One for the FOAK.

I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.

As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.

--
"There's nothing more dangreous than a resourceful idiot"

On 31/10/2021 16:51, Buzby wrote:
>
> One for the FOAK.
>
> I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
> looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
> route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>

Google maps.

> As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
> fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.
>
>

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YTC#1 wrote:

> > I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
> > looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
> > route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep
> > hills.
> >
>
> Google maps.

That was my first port of call - any idea how do you filter out road
types?

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"There's nothing more dangreous than a resourceful idiot"

On 31 Oct 2021 16:51:23 GMT, "Buzby" <gb@dropkegstheberkeleys.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>One for the FOAK.
>
>I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
>looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
>route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>
>As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
>fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.

You could try https://www.mapmyride.com/. Intended for cyclists, but
if you select 'Cycling - long distance' as your activoty and 'Avoid
Highways' it should be good for you. Also gives a graphic display of
climbs and descents, that may be more suitable for you.

Did you really mean to type 97 years old? As in, from 1924? Wottisit
mister?

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On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 18:36:08 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On 31 Oct 2021 16:51:23 GMT, "Buzby" <gb@dropkegstheberkeleys.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>One for the FOAK.
>>
>>I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
>>looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
>>route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>>
>>As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
>>fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.
>
>You could try https://www.mapmyride.com/. Intended for cyclists, but
>if you select 'Cycling - long distance' as your activoty and 'Avoid
>Highways' it should be good for you. Also gives a graphic display of
>climbs and descents, that may be more suitable for you.

Here's one I created since my previous reply
https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/4717686091

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Ace
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On 31/10/2021 17:31, Buzby wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>> I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
>>> looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
>>> route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep
>>> hills.
>>>
>>
>> Google maps.
>
> That was my first port of call - any idea how do you filter out road
> types?
>

It lets you filter out toll roads and motorways, under route options.

Alternatively, just have a look at a Michelin map.

I'm a bit confused over the fact you want to avoid National roads and
Autoroutes. Which leaves Departmental roads, if that is the case saying
no toll and no highway should suit you. As to hills, there aren't any
significant ones en-route to Le Mans (IMO).

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"Buzby" <gb@dropkegstheberkeleys.co.uk> wrote in news:iu7vsbF25orU1
@mid.individual.net:

>
> One for the FOAK.
>
> I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
> looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
> route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>
> As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
> fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.
>
>

www.kurviger.de has a lot of filters - designed with motorcycles in mind to
create curvy routes

On 31/10/2021 17:39, Ace wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 18:36:08 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>> On 31 Oct 2021 16:51:23 GMT, "Buzby" <gb@dropkegstheberkeleys.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> One for the FOAK.
>>>
>>> I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
>>> looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
>>> route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>>>
>>> As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
>>> fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.
>>
>> You could try https://www.mapmyride.com/. Intended for cyclists, but
>> if you select 'Cycling - long distance' as your activoty and 'Avoid
>> Highways' it should be good for you. Also gives a graphic display of
>> climbs and descents, that may be more suitable for you.
>
> Here's one I created since my previous reply
> https://www.pimpmyride.com/routes/view/4717686091
>

Fixed that for you

--
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http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Sunday, 31 October 2021 at 16:51:25 UTC, Buzby wrote:

> As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
> fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.

Why would you enjoy 'winding the French up' ?

Sounds a bit cuntish if I'm honest, especially given current nonsense going on.

Ace wrote:

> Did you really mean to type 97 years old? As in, from 1924? Wottisit
> mister?

Thanks for the suggestion - I think that is exactly the sort of thing
I'm looking for.

The car is a 1924 Alvis 12/40 built in the latter part of 1923

--
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On 31/10/2021 16:51, Buzby wrote:
>
> One for the FOAK.
>
> I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
> looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
> route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>
> As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
> fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.
>
>
https://www.waze.com

--
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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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ChrisND @UKRM <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 31/10/2021 16:51, Buzby wrote:
>>
>> One for the FOAK.
>>
>> I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
>> looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
>> route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>>
>> As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
>> fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.
>>
>>
> https://www.waze.com
>

I’ve found that, with Waze and Google Maps, they don’t avoid N roads when
set to avoid motorways.

On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 4:16:14 AM UTC-4, Buzby wrote:
> Ace wrote:
>
> > Did you really mean to type 97 years old? As in, from 1924? Wottisit
> > mister?
> Thanks for the suggestion - I think that is exactly the sort of thing
> I'm looking for.
>
> The car is a 1924 Alvis 12/40 built in the latter part of 1923

Interesting. A friend has a 1932 Alvis Firefly (is that the subsequent model to yours, but there's something terminal wrong with the engine block, and there simply aren't any replacements available - think he said there are only two left in North America, of which his is 50%. I saw it for the first time yesterday, and it looks terrific. Just needs an engine...

The same guy also has a 1960 Alvis TD21 drophead in beautiful dark blue with grey interior. I'm deeply, deeply in love with it.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:01:42 -0000 (UTC), Higgins
<the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> wrote:

>ChrisND @UKRM <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 31/10/2021 16:51, Buzby wrote:
>>>
>>> One for the FOAK.
>>>
>>> I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
>>> looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
>>> route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>>>
>>> As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
>>> fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.waze.com
>>
>
>I’ve found that, with Waze and Google Maps, they don’t avoid N roads when
>set to avoid motorways.

Well no, and I'm surprised that anyone is recommending them, given the
clearly stated requirements, especially the desire to base the route
on steepness of hills.

Some people don't seem to be able to read beyond the first couple of
lines.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Ben Blaney wrote:

> Interesting. A friend has a 1932 Alvis Firefly (is that the
> subsequent model to yours, but there's something terminal wrong with
> the engine block, and there simply aren't any replacements available
> - think he said there are only two left in North America, of which
> his is 50%. I saw it for the first time yesterday, and it looks
> terrific. Just needs an engine...

Does he belong to the Alvis register (not to be confused with the
owners club)? If not it may be worth joining as they have a very good
network and probably worth putting up a wanted ad in the monthly
bulletin.

https://www.alvisregister.co.uk/

For some reason the Register and the Owners club don't seem to rub
along well, the former being for pre-war cars and the latter for
post-war cars.

He might strike lucky with a block and I would have thought shipping
should be relatively straightforward.

This is mine at this years Kop Hill - looks OK from a distance!
https://theberkeleys.co.uk/mo-kop.jpg

>
> The same guy also has a 1960 Alvis TD21 drophead in beautiful dark
> blue with grey interior. I'm deeply, deeply in love with it.

A very very nice car.

--
"There's nothing more dangreous than a resourceful idiot"

Ben Blaney <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0c6c49dc-b86f-4496-842e-e04eb25b3572n@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 4:16:14 AM UTC-4, Buzby wrote:
>> Ace wrote:
>>
>> > Did you really mean to type 97 years old? As in, from 1924?
>> > Wottisit mister?
>> Thanks for the suggestion - I think that is exactly the sort of thing
>> I'm looking for.
>>
>> The car is a 1924 Alvis 12/40 built in the latter part of 1923
>
> Interesting. A friend has a 1932 Alvis Firefly (is that the
> subsequent model to yours, but there's something terminal wrong with
> the engine block, and there simply aren't any replacements available -
> think he said there are only two left in North America, of which his
> is 50%. I saw it for the first time yesterday, and it looks terrific.
> Just needs an engine...
>
> The same guy also has a 1960 Alvis TD21 drophead in beautiful dark
> blue with grey interior. I'm deeply, deeply in love with it.
>

I'd love a TD or TE21 in the light blue as used by Mr Fry in his detective
series

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HSb9NpuV15Q/T1GsFMTg7WI/AAAAAAAABCA/M5bdk8tUYdI/s1600/Alvis+TE21+with+Stephen+Fry.jpg

I guess it would be a TD if it was a 1962 model to match my age

On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 9:25:17 AM UTC-4, Buzby wrote:
> Ben Blaney wrote:
> Just needs an engine...
> Does he belong to the Alvis register (not to be confused with the
> owners club)? If not it may be worth joining as they have a very good
> network and probably worth putting up a wanted ad in the monthly
> bulletin.
>
> https://www.alvisregister.co.uk/

Don't know. I'd have thought so, but I'll check. He also just bought a 1948 TA14 Drophead Coupe, which I haven't seen in person yet.

And a while ago, he was telling me about a plan to join some once-a-decade Alvis club run around Britain, for which he was going to have to ship the TD21 there and back! He's retired, and eccentric, and his 35 cars are his principal hobby.

> This is mine at this years Kop Hill - looks OK from a distance!
> https://theberkeleys.co.uk/mo-kop.jpg

Handsome. I'd quite like a pre-war car, but I find them quite intimidating - partly based on the care and feeding, but also because some of the controls are...unusual.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 05:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
<benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The car is a 1924 Alvis 12/40 built in the latter part of 1923

>Interesting. A friend has a 1932 Alvis Firefly
>but there's something terminal wrong with the engine block, and there
>simply aren't any replacements available

I would have assumed that for things of that sort of age, you just
have to find someone who csn make a replacement from new?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 01/11/2021 12:38, Ace wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:01:42 -0000 (UTC), Higgins
> <the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ChrisND @UKRM <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> On 31/10/2021 16:51, Buzby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One for the FOAK.
>>>>
>>>> I'm contemplating a trip to the Le Mans Classic next year and am
>>>> looking for recommendations for a route planner where I can plot a
>>>> route through France avoiding N & A roads and preferably steep hills.
>>>>
>>>> As much as I enjoy winding the French up, a 97 yeard old SOC isn't that
>>>> fast and can get quite 'exciting' in traffic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://www.waze.com
>>>
>>
>> I’ve found that, with Waze and Google Maps, they don’t avoid N roads when
>> set to avoid motorways.
>
> Well no, and I'm surprised that anyone is recommending them, given the
> clearly stated requirements, especially the desire to base the route
> on steepness of hills.

Well, I did note that there is nothing that stands out as a steep hill
en-route to Le Mans (IMO).

>
> Some people don't seem to be able to read beyond the first couple of
> lines.
>
>

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

Ben Blaney <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 4:16:14 AM UTC-4, Buzby wrote:
>> Ace wrote:
>>
>> > Did you really mean to type 97 years old? As in, from 1924? Wottisit
>> > mister?
>> Thanks for the suggestion - I think that is exactly the sort of thing
>> I'm looking for.
>>
>> The car is a 1924 Alvis 12/40 built in the latter part of 1923
>
> Interesting. A friend has a 1932 Alvis Firefly (is that the
> subsequent model to yours, but there's something terminal wrong with
> the engine block, and there simply aren't any replacements available -
> think he said there are only two left in North America, of which his
> is 50%. I saw it for the first time yesterday, and it looks terrific.
> Just needs an engine...
>
> The same guy also has a 1960 Alvis TD21 drophead in beautiful dark
> blue with grey interior. I'm deeply, deeply in love with it.

"there's something terminal wrong with the engine block"

Where there's a will...

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24121/lot/522/

" ... unitary construction of the engine and four-speed gearbox, ..."

Oh dear.

I'll bet Mr. A. Millyard could sort it out.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

Ben Blaney wrote:

> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 9:25:17 AM UTC-4, Buzby wrote:
> > Ben Blaney wrote:
> > Just needs an engine...
> > Does he belong to the Alvis register (not to be confused with the
> > owners club)? If not it may be worth joining as they have a very
> > good network and probably worth putting up a wanted ad in the
> > monthly bulletin.
> >
> > https://www.alvisregister.co.uk/
>
> Don't know. I'd have thought so, but I'll check. He also just
> bought a 1948 TA14 Drophead Coupe, which I haven't seen in person yet.
>
> And a while ago, he was telling me about a plan to join some
> once-a-decade Alvis club run around Britain, for which he was going
> to have to ship the TD21 there and back! He's retired, and
> eccentric, and his 35 cars are his principal hobby.
>
> > This is mine at this years Kop Hill - looks OK from a distance!
> > https://theberkeleys.co.uk/mo-kop.jpg
>
> Handsome. I'd quite like a pre-war car, but I find them quite
> intimidating - partly based on the care and feeding, but also because
> some of the controls are...unusual.

If you want unusual, the Indian behind it has a left hand throttle,
foot clutch and hand gear change. Apparently it's ok once you get used
to it!

--
"There's nothing more dangreous than a resourceful idiot"

On 11/1/2021 4:09 PM, Buzby wrote:
> Ben Blaney wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 9:25:17 AM UTC-4, Buzby wrote:
>>
>>> This is mine at this years Kop Hill - looks OK from a distance!
>>> https://theberkeleys.co.uk/mo-kop.jpg
>>
>> Handsome. I'd quite like a pre-war car, but I find them quite
>> intimidating - partly based on the care and feeding, but also because
>> some of the controls are...unusual.
>
> If you want unusual, the Indian behind it has a left hand throttle,
> foot clutch and hand gear change. Apparently it's ok once you get used
> to it!
>
Jeezus! Talk about mind fuck. Imagine switching back and forth a couple
of times a day. In traffic situations.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 01/11/2021 17:25, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 05:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
> <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> The car is a 1924 Alvis 12/40 built in the latter part of 1923
>
>> Interesting. A friend has a 1932 Alvis Firefly
>> but there's something terminal wrong with the engine block, and there
>> simply aren't any replacements available
>
> I would have assumed that for things of that sort of age, you just
> have to find someone who csn make a replacement from new?
>

That's pretty much the case for obscure 30's motorcycles too.

The sought after models, but still around in significant numbers, have
surprising availability of parts that wear out. Anything else needs deep
pockets, unless you are a time served apprentice machinist with your own
lathe and access to a small scale foundry.

Amazing what can be done to resurrect a machine of sufficient historic
significance these days though.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 07:20:59 +0000, Pete Fisher
<peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>The sought after models, but still around in significant numbers, have
>surprising availability of parts that wear out. Anything else needs deep
>pockets, unless you are a time served apprentice machinist with your own
>lathe and access to a small scale foundry.
>
>Amazing what can be done to resurrect a machine of sufficient historic
>significance these days though.

There was a tiny loco in Wales that was rebuilt from a name plate, and
a brake lever.
--
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1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 07:48:14 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
<benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:

>Handsome. I'd quite like a pre-war car, but I find them quite
>intimidating - partly based on the care and feeding, but also
>because some of the controls are...unusual.

A friend of my FiL had an Alvis - ISTR the pedals are all in the wrong
place.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.