I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually to
keep the car on the road - including insurances. Is it worth me having
a car?

On 15/09/2021 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually to
> keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me having
> a car?
>
Cabs are around $2.20 per kilometer plus flagfall of around $3.00 in
Queensland. How many times did you go out in that time and is public
transport a viable option.

You work it out but by my calculation if you made 60 trips to do your
640km that's nearly $1600 in cab fares. That's not allowing for extra
costs waiting in traffic as well.

On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually to
> keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me having
> a car?
>
Everyone's circumstances are different. If you have public transport
laid on, possibly not. If your local shops and services you need are
conveniently located close to you, possibly not. That said, the
convenience of a car in the driveway ready for those occasions whenever
and wherever you must go somewhere less convenient is not readily
measurable. Never underestimate the *convenience* of a car in the garage.

--

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/9/21 3:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 15/09/2021 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually
>> to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me
>> having a car?
>>
> Cabs are around $2.20 per kilometer plus flagfall of around $3.00 in
> Queensland. How many times did you go out in that time and is public
> transport a viable option.
>
> You work it out but by my calculation if you made 60 trips to do your
> 640km that's nearly $1600 in cab fares. That's not allowing for extra
> costs waiting in traffic as well.
>
>
You are focusing on the *tangibles*. When you are retired and
sufficiently well off, there is no longer a need to focus on those and,
instead, focus on the intangibles. Prime amongst those are the
*convenience* of having a car in the garage and the *independence* that
car gives.

Why oh why does everyone focus on a $ value when that pales into
insignificance in a properly prepared for retirement compared to the
intangibles. Ask me how I know this!

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 15:22:31 +1000, Grumpy Tech
<grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 15/09/2021 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually to
>> keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me having
>> a car?
>>
>Cabs are around $2.20 per kilometer plus flagfall of around $3.00 in
>Queensland. How many times did you go out in that time and is public
>transport a viable option.
>
>You work it out but by my calculation if you made 60 trips to do your
>640km that's nearly $1600 in cab fares. That's not allowing for extra
>costs waiting in traffic as well.
>
Also the parking meters are not cheap. They accept only gold coins
here. And CC swipes.

On 15/9/21 4:43 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 15:22:31 +1000, Grumpy Tech
> <grumpytech07@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15/09/2021 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually to
>>> keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me having
>>> a car?
>>>
>> Cabs are around $2.20 per kilometer plus flagfall of around $3.00 in
>> Queensland. How many times did you go out in that time and is public
>> transport a viable option.
>>
>> You work it out but by my calculation if you made 60 trips to do your
>> 640km that's nearly $1600 in cab fares. That's not allowing for extra
>> costs waiting in traffic as well.
>>
> Also the parking meters are not cheap. They accept only gold coins
> here. And CC swipes.
>
Where I used to live and travel in Melbourne, parking meters were not an
issue - there were none. That is the case in most urban areas around
Melbourne. For that matter, no one in their right mind bothers driving
into the city centre these days because parking is a bitch. When I
stayed in a hotel in the city centre in December 2019, I made sure the
hotel came with free parking. After that we walked around the city
centre for the most part. There are some places where a car is simply a
hindrance - but it isn't like that everywhere. Even the urban shopping
centres have free parking albeit some with, say, a three hour time limit.

--

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:16:46 +1000, Max posted:-

> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually
> to keep the car on the road - including insurances. Is it worth me
> having a car?
>

Work out the value lost in one year, then compare with public
transport/taxi/Uber charges for your trip.

However, you can't beat the convenience of owning a car.

On 16/9/21 11:12 am, Mountain Magpie wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:16:46 +1000, Max posted:-
>
>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually
>> to keep the car on the road - including insurances. Is it worth me
>> having a car?
>>
>
> Work out the value lost in one year, then compare with public
> transport/taxi/Uber charges for your trip.
>
> However, you can't beat the convenience of owning a car.
>
Yep, the intangibles win every time.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually to
> keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me having
> a car?
>
Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
Depreciation?
Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only do so
few kms.

--
Daryl

On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually
>> to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me
>> having a car?
>>
> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
> Depreciation?
> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only do so
> few kms.
>

In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.

I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:16:46 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

>I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually to
>keep the car on the road - including insurances. Is it worth me having
>a car?
>

For me a car represents freedom. I own two cars I register for
every-day use and I do very little distance on either of them.

However, I love driving both my cars. I don't want to think of the day
when I might be unable to drive any more due to (say) physical
disability.

Within fairly broad limits I don't care what my vehicles cost - while
I can afford it.

Similarly my house is too big. I own too much stuff. And so on.

Money isn't everything - though obviously that is unless you don't
have enough of it. :)

Ross

On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually
>>> to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me
>>> having a car?
>>>
>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>> Depreciation?
>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only do
>> so few kms.
>>
>
> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>
> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.

If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and I
intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home which
won't be all that often.

--
Daryl

On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually
>>>> to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me
>>>> having a car?
>>>>
>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>> Depreciation?
>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only do
>>> so few kms.
>>>
>>
>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>
>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>
>
> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?

Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home, especially
when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the owning and
maintenance of a vehicle.

> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and I
> intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home which
> won't be all that often.
>
It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.

--

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/09/2021 6:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500 annually
>>>> to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it worth me
>>>> having a car?
>>>>
>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>> Depreciation?
>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only do
>>> so few kms.
>>>
>>
>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>
>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>
>
> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?

Presumably because pushing a trolley that far isn't practical. Maybe he
can barely walk.

A car gives you independence. Unless he can't afford it, he should keep it.

> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and I
> intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home which
> won't be all that often.
>

Getting rid of the clapped out German taxi are you?

Didn't think so...

On 16/9/21 9:38 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 6:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it
>>>>> worth me having a car?
>>>>>
>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>> Depreciation?
>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>>>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only
>>>> do so few kms.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>
>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>
>>
>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>
> Presumably because pushing a trolley that far isn't practical. Maybe he
> can barely walk.
>
> A car gives you independence. Unless he can't afford it, he should keep it.

Dumb and Dumber know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
>
>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and I
>> intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home which
>> won't be all that often.
>>
>
> Getting rid of the clapped out German taxi are you?

Nah, he's just being realistic and *expecting* it to break down.
>
> Didn't think so...

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is it
>>>>> worth me having a car?
>>>>>
>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>> Depreciation?
>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>>>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only
>>>> do so few kms.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>
>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>
>>
>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>
> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home, especially
> when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the owning and
> maintenance of a vehicle.

Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries -
a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.

>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and I
>> intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home which
>> won't be all that often.
>>
> It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.
>
>

On 17/09/2021 8:48 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is
>>>>>> it worth me having a car?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>>> Depreciation?
>>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>>>>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only
>>>>> do so few kms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>>
>>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>>
>>>
>>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>>
>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>
> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries -
> a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>

I was thinking when relatives visit - after Covid - we might go on trips
to the country in the car. But then I could just hire a car for a day,
couldn't I ?

>>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and I
>>> intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home which
>>> won't be all that often.
>>>
>> It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.
>>
>>
>

On 17/9/21 8:48 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is
>>>>>> it worth me having a car?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>>> Depreciation?
>>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego and
>>>>> insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to only
>>>>> do so few kms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>>
>>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>>
>>>
>>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>>
>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>
> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries -
> a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.

Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a small
folding trolley.

--
Daryl

On 17/09/2021 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/9/21 8:48 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is
>>>>>>> it worth me having a car?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>>>> Depreciation?
>>>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego
>>>>>> and insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to
>>>>>> only do so few kms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>>>
>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>
>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries
>> - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>
> Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a small
> folding trolley.

We just did the weekly grocery run, 5 bags of which 2 were quite heavy,
I suppose that they might have fitted in one of those garden trollies
that Bunnings sell. However the Woolies is about 6 Km from home so that
would be impractical.

On 9/17/2021 8:48 AM, keithr0 wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/9/21 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 16/9/21 7:23 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 16/09/2021 6:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 15/9/21 2:16 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>> I only drove 640km in the last 12 months. It costs me $1500
>>>>>> annually to keep the car on the road - including insurances.  Is
>>>>>> it worth me having a car?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Have you calculated costs other than rego and insurance?
>>>>> Depreciation?
>>>>> Cost of constantly keeping the battery charged?
>>>>> Cost of the tyres needing to be replaced due to age?
>>>>> Cost of repairs such as leaking seals from the car not being used?
>>>>> Many other costs could easily double your $1500 other than rego
>>>>> and insurance so my answer would be its not worth having a car to
>>>>> only do so few kms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my $1500 I am counting an annual service charge.
>>>>
>>>> I would use the car twice a week, but only drive 1km to the shops.
>>>
>>>
>>> If its only 1km to the shops why not walk?
>>
>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>
> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries
> - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 For sure, and if you cant, or can`t be bothered walking (for whatever
reason) order from the online cattle dog.

    Personally, if i`m only picking up a few items i ride the bike. ;)

   Some ppl in here get their jollies by being argumentative for the
sheer bloody sake of it. :(. I guess when that`s all you
have.................(shrug)

>
>>> A new supermarket is under construction about 1km from my house and
>>> I intend to walk there unless there will be a lot to carry home
>>> which won't be all that often.
>>>
>> It won't need to be a lot to make your arm ache.
>>
>>
>

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On 17/09/2021 10:55 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:

>>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>>>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>
>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries
>>> - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.

Depends on what you're buying. If you're getting a couple of bags worth
that costs 30 bucks they can be a heavy carry home, but paying an extra
ten bucks for delivery makes them expensive.

>> Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a small
>> folding trolley.
>
> We just did the weekly grocery run, 5 bags of which 2 were quite heavy,
> I suppose that they might have fitted in one of those garden trollies
> that Bunnings sell. However the Woolies is about 6 Km from home so that
> would be impractical.

This has been an argument going on between the "car needs" and the "car
don't needs" for eons. A lot of people claim that "no one needs a car",
and that might be fine from their perspective but not everyone lives in
the same bubble.

As you say 6km's is a fair hike to walk with a shit-tonne of groceries
in a trolley, and I don't think I'd like to do it on a hot day with a
stack of frozen items. My nearest supermarkets are around 7km's in
either direction, and there is no pedestrian access to one of them. Cars
are just convenient for most.

Delivery services are fine, but not everyone can afford them and they're
not always convenient.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 17/09/2021 9:11 am, Max wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 8:48 am, keithr0 wrote:

>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries
>> - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>>
>
> I was thinking when relatives visit - after Covid - we might go on trips
> to the country in the car.  But then I could just hire a car for a day,
> couldn't I ?

Is this a question you *really* need to ask, or are you just trolling
for the sake of it?

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 17/9/21 12:16 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 9:11 am, Max wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 8:48 am, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your groceries
>>> - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking when relatives visit - after Covid - we might go on
>> trips to the country in the car.  But then I could just hire a car for
>> a day, couldn't I ?
>
> Is this a question you *really* need to ask, or are you just trolling
> for the sake of it?
>
Darren, you are *always* trolling just for the sake of it, the *it*
being yourself since you are indeed the resident narcissist.

--

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/09/2021 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 10:55 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies the
>>>>> owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your
>>>> groceries - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>
> Depends on what you're buying. If you're getting a couple of bags worth
> that costs 30 bucks they can be a heavy carry home, but paying an extra
> ten bucks for delivery makes them expensive.
>
>>> Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a small
>>> folding trolley.
>>
>> We just did the weekly grocery run, 5 bags of which 2 were quite
>> heavy, I suppose that they might have fitted in one of those garden
>> trollies that Bunnings sell. However the Woolies is about 6 Km from
>> home so that would be impractical.
>
> This has been an argument going on between the "car needs" and the "car
> don't needs" for eons. A lot of people claim that "no one needs a car",
> and that might be fine from their perspective but not everyone lives in
> the same bubble.
>
> As you say 6km's is a fair hike to walk with a shit-tonne of groceries
> in a trolley, and I don't think I'd like to do it on a hot day with a
> stack of frozen items. My nearest supermarkets are around 7km's in
> either direction, and there is no pedestrian access to one of them. Cars
> are just convenient for most.
>
> Delivery services are fine, but not everyone can afford them and they're
> not always convenient.
>
They're probably cheaper than running a car especially for that purpose.

On 17/9/21 1:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/09/2021 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 17/09/2021 10:55 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/09/2021 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Try carrying a couple of bags of groceries a kilometre home,
>>>>>> especially when you're in your dotage. Shopping along justifies
>>>>>> the owning and maintenance of a vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy, you walk to the shops and get Woolies to deliver your
>>>>> groceries - a bloody sight cheaper than using a car just for that.
>>
>> Depends on what you're buying. If you're getting a couple of bags
>> worth that costs 30 bucks they can be a heavy carry home, but paying
>> an extra ten bucks for delivery makes them expensive.
>>
>>>> Plenty of ways to carry a few groceries such as back pack or a small
>>>> folding trolley.
>>>
>>> We just did the weekly grocery run, 5 bags of which 2 were quite
>>> heavy, I suppose that they might have fitted in one of those garden
>>> trollies that Bunnings sell. However the Woolies is about 6 Km from
>>> home so that would be impractical.
>>
>> This has been an argument going on between the "car needs" and the
>> "car don't needs" for eons. A lot of people claim that "no one needs a
>> car", and that might be fine from their perspective but not everyone
>> lives in the same bubble.
>>
>> As you say 6km's is a fair hike to walk with a shit-tonne of groceries
>> in a trolley, and I don't think I'd like to do it on a hot day with a
>> stack of frozen items. My nearest supermarkets are around 7km's in
>> either direction, and there is no pedestrian access to one of them.
>> Cars are just convenient for most.
>>
>> Delivery services are fine, but not everyone can afford them and
>> they're not always convenient.
>>
> They're probably cheaper than running a car especially for that purpose.

If that was your only need for a car, yes, you are probably correct.
However, as an example, I went down this morning for a coffee Meet &
Greet, a 5 kilometre round trip. At about 11, I needed to go to Bunnings
since I needed some shelf brackets, a 10 kilometre round trip. On the
way home I detoured slightly and called in to the supermarket. I didn't
*need* to go but, since I was on the road anyway, I purchased a few
items that I would need over the next few days. To do those two trips by
*bus* would have taken a decent chunk of time out of my day and
necessitated a hike to and from the bus stop as well as matching up bus
timetables - would have required multiple bus trips, such are the routes
here. Would I like doing that laden with groceries? Nah! The car's most
useful feature for private individuals is its *convenience*, an
*intangible*, and you cannot put a price tag on that.

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