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* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearYTC#1
+* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearColin Irvine
|`* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearwessie
| +* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearYTC#1
| |`* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearwessie
| | `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearYTC#1
| |  `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearwessie
| |   `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearYTC#1
| |    `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearwessie
| |     `- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearChamp
| +* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearChamp
| |`- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearwessie
| `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearTurby
|  +- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearwessie
|  `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearPaul Carmichael
|   +- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearColin Irvine
|   `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearMark Olson
|    `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearPaul Carmichael
|     +- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearMark Olson
|     +* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearwessie
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|     | `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearPaul Carmichael
|     |  `- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearwessie
|     `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearMark Olson
|      `* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearPaul Carmichael
|       `- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearMark Olson
+* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearPaul Carmichael
|`- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearYTC#1
`* Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearChamp
 `- Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gearYTC#1

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Subject: Summer gloves/winter gloves, warm gear/wet gear
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 by: YTC#1 - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55 UTC

Got back from a small ride to Alicante late on Friday night.

It seemed like a good idea, 3rd week in October, book a ferry in 2 days
time and ride to Alicante for a beer.

As expected, the warm dry October weather broke on the Wednesday as I
headed down to Portsmouth. Good job I was in full waterproof gear.

From St Malo I headed down to Bordeaux vai the autoroute (to just get
the distance done), by which time I had too many layers on and was
starting to shed them.

Then it was up and over the Pyrenees Oloron Sainte Marie and Canfranc to
just outside Zaragoza. I know there are other routes, but at this time
of year the roads are empty and the autumn colours were ablaze.

Looking back over the Pyrenees, fantastic view.
https://ytc1-cloud.dyndns.org:643/nextcloud/index.php/s/GBfkNaC9sCHRCBp

After truckstop Motel I headed down to Alicante, avoiding motorways, and
across the very spaghetti western landscape. After about 1/2 an hour,
despite the blazing sun I was feeling chill and needed t ochange back to
winter gloves. It may have had something to do with climbing to 1400m as
the road twisted up.

Originally I had inteneded to come back via Calais, but I must be
getting old and was not looking forward to the prospect of a possibly
wet slog up through northern France, so managed to grab one of the last
places on the Santander/Plymouth ferry for the following Friday.

This meant after a couple days of drinking beer I was able to head out
across Spain for an explore. From Cuenca to Birgos I selected (ok,
google selected) a cmplete non highway route across the mountains and
valleys. Stunning as you drop down twisty bits, across a valley floor,
thorugh a hilltop village and over a plain again.

A must revisit area.

The less said about the delays on the ferry back, the better. Other than
fuck Brexit!

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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From: loo...@colinandpat.co.uk (Colin Irvine)
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 by: Colin Irvine - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 10:13 UTC

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>A must revisit area.

Noted!

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

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 by: wessie - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 10:36 UTC

Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>A must revisit area.
>
> Noted!
>

Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and views
in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and Bilbao.

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 by: YTC#1 - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:41 UTC

On 31/10/2021 10:36, wessie wrote:
> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A must revisit area.
>>
>> Noted!
>>
>
> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and views
> in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and Bilbao.
>

Check out Cuenca to Teruel as well.

I can see a "proper" visit happening next (early) October.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: wessie - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 15:30 UTC

YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:slm6dn$qbp$1@dont-email.me:

> On 31/10/2021 10:36, wessie wrote:
>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>
>>> Noted!
>>>
>>
>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and
>> views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and
>> Bilbao.
>>
>
> Check out Cuenca to Teruel as well.
>
> I can see a "proper" visit happening next (early) October.
>
>

I have used my BF voucher from last year to book a trip from 18 to 29 Sept
using the Plymouth Santander route. A bit earleir than I usually go but it
seems there aren't many ferry slots left as presumably, there are thousands
of people like me with vouchers to use or lose before they epxire next
year.

This is an open invite trip organised via a Fb group. As people might plan
to travel via different routes I have proposed assembling in Pau on 20 Sept
2022. That gives me a day and a half by myself in the bits I refer to
above, staying in the Parador de Arg�maniz on 19 Sept.

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From: wibbleyp...@gmail.com (Paul Carmichael)
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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:27 UTC

El Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 escribió:

> Got back from a small ride to Alicante late on Friday night.

One day you will get here. Only about 5 or 6 hours away this time.

Did you go to Campello? I went to a meeting there a couple of years ago.
Very cute.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: YTC#1 - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 17:19 UTC

On 31/10/2021 15:30, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:slm6dn$qbp$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 31/10/2021 10:36, wessie wrote:
>>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>>
>>>> Noted!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and
>>> views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and
>>> Bilbao.
>>>
>>
>> Check out Cuenca to Teruel as well.
>>
>> I can see a "proper" visit happening next (early) October.
>>
>>
>
> I have used my BF voucher from last year to book a trip from 18 to 29 Sept
> using the Plymouth Santander route. A bit earleir than I usually go but it
> seems there aren't many ferry slots left as presumably, there are thousands
> of people like me with vouchers to use or lose before they epxire next
> year.
>
> This is an open invite trip organised via a Fb group. As people might plan
> to travel via different routes I have proposed assembling in Pau on 20 Sept
> 2022. That gives me a day and a half by myself in the bits I refer to
> above, staying in the Parador de Arg�maniz on 19 Sept.
>

Jean will not get on that Ferry ever again :-)

Never know, may see you around the area :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: YTC#1 - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 17:24 UTC

On 31/10/2021 16:27, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 escribió:
>
>> Got back from a small ride to Alicante late on Friday night.
>
> One day you will get here. Only about 5 or 6 hours away this time.

Yeah, I know. But a bit longer if avoiding the motorways.

I will turn up one day, and you will probably be out :-)
>
> Did you go to Campello? I went to a meeting there a couple of years ago.
> Very cute.

Nope, never heard of until you mentioned it just now.
>

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: wessie - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 17:55 UTC

YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:slmj71$nmk$1@dont-email.me:

> On 31/10/2021 15:30, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:slm6dn$qbp$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 31/10/2021 10:36, wessie wrote:
>>>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Noted!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads
>>>> and views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and
>>>> Bilbao.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Check out Cuenca to Teruel as well.
>>>
>>> I can see a "proper" visit happening next (early) October.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have used my BF voucher from last year to book a trip from 18 to 29
>> Sept using the Plymouth Santander route. A bit earleir than I usually
>> go but it seems there aren't many ferry slots left as presumably,
>> there are thousands of people like me with vouchers to use or lose
>> before they epxire next year.
>>
>> This is an open invite trip organised via a Fb group. As people might
>> plan to travel via different routes I have proposed assembling in Pau
>> on 20 Sept 2022. That gives me a day and a half by myself in the bits
>> I refer to above, staying in the Parador de Arg�maniz on 19 Sept.
>>
>
> Jean will not get on that Ferry ever again :-)
>

Boredom? Seasick? Port delay? Paperwork?

> Never know, may see you around the area :-)
>
>

Not if I see you first...

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 by: YTC#1 - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 18:34 UTC

On 31/10/2021 17:55, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:slmj71$nmk$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 31/10/2021 15:30, wessie wrote:
>>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:slm6dn$qbp$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 31/10/2021 10:36, wessie wrote:
>>>>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noted!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads
>>>>> and views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and
>>>>> Bilbao.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Check out Cuenca to Teruel as well.
>>>>
>>>> I can see a "proper" visit happening next (early) October.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have used my BF voucher from last year to book a trip from 18 to 29
>>> Sept using the Plymouth Santander route. A bit earleir than I usually
>>> go but it seems there aren't many ferry slots left as presumably,
>>> there are thousands of people like me with vouchers to use or lose
>>> before they epxire next year.
>>>
>>> This is an open invite trip organised via a Fb group. As people might
>>> plan to travel via different routes I have proposed assembling in Pau
>>> on 20 Sept 2022. That gives me a day and a half by myself in the bits
>>> I refer to above, staying in the Parador de Arg�maniz on 19 Sept.
>>>
>>
>> Jean will not get on that Ferry ever again :-)
>>
>
> Boredom? Seasick? Port delay? Paperwork?

She gets very seasick, very easy.
We used it in 2008. She wasn't happy.

I get bored.
It suited me on this occasion, but the delays were a PITA as well.

Don't start me on a rant over boarding and disembarkation.
>
>> Never know, may see you around the area :-)
>>
>>
>
> Not if I see you first...
>

:-P

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: wessie - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 19:08 UTC

YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:slmniv$p9a$2@dont-email.me:

> On 31/10/2021 17:55, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:slmj71$nmk$1@dont-
email.me:
>>
>>> On 31/10/2021 15:30, wessie wrote:
>>>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:slm6dn$qbp$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2021 10:36, wessie wrote:
>>>>>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-
spambin.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Noted!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads
>>>>>> and views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander
and
>>>>>> Bilbao.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out Cuenca to Teruel as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see a "proper" visit happening next (early) October.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have used my BF voucher from last year to book a trip from 18 to
29
>>>> Sept using the Plymouth Santander route. A bit earleir than I
usually
>>>> go but it seems there aren't many ferry slots left as presumably,
>>>> there are thousands of people like me with vouchers to use or lose
>>>> before they epxire next year.
>>>>
>>>> This is an open invite trip organised via a Fb group. As people
might
>>>> plan to travel via different routes I have proposed assembling in
Pau
>>>> on 20 Sept 2022. That gives me a day and a half by myself in the
bits
>>>> I refer to above, staying in the Parador de Arg�maniz on 19 Sept.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jean will not get on that Ferry ever again :-)
>>>
>>
>> Boredom? Seasick? Port delay? Paperwork?
>
> She gets very seasick, very easy.
> We used it in 2008. She wasn't happy.
>

I like it rough!

My last trip in 2019 from Portsmouth was a cracker in the �conomi� ship.
Most people disappeared to their cabins leaving a small number with good
sea legs to enjoy their beer without the usual queue and noise.

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On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 19:08:34 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>>>> Jean will not get on that Ferry ever again :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Boredom? Seasick? Port delay? Paperwork?
>>
>> She gets very seasick, very easy.
>> We used it in 2008. She wasn't happy.

>I like it rough!

Finbar Saunders, is that you?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: Champ - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 13:01 UTC

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 10:36:26 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>A must revisit area.

>Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and views
>in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and Bilbao.

I just scratched the surface when riding from Pamplona to Bilbao and
then Santander, back in 2019. I was very impressed then, and
commented at the time that I needed to go back

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: Champ - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 13:02 UTC

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>Got back from a small ride to Alicante late on Friday night.
>
>It seemed like a good idea, 3rd week in October, book a ferry in 2 days
>time and ride to Alicante for a beer.

<snip>

Great report. I need to get off my arse and do more of this sort of
thing. Reference other thread - we're a long time dead, after all

>The less said about the delays on the ferry back, the better. Other than
>fuck Brexit!

Once you've calmed down, can you set out the issues you experienced,
please? For my (and everyone else's) benefit?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: wessie - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 13:54 UTC

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in
news:86pvng90gqjkllfh9cl77bbvrhhpmabi55@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 10:36:26 -0000 (UTC), wessie
> <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>
>>>>A must revisit area.
>
>>Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and
>>views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and
>>Bilbao.
>
> I just scratched the surface when riding from Pamplona to Bilbao and
> then Santander, back in 2019. I was very impressed then, and
> commented at the time that I needed to go back
>

It was that post that made me study Google Maps & Streetview for my later
trip in 2019. I passed through the same national park on the way south from
Bilbao and then did some roads a bit further west on the way to Santander.
Largely taking as close to a straight line from a Finca in Rioja near
Logrono as possible. The roads were certainly not very straight or flat
once travelling NW from Modina de Pomar via Portilla de Lunada.

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 by: YTC#1 - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 15:12 UTC

On 01/11/2021 13:02, Champ wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Got back from a small ride to Alicante late on Friday night.
>>
>> It seemed like a good idea, 3rd week in October, book a ferry in 2 days
>> time and ride to Alicante for a beer.
>
> <snip>
>
> Great report. I need to get off my arse and do more of this sort of
> thing. Reference other thread - we're a long time dead, after all
>
>> The less said about the delays on the ferry back, the better. Other than
>> fuck Brexit!
>
> Once you've calmed down, can you set out the issues you experienced,
> please? For my (and everyone else's) benefit?
>

Done :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: Turby - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 20:29 UTC

On 10/31/2021 3:36 AM, wessie wrote:
> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A must revisit area.
>>
>> Noted!
>>
>
> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and views
> in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and Bilbao.
>
The coast west of Santiago de Compostela is nice, too.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

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 by: wessie - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 21:04 UTC

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:slpin7$31v$1@dont-email.me:

> On 10/31/2021 3:36 AM, wessie wrote:
>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
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>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>
>>> Noted!
>>>
>>
>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and
>> views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and
>> Bilbao.
>>
> The coast west of Santiago de Compostela is nice, too.
>

I was meant to be there last year, taking in a bit more of Asturias on the
way. One of my little hobbies is to drink a wine where it is made and I was
looking forward to looking out to the Atlantic in Galicia whilst sipping
some Albari�o.

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:05 UTC

El Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:29:26 -0700, Turby escribió:

> On 10/31/2021 3:36 AM, wessie wrote:
>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
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>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>
>>> Noted!
>>>
>>>
>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and
>> views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and Bilbao.
>>
> The coast west of Santiago de Compostela is nice, too.

When I was in Santiago, I tried to find a teeshirt with the slogan
"LLegué a Santiago en avión" without success.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Colin Irvine - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:44 UTC

On 2 Nov 2021 08:05:26 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
wrote:

>When I was in Santiago, I tried to find a teeshirt with the slogan
>"LLegué a Santiago en avión" without success.

Heh.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

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 by: Mark Olson - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:50 UTC

Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:29:26 -0700, Turby escribió:
>
>> On 10/31/2021 3:36 AM, wessie wrote:
>>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>>
>>>> Noted!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and
>>> views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and Bilbao.
>>>
>> The coast west of Santiago de Compostela is nice, too.
>
>
> When I was in Santiago, I tried to find a teeshirt with the slogan
> "LLegué a Santiago en avión" without success.

Whoosh (not just the sound an airplane passing over).

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 09:23 UTC

El Tue, 02 Nov 2021 08:50:00 +0000, Mark Olson escribió:

> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:29:26 -0700, Turby escribió:
>>
>>> On 10/31/2021 3:36 AM, wessie wrote:
>>>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Noted!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and
>>>> views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and
>>>> Bilbao.
>>>>
>>> The coast west of Santiago de Compostela is nice, too.
>>
>>
>> When I was in Santiago, I tried to find a teeshirt with the slogan
>> "LLegué a Santiago en avión" without success.
>
> Whoosh (not just the sound an airplane passing over).

I live in a catlick country. Everyone has to walk to Santiago some time
in their life. A bit like the muslims with Mecca, only on foot. People
boast about how far they walked (you can choose to walk from the next
village or from Australia, but as far as I know, it's largely a European
thing).

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Mark Olson - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 10:59 UTC

Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Tue, 02 Nov 2021 08:50:00 +0000, Mark Olson escribió:
>
>> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> El Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:29:26 -0700, Turby escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 10/31/2021 3:36 AM, wessie wrote:
>>>>> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>> news:h1rsnglfdcs68upiaov63o5s9glk46dlr3@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:55:58 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A must revisit area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noted!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone heads for the Picos or Pyrenees. Some of the best roads and
>>>>> views in Spain are north of Burgos just inland of Santander and
>>>>> Bilbao.
>>>>>
>>>> The coast west of Santiago de Compostela is nice, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> When I was in Santiago, I tried to find a teeshirt with the slogan
>>> "LLegué a Santiago en avión" without success.
>>
>> Whoosh (not just the sound an airplane passing over).
>
> I live in a catlick country. Everyone has to walk to Santiago some time
> in their life. A bit like the muslims with Mecca, only on foot. People
> boast about how far they walked (you can choose to walk from the next
> village or from Australia, but as far as I know, it's largely a European
> thing).

Ah. I do have a dim memory of this, but didn't remember that SdC was
the location.

If I'm not mistaken, there are some pilgrimage sites where you get
bonus points for crawling the entire distance, preferably on your
bloody hands and knees. Maybe this is one of them. Pretty sure
there's a site in Mexico like that.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

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 by: wessie - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 11:09 UTC

Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote in

> I live in a catlick country. Everyone has to walk to Santiago some
> time in their life. A bit like the muslims with Mecca, only on foot.
> People boast about how far they walked (you can choose to walk from
> the next village or from Australia, but as far as I know, it's largely
> a European thing).
>

when travelling by motorcycle across Asturias etc, the water troughs for
the pilgrims are very handy when it is 35C. Especially if it is a spring
with very cold water. Not for drinking but for cooling feet and pouring
over the merino wicking layer to induce evaporative cooling.

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 11:36 UTC

El Tue, 02 Nov 2021 11:09:39 +0000, wessie escribió:

> when travelling by motorcycle across Asturias etc, the water troughs for
> the pilgrims are very handy when it is 35C. Especially if it is a spring
> with very cold water. Not for drinking but for cooling feet and pouring
> over the merino wicking layer to induce evaporative cooling.

I don't think it gets to 35ºC up there very often. And it rains a lot. A
bit like Wales.

https://www.vitonica.com/entrenamiento/caminos-santiago-asi-diferentes-
rutas-que-puedes-elegir-para-llegar-a-santiago

The official route for Brits doesn't go via Asturias. Straight into
Galicia with only a short walk to Santiago.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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