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 `* Re: Socialism starts...The Natural Philosopher
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   `* Re: Socialism starts...The Natural Philosopher
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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 11 May 2022 19:11 UTC

williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote

>> Thought native americans had no notion of land ownership.So couldn't
>> sell what they don't own?

> An infant or moron might have no notion of land ownership but could
> still be the legal owner of land.

But that wasnt the case with the red indians.

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:18 UTC

In article <je2es5Ff2cmU2@mid.individual.net>,
williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> On 10/05/2022 14:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > Thought native americans had no notion of land ownership. So couldn't sell
> > what they don't own?

> An infant or moron might have no notion of land ownership but could
> still be the legal owner of land.

In a country which had no legal system?

I do wonder about you sometimes, Bill.

--
*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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 by: #Paul - Wed, 18 May 2022 20:50 UTC

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <je2es5Ff2cmU2@mid.individual.net>,
> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>> On 10/05/2022 14:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> > Thought native americans had no notion of land ownership. So couldn't sell
>> > what they don't own?
>
>> An infant or moron might have no notion of land ownership but could
>> still be the legal owner of land.
>
> In a country which had no legal system?

Hmm. It seems very likely that the peoples living their own kinds
of systems for resolving disputes and establishing rights and duties;
so although they might not look like an "advanced" legal system of the
kind we enjoy, it would be quite unfair - and indeed an act of cultural
arrogance - to say they had no legal systems at all.

Furthermore, they would almost certainly have had views on who owned
the land - even if the answer was "everyone", "no one person", "the
chief", "not those other nearby tribes, that's for sure", or "the
giant space banana" (or other some more likely supernatural being).

And further to this point, just because someone might proclaim something
like "Terra Nullis", e.g.

https://australian.museum/learn/first-nations/unsettled/recognising-invasions/terra-nullius/

under a legal system they claimed to carry with them when they arrived
in some new-to-them place does not mean that that declaration has any force
or meaning under the legal or cultural systems of the people already
living there.

Of course, if you are sufficiently powerful you might indeed get
away with it, perhaps justifying it by some knowing fiction (or
perhaps genuine mistake resulting from cross-cultural confusion) by
(e.g.) paying the (claimed) "owner", that does not guarantee that
in any sense the claim is, was, or will ever be legal (in either your
foriegn & imported law, or the extant local one).

#Paul

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