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 by: GB - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:28 UTC

On 08/05/2022 21:17, Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:38:11 +1000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2022 20:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 20:14:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max Demian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part
>>>>>> of a nappy
>>>>>> — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>>>>>
>>>>> The rest is behind a paywall.
>>>>
>>>> Half-hearted paywall
>>>>
>>>> <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze>
>>>>
>>>  Oh, I stand corrected. They are 'used' apparently. Ugh!
>>>
>>
>>
>> I can't find any references to sodium polyacrylate having these
>> properties. I wonder if there's something else in these nappies?
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, shit and piss.

Did you read the linked article before commenting on it?

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 by: Brian - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:47 UTC

Jock <kdj@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 00:36:47 +1000, Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
>
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just what
>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>
> Nothing to boggle your "mind", sodium polyacrylate, the absorbant part.
>

Thank you.

After some Googling, it appears they are extracting this by boiling (
including from used nappies !) and drinking the concoction.

According to several sites, sodium polyacrylate is very toxic - let alone
whatever else survives the boiling etc.

Never again takes on a whole new meaning for many I suspect after trying
it.

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 by: Jock - Sun, 8 May 2022 20:58 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 06:28:29 +1000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 21:17, Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:38:11 +1000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/05/2022 20:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 20:14:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Max Demian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part
>>>>>>> of a nappy
>>>>>>> — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest is behind a paywall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Half-hearted paywall
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze>
>>>> Oh, I stand corrected. They are 'used' apparently. Ugh!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't find any references to sodium polyacrylate having these
>>> properties. I wonder if there's something else in these nappies?
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah, shit and piss.
>
>
> Did you read the linked article before commenting on it?

Yep, I still get to read that rag for free.

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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 8 May 2022 22:12 UTC

On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just what
>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of a
> nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>
> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
> productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
> gave it to his supporters. Those supporters  mostly had no idea how to
> farm: result, poverty.

That is in fact what socialism, is. steal from those who can and give to
those who can't, in the name of 'equality'

The land wasn't stolen 150 years ago. No one owned it.

--
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the
other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

—Soren Kierkegaard

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 8 May 2022 22:14 UTC

On 08/05/2022 19:44, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Sun, 8 May 2022 14:16:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>
> I'm surprised they go to that trouble. Sodium polyacrylate is fairly
> easily obtained commercially, e.g. on e-bay for example. It comes in
> different molecular weights/chain lengths, depending on the intended
> application.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if pure sodium polyacrylate wasn't available
> in Zimbabwe, but it is a component in babies nappies, so the 'addicts'
> simply extract it. I didn't read the article (pay walled), but I just
> don't believe the nappies were 'used'. Why would they be if new ones
> are available in the shops?
>
Because the used ones are even cheaper

--
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the
other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

—Soren Kierkegaard

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 by: Jock - Mon, 9 May 2022 00:36 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 08:12:46 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>> ends
>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>> what
>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of
>> a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
>> productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
>> gave it to his supporters. Those supporters mostly had no idea how to
>> farm: result, poverty.
>
> That is in fact what socialism, is. steal from those who can and give to
> those who can't, in the name of 'equality'
>
> The land wasn't stolen 150 years ago. No one owned it.

That's bullshit with the land used to grow their food.

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 by: Richard - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:11 UTC

On 08/05/2022 21:09, GB wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 20:49, Richard wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 20:32, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 20:13, Richard wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>>>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he
>>>>> machine gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they
>>>>> were heavily armed with spears.
>>>>
>>>> Because it was not stolen.
>>>
>>> What do you want to call this process, then? A 'Special Military
>>> Operation'?
>>
>> Empire building. It is what it was.
>
> What it was was Cecil Rhodes going off on his own trip of brigandry,
> with a tiny but well-equipped band of thugs. They murdered and pillaged
> for their own benefit.
>
> Probably, they raped, too, but they were the ones keeping the records,
> and they didn't mention that aspect.
>
>
>> You have in the past enjoyed and now enjoy and into the future will
>> enjoy the benefits of that empire.
>
> There was no empire by the time I was born. I am really not going to
> condone the murderous, criminal enterprises of this disgusting man
> simply because he was British.

So you're happy with the rewards then, so STFU.

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 by: Richard - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:13 UTC

On 09/05/2022 01:36, Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 08:12:46 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>>> ends
>>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>>> what
>>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part
>>> of a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily
>>> lives"
>>>  This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of
>>> the productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier,
>>> and gave it to his supporters. Those supporters  mostly had no idea
>>> how to farm: result, poverty.
>>
>> That is in fact what socialism, is. steal from those who can and give
>> to those who can't, in the name of 'equality'
>>
>> The land wasn't stolen 150 years ago. No one owned it.
>
> That's bullshit with the land used to grow their food.

Rich, coming from the spawn of a former British rubbish dump.

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 by: Richard - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:14 UTC

On 08/05/2022 21:10, Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:12:54 +1000, Richard
> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2022 17:29, Max Demian wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>>>>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that
>>>>>>> it ends
>>>>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that
>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to
>>>>>> just what
>>>>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>>
>>>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part
>>>>> of a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily
>>>>> lives"
>>>  The rest is behind a paywall. Not that it matters.
>>>
>>>>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of
>>>>> the productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years
>>>>> earlier, and gave it to his supporters. Those supporters  mostly
>>>>> had no idea how to farm: result, poverty.
>>>>
>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>> I suppose you believe too that the cities were there too when the
>>>> nasty British arrived.
>>>  The country is named after a (ruined) city. (Actually "Zimbabwe"
>>> just means "city" - more or less - in one of the African languages.)
>>>
>>
>> You know an awful lot (not) about it apparently.
>>
>> The country as it now is, borders defined by the British. AT the time
>> of colonisation, it was just an area of land inside a larger area of
>> land. There were no countries then form which to "steal productive land".
>
> But there were lots of savages who were using the productive land to feed
> themselves who were kicked off that land by the poms who showed up there.
>
>> Actually, zimbabwe does not mean city in Shona, which is one of the
>> African languages within the former Southern Rhodesia. It means house
>> of stones, or place of stones.
>
> And it isn't big enough to qualify as a city, just a town at most.

Been there have you?

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 by: Richard - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:19 UTC

On 08/05/2022 23:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 19:44, Chris Hogg wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 14:16:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>
>>
>> I'm surprised they go to that trouble. Sodium polyacrylate is fairly
>> easily obtained commercially, e.g. on e-bay for example. It comes in
>> different molecular weights/chain lengths, depending on the intended
>> application.
>>
>> It wouldn't surprise me if pure sodium polyacrylate wasn't available
>> in Zimbabwe, but it is a component in babies nappies, so the 'addicts'
>> simply extract it. I didn't read the article (pay walled), but I just
>> don't believe the nappies were 'used'. Why would they be if new ones
>> are available in the shops?
>>
> Because the used ones are even cheaper

Well, here's an opportunity for the enterprising greenies if ever there
was one.
Recycle your used nappies via the good citizens of Zimbabwe and ease our
landfill/incineration burden. Win, win, win.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:57 UTC

Richard <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote
> On 08/05/2022 21:09, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 20:49, Richard wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 20:32, GB wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 20:13, Richard wrote:
>>>>> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he
>>>>>> machine gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they
>>>>>> were heavily armed with spears.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it was not stolen.
>>>>
>>>> What do you want to call this process, then? A 'Special Military
>>>> Operation'?
>>>
>>> Empire building. It is what it was.
>> What it was was Cecil Rhodes going off on his own trip of brigandry,
>> with a tiny but well-equipped band of thugs. They murdered and pillaged
>> for their own benefit.
>> Probably, they raped, too, but they were the ones keeping the records,
>> and they didn't mention that aspect.
>>
>>> You have in the past enjoyed and now enjoy and into the future will
>>> enjoy the benefits of that empire.

>> There was no empire by the time I was born. I am really not going to
>> condone the murderous, criminal enterprises of this disgusting man
>> simply because he was British.

> So you're happy with the rewards then,

Unlikely with all those illegals showing up in rubber boats across the
channel.

And with the stupid onging costs of the Falklands etc.

Even the Napoleonic wars debts still haven't been paid off.

> so STFU.

Go and fuck yourself, again.

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 by: Jock - Mon, 9 May 2022 06:01 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 15:13:52 +1000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 09/05/2022 01:36, Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 08:12:46 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>>>> ends
>>>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that
>>>>>> true
>>>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>>
>>>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>>>> what
>>>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part
>>>> of a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily
>>>> lives"
>>>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of
>>>> the productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier,
>>>> and gave it to his supporters. Those supporters mostly had no idea
>>>> how to farm: result, poverty.
>>>
>>> That is in fact what socialism, is. steal from those who can and give
>>> to those who can't, in the name of 'equality'
>>>
>>> The land wasn't stolen 150 years ago. No one owned it.
>> That's bullshit with the land used to grow their food.
>
> Rich, coming from the spawn of a former British rubbish dump.

Wrong, as always. NONE of my ancestors were ever dumped here,
they ALL had enough of a clue to leave that soggy little frigid island
and fucked europe and did much better for themselves than they
would have if they had not chosen to move.

And the locals never did grow any crops, they were hunters and gatherers..

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On Mon, 09 May 2022 15:14:50 +1000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 21:10, Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:12:54 +1000, Richard
>> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/05/2022 17:29, Max Demian wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>>> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that
>>>>>>>> it ends
>>>>>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that
>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>
>>>>>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to
>>>>>>> just what
>>>>>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>>>
>>>>>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part
>>>>>> of a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily
>>>>>> lives"
>>>> The rest is behind a paywall. Not that it matters.
>>>>
>>>>>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of
>>>>>> the productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years
>>>>>> earlier, and gave it to his supporters. Those supporters mostly
>>>>>> had no idea how to farm: result, poverty.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>>> I suppose you believe too that the cities were there too when the
>>>>> nasty British arrived.
>>>> The country is named after a (ruined) city. (Actually "Zimbabwe"
>>>> just means "city" - more or less - in one of the African languages.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> You know an awful lot (not) about it apparently.
>>>
>>> The country as it now is, borders defined by the British. AT the time
>>> of colonisation, it was just an area of land inside a larger area of
>>> land. There were no countries then form which to "steal productive
>>> land".
>> But there were lots of savages who were using the productive land to
>> feed
>> themselves who were kicked off that land by the poms who showed up
>> there.
>>
>>> Actually, zimbabwe does not mean city in Shona, which is one of the
>>> African languages within the former Southern Rhodesia. It means house
>>> of stones, or place of stones.
>> And it isn't big enough to qualify as a city, just a town at most.
>
> Been there have you?

Dont need to. We have this funky system called wikipedia
that spells it out and have even had some docos covering it.

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 by: Jock - Mon, 9 May 2022 06:06 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 15:19:52 +1000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 23:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 19:44, Chris Hogg wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 14:16:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>> ends
>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>
>>> I'm surprised they go to that trouble. Sodium polyacrylate is fairly
>>> easily obtained commercially, e.g. on e-bay for example. It comes in
>>> different molecular weights/chain lengths, depending on the intended
>>> application.
>>>
>>> It wouldn't surprise me if pure sodium polyacrylate wasn't available
>>> in Zimbabwe, but it is a component in babies nappies, so the 'addicts'
>>> simply extract it. I didn't read the article (pay walled), but I just
>>> don't believe the nappies were 'used'. Why would they be if new ones
>>> are available in the shops?
>>>
>> Because the used ones are even cheaper
>
> Well, here's an opportunity for the enterprising greenies if ever there
> was one.
> Recycle your used nappies via the good citizens of Zimbabwe and ease our
> landfill/incineration burden.

And kill some more stupid africans.

> Win, win, win.

Indeed.

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 by: Max Demian - Mon, 9 May 2022 10:36 UTC

On 08/05/2022 21:13, Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:13:13 +1000, Richard
> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>
>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>  Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he
>>> machine gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they
>>> were heavily armed with spears.
>
>> Because it was not stolen.
>
> Of course it was. It wasn't bought from or given by the savages.

Someone would still moan if it had, like they moan that Manhattan Island
was bought from the natives for $26 dollars (or so) in beads.

--
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 by: Max Demian - Mon, 9 May 2022 10:39 UTC

On 08/05/2022 19:53, Jock wrote:
> On Sun, 08 May 2022 23:16:32 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>> ends up eating your own pets (Venezuela),
>
> The chinese used to eat the neighbour's children in the pre communism days.
>
> Apparantly it is easier to swap the kids with the neighbours before
> eating them than eating your own.

That's just sentimentality. People who keep goats swap their (goat) kids
in the same way.

--
Max Demian

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 by: Adrian Caspersz - Mon, 9 May 2022 12:38 UTC

On 08/05/2022 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
> communism is a whole new level below that...
>
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/

Interesting. This story first got wings in a left leaning newspaper in
Sydney.

https://ground.news/article/zimbabweans-boil-used-nappies-to-get-high

Did the telegraph write their own bias into it, or have you read into it
something else that they have missed?

If things are going to crap, is it always socialism behind it?

Hmmm.... world current events :(

--
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 9 May 2022 12:46 UTC

On 09/05/2022 13:38, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>> ends up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that
>> true communism is a whole new level below that...
>>
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>
>
> Interesting. This story first got wings in a left leaning newspaper in
> Sydney.
>
> https://ground.news/article/zimbabweans-boil-used-nappies-to-get-high
>
> Did the telegraph write their own bias into it, or have you read into it
> something else that they have missed?
>
> If things are going to crap, is it always socialism behind it?
>

Usually, yes...

It removes hope and introduces equitable misery. People turn to drugs.
What are the basic tenets of socialism?
Life is unfair.
People ought to be equal
People are not equal.
This is someone else's fault. Its not a mere accident or bad luck.
Something must be done about it.
This must consist in finding out and identifying these people and making
them as miserable as you are.
There is no point doing anything for yourself, as they will take it all
away from you.
Success is only achieved when everyone is a loser and everyone is in
fact dead.

Look at the socialists on here, full of hate against some other 'class',
always preaching 'equality', always expecting a 'government' to fix
their shit, and the bigger the government the better it is, yea even
unto the EU. Always banging a moral drum. Never ever getting on and
fixing their own shit themselves.

>
> Hmmm.... world current events :(
>

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

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 by: Andrew - Mon, 9 May 2022 13:11 UTC

On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 15:51, GB wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 15:36, Brian wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>>> ends
>>>> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
>>>> communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I confess I haven’t read the article but the mind boggles as to just
>>> what
>>> must be in the nappies ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "Drug users said that the sodium polyacrylate — the absorbent part of
>> a nappy — got them high enough to carry on with their grim daily lives"
>>
>> This has nothing to do with socialism, though. Mugabe stole 90% of the
>> productive land, which the British had stolen 150 years earlier, and
>> gave it to his supporters. Those supporters  mostly had no idea how to
>> farm: result, poverty.
>
> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land "stolen"
> by the British was being cultivated?
> I suppose you believe too that the cities were there too when the nasty
> British arrived.

Attlee pissed away £1 billion (at todays prices) in trying to
'cultivate' parts of Kenya in 1947

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanganyika_groundnut_scheme

The rusting remains of old steam rollers can still be found out in
the bush.

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 by: GB - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:51 UTC

On 09/05/2022 13:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> Interesting. This story first got wings in a left leaning newspaper in
>> Sydney.
>>
>> https://ground.news/article/zimbabweans-boil-used-nappies-to-get-high
>>
>> Did the telegraph write their own bias into it, or have you read into
>> it something else that they have missed?
>>
>> If things are going to crap, is it always socialism behind it?
>>
>
> Usually, yes...
>

As I can't find any other evidence of nappies making people high, I'd
tentatively suggest that this story might be a hoax?

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 9 May 2022 17:05 UTC

On 09/05/2022 17:51, GB wrote:
> On 09/05/2022 13:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> Interesting. This story first got wings in a left leaning newspaper
>>> in Sydney.
>>>
>>> https://ground.news/article/zimbabweans-boil-used-nappies-to-get-high
>>>
>>> Did the telegraph write their own bias into it, or have you read into
>>> it something else that they have missed?
>>>
>>> If things are going to crap, is it always socialism behind it?
>>>
>>
>> Usually, yes...
>>
>
> As I can't find any other evidence of nappies making people high, I'd
> tentatively suggest that this story might be a hoax?
>
>
Well allegedly its sodium polyacrylate that does the number.

--
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
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 by: Jock - Mon, 9 May 2022 18:36 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 20:36:08 +1000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 21:13, Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:13:13 +1000, Richard
>> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2022 19:32, GB wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2022 16:53, Richard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So you actually believe that the whole of the productive land
>>>>> "stolen" by the British was being cultivated?
>>>> Why did you put stolen in quotes? Cecil Rhodes arrived, and he
>>>> machine gunned any natives who objected. Very brave of him, as they
>>>> were heavily armed with spears.
>>
>>> Because it was not stolen.
>> Of course it was. It wasn't bought from or given by the savages.
>
> Someone would still moan if it had, like they moan that Manhattan Island
> was bought from the natives for $26 dollars (or so) in beads.

Yep, that was certainly stolen.

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 by: Jock - Mon, 9 May 2022 18:39 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2022 20:39:31 +1000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

> On 08/05/2022 19:53, Jock wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 May 2022 23:16:32 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>> ends up eating your own pets (Venezuela),
>> The chinese used to eat the neighbour's children in the pre communism
>> days.
>> Apparantly it is easier to swap the kids with the neighbours before
>> eating them than eating your own.
>
> That's just sentimentality.

Nope, a rather useful way to operate in a famine because
it is so easy make more brats when the famine is over.

> People who keep goats swap their (goat) kids in the same way.

Hardly anyone does that.

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On Mon, 09 May 2022 22:46:33 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
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> On 09/05/2022 13:38, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it
>>> ends up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that
>>> true communism is a whole new level below that...
>>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/08/desperate-zimbabweans-boiling-nappies-get-high-new-drug-craze/
>> Interesting. This story first got wings in a left leaning newspaper
>> in Sydney.
>> https://ground.news/article/zimbabweans-boil-used-nappies-to-get-high
>> Did the telegraph write their own bias into it, or have you read into
>> it something else that they have missed?
>> If things are going to crap, is it always socialism behind it?
>>
>
> Usually, yes...
>
> It removes hope and introduces equitable misery.

That's not socialism, that's Marxism.

> People turn to drugs.

Of course no one ever does that with capitalism, eh ?

> What are the basic tenets of socialism?
> Life is unfair.
> People ought to be equal

That's not socialism, that's Marxism.

> People are not equal.
> This is someone else's fault. Its not a mere accident or bad luck.
> Something must be done about it.

Of course no one ever does that with capitalism, eh ?

> This must consist in finding out and identifying these people and making
> them as miserable as you are.

That's not socialism, that's Marxism.

> There is no point doing anything for yourself, as they will take it all
> away from you.

That's not socialism, that's Marxism.

> Success is only achieved when everyone is a loser and everyone is in
> fact dead.

That's not socialism, that's Marxism.

> Look at the socialists on here, full of hate against some other 'class',

Of course you never ever do anything like that with socialists, eh ?

> always preaching 'equality',

That's not socialism, that's Marxism.

> always expecting a 'government' to fix their shit, and the bigger the
> government the better it is,

That's not socialism, that's Marxism.

> yea even unto the EU.

That's not socialism either.

> Always banging a moral drum. Never ever getting on and fixing their own
> shit themselves.

>> Hmmm.... world current events :(

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 by: Lew - Mon, 9 May 2022 18:54 UTC

On 08/05/2022 14:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> as a request to be nice to other people, it used to be said that it ends
> up eating your own pets (Venezuela), but Zimbabwe has shown that true
> communism is a whole new level below that...

No country in the world has ever claimed to have established communism.

--
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