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+* Re: OT PronunciationGB
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 by: ARW - Sun, 8 May 2022 16:49 UTC

How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.

Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".

Bloody Scots and their pronunciations.

--
Adam

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 by: GB - Sun, 8 May 2022 18:29 UTC

On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>
> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".

I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
like that?

For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?

>
> Bloody Scots and their pronunciations.
>
>

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 by: Colin Bignell - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:23 UTC

On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>
>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>
> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
> like that?
>
> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>

Because Peking is the Cantonese pronunciation. Cantonese is the Chinese
most widely spoken in Hong Kong and by Chinese in the UK. Beijing is the
pronunciation in Mandarin, the official language of China since the 1930s.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: S Viemeister - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:28 UTC

On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>
>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>
> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
> like that?
>
> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>
It was also written as Peiping for a time.

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 by: Rob H - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:28 UTC

On 08/05/2022 20:23, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>
>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down.
>>> Ncuti is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>>
>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>> like that?
>>
>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>>
>
> Because Peking is the Cantonese pronunciation. Cantonese is the Chinese
> most widely spoken in Hong Kong and by Chinese in the UK. Beijing is the
> pronunciation in Mandarin, the official language of China since the 1930s.
>
>

When Ghengis Kan was alive and attacking every town and village he could
find, it was called Yenking , if memory serves me right.

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:41 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 04:29:22 +1000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>
> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
> like that?
>
> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?

Because you poms mangled the pronounciation of every
place name you fucked over, like Calcutta/Kolkata etc
etc etc and couldn't even manage to get Paris right.

>
>
>
>> Bloody Scots and their pronunciations.
>>

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 by: Richard - Sun, 8 May 2022 19:52 UTC

On 08/05/2022 20:41, Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 04:29:22 +1000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>  Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down.
>>> Ncuti is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>>
>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>> like that?
>>
>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>
> Because you poms mangled the pronounciation of every
> place name you fucked over, like Calcutta/Kolkata etc
> etc etc and couldn't even manage to get Paris right.

Yep. We even tested the nukes in the wrong location in Australia.
Address please Rod.

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 by: williamwright - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:57 UTC

On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
> Ncuti Gatwa

“The future is here,” proclaimed the BBC. It most certainly is.

Bill

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 by: Tim Streater - Sun, 8 May 2022 21:03 UTC

On 08 May 2022 at 20:23:19 BST, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>
>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>>
>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>> like that?
>>
>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>>
>
> Because Peking is the Cantonese pronunciation. Cantonese is the Chinese
> most widely spoken in Hong Kong and by Chinese in the UK. Beijing is the
> pronunciation in Mandarin, the official language of China since the 1930s.

Peking was the name in English. I don't actually see why we needed to change
it, given that Cologne and Florence are not names that the locals use, and
neither are Douvres, Londres, and Edimbourg.

--
"Hard" and "Soft" Brexit are code words for Leaving or Staying in the EU, rather than for the terms of our departure.

Jacob Rees-Mogg MP

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 8 May 2022 22:10 UTC

On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>
>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>
> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
> like that?
>
> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>
>
I suspect its actually pronounced baych-ing
B and P are not differentiated in many languages

>
>
>>
>> Bloody Scots and their pronunciations.
>>
>>
>

--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Sun, 8 May 2022 23:39 UTC

On 08/05/2022 22:03, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 08 May 2022 at 20:23:19 BST, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>>
>>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>>>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>>>
>>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>>> like that?
>>>
>>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>>>
>>
>> Because Peking is the Cantonese pronunciation. Cantonese is the Chinese
>> most widely spoken in Hong Kong and by Chinese in the UK. Beijing is the
>> pronunciation in Mandarin, the official language of China since the 1930s.
>
> Peking was the name in English. I don't actually see why we needed to change
> it, given that Cologne and Florence are not names that the locals use, and
> neither are Douvres, Londres, and Edimbourg.
>

We didn't change it for a long time, but Beijing is what it is in
PinYin, which, since the 1950s, has been the UN official Latinised
version of written Chinese. Unlike the places you mention, there is now
an internationally recognised version of the name.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Jock - Mon, 9 May 2022 00:35 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 08:10:23 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>
>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>> like that?
>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>>
> I suspect its actually pronounced baych-ing
> B and P are not differentiated in many languages

They are in Cantonese.

>>> Bloody Scots and their pronunciations.

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 by: JNugent - Mon, 9 May 2022 00:40 UTC

On 08/05/2022 07:29 pm, GB wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:

>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>
>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".

Why does it matter?

> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
> like that?
>
> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?

It wasn't "Beijing" that was written down as "Peking".

It was something in Chinese characters (probably Mandarin, I expect)
which was written in Latin characters as "Peking".

It still isn't clear to me why there was any perceived need to change it.

PS: Google.co.uk still finds a LOT of "Peking Chinese Restaurant"
businesses all over the UK. The proprietors don't seem to mind.

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 by: JNugent - Mon, 9 May 2022 00:43 UTC

On 08/05/2022 08:23 pm, Colin Bignell wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:

>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>
>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down.
>>> Ncuti is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>
>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>> like that?
>
>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>
> Because Peking is the Cantonese pronunciation. Cantonese is the Chinese
> most widely spoken in Hong Kong and by Chinese in the UK. Beijing is the
> pronunciation in Mandarin, the official language of China since the 1930s.

If "Peking" is consonant with the language as spoken by (a majority of)
Chinese and Chinese-descended people in the UK, what is or was the point
in changing it?

Why does it matter?

Is the Berlin government trying to get the Anglophone world to drop
"Germany" and start calling it "Deutschland"? Is Madrid trying to get us
to swap over to Espana (with or without the tilde)?

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 by: JNugent - Mon, 9 May 2022 00:48 UTC

On 08/05/2022 10:03 pm, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 08 May 2022 at 20:23:19 BST, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2022 19:29, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>>
>>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>>>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>>>
>>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>>> like that?
>>>
>>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>>>
>>
>> Because Peking is the Cantonese pronunciation. Cantonese is the Chinese
>> most widely spoken in Hong Kong and by Chinese in the UK. Beijing is the
>> pronunciation in Mandarin, the official language of China since the 1930s.
>
> Peking was the name in English. I don't actually see why we needed to change
> it, given that Cologne and Florence are not names that the locals use, and
> neither are Douvres, Londres, and Edimbourg.

+1.

Then there's Rome, Naples, Munich, Brussels and any number of others.

And what about country (state) names in English? For instance, India,
Japan, Germany, Spain, Switzerland (which has four names in its own
languages, none of them being "Switzerland") and let us not even start
on Finland.

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 by: Jock - Mon, 9 May 2022 01:38 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 10:40:24 +1000, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 07:29 pm, GB wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>
>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>
>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down. Ncuti
>>> is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>
> Why does it matter?
>
>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>> like that?
>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>
> It wasn't "Beijing" that was written down as "Peking".
>
> It was something in Chinese characters

No, most of the inhabitants didn't read or write when the english showed
up.

> (probably Mandarin, I expect)

No, Cantonese.

> which was written in Latin characters as "Peking".

No, that came later.

> It still isn't clear to me why there was any perceived need to change it.

Because the chinese kicked the english and various others out.

> PS: Google.co.uk still finds a LOT of "Peking Chinese Restaurant"
> businesses all over the UK. The proprietors don't seem to mind.

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 by: John Armstrong - Mon, 9 May 2022 07:37 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:41:57 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:

>Because you poms mangled the pronounciation.....

Always amuses me to see people pontificating about pronunciation, when
they can't even spell the word.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Mon, 9 May 2022 07:41 UTC

On 09/05/2022 01:40, JNugent wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 07:29 pm, GB wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>
>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>
>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down.
>>> Ncuti is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>
> Why does it matter?
>
>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>> like that?
>>
>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>
> It wasn't "Beijing" that was written down as "Peking".
>
> It was something in Chinese characters (probably Mandarin, I expect)
> which was written in Latin characters as "Peking".
>
> It still isn't clear to me why there was any perceived need to change it.

Because, as you say, written Chinese is Mandarin. Since the 1950s, the
UN has recognised PinYin as the way to transcribe written Chinese into
the Latin alphabet. The written name transcribes to Beijing, hence that
is the internationally recognised way to spell it in Latin characters.

The same thing has happened in other places where the native language is
not written in Latin characters, notably India.

> PS: Google.co.uk still finds a LOT of "Peking Chinese Restaurant"
> businesses all over the UK. The proprietors don't seem to mind.

They probably speak Cantonese and Peking is how the name is pronounced
in Cantonese.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Harry Bloomfield Esq - Mon, 9 May 2022 07:51 UTC

ARW formulated the question :
> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.

Who?

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 by: Robin - Mon, 9 May 2022 08:19 UTC

On 09/05/2022 08:41, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 09/05/2022 01:40, JNugent wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 07:29 pm, GB wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>
>>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>>
>>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down.
>>>> Ncuti is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply 'Gat-wa".
>>
>> Why does it matter?
>>
>>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>>> like that?
>>>
>>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>>
>> It wasn't "Beijing" that was written down as "Peking".
>>
>> It was something in Chinese characters (probably Mandarin, I expect)
>> which was written in Latin characters as "Peking".
>>
>> It still isn't clear to me why there was any perceived need to change it.
>
> Because, as you say, written Chinese is Mandarin. Since the 1950s, the
> UN has recognised PinYin as the way to transcribe written Chinese into
> the Latin alphabet. The written name transcribes to Beijing, hence that
> is the internationally recognised way to spell it in Latin characters.
>
> The same thing has happened in other places where the native language is
> not written in Latin characters, notably India.
>

and let's not forget Ukraine & Kyiv

--
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 by: Owain Lastname - Mon, 9 May 2022 08:43 UTC

On Sunday, 8 May 2022 at 17:50:38 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.

And as I saw on Twitter, a Rwandan that can travel through time and space and Priti Patel can't do a thing to stop him.

Owain

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 by: Colin Bignell - Mon, 9 May 2022 09:24 UTC

On 09/05/2022 09:19, Robin wrote:
> On 09/05/2022 08:41, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 09/05/2022 01:40, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 07:29 pm, GB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>>
>>>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down.
>>>>> Ncuti is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply
>>>>> 'Gat-wa".
>>>
>>> Why does it matter?
>>>
>>>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not
>>>> pronounced like that?
>>>>
>>>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>>>
>>> It wasn't "Beijing" that was written down as "Peking".
>>>
>>> It was something in Chinese characters (probably Mandarin, I expect)
>>> which was written in Latin characters as "Peking".
>>>
>>> It still isn't clear to me why there was any perceived need to change
>>> it.
>>
>> Because, as you say, written Chinese is Mandarin. Since the 1950s, the
>> UN has recognised PinYin as the way to transcribe written Chinese into
>> the Latin alphabet. The written name transcribes to Beijing, hence
>> that is the internationally recognised way to spell it in Latin
>> characters.
>>
>> The same thing has happened in other places where the native language
>> is not written in Latin characters, notably India.
>>
>
> and let's not forget Ukraine & Kyiv
>

At least the Cyrillic alphabet is more or less phonetic, so transcribing
into the Latin alphabet is simpler. As with Greek, it makes reading road
signs possible, as you can work out what the word on the road sign
sounds like.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 9 May 2022 09:25 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 17:41:42 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 09/05/2022 01:40, JNugent wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 07:29 pm, GB wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>
>>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>>
>>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down.
>>>> Ncuti is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply
>>>> 'Gat-wa".
>> Why does it matter?
>>
>>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>>> like that?
>>>
>>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>> It wasn't "Beijing" that was written down as "Peking".
>> It was something in Chinese characters (probably Mandarin, I expect)
>> which was written in Latin characters as "Peking".
>> It still isn't clear to me why there was any perceived need to change
>> it.
>
> Because, as you say, written Chinese is Mandarin. Since the 1950s, the
> UN has recognised PinYin as the way to transcribe written Chinese into
> the Latin alphabet. The written name transcribes to Beijing, hence that
> is the internationally recognised way to spell it in Latin characters.
>
> The same thing has happened in other places where the native language is
> not written in Latin characters, notably India.

Doesnt explain Paris, Germany, Switzerland, Finland etc etc etc.

>> PS: Google.co.uk still finds a LOT of "Peking Chinese Restaurant"
>> businesses all over the UK. The proprietors don't seem to mind.
>
> They probably speak Cantonese and Peking is how the name is pronounced
> in Cantonese.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 9 May 2022 09:47 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 19:25:14 +1000, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 09 May 2022 17:41:42 +1000, Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 09/05/2022 01:40, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 07:29 pm, GB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/05/2022 17:49, ARW wrote:
>>>
>>>>> How to pronounce Ncuti Gatwa’s name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ncuti Gatwa’s name is not pronounced as you see it written down.
>>>>> Ncuti is actually pronounced ‘Shoo-ti’, while Gatwa is simply
>>>>> 'Gat-wa".
>>> Why does it matter?
>>>
>>>> I wonder why Ncuti is transliterated like that if it's not pronounced
>>>> like that?
>>>>
>>>> For many years Beijing was written down as Peking. Why?
>>> It wasn't "Beijing" that was written down as "Peking".
>>> It was something in Chinese characters (probably Mandarin, I expect)
>>> which was written in Latin characters as "Peking".
>>> It still isn't clear to me why there was any perceived need to change
>>> it.
>>
>> Because, as you say, written Chinese is Mandarin. Since the 1950s, the
>> UN has recognised PinYin as the way to transcribe written Chinese into
>> the Latin alphabet. The written name transcribes to Beijing, hence that
>> is the internationally recognised way to spell it in Latin characters..
>>
>> The same thing has happened in other places where the native language
>> is not written in Latin characters, notably India.
>
> Doesnt explain Paris, Germany, Switzerland, Finland etc etc etc.

And those unspeakable foreigners can't even manage to get the name of
england right.

Or even manage to pronounce America properly either.

>>> PS: Google.co.uk still finds a LOT of "Peking Chinese Restaurant"
>>> businesses all over the UK. The proprietors don't seem to mind.
>>
>> They probably speak Cantonese and Peking is how the name is pronounced
>> in Cantonese.

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 by: S Viemeister - Mon, 9 May 2022 11:36 UTC

On 09/05/2022 08:37, John Armstrong wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:41:57 +1000, Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Because you poms mangled the pronounciation.....
>
> Always amuses me to see people pontificating about pronunciation, when
> they can't even spell the word.
>
Or pronounce it.

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