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+* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseAndy Burns
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| `* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseTim Streater
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| | `- Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseJohn Rumm
| `* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseMartin Brown
|  `- Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseAndy Burns
+* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseR D S
|`* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseJethro_uk
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+* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseRobin
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|`- Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseAndrew
+* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseChris Hogg
|+- Re: OT: Wholesale energy price risePancho
|+- Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseTim Streater
|`* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseVir Campestris
| +- Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseBrian Gaff \(Sofa\)
| `- Re: OT: Wholesale energy price riseAndrew
+* Re: OT: Wholesale energy price risePeter Able
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`* Re: Wholesale energy price riseBrian Gaff \(Sofa\)
 `* Re: Wholesale energy price riseRJH
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  `* Re: Wholesale energy price riseBrian Gaff
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    +- Re: Wholesale energy price riseDave Plowman (News)
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    +- Re: Wholesale energy price riseBrian Gaff \(Sofa\)
    `* Re: Wholesale energy price riseChris Hogg
     +* Re: Wholesale energy price riseThe Natural Philosopher
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From: ron.so...@aol.com (R Souls)
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 by: R Souls - Mon, 9 May 2022 08:41 UTC

On 8 May 2022 15:01:23 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
wrote:

>On 08 May 2022 at 15:41:41 BST, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2022 12:14 PM, R Souls wrote:
>>> On 6 May 2022 14:52:40 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>> R D S wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>>>>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>>>>> the taxpayer is paying.
>>>>
>>>> As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the sense
>>>> to go hugely nuclear years ago.
>>>
>>> It's not all good news.
>>>
>>> https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662
>>>
>>
>> If you select a continuous-fueling technology reactor type,
>> you can get high up-times.
>>
>> However, nuclear reactors are like buying a car at the dealership.
>>
>> You can do all your homework, and still get a "lemon".
>>
>> The service record of reactors here, some are "50% available" (lemon),
>> some of the continuous fueling ones might be "85% available" (still
>> need a rebuild, once in a while, to repair pipes or whatever).
>>
>> The thing is, don't build all the nukes on the same day,
>> because the failures or service life might correlate, causing
>> a "lump" in the maintenance. By selecting to build nukes in "waves",
>> using different types for the "waves", you might prevent the
>> entire fleet from averaging 50%.
>>
>> The reactors look much more attractive, if the fueling system
>> can run while the thing is generating power.
>>
>> Nukes are not a spur of the moment hobby. They require
>> a continuous commitment to build and repair, and forethought
>> to give them the best "maintenance look". And unfortunately,
>> the humans who run them, don't have exactly the longest
>> attention spans :-)
>
>This is true for any utility structure, I'd have thought. The water system has
>a lot of leaks as little thought was given to maintenance while it was in
>"public" ownership.

An excerpt from the link:

Why reactors have been shut down

Of particular concern are five reactors that were shut down after
cracking caused by corrosion was identified in pipework last year,
with tests under way to determine how serious the problem is.
Advertisement

EDF suspects corrosion at least six more plants, and will shut down
three especially for testing, and test at least another three in
routine maintenance periods.

The firm, which supplies all of France's atomic energy, confirmed it
was importing power from the European grid "to compensate the lack of
production of our nuclear plants".

Not very good, eh?

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 9 May 2022 14:22 UTC

Yes I agree. It has always been thus. The industry, whatever it may be will
blame profiteering on some external agency, to allow them to carry on
business as usual.
I'm also intrigued by how it is that some telecom companies manage to keep
their roaming charges static, and others just put them up and surely its
well time that data over the mobile network is almost free these days. There
should be competition, but there is obviously a cartel operating and surely
this is illegal.
Brian

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"Vir Campestris" <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 06/05/2022 12:38, Chris Hogg wrote:
>> Seeing the massive profits announced recently by the likes of Shell
>> and BP, the whole business makes me angry.
>>
>> They hide behind the explanation that it's market prices across the
>> world, brought on by the Covid pandemic and Russia's invasion of
>> Ukraine.
>>
>> But their supply costs haven't gone up much - a few percent maybe -
>> and they're just taking advantage of the global energy prices to cash
>> in. It costs little more to extract gas or oil from under the North
>> Sea today for example, compared to three or four years ago, especially
>> as all the exploration work, drilling, pipeline-laying etc, was
>> finished decades ago. All they have to do is man the platforms and
>> open and close valves, as appropriate.
>>
>> I do hope the government slaps a whacking great windfall tax on them,
>> which, bearing in mind I've never had socialist tendencies in my life,
>> shows just how annoyed it makes me!
>
> I forget which, but one of them just took a massive loss on dumping their
> connections in ROSNEF.
>
> And they are both in my pension fund. Unless you work for the state they
> are likely in yours too. A windfall tax would affect millions of pension
> plan owners - not just pensioners - in the UK and elsewhere.
>
> Andy

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 by: Andrew - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:32 UTC

On 07/05/2022 11:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 in message <t558ij$uam$1@gioia.aioe.org> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
>> a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
>> South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
>> a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.
>
> Anybody living in a rural area may well need a 4 x 4, try getting across
> Salisbury Plain in a 2 WD. People buy what is suitable for them, it's
> not up to generation Z or a bunch of snowflakes to tell them what to drive.
>

Are there no paved roads on Salisbury Plain ?.
If not, why would anyone feel it necessary to drive across it,
(apart from the army) ?.

and please don't tell me that there are 'green lanes' because those
were only ever intended for pony and traps, not imbeciles in 4x4's.

With 30+ million cars on the road and concentrated in only a
few counties and cities, those who have to live there do have a
right to decide what sort of vehicles are used and parked on
the roads.

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 by: Andrew - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:34 UTC

On 08/05/2022 21:36, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 12:38, Chris Hogg wrote:
>> Seeing the massive profits announced recently by the likes of Shell
>> and BP, the whole business makes me angry.
>>
>> They hide behind the explanation that it's market prices across the
>> world, brought on by the Covid pandemic and Russia's invasion of
>> Ukraine.
>>
>> But their supply costs haven't gone up much - a few percent maybe -
>> and they're just taking advantage of the global energy prices to cash
>> in. It costs little more to extract gas or oil from under the North
>> Sea today for example, compared to three or four years ago, especially
>> as all the exploration work, drilling, pipeline-laying etc, was
>> finished decades ago. All they have to do is man the platforms and
>> open and close valves, as appropriate.
>>
>> I do hope the government slaps a whacking great windfall tax on them,
>> which, bearing in mind I've never had socialist tendencies in my life,
>> shows just how annoyed it makes me!
>
> I forget which, but one of them just took a massive loss on dumping
> their connections in ROSNEF.
>
> And they are both in my pension fund. Unless you work for the state they
> are likely in yours too. A windfall tax would affect millions of pension
> plan owners - not just pensioners - in the UK and elsewhere.
>
> Andy

+1000

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:41 UTC

On 09/05/2022 in message <t5bfn7$tle$1@gioia.aioe.org> Andrew wrote:

>On 07/05/2022 11:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:

>>Anybody living in a rural area may well need a 4 x 4, try getting across
>>Salisbury Plain in a 2 WD. People buy what is suitable for them, it's not
>>up to generation Z or a bunch of snowflakes to tell them what to drive.
>>
>
>Are there no paved roads on Salisbury Plain ?.
>If not, why would anyone feel it necessary to drive across it,
>(apart from the army) ?.

Vast chunks of Salisbury Plain are open to the public for recreational
purposes,you do need a suitable vehicle to reach some of them though.

>and please don't tell me that there are 'green lanes' because those
>were only ever intended for pony and traps, not imbeciles in 4x4's.

No idea what they are.

>With 30+ million cars on the road and concentrated in only a
>few counties and cities, those who have to live there do have a
>right to decide what sort of vehicles are used and parked on
>the roads.

Generation Z snowflake claptrap.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I take full responsibility for what happened - that is why the person that
was responsible went immediately.
(Gordon Brown, April 2009)

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 by: R D S - Tue, 10 May 2022 11:50 UTC

On 08/05/2022 09:18, Richard wrote:
> If you filled up when it hits a quarter of a tank you wouldn't hit the
> £99 barrier.

Ha, ever the optimist I let it run lower than usual hoping the price
would drop!

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Thu, 26 May 2022 08:14 UTC

Well, there are two prices, the price now and what they get charged if they
buy ahead, which in effects builds in the uncertainties. This in effect
means that you will always pay moor, and so do the suppliers, than the
current spot price for energy, in order for them to budget and to guarantee
supply in the long term. However there is also another problem. We got rid
of a lot of our gas storage facilities, and now we are reliant on other
countries selling the gas to us from their stores, and of course charging
for storage, and they need to know ahead of time too, so they don't leave
themselves short.
So its not as simple as looking at the spot price, everyone is hedging
their bets by trying to get security against price. I cannot help thinking
though, that if there were fewer companies in the supply chain and we still
had storage a lot of this merry go round could have been ironed out.
Brian

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"R D S" <rsandr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Save me wading through search results.....
>
> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has risen
> since 2020?
> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost treble
> what it was this time 2 years ago.
>
> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket at
> work!

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 by: RJH - Thu, 26 May 2022 09:00 UTC

I can't help thinking that fewer companies would just create an oligopoly,
with price fixing between them.

But as it is the energy 'production' companies seem to enjoy legitimate price
fixing - beyond anything a cartel could ever dream of.

One effect has been some radical changes in how we use energy, with
(anecdotally) those that can looking hard at ways to cut down. We'll always be
reliant on energy, but at this rate how much and from which source will
(hopefully) become permanently rejigged.

Another is renewed calls for nationalisation. Bring it on.

On 26 May 2022 at 09:14:05 BST, ""Brian Gaff \" <Sofa\)"
<briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Well, there are two prices, the price now and what they get charged if they
> buy ahead, which in effects builds in the uncertainties. This in effect
> means that you will always pay moor, and so do the suppliers, than the
> current spot price for energy, in order for them to budget and to guarantee
> supply in the long term. However there is also another problem. We got rid
> of a lot of our gas storage facilities, and now we are reliant on other
> countries selling the gas to us from their stores, and of course charging
> for storage, and they need to know ahead of time too, so they don't leave
> themselves short.
> So its not as simple as looking at the spot price, everyone is hedging
> their bets by trying to get security against price. I cannot help thinking
> though, that if there were fewer companies in the supply chain and we still
> had storage a lot of this merry go round could have been ironed out.
> Brian

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 by: alan_m - Thu, 26 May 2022 09:43 UTC

On 26/05/2022 10:00, RJH wrote:

> Another is renewed calls for nationalisation. Bring it on.

And Nationalisation was more efficient and had cheaper prices in the past?

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 by: Brian Gaff - Sun, 29 May 2022 08:43 UTC

It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
let them run down and need investment that only private companies were
willing to provided but of course they wanted a return for that. It was a
good idea selling shares to the masses, but really we are all to blame as if
we had hung onto our shares and used our holding to control the excesses of
the companies and who bought who, we could hav had them tamed, instead we
sold the shares to make a quick profit, not really caring who bought them
with the result we now have.

Brian

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"RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote in message
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>I can't help thinking that fewer companies would just create an oligopoly,
> with price fixing between them.
>
> But as it is the energy 'production' companies seem to enjoy legitimate
> price
> fixing - beyond anything a cartel could ever dream of.
>
> One effect has been some radical changes in how we use energy, with
> (anecdotally) those that can looking hard at ways to cut down. We'll
> always be
> reliant on energy, but at this rate how much and from which source will
> (hopefully) become permanently rejigged.
>
> Another is renewed calls for nationalisation. Bring it on.
>
>
> On 26 May 2022 at 09:14:05 BST, ""Brian Gaff \" <Sofa\)"
> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Well, there are two prices, the price now and what they get charged if
>> they
>> buy ahead, which in effects builds in the uncertainties. This in effect
>> means that you will always pay moor, and so do the suppliers, than the
>> current spot price for energy, in order for them to budget and to
>> guarantee
>> supply in the long term. However there is also another problem. We got
>> rid
>> of a lot of our gas storage facilities, and now we are reliant on other
>> countries selling the gas to us from their stores, and of course
>> charging
>> for storage, and they need to know ahead of time too, so they don't leave
>> themselves short.
>> So its not as simple as looking at the spot price, everyone is hedging
>> their bets by trying to get security against price. I cannot help
>> thinking
>> though, that if there were fewer companies in the supply chain and we
>> still
>> had storage a lot of this merry go round could have been ironed out.
>> Brian
>
>
> --
> Cheers, Rob

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 by: Brian Gaff - Sun, 29 May 2022 08:45 UTC

It is of course true that they can buy more in quantity, and hence get one
hopes more acceptable prices, but I do recall that there were problems with
costs back then and lack of investment in the infrastructure.
Brian

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> On 26/05/2022 10:00, RJH wrote:
>
>> Another is renewed calls for nationalisation. Bring it on.
>
>
> And Nationalisation was more efficient and had cheaper prices in the past?
>
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 by: charles - Sun, 29 May 2022 10:54 UTC

In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
> let them run down

The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Sun, 29 May 2022 13:01 UTC

In article <59f0250121charles@candehope.me.uk>,
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
> > that let them run down

> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
> 'profit' the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.

That also is the history of much of UK industry, now gone. If you replace
treasury with shareholders.

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 by: Robin - Sun, 29 May 2022 13:09 UTC

On 29/05/2022 11:54, charles wrote:
> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>> let them run down
>
> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>

That is of course a contestable - and contested - analysis.

And for 25 years now the EU has been busily breaking up national
monopolies, requiring access for new providers and generally
liberalising the energy market. If you think that's wrong you should
applaud Brexit an essential first step on the way back to an integrated,
nationalised industry.

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 by: alan_m - Sun, 29 May 2022 20:04 UTC

On 29/05/2022 09:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
> It is of course true that they can buy more in quantity, and hence get one
> hopes more acceptable prices, but I do recall that there were problems with
> costs back then and lack of investment in the infrastructure.
> Brian
>

The lack of investment was one of the main problems that comes back to
bite years later in consumer prices when catch-up has to take place.

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 30 May 2022 06:33 UTC

I thought that was what I just said?
The Government and nationalised industries are not compatible, since its
like having a building and never doing any repairs and then wondering why it
falls down.
Brian

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"charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>> let them run down
>
> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
> --
> from KT24 in Surrey, England
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 by: Chris Hogg - Mon, 30 May 2022 06:58 UTC

On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>> let them run down
>
>The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
>the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.

Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
first place.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 30 May 2022 08:19 UTC

On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>>> let them run down
>>
>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> first place.
>
But also little incentive to do a shit job to shave pennies off the cost.

From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty damned
good.

The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and electricity.

The problem with the other nationalised industries - railways and coal -
was the massively conservative Unions who would not change and adapt to
modern conditions. And as with all the other major public sector
organisations - education, NHS, media etc - they were prime targets for
communist infiltrators. And privatisation was a way to get rid of that.

Nationalisation is sometimes the least worst of a slew of bad options.
But look at the trains now - as we contemplate privatisation what
happens - national strike.

£60k a year sitting on your bottom driving a train looks a pretty decent
wage to me.
Especially with a decent pension and early retirement.

..
--
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"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

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 by: alan_m - Mon, 30 May 2022 08:22 UTC

On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>>> let them run down
>>
>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> first place.
>

Or provide any customer service.

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 by: Tim Streater - Mon, 30 May 2022 08:25 UTC

On 30 May 2022 at 07:58:28 BST, Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>>> let them run down
>>
>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> first place.

Or to be efficient (i.e., use as little of society's resources as possible to
achieve the outcome). Or to consider the wishes of the customers at all.

--
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Peter Thompson

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 30 May 2022 08:30 UTC

On 30/05/2022 09:22, alan_m wrote:
> On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>    Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
>>>> that
>>>> let them run down
>>>
>>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
>>> 'profit'
>>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>>
>> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
>> first place.
>>
>
>  Or provide any customer service.
>
Now, with so many businesses cartelised by the EU, nothing has changed.

BT ISP? forget customer service.

Any bank? Give us yer money and fuck off.

NHS ?go home and have your heart attack there. we aren't interested.

When your energy business is only concerned with the appearance of
'saving the planet' who gives a fuck about the customer?

--
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― Jean Claud Jüncker

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 by: charles - Mon, 30 May 2022 08:34 UTC

In article <t71ulq$ajv$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Brian Gaff
> >> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
> >>> that let them run down
> >>
> >> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
> >> 'profit' the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
> >
> > Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> > first place.
> >
> But also little incentive to do a shit job to shave pennies off the cost.

> From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty damned
> good.

> The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and electricity.

> The problem with the other nationalised industries - railways and coal -
> was the massively conservative Unions who would not change and adapt to
> modern conditions. And as with all the other major public sector
> organisations - education, NHS, media etc - they were prime targets for
> communist infiltrators. And privatisation was a way to get rid of that.

> Nationalisation is sometimes the least worst of a slew of bad options.
> But look at the trains now - as we contemplate privatisation what
> happens - national strike.

> £60k a year sitting on your bottom driving a train looks a pretty decent
> wage to me. Especially with a decent pension and early retirement.

It's not the drivers who are voting to strike.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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 by: charles - Mon, 30 May 2022 08:35 UTC

In article <jfjd5cFpo9qU2@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
<junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Brian Gaff
> >> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
> >>> that let them run down
> >>
> >> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
> >> 'profit' the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
> >
> > Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> > first place.
> >

> Or provide any customer service.

no - that comes with privatisation. Frm our callc entres overseas, is one
example.

--
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55 UTC

On 30/05/2022 09:34, charles wrote:
> In article <t71ulq$ajv$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Brian Gaff
>>>> <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
>>>>> that let them run down
>>>>
>>>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
>>>> 'profit' the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>>>
>>> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
>>> first place.
>>>
>> But also little incentive to do a shit job to shave pennies off the cost.
>
>> From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty damned
>> good.
>
>> The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and electricity.
>
>> The problem with the other nationalised industries - railways and coal -
>> was the massively conservative Unions who would not change and adapt to
>> modern conditions. And as with all the other major public sector
>> organisations - education, NHS, media etc - they were prime targets for
>> communist infiltrators. And privatisation was a way to get rid of that.
>
>> Nationalisation is sometimes the least worst of a slew of bad options.
>> But look at the trains now - as we contemplate privatisation what
>> happens - national strike.
>
>> £60k a year sitting on your bottom driving a train looks a pretty decent
>> wage to me. Especially with a decent pension and early retirement.
>
> It's not the drivers who are voting to strike.
>
True...it's Railtrack and all the Underground staff innit...

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 by: Andrew - Mon, 30 May 2022 09:52 UTC

On 30/05/2022 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>    Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
>>>> that
>>>> let them run down
>>>
>>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
>>> 'profit'
>>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>>
>> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
>> first place.
>>
> From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty damned
> good.
>
> The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and electricity.

Very expensive phones and a long wait to get a line installed (which
is why party lines were so common) - if at all ("We have no pairs").

Even when it became BT they had their own rules. BS5839 wasn't good
enough for the GPO/BT, they had their own standard on top of that
for manned exchange buildings.

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