn't the nous to think
things through instead of accepting that said person has done so but hit a
block in his/her knowledge.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
All things being equal, fat people use more soap

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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 11:29 UTC

On 08/05/2022 10:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 in message <t57uoq$1rsc$1@gioia.aioe.org> Richard wrote:
>
>> On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4sF37rtU1@mid.individual.net>
>>> williamwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>>
>>>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>>>
>>> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
>>> rather than anything rational.
>>
>> Not envy, really. He can own whatever he likes, but why whine about
>> the "trauma" caused by hitting a £99 limit?
>> Perhaps it is the need to boast about possessions?
>> That trait is probably much worse than envy, as it is very hypocritical.
>
> It seemed to me the responses demonstrated envy. However, there has
> always been a tendency on social media (and Usenet is perhaps the oldest
> example) of expressions like:
>
> you did do [some task] didn't you.
> why would you want to do that.
> I wouldn't do that.
> Why don't you [alternative suggestion]
>
> As in:
>
> Q) Can you tell me the best route from Southampton to Portsmouth?
>
> A) Portsmouth isn't very nice why don't you go to Camber Sands?

Does Camber Sands have the equivalent of the Historic Dockyards? If not,
I'd prefer Portsmouth.
;)

>
> Most of which imply the person posting the query hasn't the nous to
> think things through instead of accepting that said person has done so
> but hit a block in his/her knowledge.
>

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 by: Paul - Sun, 8 May 2022 14:41 UTC

On 5/7/2022 12:14 PM, R Souls wrote:
> On 6 May 2022 14:52:40 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> R D S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity prices.
>>>
>>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>>> the taxpayer is paying.
>>
>> As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the sense
>> to go hugely nuclear years ago.
>
> It's not all good news.
>
> https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662
>

If you select a continuous-fueling technology reactor type,
you can get high up-times.

However, nuclear reactors are like buying a car at the dealership.

You can do all your homework, and still get a "lemon".

The service record of reactors here, some are "50% available" (lemon),
some of the continuous fueling ones might be "85% available" (still
need a rebuild, once in a while, to repair pipes or whatever).

The thing is, don't build all the nukes on the same day,
because the failures or service life might correlate, causing
a "lump" in the maintenance. By selecting to build nukes in "waves",
using different types for the "waves", you might prevent the
entire fleet from averaging 50%.

The reactors look much more attractive, if the fueling system
can run while the thing is generating power.

Nukes are not a spur of the moment hobby. They require
a continuous commitment to build and repair, and forethought
to give them the best "maintenance look". And unfortunately,
the humans who run them, don't have exactly the longest
attention spans :-)

Paul

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 by: Tim Streater - Sun, 8 May 2022 15:01 UTC

On 08 May 2022 at 15:41:41 BST, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 5/7/2022 12:14 PM, R Souls wrote:
>> On 6 May 2022 14:52:40 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> R D S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity prices.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>>>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>>>> the taxpayer is paying.
>>>
>>> As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the sense
>>> to go hugely nuclear years ago.
>>
>> It's not all good news.
>>
>> https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662
>>
>
> If you select a continuous-fueling technology reactor type,
> you can get high up-times.
>
> However, nuclear reactors are like buying a car at the dealership.
>
> You can do all your homework, and still get a "lemon".
>
> The service record of reactors here, some are "50% available" (lemon),
> some of the continuous fueling ones might be "85% available" (still
> need a rebuild, once in a while, to repair pipes or whatever).
>
> The thing is, don't build all the nukes on the same day,
> because the failures or service life might correlate, causing
> a "lump" in the maintenance. By selecting to build nukes in "waves",
> using different types for the "waves", you might prevent the
> entire fleet from averaging 50%.
>
> The reactors look much more attractive, if the fueling system
> can run while the thing is generating power.
>
> Nukes are not a spur of the moment hobby. They require
> a continuous commitment to build and repair, and forethought
> to give them the best "maintenance look". And unfortunately,
> the humans who run them, don't have exactly the longest
> attention spans :-)

This is true for any utility structure, I'd have thought. The water system has
a lot of leaks as little thought was given to maintenance while it was in
"public" ownership.

--
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

James Nicoll, rasfw

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 by: R Souls - Sun, 8 May 2022 15:06 UTC

On Sun, 08 May 2022 04:42:54 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 May 2022 02:14:18 +1000, R Souls <ron.souls@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6 May 2022 14:52:40 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> R D S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity
>>>>> prices.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>>>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>>>> the taxpayer is paying.
>>>
>>> As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the
>>> sense
>>> to go hugely nuclear years ago.
>>
>> It's not all good news.
>>
>> https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662
>
>Just a short term unusual situation.

Mind you own business and sling your hook, you thick geriatric tosser.

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:12 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 00:41:41 +1000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 5/7/2022 12:14 PM, R Souls wrote:
>> On 6 May 2022 14:52:40 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew
>>> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> R D S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity
>>>>> prices.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>>>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>>>> the taxpayer is paying.
>>>
>>> As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had
>>> the sense
>>> to go hugely nuclear years ago.
>> It's not all good news.
>>
>> https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662
>>
>
> If you select a continuous-fueling technology reactor type,
> you can get high up-times.
>
> However, nuclear reactors are like buying a car at the dealership.
>
> You can do all your homework, and still get a "lemon".
>
> The service record of reactors here, some are "50% available" (lemon),
> some of the continuous fueling ones might be "85% available" (still
> need a rebuild, once in a while, to repair pipes or whatever).
>
> The thing is, don't build all the nukes on the same day,
> because the failures or service life might correlate, causing
> a "lump" in the maintenance. By selecting to build nukes in "waves",
> using different types for the "waves", you might prevent the
> entire fleet from averaging 50%.
>
> The reactors look much more attractive, if the fueling system
> can run while the thing is generating power.
>
> Nukes are not a spur of the moment hobby. They require
> a continuous commitment to build and repair,

So do coal fired and gas fired power stations.

> and forethought
> to give them the best "maintenance look". And unfortunately,
> the humans who run them, don't have exactly the longest
> attention spans :-)

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:17 UTC

Some entirely appropriately named arsehole
R Souls <ron.souls@aol.com> spewed more of the
shit that keeps pouring from its countless arseholes.

Re: OT: Wholesale energy price rise

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 by: Vir Campestris - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:36 UTC

On 06/05/2022 12:38, Chris Hogg wrote:
> Seeing the massive profits announced recently by the likes of Shell
> and BP, the whole business makes me angry.
>
> They hide behind the explanation that it's market prices across the
> world, brought on by the Covid pandemic and Russia's invasion of
> Ukraine.
>
> But their supply costs haven't gone up much - a few percent maybe -
> and they're just taking advantage of the global energy prices to cash
> in. It costs little more to extract gas or oil from under the North
> Sea today for example, compared to three or four years ago, especially
> as all the exploration work, drilling, pipeline-laying etc, was
> finished decades ago. All they have to do is man the platforms and
> open and close valves, as appropriate.
>
> I do hope the government slaps a whacking great windfall tax on them,
> which, bearing in mind I've never had socialist tendencies in my life,
> shows just how annoyed it makes me!

I forget which, but one of them just took a massive loss on dumping
their connections in ROSNEF.

And they are both in my pension fund. Unless you work for the state they
are likely in yours too. A windfall tax would affect millions of pension
plan owners - not just pensioners - in the UK and elsewhere.

Andy

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