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+* Re: Temporary electricity supply.N_Cook
|`- Re: Temporary electricity supply.Andrew
+- Re: Temporary electricity supply.Colin Bignell
+* Re: Temporary electricity supply.Robin
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Temporary electricity supply.

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Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 11:11:07 +0100
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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:11 UTC

Back story.
Next door neighbour is a widow near 90 living on her own. Very stubborn.
Was born in her house and wants to die in it. Totally housebound and won't
have any visitors since Covid. So haven't even spoken to her for a couple
of years. Sad, as we got on well enough. She has family who call in every
day, though.

Last week a pipe in the cellar split and flooded it - and next door's
cellar too. Daughter waded into the cellar to turn off the water and got a
bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E - but on the mend now.

Service suppliers cut off both the water and electricity. Insurance are
meant to be pumping out the water, but nothing done as yet.

Son in law has been keeping me updated. When he said the power was off, I
ran a cable reel to their kitchen from my house (fed from an MCBO
protected ring) So at least she can watch TV - the only thing she does
now. And a table light and the microwave. So she can have hot drinks and
meals. Using bottled water, etc. Her cooker is electric, but does have a
gas fire in the kitchen which works.

She refuses to go in a home of any sort. Her kids simply don't have room
for her - and she is adamant she doesn't want to live with either of them
anyway (I'm told) One of the daughters has lost patience and hardly ever
calls.

The pipe should be easy enough to fix once the cellar is dry enough.

The electrics I know to be a total loss - all the lighting is pre-WW2, but
a ring was added by her husband in the 60s. And she isn't willing to pay
for a re-wire or put up with the disruption it would cause. A quote one of
the kids got was 12K.

Is it possible to get a temporary supply laid on? If only the ring was
connected to it that would be good enough for now.

She has agreed to move to a smaller place if one can be found nearby. And
sell the house to pay for it. But I reckon something needs to be done
sooner to make life bearable until then - ie just the same for her as it
has been for the past two years. As moving is likely not going to be done
quickly.

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 by: N_Cook - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:18 UTC

On 12/05/2022 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Back story.
> Next door neighbour is a widow near 90 living on her own. Very stubborn.
> Was born in her house and wants to die in it. Totally housebound and won't
> have any visitors since Covid. So haven't even spoken to her for a couple
> of years. Sad, as we got on well enough. She has family who call in every
> day, though.
>
> Last week a pipe in the cellar split and flooded it - and next door's
> cellar too. Daughter waded into the cellar to turn off the water and got a
> bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E - but on the mend now.
>
> Service suppliers cut off both the water and electricity. Insurance are
> meant to be pumping out the water, but nothing done as yet.
>
> Son in law has been keeping me updated. When he said the power was off, I
> ran a cable reel to their kitchen from my house (fed from an MCBO
> protected ring) So at least she can watch TV - the only thing she does
> now. And a table light and the microwave. So she can have hot drinks and
> meals. Using bottled water, etc. Her cooker is electric, but does have a
> gas fire in the kitchen which works.
>
> She refuses to go in a home of any sort. Her kids simply don't have room
> for her - and she is adamant she doesn't want to live with either of them
> anyway (I'm told) One of the daughters has lost patience and hardly ever
> calls.
>
> The pipe should be easy enough to fix once the cellar is dry enough.
>
> The electrics I know to be a total loss - all the lighting is pre-WW2, but
> a ring was added by her husband in the 60s. And she isn't willing to pay
> for a re-wire or put up with the disruption it would cause. A quote one of
> the kids got was 12K.
>
> Is it possible to get a temporary supply laid on? If only the ring was
> connected to it that would be good enough for now.
>
> She has agreed to move to a smaller place if one can be found nearby. And
> sell the house to pay for it. But I reckon something needs to be done
> sooner to make life bearable until then - ie just the same for her as it
> has been for the past two years. As moving is likely not going to be done
> quickly.
>

Any space for a caravan or even mobile home (don't tell the social ), it
was ok for Alan Bennet's lady in the van

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Re: Temporary electricity supply.

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 by: Colin Bignell - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:37 UTC

On 12/05/2022 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Back story.
> Next door neighbour is a widow near 90 living on her own. Very stubborn.
> Was born in her house and wants to die in it. Totally housebound and won't
> have any visitors since Covid. So haven't even spoken to her for a couple
> of years. Sad, as we got on well enough. She has family who call in every
> day, though.
>
> Last week a pipe in the cellar split and flooded it - and next door's
> cellar too. Daughter waded into the cellar to turn off the water and got a
> bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E - but on the mend now.
>
> Service suppliers cut off both the water and electricity. Insurance are
> meant to be pumping out the water, but nothing done as yet.
>
> Son in law has been keeping me updated. When he said the power was off, I
> ran a cable reel to their kitchen from my house (fed from an MCBO
> protected ring) So at least she can watch TV - the only thing she does
> now. And a table light and the microwave. So she can have hot drinks and
> meals. Using bottled water, etc. Her cooker is electric, but does have a
> gas fire in the kitchen which works.
>
> She refuses to go in a home of any sort. Her kids simply don't have room
> for her - and she is adamant she doesn't want to live with either of them
> anyway (I'm told) One of the daughters has lost patience and hardly ever
> calls.
>
> The pipe should be easy enough to fix once the cellar is dry enough.
>
> The electrics I know to be a total loss - all the lighting is pre-WW2, but
> a ring was added by her husband in the 60s. And she isn't willing to pay
> for a re-wire or put up with the disruption it would cause. A quote one of
> the kids got was 12K.
>
> Is it possible to get a temporary supply laid on? If only the ring was
> connected to it that would be good enough for now.

It wouldn't have been when I worked for an Electricity Board, if the
wiring was deemed to be unsafe and I suspect we were a lot more
accommodating than they are today.

In any case, if the water in the basement was live, the ring is probably
out of action until that is pumped out. Do you know any firemen?

>
> She has agreed to move to a smaller place if one can be found nearby. And
> sell the house to pay for it. But I reckon something needs to be done
> sooner to make life bearable until then - ie just the same for her as it
> has been for the past two years. As moving is likely not going to be done
> quickly.
>

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Robin - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:42 UTC

On 12/05/2022 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Back story.
> Next door neighbour is a widow near 90 living on her own. Very stubborn.
> Was born in her house and wants to die in it. Totally housebound and won't
> have any visitors since Covid. So haven't even spoken to her for a couple
> of years. Sad, as we got on well enough. She has family who call in every
> day, though.
>
> Last week a pipe in the cellar split and flooded it - and next door's
> cellar too. Daughter waded into the cellar to turn off the water and got a
> bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E - but on the mend now.
>
> Service suppliers cut off both the water and electricity. Insurance are
> meant to be pumping out the water, but nothing done as yet.
>
> Son in law has been keeping me updated. When he said the power was off, I
> ran a cable reel to their kitchen from my house (fed from an MCBO
> protected ring) So at least she can watch TV - the only thing she does
> now. And a table light and the microwave. So she can have hot drinks and
> meals. Using bottled water, etc. Her cooker is electric, but does have a
> gas fire in the kitchen which works.
>
> She refuses to go in a home of any sort. Her kids simply don't have room
> for her - and she is adamant she doesn't want to live with either of them
> anyway (I'm told) One of the daughters has lost patience and hardly ever
> calls.
>
> The pipe should be easy enough to fix once the cellar is dry enough.
>
> The electrics I know to be a total loss - all the lighting is pre-WW2, but
> a ring was added by her husband in the 60s. And she isn't willing to pay
> for a re-wire or put up with the disruption it would cause. A quote one of
> the kids got was 12K.
>
> Is it possible to get a temporary supply laid on? If only the ring was
> connected to it that would be good enough for now.
>
> She has agreed to move to a smaller place if one can be found nearby. And
> sell the house to pay for it. But I reckon something needs to be done
> sooner to make life bearable until then - ie just the same for her as it
> has been for the past two years. As moving is likely not going to be done
> quickly.
>

immediate thoughts:

1. I'd have done what you did but can't see how anyone with an eye to
their professional liability would dare leave her with anything other
than a temporary CU covering ring plus lighting, with main bonding and
all. If the incomer is in the cellar and under water what's that? A
temporary sub-main from next door?

2. she and you swap houses. A change is as good as a rest so it's
win-win :)

3. sometimes old people are more inclined to listen to someone official.
E.g. GP or social services (but good luck getting the latter to even
answer the phone).

--
Robin
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 by: Theo - Thu, 12 May 2022 11:19 UTC

Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
> 1. I'd have done what you did but can't see how anyone with an eye to
> their professional liability would dare leave her with anything other
> than a temporary CU covering ring plus lighting, with main bonding and
> all. If the incomer is in the cellar and under water what's that? A
> temporary sub-main from next door?

I wonder if someone could do a minimalist install. A basic CU at ground
floor level, wiring all surface clipped. Would need some holes drilling to
go between rooms but otherwise no attempt at tidy cable running. Then it
just leaves the issue of the incoming feed, which could be from your CU
(with meter) until such time as the supplier can sort something out. Or a
generator perhaps.

(I viewed a house like that - the owner had attempted a DIY refurb and got
themselves in too deep. I think this was their 'temporary' solution)

> 2. she and you swap houses. A change is as good as a rest so it's
> win-win :)

Just think of it as a source of many new DIY projects :)

Theo

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Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Back story.
> Next door neighbour is a widow near 90 living on her own. Very stubborn.
> Was born in her house and wants to die in it.

My mum (96) was in her own flat until December last year. Determined that
was where she wanted to be and to enable this, we had organised live-in
carers for the last two years. She clearly wasn’t happy but this was she
said she wanted. Resisted any suggestion that she was ready for a home.

Last December she ended up in hospital and we took the opportunity to get
her discharged to a home, ostensibly as an interim measure until she was
fit to return home.

Well, she’s happier and healthier in the care home than she’s been in a
very long time and hasn’t asked about returning to her flat once.

To be honest, I not sure if there are any transferable lessons to be drawn
from this other than perhaps that fear of change outweighs any rational
thought about any possible benefits from a change.

Even with hindsight, I don’t think we could have moved my mother sooner,
even though it could have saved her months/years of loneliness. In your
neighbours case it sound like it’ll take a similar crisis to precipitate a
move away from her home.

housebound and won't
> have any visitors since Covid. So haven't even spoken to her for a couple
> of years. Sad, as we got on well enough. She has family who call in every
> day, though.
>
> Last week a pipe in the cellar split and flooded it - and next door's
> cellar too. Daughter waded into the cellar to turn off the water and got a
> bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E - but on the mend now.
>
> Service suppliers cut off both the water and electricity. Insurance are
> meant to be pumping out the water, but nothing done as yet.
>
> Son in law has been keeping me updated. When he said the power was off, I
> ran a cable reel to their kitchen from my house (fed from an MCBO
> protected ring) So at least she can watch TV - the only thing she does
> now. And a table light and the microwave. So she can have hot drinks and
> meals. Using bottled water, etc. Her cooker is electric, but does have a
> gas fire in the kitchen which works.
>
> She refuses to go in a home of any sort. Her kids simply don't have room
> for her - and she is adamant she doesn't want to live with either of them
> anyway (I'm told) One of the daughters has lost patience and hardly ever
> calls.
>
> The pipe should be easy enough to fix once the cellar is dry enough.
>
> The electrics I know to be a total loss - all the lighting is pre-WW2, but
> a ring was added by her husband in the 60s. And she isn't willing to pay
> for a re-wire or put up with the disruption it would cause. A quote one of
> the kids got was 12K.
>
> Is it possible to get a temporary supply laid on? If only the ring was
> connected to it that would be good enough for now.

Well if it was my mother I’d cobble something together but you’d be on very
shoogly ground legally doing it for anyone else. I suppose a professional
sparky could perhaps legally make the wiring “safe” by disconnecting
everything pre-WW2 and checking the ring to see if it meets minimum
standards. I’m sure Adam can advise.

>
> She has agreed to move to a smaller place if one can be found nearby. And
> sell the house to pay for it. But I reckon something needs to be done
> sooner to make life bearable until then - ie just the same for her as it
> has been for the past two years. As moving is likely not going to be done
> quickly.
>

Not being family I’m not sure that there’s much you can do other than to
keep in touch with her and make sure she’s okay.

Tim

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 by: Andrew - Thu, 12 May 2022 14:14 UTC

On 12/05/2022 11:18, N_Cook wrote:

> Any space for a caravan or even mobile home (don't tell the social ), it
> was ok for Alan Bennet's lady in the van
>
>

This is SouthWest LOndon, and probably a terraced house that even in
its current condition would have buyers fighting to buy, and pay
silly money that would buy a really nice place further away from
London.

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 by: Andrew - Thu, 12 May 2022 14:19 UTC

On 12/05/2022 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> The electrics I know to be a total loss - all the lighting is pre-WW2, but
> a ring was added by her husband in the 60s. And she isn't willing to pay
> for a re-wire or put up with the disruption it would cause. A quote one of
> the kids got was 12K.
>

But this is London, so take that quote with the usual dose of salt.

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 by: ARW - Thu, 12 May 2022 18:04 UTC

On 12/05/2022 12:19, Theo wrote:
> Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>> 1. I'd have done what you did but can't see how anyone with an eye to
>> their professional liability would dare leave her with anything other
>> than a temporary CU covering ring plus lighting, with main bonding and
>> all. If the incomer is in the cellar and under water what's that? A
>> temporary sub-main from next door?
>
> I wonder if someone could do a minimalist install. A basic CU at ground
> floor level, wiring all surface clipped. Would need some holes drilling to
> go between rooms but otherwise no attempt at tidy cable running. Then it
> just leaves the issue of the incoming feed, which could be from your CU
> (with meter) until such time as the supplier can sort something out. Or a
> generator perhaps.
>
> (I viewed a house like that - the owner had attempted a DIY refurb and got
> themselves in too deep. I think this was their 'temporary' solution)

I once did something the same but with trunking.

The electricity co will take no time to swap the cutout once the cellar
is pumped out.

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 by: Robin - Thu, 12 May 2022 19:47 UTC

On 12/05/2022 19:04, ARW wrote:
<snip>
>
> The electricity co will take no time to swap the cutout once the cellar
> is pumped out.
>

Which prompts a question for Dave: was the meter flooded and if so is
her supplier on notice to get it replaced?

That's based on my assumption that even in such cases UK Power Networks
will do everything up to and including the meter board but not the meter
itself.

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 by: lacksey - Thu, 12 May 2022 19:58 UTC

On Thu, 12 May 2022 21:40:38 +1000, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>> Back story.
>> Next door neighbour is a widow near 90 living on her own. Very stubborn.
>> Was born in her house and wants to die in it.
>
> My mum (96) was in her own flat until December last year. Determined
> that
> was where she wanted to be and to enable this, we had organised live-in
> carers for the last two years. She clearly wasn’t happy but this was she
> said she wanted. Resisted any suggestion that she was ready for a home.
>
> Last December she ended up in hospital and we took the opportunity to get
> her discharged to a home, ostensibly as an interim measure until she was
> fit to return home.
>
> Well, she’s happier and healthier in the care home than she’s been in a
> very long time and hasn’t asked about returning to her flat once.

But it is silly to assume that everyone would react the same way.

> To be honest, I not sure if there are any transferable lessons to be
> drawn
> from this other than perhaps that fear of change outweighs any rational
> thought about any possible benefits from a change.
>
> Even with hindsight, I don’t think we could have moved my mother sooner,
> even though it could have saved her months/years of loneliness. In your
> neighbours case it sound like it’ll take a similar crisis to precipitate
> a
> move away from her home.
>
> housebound and won't
>> have any visitors since Covid. So haven't even spoken to her for a
>> couple
>> of years. Sad, as we got on well enough. She has family who call in
>> every
>> day, though.
>>
>> Last week a pipe in the cellar split and flooded it - and next door's
>> cellar too. Daughter waded into the cellar to turn off the water and
>> got a
>> bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E - but on the mend now.
>>
>> Service suppliers cut off both the water and electricity. Insurance are
>> meant to be pumping out the water, but nothing done as yet.
>>
>> Son in law has been keeping me updated. When he said the power was off,
>> I
>> ran a cable reel to their kitchen from my house (fed from an MCBO
>> protected ring) So at least she can watch TV - the only thing she does
>> now. And a table light and the microwave. So she can have hot drinks and
>> meals. Using bottled water, etc. Her cooker is electric, but does have a
>> gas fire in the kitchen which works.
>>
>> She refuses to go in a home of any sort. Her kids simply don't have room
>> for her - and she is adamant she doesn't want to live with either of
>> them
>> anyway (I'm told) One of the daughters has lost patience and hardly ever
>> calls.
>>
>> The pipe should be easy enough to fix once the cellar is dry enough.
>>
>> The electrics I know to be a total loss - all the lighting is pre-WW2,
>> but
>> a ring was added by her husband in the 60s. And she isn't willing to pay
>> for a re-wire or put up with the disruption it would cause. A quote one
>> of
>> the kids got was 12K.
>>
>> Is it possible to get a temporary supply laid on? If only the ring was
>> connected to it that would be good enough for now.
>
> Well if it was my mother I’d cobble something together but you’d be on
> very
> shoogly ground legally doing it for anyone else. I suppose a
> professional
> sparky could perhaps legally make the wiring “safe” by disconnecting
> everything pre-WW2 and checking the ring to see if it meets minimum
> standards. I’m sure Adam can advise.
>
>>
>> She has agreed to move to a smaller place if one can be found nearby.
>> And
>> sell the house to pay for it. But I reckon something needs to be done
>> sooner to make life bearable until then - ie just the same for her as it
>> has been for the past two years. As moving is likely not going to be
>> done
>> quickly.
>>
>
> Not being family I’m not sure that there’s much you can do other than to
> keep in touch with her and make sure she’s okay.
>
> Tim

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lacksey <lki567@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 21:40:38 +1000, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Back story.
>>> Next door neighbour is a widow near 90 living on her own. Very stubborn.
>>> Was born in her house and wants to die in it.
>>
>> My mum (96) was in her own flat until December last year. Determined
>> that
>> was where she wanted to be and to enable this, we had organised live-in
>> carers for the last two years. She clearly wasn’t happy but this was she
>> said she wanted. Resisted any suggestion that she was ready for a home.
>>
>> Last December she ended up in hospital and we took the opportunity to get
>> her discharged to a home, ostensibly as an interim measure until she was
>> fit to return home.
>>
>> Well, she’s happier and healthier in the care home than she’s been in a
>> very long time and hasn’t asked about returning to her flat once.
>
> But it is silly to assume that everyone would react the same way.

See below. I never suggested that everyone would. Still, your reading
skills were never your strong point Wodney.

>
>> To be honest, I not sure if there are any transferable lessons to be
>> drawn
>> from this other than perhaps that fear of change outweighs any rational
>> thought about any possible benefits from a change.
>>
>> Even with hindsight, I don’t think we could have moved my mother sooner,
>> even though it could have saved her months/years of loneliness. In your
>> neighbours case it sound like it’ll take a similar crisis to precipitate
>> a
>> move away from her home.

<plonk>

Tim

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 by: Animal - Thu, 12 May 2022 21:13 UTC

On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 11:11:18 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Back story.
> Next door neighbour is a widow near 90 living on her own. Very stubborn.
> Was born in her house and wants to die in it. Totally housebound and won't
> have any visitors since Covid. So haven't even spoken to her for a couple
> of years. Sad, as we got on well enough. She has family who call in every
> day, though.
>
> Last week a pipe in the cellar split and flooded it - and next door's
> cellar too. Daughter waded into the cellar to turn off the water and got a
> bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E - but on the mend now.
>
> Service suppliers cut off both the water and electricity. Insurance are
> meant to be pumping out the water, but nothing done as yet.
>
> Son in law has been keeping me updated. When he said the power was off, I
> ran a cable reel to their kitchen from my house (fed from an MCBO
> protected ring) So at least she can watch TV - the only thing she does
> now. And a table light and the microwave. So she can have hot drinks and
> meals. Using bottled water, etc. Her cooker is electric, but does have a
> gas fire in the kitchen which works.
>
> She refuses to go in a home of any sort. Her kids simply don't have room
> for her - and she is adamant she doesn't want to live with either of them
> anyway (I'm told) One of the daughters has lost patience and hardly ever
> calls.
>
> The pipe should be easy enough to fix once the cellar is dry enough.
>
> The electrics I know to be a total loss - all the lighting is pre-WW2, but
> a ring was added by her husband in the 60s. And she isn't willing to pay
> for a re-wire or put up with the disruption it would cause. A quote one of
> the kids got was 12K.
>
> Is it possible to get a temporary supply laid on? If only the ring was
> connected to it that would be good enough for now.
>
> She has agreed to move to a smaller place if one can be found nearby. And
> sell the house to pay for it. But I reckon something needs to be done
> sooner to make life bearable until then - ie just the same for her as it
> has been for the past two years. As moving is likely not going to be done
> quickly.

12k is nuts, unless it's a real large house.
To reconnect supply the install only has to be 'safe'. A minimal install is not too much work, maybe a double socket per room, and preferably 1 light, all surface, plus CH feed.

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 by: Theo - Thu, 12 May 2022 21:46 UTC

ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I once did something the same but with trunking.
>
> The electricity co will take no time to swap the cutout once the cellar
> is pumped out.

If it were me I'd be tempted to find a location on the ground floor exterior
for a meter box, with a CU inside somewhere nearby. Maybe the insurance
would pay?

But I think you're right that the incomer is probably OK once dried out and
the DNO will fit a new meter board and cutout. So you don't need a new
incomer. It's not like flooding is a regular occurrence here, where it
might be advisable to move it.

I forget the regs, is there any issue with having the meter somewhere
distant from the cutout, assuming suitably robust cable? For example if the
householder can't get down the stairs into the cellar any more, could it be
moved to the ground floor next to a new CU? A smart meter shouldn't need to
be accessible for meter readers in person, but sometimes suppliers still ask
for readings (eg when changing supplier).

Either way, a new CU inside plus a few sockets with surface wiring would be
a lot cheaper than a full rewire. Might have to do something about
lighting, but maybe a few wall lights?

Theo

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 by: Mark Carver - Fri, 13 May 2022 08:51 UTC

On 12/05/2022 20:47, Robin wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 19:04, ARW wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> The electricity co will take no time to swap the cutout once the
>> cellar is pumped out.
>>
>
> Which prompts a question for Dave: was the meter flooded and if so is
> her supplier on notice to get it replaced?
>
> That's based on my assumption that even in such cases UK Power
> Networks will do everything up to and including the meter board but
> not the meter itself.
>
The meters are no longer owned by the DNOs, it's the energy suppliers
now (and if the same 'company' as the DNO, then it's the retail arm, and
not the 'network' arm you need to talk to)

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 by: Robin - Fri, 13 May 2022 09:22 UTC

On 13/05/2022 09:51, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 20:47, Robin wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 19:04, ARW wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> The electricity co will take no time to swap the cutout once the
>>> cellar is pumped out.
>>>
>>
>> Which prompts a question for Dave: was the meter flooded and if so is
>> her supplier on notice to get it replaced?
>>
>> That's based on my assumption that even in such cases UK Power
>> Networks will do everything up to and including the meter board but
>> not the meter itself.
>>
> The meters are no longer owned by the DNOs, it's the energy suppliers
> now (and if the same 'company' as the DNO, then it's the retail arm, and
> not the 'network' arm you need to talk to)

As a general rule, yes, but I just wondered if DNOs had authority to
install a temporary meter in emergencies - possibly at a price to the
user - prompted by the way suppliers cannot arbitrarily refuse to let
customers provide their own meters.

--
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 by: Theo - Fri, 13 May 2022 09:23 UTC

Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 20:47, Robin wrote:
> > Which prompts a question for Dave: was the meter flooded and if so is
> > her supplier on notice to get it replaced?
> >
> > That's based on my assumption that even in such cases UK Power
> > Networks will do everything up to and including the meter board but
> > not the meter itself.
> >
> The meters are no longer owned by the DNOs, it's the energy suppliers
> now (and if the same 'company' as the DNO, then it's the retail arm, and
> not the 'network' arm you need to talk to)

I think that was Robin's point. The DNO will furnish you with a new meter
board and cutout, but presumably won't wire anything past the cutout since
that's the energy supplier's responsibility. Which leaves you without a
working supply until your supplier can visit to install a new meter.

I contacted the late unlamented Symbio about doing something (non-emergency)
to my meter and they replied about three weeks later. So wouldn't have held
out much hope of them attending in a timely manner.

I'm not sure if there's anyone who takes charge here, or is the 90 year old
supposed to coordinate between supplier and DNO?

Theo

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 by: SH - Fri, 13 May 2022 10:25 UTC

On 13/05/2022 10:23, Theo wrote:
> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 20:47, Robin wrote:
>>> Which prompts a question for Dave: was the meter flooded and if so is
>>> her supplier on notice to get it replaced?
>>>
>>> That's based on my assumption that even in such cases UK Power
>>> Networks will do everything up to and including the meter board but
>>> not the meter itself.
>>>
>> The meters are no longer owned by the DNOs, it's the energy suppliers
>> now (and if the same 'company' as the DNO, then it's the retail arm, and
>> not the 'network' arm you need to talk to)
>
> I think that was Robin's point. The DNO will furnish you with a new meter
> board and cutout, but presumably won't wire anything past the cutout since
> that's the energy supplier's responsibility. Which leaves you without a
> working supply until your supplier can visit to install a new meter.
>
> I contacted the late unlamented Symbio about doing something (non-emergency)
> to my meter and they replied about three weeks later. So wouldn't have held
> out much hope of them attending in a timely manner.
>
> I'm not sure if there's anyone who takes charge here, or is the 90 year old
> supposed to coordinate between supplier and DNO?
>
> Theo

might be worth waving the "vulnerable customer" card on the grounds of
her senior citizen status to get a priority appointment?

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 by: Colin Bignell - Fri, 13 May 2022 10:41 UTC

On 13/05/2022 11:25, SH wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 10:23, Theo wrote:
>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 12/05/2022 20:47, Robin wrote:
>>>> Which prompts a question for Dave: was the meter flooded and if so is
>>>> her supplier on notice to get it replaced?
>>>>
>>>> That's based on my assumption that even in such cases UK Power
>>>> Networks will do everything up to and including the meter board but
>>>> not the meter itself.
>>>>
>>> The meters are no longer owned by the DNOs, it's the energy suppliers
>>> now (and if the same 'company' as the DNO, then it's the retail arm, and
>>> not the 'network' arm you need to talk to)
>>
>> I think that was Robin's point.  The DNO will furnish you with a new
>> meter
>> board and cutout, but presumably won't wire anything past the cutout
>> since
>> that's the energy supplier's responsibility.  Which leaves you without a
>> working supply until your supplier can visit to install a new meter.
>>
>> I contacted the late unlamented Symbio about doing something
>> (non-emergency)
>> to my meter and they replied about three weeks later.  So wouldn't
>> have held
>> out much hope of them attending in a timely manner.
>>
>> I'm not sure if there's anyone who takes charge here, or is the 90
>> year old
>> supposed to coordinate between supplier and DNO?
>>
>> Theo
>
>
> might be worth waving the "vulnerable customer" card on the grounds of
> her senior citizen status to get a priority appointment?

I would be talking to the local media by now. A human interest story, if
ever there was one.

--
Colin Bignell

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 by: Robin - Fri, 13 May 2022 12:29 UTC

On 13/05/2022 11:41, Colin Bignell wrote:
>
> I would be talking to the local media by now. A human interest story, if
> ever there was one.
>

Although the full story may be less interesting - e.g. if the insurance
company said straight away they would pay for her to move into a decent
hotel until the cellar was pumped and power restored.

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 by: Theo - Fri, 13 May 2022 12:58 UTC

Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 11:41, Colin Bignell wrote:
> >
> > I would be talking to the local media by now. A human interest story, if
> > ever there was one.
> >
>
> Although the full story may be less interesting - e.g. if the insurance
> company said straight away they would pay for her to move into a decent
> hotel until the cellar was pumped and power restored.

Yes, it does depend rather what they asked for and what was offered. If the
resident insisted on staying, despite the place being unsanitary, there's
not much the insurance can do. Or the resident said they could handle it
themselves and didn't want to involve the insurance.

Unfortunately handling this kind of thing does require being on the ball
about making the phone calls etc, and that is something a 90 year may not
cope with. It sounds like one of the daughters is on the case so that's
good (although perhaps not if they were in hospital), but if they weren't
I'm not sure there is somebody who will automatically take charge of
managing a case like that. Maybe Social Services or similar? Somebody
would have to contact them in the first place though.

(Having dealt with a case like this, there's a whole patchwork of insurance
assessors, claims handling companies, approved contractors for cleanups, etc
etc, which makes it a quite complicated job to sort out. They are not
proactive, you have to phone them up and pester them. And it may not be
the case that the insurance will pay all the costs upfront, they might
expect you to pay and then claim back later - which is difficult if you have
no spare cash)

At the end of the day, if the resident is unwilling it can be very difficult
for people to help.

Theo

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 by: Animal - Fri, 13 May 2022 13:00 UTC

On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 13:58:23 UTC+1, Theo wrote:
> Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
> > On 13/05/2022 11:41, Colin Bignell wrote:
> > >
> > > I would be talking to the local media by now. A human interest story, if
> > > ever there was one.
> > >
> >
> > Although the full story may be less interesting - e.g. if the insurance
> > company said straight away they would pay for her to move into a decent
> > hotel until the cellar was pumped and power restored.
> Yes, it does depend rather what they asked for and what was offered. If the
> resident insisted on staying, despite the place being unsanitary, there's
> not much the insurance can do. Or the resident said they could handle it
> themselves and didn't want to involve the insurance.
>
> Unfortunately handling this kind of thing does require being on the ball
> about making the phone calls etc, and that is something a 90 year may not
> cope with. It sounds like one of the daughters is on the case so that's
> good (although perhaps not if they were in hospital), but if they weren't
> I'm not sure there is somebody who will automatically take charge of
> managing a case like that. Maybe Social Services or similar? Somebody
> would have to contact them in the first place though.
>
> (Having dealt with a case like this, there's a whole patchwork of insurance
> assessors, claims handling companies, approved contractors for cleanups, etc
> etc, which makes it a quite complicated job to sort out. They are not
> proactive, you have to phone them up and pester them. And it may not be
> the case that the insurance will pay all the costs upfront, they might
> expect you to pay and then claim back later - which is difficult if you have
> no spare cash)
>
> At the end of the day, if the resident is unwilling it can be very difficult
> for people to help.
>
> Theo

A minimal temporary safe install would make the rest of the process far easier. A few sockets downstairs would be enough to get the power back on.

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Fri, 13 May 2022 13:25 UTC

In article <d5a2b32d-38c8-c742-943a-794045aaa6a0@outlook.com>,
Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 11:41, Colin Bignell wrote:
> >
> > I would be talking to the local media by now. A human interest story, if
> > ever there was one.
> >

> Although the full story may be less interesting - e.g. if the insurance
> company said straight away they would pay for her to move into a decent
> hotel until the cellar was pumped and power restored.

Yes they did. She refused.

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Fri, 13 May 2022 13:52 UTC

Just a general answer based on my memory. Several years ago I installed
for her an extra 13 amp socket and a phone outlet for a DECT phone.

I don't think the cable, riser, meter or fuse boxes were under water. They
are all close to the cellar ceiling, and the water didn't get that high.
if it had, it would have been impossible to get to the internal stopcock.

As I remember it, the ring was likely 50s or 60s. Those rather nasty
surface mount MK sockets. But PVC wiring. Earthed only to the incoming
water main. A 30 amp fuse switch via a Henlec block. And another for the
cooker.

I'd say they would pass tests (except for the earth)

What I was hoping for would be a way to re-connect them and not the
lighting. She more or less lives in the kitchen/breakfast room which has a
cloakroom attached. At the moment that loo is still flushing from the
header tank. But likely not for much longer. She hasn't been able to get
upstairs for a couple of years now.

There's some disagreement within the family about the best way forward.
All I'm trying to get help with is to get the best for my neighbour who is
to put it bluntly, stubborn. But part of her charm. And suggest, if asked.

A story about that stubbornness.

The garden wall between us is mine. Original, and made from cast concrete.
About a meter high between the gardens (and that was in excellent
condition) but twice that height between the houses - for privacy. And the
high part poor. I had it rebuilt (with new foundations) in blockwork and
rendered to match the existing. She wouldn't allow the workmen in to
render her side. Never said why. But of course her side of the wall now
looks distinctly odd.

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 by: Theo - Fri, 13 May 2022 14:20 UTC

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Just a general answer based on my memory. Several years ago I installed
> for her an extra 13 amp socket and a phone outlet for a DECT phone.
>
> I don't think the cable, riser, meter or fuse boxes were under water. They
> are all close to the cellar ceiling, and the water didn't get that high.
> if it had, it would have been impossible to get to the internal stopcock.

Presumably there was some outlet in the cellar, which is how the water
became live? And without an RCD it stayed that way?

> As I remember it, the ring was likely 50s or 60s. Those rather nasty
> surface mount MK sockets. But PVC wiring. Earthed only to the incoming
> water main. A 30 amp fuse switch via a Henlec block. And another for the
> cooker.

So no consumer unit at all, those things connected straight off Henley
blocks from the meter?

> I'd say they would pass tests (except for the earth)
>
> What I was hoping for would be a way to re-connect them and not the
> lighting. She more or less lives in the kitchen/breakfast room which has a
> cloakroom attached. At the moment that loo is still flushing from the
> header tank. But likely not for much longer. She hasn't been able to get
> upstairs for a couple of years now.

If the supply is good and the ring would pass tests, a basic CU with a
single MCB+RCD or RCBO way wouldn't seem complicated. The earthing would need
sorting out, but perhaps there's an earth off the incomer? If there is only
an earth rod, perhaps the DNO could convert it to PME when they come to
refit the cutout?

If the cooker wiring isn't good, run a new wire in surface trunking.
Likewise for the lighting. Total three RCBOs, £25 each. Probably another
£50 for a cheapo CU and a main switch.

I'd imagine around here the work would be sub £1000 depending on the cable
runs and other fiddliness - although I'm not familiar with London prices.

If they get a sparky in, they can do the work and coordinate with the DNO to
reconnect once everything is safe.

Theo

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