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 by: Paul - Sat, 14 May 2022 04:02 UTC

On 5/13/2022 10:26 PM, Paul wrote:

>
> Summary: You *can* go back to Windows.
>          But you need friends to do it :-)
>          Lots of friends.
>
>    Paul

If the machine is a Dell, the Heidoc tool has a Dell section now.

That Dell section gives access to machine-specific OS images (which
activate automatically using SLIC or MSDN). If you lost your
Dell recovery partition, you might be able to get the materials.
It's not likely the collection is complete (as downgrade rights
were for business class laptops).

This tool requires constant attention (similar to Youtube-DL in a sense),
and the last update of the tool is 2021.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technology-science/microsoft/67-microsoft-windows-and-office-iso-download-tool

For regular (retail) media for doing reinstalls, the Heidoc tool
was using rotated license keys to trick TechBench with. And this
stopped working, for various reasons, some time ago. That's
why, from a non-Dell point of view, the Heidoc may be less useful
to people seeking a more general purpose reinstall media.

During the good days of Heidoc, you could have obtained Win7 media
with little fuss. Microsoft won't let Dell users download a
regular Win7 media. Heidoc solved the problem, by pretending the
user was a "retail/system builder" person seeking media. But the more
useful options don't work any more. Leaving a bonus only for
Dell users. The Dell option is only something created more recently
(last year or two).

And that's the nature of download sources... always looking
in the rear view mirror.

Sometimes, sites like archive.org have them, inadvertently.
You can sometimes find them on Google Drive accounts,
until they figure it out (which should be instantly, but
isn't always the case).

There are some resources, I won't advertise unless the conditions
are right. The walls have ears, and I've lost some good materials
in the past because of "over-promotion". For some items, it's
just better for a seeker to find them on their own, and vet
the materials with MDL hashes.

The MSDN Subscription service used to have a nice table of
hashes (and Torrents provide the materials with a matching hash).
Microsoft eventually figured this out, and hid all the hashes.
The hashes weren't typically strong enough for purpose,
so in the longer term scheme of things, it was probably
a good idea to hide them. To improve the quality of hash
checks. Microsoft didn't go back and re-compute SHA256 for
all their subscription materials. That would have taken
all of ten minutes work (edit script, push button).

But I'm not bitter about the inability to download stuff.

Paul

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 by: wasbit - Sat, 14 May 2022 08:51 UTC

"Animal" <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5425758-9f5f-46f1-8727-66e4adaa7f64n@googlegroups.com...
> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 20:43:55 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Animal wrote:
>>
>> > It boots up but barely works. 95% cpu use & 1.7G RAM at idle do not
>> > make a usable machine.
>> Has it sat unused for a long time? It might be psyching itself up for a
>> big
>> windows update, have you left it to its own thing for a few hours,
>> antivirus/antimalware might also be trying to upgrade
>
> It did sit a long time unused. It has no net connection now.
> Seems to me the only sane option is to go Mint. So... what are the odds of
> that not working? cos if it doesn't, I can't go back to windows. All
> windows are truly rotten, just glad I showed them the door.

Oh yes you can.
Windows 10 has a digital licence so you can reinstall with impunity on the
same hardware & it will self activate.

W10 Media Creation Tool gives you the options to download & mount the ISO or
burn it to a DVD (ISO may be too large) or run from a USB pen drive.
- https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

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 by: wasbit - Sat, 14 May 2022 08:58 UTC

"wasbit" <wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Animal" <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e5425758-9f5f-46f1-8727-66e4adaa7f64n@googlegroups.com...
>> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 20:43:55 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Animal wrote:
>>>
>>> > It boots up but barely works. 95% cpu use & 1.7G RAM at idle do not
>>> > make a usable machine.
>>> Has it sat unused for a long time? It might be psyching itself up for a
>>> big
>>> windows update, have you left it to its own thing for a few hours,
>>> antivirus/antimalware might also be trying to upgrade
>>
>> It did sit a long time unused. It has no net connection now.
>> Seems to me the only sane option is to go Mint. So... what are the odds
>> of that not working? cos if it doesn't, I can't go back to windows. All
>> windows are truly rotten, just glad I showed them the door.
>
> Oh yes you can.
> Windows 10 has a digital licence so you can reinstall with impunity on the
> same hardware & it will self activate.
>
> W10 Media Creation Tool gives you the options to download & mount the ISO
> or burn it to a DVD (ISO may be too large) or run from a USB pen drive.
> - https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10
>

John Rumm posted the same info further down the thread.

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 by: wasbit - Sat, 14 May 2022 09:01 UTC

"Martin Brown" <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>snip <
> You may be able to extract the magic registration code with a suitable
> tool but if it is one of the later ones that requires a registration
> server to be running and it isn't any more then you are stuck.
>

Don't need to. Windows 10 has a digital licence & will authenticate on the
same hardware.

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 by: Adrian Caspersz - Sat, 14 May 2022 10:00 UTC

On 14/05/2022 03:05, Paul wrote:
> On 5/13/2022 11:34 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> to have two cores or four cores to improve responsiveness.
>
> The SSD helps. But it cannot make a winner from
> a bad CPU.
>

Yup, A 'modern' single core machine with less than 2GB sounds like a
netbook to me. We have been withheld the model & make, so that's a guess.

The performance of those was not the best, and typically the OS was a
cut down install. Microsoft released a 'starter' edition of both XP & 7
for them to push off Linux having any success on that platform.

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 by: Adrian Caspersz - Sat, 14 May 2022 10:03 UTC

On 14/05/2022 11:00, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 03:05, Paul wrote:

> The performance of those was not the best, and typically the OS was a
> cut down install. Microsoft released a 'starter' edition of both XP & 7
> for them to push off Linux having any success on that platform.
>

Ah, reading up it's got 3GB... maybe not then,

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 by: Tim Lamb - Sat, 14 May 2022 10:31 UTC

In message <je9d3mFp0isU2@mid.individual.net>, Adrian Caspersz
<email@here.invalid> writes
>On 14/05/2022 11:00, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>> On 14/05/2022 03:05, Paul wrote:
>
>> The performance of those was not the best, and typically the OS was a
>>cut down install. Microsoft released a 'starter' edition of both XP &
>>7 for them to push off Linux having any success on that platform.
>>
>
>Ah, reading up it's got 3GB... maybe not then,

This thread has reminded me I'm user not a geek!
>

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 14 May 2022 10:48 UTC

On 13/05/2022 20:43, Andy Burns wrote:
> Animal wrote:
>
>> It boots up but barely works. 95% cpu use & 1.7G RAM at idle do not
>> make a usable machine.
>
> Has it sat unused for a long time?   It might be psyching itself up for
> a big windows update, have you left it to its own thing for a few hours,
> antivirus/antimalware might also be trying to upgrade

A friend left his windows system idle for ever because it was doing
this. When I switched it on it took 11 hours to download and virus scan
his email from BTs IMAP servers. In that time it was essentially
unresponsive.

--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 14 May 2022 10:56 UTC

On 14/05/2022 11:03, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 11:00, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>> On 14/05/2022 03:05, Paul wrote:
>
>> The performance of those was not the best, and typically the OS was a
>> cut down install. Microsoft released a 'starter' edition of both XP &
>> 7 for them to push off Linux having any success on that platform.
>>
>
> Ah, reading up it's got 3GB... maybe not then,
>
3GB is enough to run Linux and a couple of browser tabs and an email
program, but if you want to *concurrently* have other stuff going you
will need fast swap on an SSD.

My linux desktop here - MINT 20 MATE - shows this running thunderbird
and firefox (4 tabs) only.

free -m
total used free shared
buff/cache available
Mem: 7837 2247 1395 282 4193
5009
Swap: 2047 0 2047

so its about 3 GB plus cache. But with an SSD running out of cache isnt
so bad, and with an SSD having stuff in swap isn't so bad. Will wear the
disk out faster but it will probably outlast the rest of the machine
anyway.,

I did get a 1GB noteboook to run Mint, but it was dire. 2 GB minimum,
4GB fine for nearly everything, 8GB for power users and techno nerds.

This machine loses 3GB when I fire up winXP in a VM, so it needs its 8GB

--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

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 by: John Rumm - Sat, 14 May 2022 12:03 UTC

On 13/05/2022 22:18, Ian Jackson wrote:
> In message <t5ln13$d79$1@dont-email.me>, Pancho
> <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> writes
>> On 13/05/2022 13:58, Animal wrote:
>>> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 13:47:49 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Animal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Got a laptop to sort out, not sure where to ask for windows advice.
>>>>> The
>>>>> relevant comp groups look dead.
>>>> They might have sprung into life if you'd posted there.
>>>>> I'll ask here, some may know what to do. Modern but single core
>>>>> laptop, hw
>>>>> specs are more than enough. Win version? I've yet to find out. I
>>>>> haven't used
>>>>> win for many years. It's clearly post-xp.
>>>>>
>>>>> History unknown & we have none of the passwords. System idles at
>>>>> almost 100%
>>>>> cpu, 1.7G ram. Biggest hogs are Antivirus (don't recognise the logo),
>>>>> antimalware (no idea whose), "service host: local system (17)", and
>>>>> there's
>>>>> various other junk I'd remove. Problem is everything's locked down.
>>>>>
>>>>> I couldn't find any way within win to uninstall, disable or delete
>>>>> anything.
>>>>> I put the hdd in a linux machine to delete stuff, but even with admin
>>>>> privileges not a thing is deletable. Don't have a copy of win for a
>>>>> clean
>>>>> install.
>>>
>>>> I suspect the windows file system wasn't shut down cleanly, and
>>>> that's why linux
>>>> has mounted it read-only
>>>  aha, can sort that.
>>>
>>>>> How do I move forward here?
>>>> I suspect you'll need to provide better info to get sensible answers
>>>  sure, I don't know what info yet
>>>
>>>> does it have a Windows hologram sticker on the machine?
>>>  Yes, it's worn and gives no clue which win version. The product key
>>> on it gave no google hits.
>>>  The win logo onscreen looks very close to the win 10 one.
>>>
>>
>> I replaced a failed SSD in an old laptop with a second hand SSD from a
>> different machine which was running Win10.
>>
>> I booted it up with little expectation. Everything just worked, and
>> has continued to work ever since.
>>
> With W10 (and I think W8) you seem to be able to swap the hard drive
> from another machine - and if you want, change the activation key to
> that pertaining to the recipient.

If MS have a record of the machine being activated for Win 10, then it
will let you run win 10 on it - it does not seem to care if the version
of win 10 you run was originally installed on that machine.

The OS is also much better at coping with hardware platform changes on
the fly.

--
Cheers,

John.

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 by: John Rumm - Sat, 14 May 2022 12:09 UTC

On 14/05/2022 03:26, Paul wrote:
> On 5/13/2022 8:31 PM, Animal wrote:
>> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 20:43:55 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Animal wrote:
>>>
>>>> It boots up but barely works. 95% cpu use & 1.7G RAM at idle do not
>>>> make a usable machine.
>>> Has it sat unused for a long time? It might be psyching itself up for
>>> a big
>>> windows update, have you left it to its own thing for a few hours,
>>> antivirus/antimalware might also be trying to upgrade
>>
>> It did sit a long time unused. It has no net connection now.
>> Seems to me the only sane option is to go Mint. So... what are the
>> odds of that not working? cos if it doesn't, I can't go back to
>> windows. All windows are truly rotten, just glad I showed them the door.
>>
>
> You can get Win10 or Win11 media.

Yup, download direct from MS here:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

(you will need to provide your own blank dvd or flash drive)

> Summary: You *can* go back to Windows.
>          But you need friends to do it :-)
>          Lots of friends.

If (as it seems from later posts) it has had win 10 running, then going
for a complete fresh install is almost trivial. Create flash drive, boot
machine, custom install, delete existing partitions, let it get on with it.

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John.

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 by: Martin Brown - Sat, 14 May 2022 13:16 UTC

On 14/05/2022 11:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 20:43, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Animal wrote:
>>
>>> It boots up but barely works. 95% cpu use & 1.7G RAM at idle do not
>>> make a usable machine.
>>
>> Has it sat unused for a long time?   It might be psyching itself up
>> for a big windows update, have you left it to its own thing for a few
>> hours, antivirus/antimalware might also be trying to upgrade
>
> A friend left his windows system idle for ever because it was doing
> this. When I switched it on it took 11 hours to download and virus scan
> his email from BTs IMAP servers. In that time it was essentially
> unresponsive.

If it is as claimed Win10 with so little memory and a modest internet
connection then it is quite possible that the thing is working
"normally". Even on fibre Win10 major updates are pretty tedious!

It would be worth leaving it connected to the net for 48 hours and see
if things improve. It would help to know which tasks were absorbing so
much CPU. I have seen race conditions in browsers with stupid scripts do
this. There appears to be such a script fault on the BBC news site right
now if you use Samsung's default browser on Android and don't log in.

Mickeysoft assumes everyone is on gigabit internet now so if you aren't
then you will suffer for it. Win10 is a bandwidth hog in all respects.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Sat, 14 May 2022 14:03 UTC

In article <t5ln13$d79$1@dont-email.me>,
Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
> I replaced a failed SSD in an old laptop with a second hand SSD from a
> different machine which was running Win10.

> I booted it up with little expectation. Everything just worked, and has
> continued to work ever since.

Hasn't it complained about Windows being on a different machine? Although
you can usually activate it afterwards.

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On 14/05/2022 in message <59e87ccfdcdave@davenoise.co.uk> Dave Plowman
(News) wrote:

>In article <t5ln13$d79$1@dont-email.me>,
> Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
>>I replaced a failed SSD in an old laptop with a second hand SSD from a
>>different machine which was running Win10.
>
>>I booted it up with little expectation. Everything just worked, and has
>>continued to work ever since.
>
>Hasn't it complained about Windows being on a different machine? Although
>you can usually activate it afterwards.

I haven't seen a public announcement but it seems MSFT now allows
installation/use of Win 10 with no product key.You can't personalise the
looks but I'm sure somebody will come up with an answer to that :-)

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
That's an amazing invention but who would ever want to use one of them?
(President Hayes speaking to Alexander Graham Bell on the invention of the
telephone)

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 by: Paul - Sun, 15 May 2022 02:10 UTC

On 5/14/2022 9:16 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 11:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 13/05/2022 20:43, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Animal wrote:
>>>
>>>> It boots up but barely works. 95% cpu use & 1.7G RAM at idle do not make a usable machine.
>>>
>>> Has it sat unused for a long time?   It might be psyching itself up for a big windows update, have you left it to its own thing for a few hours, antivirus/antimalware might also be trying to upgrade
>>
>> A friend left his windows system idle for ever because it was doing this. When I switched it on it took 11 hours to download and virus scan his email from BTs IMAP servers. In that time it was essentially unresponsive.
>
> If it is as claimed Win10 with so little memory and a modest internet connection then it is quite possible that the thing is working "normally". Even on fibre Win10 major updates are pretty tedious!
>
> It would be worth leaving it connected to the net for 48 hours and see if things improve. It would help to know which tasks were absorbing so much CPU. I have seen race conditions in browsers with stupid scripts do this. There appears to be such a script fault on the BBC news site right now if you use Samsung's default browser on Android and don't log in.
>
> Mickeysoft assumes everyone is on gigabit internet now so if you aren't then you will suffer for it. Win10 is a bandwidth hog in all respects.
>

What we know is, it's a single core CPU and (maybe) 3GB of RAM.

In a newsgroup environment, the audience can comment on certain
aspects of the job, but the OP ultimately does the work.
In the best traditions of DIY.

If the OP can find a "friend" who can dig in and make progress,
then that would be the better option in this case.

Shops are useless for reconditioning old equipment, because
they'll charge a small fortune for an OS reinstall, and they
will use their best "factory processing smash and grab" approach
to the problem. Pave over the users home directory and so on.

So unless the OP develops inspiration, this is really
a job for a friend at the moment.

I have a single core laptop. Equivalent horsepower to an
AthlonXP at 2200MHz (it's better than that processor, but
the description isn't far off). Has 3GB of SODIMMs installed.
Similar in many ways to the OPs situation. I've had W7 on it,
W10 on it. I use the laptop to operate a webcam, when examining wiring
in crawl spaces or ceilings, that sort of thing. Using the
machine for Firefox sessions would be painful. (You could
do it, but you would not be enjoying yourself.)

I have a Firefox 52ESR on this machine, which is a little bit
lighter on resources than a Firefox 100. It's still not 100%
savvy when it comes to websites (some stuff doesn't work right,
such as sites that want to "know your location").

At one time, you could make an unqualified statement that
"Linux can pave over this". But that's not true today,
as newer hardware fares better than old hardware will.
DKMS being part of the problem, and kernel ranges
for the DKMS that is on offer. The GPU acceleration
mania is what makes Linux less friendly now (who wants
to run their screen at non-native resolution?). Puppy
or Fatdog could be made to work, but then that's not
exactly mainstream. (You need mainstream, so that if
you ask a question about a setup, someone has a
ready answer for you.)

Paul

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On 5/14/2022 6:56 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 11:03, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>> On 14/05/2022 11:00, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2022 03:05, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> The performance of those was not the best, and typically the OS was a cut down install. Microsoft released a 'starter' edition of both XP & 7 for them to push off Linux having any success on that platform.
>>>
>>
>> Ah, reading up it's got 3GB... maybe not then,
>>
> 3GB is enough to run Linux and a couple of browser tabs and an email program, but if you want to *concurrently* have other stuff going you will need fast swap on an SSD.
>
> My linux desktop here - MINT 20 MATE - shows this running thunderbird and firefox (4 tabs) only.
>
> free -m
>                     total          used        free      shared buff/cache   available
> Mem:           7837        2247        1395         282        4193    5009
> Swap:          2047           0        2047
>
> so its  about 3 GB plus cache. But with an SSD running out of cache isnt so bad, and with an SSD having stuff in swap isn't so bad. Will wear the disk out faster but it will probably outlast the rest of the machine anyway.,
>
> I did get a 1GB noteboook to run Mint, but it was dire. 2 GB minimum, 4GB fine for nearly everything, 8GB for power users and techno nerds.
>
> This machine loses 3GB when I fire up winXP in a VM, so it needs its 8GB
>
>

inxi -G ???

For that is the question.

Sure, it's got *a* CPU and *some* RAM.

For Linux, the graphics support is key.

*******

Installing Mint Mate 20.3 on the laptop. V120 2.2GHz. HD4250 gpu.

Has used 142MB of Swap already, when it is equipped with 3GB of RAM.
While it is installing. (After a reboot and installing software
updates, its table manners improved and it stopped dipping into swap.)

Install time to Intel 545 SSD = 36 minutes

Boot time - 50 seconds

*******

Now, the performance report (aka suitability)

As installed from media, it used 5.4.0-91 kernel. After software update,
kernel version bumped to 5.4.0-110. 5.4 kernels available until April 2025 or so.

driver: ati,radeon <=== presumably accelerated, but... lets check

Bullwinkle@MINTM203:~$ inxi -F
System: Host: MINTM203 Kernel: 5.4.0-91-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.26.0
Distro: Linux Mint 20.3 Una
Machine: Type: Laptop System: Acer product: Aspire 5251 v: V1.06 serial: <superuser/root required>
Mobo: Acer model: Aspire 5251 v: V1.06 serial: <superuser/root required> BIOS: Acer v: 1.06
date: 06/01/2010
Battery: ID-1: BAT1 charge: 28.6 Wh condition: 46.9/47.5 Wh (99%)
CPU: Topology: Single Core model: AMD V120 bits: 64 type: UP L2 cache: 512 KiB
Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 800/2200 MHz Core speed (MHz): 1: 800
Graphics: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250] driver: radeon
v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: ati,radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa
resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: AMD RS880 (DRM 2.50.0 / 5.4.0-91-generic LLVM 12.0.0) v: 3.3 Mesa 21.0.3
Audio: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS880 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4200 Series]
driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.4.0-91-generic
Network: Device-1: Broadcom and subsidiaries NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 70:5a:b6:fd:80:b9
Device-2: Broadcom and subsidiaries BCM43225 802.11b/g/n driver: wl
IF: wlp8s0 state: dormant mac: 78:e4:00:f5:59:39
Drives: Local Storage: total: 476.94 GiB used: 6.90 GiB (1.4%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Intel model: SSDSC2KW512G8 size: 476.94 GiB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 31.83 GiB used: 6.90 GiB (21.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
ID-2: swap-1 size: 976.0 MiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 55.4 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Info: Processes: 163 Uptime: 2m Memory: 2.67 GiB used: 532.8 MiB (19.5%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.38

bullwinkle@MINTM203:~$ vblank_mode=0 glxgears
ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment.
6535 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1306.846 FPS
6729 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1345.738 FPS
6806 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1361.162 FPS
6789 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1357.727 FPS
6622 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1324.070 FPS
6783 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1356.596 FPS <=== this is a good result for such old cruft
I have other test results that hit 20,000.
Lower values (where CPU does all the work)
are easily possible.

Next, bump the kernel to 5.13 HWE kernel. The driver still seems to be in range.
Accelerated performance noted via test.

Bullwinkle@MINTM203:~$ inxi -F
System: Host: MINTM203 Kernel: 5.13.0-41-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.26.0
Distro: Linux Mint 20.3 Una
Machine: Type: Laptop System: Acer product: Aspire 5251 v: V1.06 serial: <superuser/root required>
Mobo: Acer model: Aspire 5251 v: V1.06 serial: <superuser/root required> BIOS: Acer v: 1.06
date: 06/01/2010
Battery: ID-1: BAT1 charge: 39.4 Wh condition: 46.9/47.5 Wh (99%)
CPU: Topology: Single Core model: AMD V120 bits: 64 type: UP L2 cache: 512 KiB
Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 800/2200 MHz Core speed (MHz): 1: 800
Graphics: Device-1: AMD RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250] driver: radeon v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 driver: ati,radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa
resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: AMD RS880 (DRM 2.50.0 / 5.13.0-41-generic LLVM 12.0.0) v: 3.3 Mesa 21.2.6
Audio: Device-1: AMD SBx00 Azalia driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: AMD RS880 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4200 Series] driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.13.0-41-generic
Network: Device-1: Broadcom and subsidiaries NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 70:5a:b6:fd:80:b9
Device-2: Broadcom and subsidiaries BCM43225 802.11b/g/n driver: wl
IF: wlp8s0 state: dormant mac: 78:e4:00:f5:59:39
Drives: Local Storage: total: 476.94 GiB used: 8.49 GiB (1.8%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Intel model: SSDSC2KW512G8 size: 476.94 GiB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 31.83 GiB used: 8.49 GiB (26.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
ID-2: swap-1 size: 976.0 MiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 56.4 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Info: Processes: 171 Uptime: 1m Memory: 2.66 GiB used: 523.3 MiB (19.2%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.38

bullwinkle@MINTM203:~$ vblank_mode=0 glxgears
ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment.
6456 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1291.174 FPS
6525 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1304.977 FPS
6536 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1307.168 FPS <=== still a good result
6400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1279.937 FPS
6234 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1246.057 FPS
5586 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1116.886 FPS

Firefox 100 tested, performance acceptable.
Didn't even hit on the swap partition, while visiting
a graphics-heavy news site .

Conclusion: A pass in this case. Many times when I do this, the
results are not as good (Ubuntu).

Paul

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On 5/15/2022 12:28 AM, Paul wrote:

> bullwinkle@MINTM203:~$ vblank_mode=0 glxgears
> ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment.
> 6456 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1291.174 FPS
> 6525 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1304.977 FPS
> 6536 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1307.168 FPS   <=== still a good result
> 6400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1279.937 FPS
> 6234 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1246.057 FPS
> 5586 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1116.886 FPS
>
> Firefox 100 tested, performance acceptable.
> Didn't even hit on the swap partition, while visiting
> a graphics-heavy news site .
>
> Conclusion: A pass in this case. Many times when I do this, the
>             results are not as good (Ubuntu).
>
>    Paul

Since the boot drive works on other hardware, here is the same
OS tested on newer kit. This is integrated graphics, not even
a separate video card.

driver: amdgpu,ati

bullwinkle@MINTM203:~$ inxi -F
System: Host: MINTM203 Kernel: 5.13.0-41-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.26.0 Distro: Linux Mint 20.3 Una
Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: Micro-Star model: MPG B550 GAMING PLUS (MS-7C56) v: 1.0 serial: <superuser/root required>
BIOS: American Megatrends LLC. v: 1.83 date: 09/24/2021
CPU: Topology: 6-Core model: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G with Radeon Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB
Speed: 1397 MHz min/max: 1400/4464 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1397 2: 1400 3: 1431 4: 1400 5: 1397 6: 1439 7: 1413
8: 1414 9: 1413 10: 1413 11: 1413 12: 1696
Graphics: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] driver: amdgpu v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 driver: amdgpu,ati unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1440x900~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.41.0 5.13.0-41-generic LLVM 12.0.0) v: 4.6 Mesa 21.2.6
Audio: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 17h HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.13.0-41-generic
Network: Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet driver: r8169
IF: enp42s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 2c:f0:5d:d9:f7:34
Drives: Local Storage: total: 476.94 GiB used: 8.51 GiB (1.8%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Intel model: SSDSC2KW512G8 size: 476.94 GiB
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ID-2: swap-1 size: 976.0 MiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1
Sensors: Message: No sensors data was found. Is sensors configured?
Info: Processes: 290 Uptime: N/A Memory: 58.76 GiB used: 695.6 MiB (1.2%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.38

bullwinkle@MINTM203:~$ vblank_mode=0 glxgears
ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment.
109740 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21947.855 FPS
107324 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21464.709 FPS
108703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21740.541 FPS <=== the test tends to be non-linear at the
112098 frames in 5.0 seconds = 22419.506 FPS 20000+ level, and it's hard to say exactly
110345 frames in 5.0 seconds = 22068.818 FPS how much higher this can go before an interrupt
limiter interferes.

And still, with web browsers, it might not be enough.

Paul

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On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 03:10:59 UTC+1, Paul wrote:
> On 5/14/2022 9:16 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
> > On 14/05/2022 11:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 13/05/2022 20:43, Andy Burns wrote:
> >>> Animal wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It boots up but barely works. 95% cpu use & 1.7G RAM at idle do not make a usable machine.
> >>>
> >>> Has it sat unused for a long time? It might be psyching itself up for a big windows update, have you left it to its own thing for a few hours, antivirus/antimalware might also be trying to upgrade
> >>
> >> A friend left his windows system idle for ever because it was doing this. When I switched it on it took 11 hours to download and virus scan his email from BTs IMAP servers. In that time it was essentially unresponsive.
> >
> > If it is as claimed Win10 with so little memory and a modest internet connection then it is quite possible that the thing is working "normally". Even on fibre Win10 major updates are pretty tedious!
> >
> > It would be worth leaving it connected to the net for 48 hours and see if things improve. It would help to know which tasks were absorbing so much CPU. I have seen race conditions in browsers with stupid scripts do this. There appears to be such a script fault on the BBC news site right now if you use Samsung's default browser on Android and don't log in.
> >
> > Mickeysoft assumes everyone is on gigabit internet now so if you aren't then you will suffer for it. Win10 is a bandwidth hog in all respects.
> >
> What we know is, it's a single core CPU and (maybe) 3GB of RAM.
>
> In a newsgroup environment, the audience can comment on certain
> aspects of the job, but the OP ultimately does the work.
> In the best traditions of DIY.
>
> If the OP can find a "friend" who can dig in and make progress,
> then that would be the better option in this case.
>
> Shops are useless for reconditioning old equipment, because
> they'll charge a small fortune for an OS reinstall, and they
> will use their best "factory processing smash and grab" approach
> to the problem. Pave over the users home directory and so on.
>
> So unless the OP develops inspiration, this is really
> a job for a friend at the moment.
>
> I have a single core laptop. Equivalent horsepower to an
> AthlonXP at 2200MHz (it's better than that processor, but
> the description isn't far off). Has 3GB of SODIMMs installed.
> Similar in many ways to the OPs situation. I've had W7 on it,
> W10 on it. I use the laptop to operate a webcam, when examining wiring
> in crawl spaces or ceilings, that sort of thing. Using the
> machine for Firefox sessions would be painful. (You could
> do it, but you would not be enjoying yourself.)
>
> I have a Firefox 52ESR on this machine, which is a little bit
> lighter on resources than a Firefox 100. It's still not 100%
> savvy when it comes to websites (some stuff doesn't work right,
> such as sites that want to "know your location").
>
> At one time, you could make an unqualified statement that
> "Linux can pave over this". But that's not true today,
> as newer hardware fares better than old hardware will.
> DKMS being part of the problem, and kernel ranges
> for the DKMS that is on offer. The GPU acceleration
> mania is what makes Linux less friendly now (who wants
> to run their screen at non-native resolution?). Puppy
> or Fatdog could be made to work, but then that's not
> exactly mainstream. (You need mainstream, so that if
> you ask a question about a setup, someone has a
> ready answer for you.)
>
> Paul

Years ago I ran a browser with lots of tabs & much more on win 98 with 32M ram, 200MHz cpu and an old HDD for swap. By picking the right software it ran fine (other than the usual 98 instability). If you can't get decent performance from 3G & 2GHz you're just running the wrong software.

Is it possible to drop win 10 or some linux onto the hdd without using external media, such that it will install from its own hdd? That's an approach I've not done before. Or could I use an external usb hdd while there's no OS on the internal hdd?

At this point, the present win 10 install seems too problematic to try to repair. (Even if fixed it would leave problems.)

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 by: Paul - Sun, 15 May 2022 22:37 UTC

On 5/15/2022 5:39 PM, Animal wrote:

>
> Years ago I ran a browser with lots of tabs & much more on win 98 with 32M ram, 200MHz cpu and an old HDD for swap. By picking the right software it ran fine (other than the usual 98 instability). If you can't get decent performance from 3G & 2GHz you're just running the wrong software.
>
> Is it possible to drop win 10 or some linux onto the hdd without using external media, such that it will install from its own hdd? That's an approach I've not done before. Or could I use an external usb hdd while there's no OS on the internal hdd?
>
> At this point, the present win 10 install seems too problematic to try to repair. (Even if fixed it would leave problems.)
>

HTML and the web, started in the "CERN era", where the web wasn't
used for tracking people, and the protocol was there to share
information with the user. Naturally, this does not take a lot
of horsepower. No Javascript back then. Just straight HTML.

The web is laden with unnecessary detail now. The browsers are
a joke (a case study in "badness").

*******

You can do a Repair Install on Win10, by using an ISO file (3.5GB or so)
and mounting the ISO as a virtual optical drive (right-click the ISO
and select "Mount" from the menu -- Windows 11 makes this more convoluted).
Then running "Setup.exe" from the top level of the mount. Repair Install
does not clean up enough for your usage. AV remnants galore. But that
is an example of "not needing physical media".

There is also "Reset" option.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4130-reset-windows-10-a.html

There was also a flavor of Reset where you prepared a USB stick
at some point, and it would reinstall whatever was captured on
the stick. I tried to build one of those, but it kinda sucked.
A backup image of a known-good OS works better than that.

The question with that stuff, is "does it work this week".

If you download Windows (even using your decrepit installation
presently running on the machine), you can store the 3.5GB of
installer on a USB2 stick. MediaCreationTool.exe is offered
when you download Windows from a sufficiently modern Windows
machine, and it offers to make DVD, USB stick, or just save to ISO.
Offer a USB stick, where you don't care about the fileset
currently on the stick. Win10 comes in 32 bit and 64 bit
versions, and you have to decide at some point, which
one you want.

C:\Program Files # 32 bit version only has the one Program Files

C:\Program Files # If there are two Program File folders, then
C:\Program Files (x86) # it's the 64 bit version currently on C:

Blowing away "free Win10 offering" and installing a clean one,
is not that hard to do. Since the license key is stored in the
cloud, you don't even need Magic Jelly Bean and write down the key.

If you need to keep personal files and programs, that can be
a lot harder to manage. But "nuke and pave" does not take
a lot of planning. Making a backup of the decrepit but
still minimally working image currently on there, would be
in case it's the only computer you've got.

If you wanted the key (even the 3V66T bogus key), you could
try Nirsoft ProduKey, but ProduKey also doubles as a check
that the AV is working, as Microsoft has arbitrarily classed
that as "Hackerware", as if hackerware is a bad thing :-)

If your AV is working, then doing a download from the bottom
of this page, will likely result in it being quarantined or
deleted. A third-party AV likely won't be that harsh (as
it is not a virus, it just annoys Microsoft is all).

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Paul

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 by: Animal - Sun, 15 May 2022 23:42 UTC

On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 23:37:45 UTC+1, Paul wrote:
> On 5/15/2022 5:39 PM, Animal wrote:
>
> >
> > Years ago I ran a browser with lots of tabs & much more on win 98 with 32M ram, 200MHz cpu and an old HDD for swap. By picking the right software it ran fine (other than the usual 98 instability). If you can't get decent performance from 3G & 2GHz you're just running the wrong software.
> >
> > Is it possible to drop win 10 or some linux onto the hdd without using external media, such that it will install from its own hdd? That's an approach I've not done before. Or could I use an external usb hdd while there's no OS on the internal hdd?
> >
> > At this point, the present win 10 install seems too problematic to try to repair. (Even if fixed it would leave problems.)
> >
> HTML and the web, started in the "CERN era", where the web wasn't
> used for tracking people, and the protocol was there to share
> information with the user. Naturally, this does not take a lot
> of horsepower. No Javascript back then. Just straight HTML.
>
> The web is laden with unnecessary detail now. The browsers are
> a joke (a case study in "badness").
>
> *******
>
> You can do a Repair Install on Win10, by using an ISO file (3.5GB or so)
> and mounting the ISO as a virtual optical drive (right-click the ISO
> and select "Mount" from the menu -- Windows 11 makes this more convoluted).
> Then running "Setup.exe" from the top level of the mount. Repair Install
> does not clean up enough for your usage. AV remnants galore. But that
> is an example of "not needing physical media".
>
> There is also "Reset" option.
>
> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4130-reset-windows-10-a.html
>
> There was also a flavor of Reset where you prepared a USB stick
> at some point, and it would reinstall whatever was captured on
> the stick. I tried to build one of those, but it kinda sucked.
> A backup image of a known-good OS works better than that.
>
> The question with that stuff, is "does it work this week".
>
> If you download Windows (even using your decrepit installation
> presently running on the machine), you can store the 3.5GB of
> installer on a USB2 stick. MediaCreationTool.exe is offered
> when you download Windows from a sufficiently modern Windows
> machine, and it offers to make DVD, USB stick, or just save to ISO.
> Offer a USB stick, where you don't care about the fileset
> currently on the stick. Win10 comes in 32 bit and 64 bit
> versions, and you have to decide at some point, which
> one you want.
>
> C:\Program Files # 32 bit version only has the one Program Files
>
> C:\Program Files # If there are two Program File folders, then
> C:\Program Files (x86) # it's the 64 bit version currently on C:
>
> Blowing away "free Win10 offering" and installing a clean one,
> is not that hard to do. Since the license key is stored in the
> cloud, you don't even need Magic Jelly Bean and write down the key.
>
> If you need to keep personal files and programs, that can be
> a lot harder to manage. But "nuke and pave" does not take
> a lot of planning. Making a backup of the decrepit but
> still minimally working image currently on there, would be
> in case it's the only computer you've got.
>
> If you wanted the key (even the 3V66T bogus key), you could
> try Nirsoft ProduKey, but ProduKey also doubles as a check
> that the AV is working, as Microsoft has arbitrarily classed
> that as "Hackerware", as if hackerware is a bad thing :-)
>
> If your AV is working, then doing a download from the bottom
> of this page, will likely result in it being quarantined or
> deleted. A third-party AV likely won't be that harsh (as
> it is not a virus, it just annoys Microsoft is all).
>
> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html
>
> Paul

Wiping the current install out fully & linux are the only options I'm looking at for now. Not interested in preserving any of the garbage now on it.

I don't have usb sticks, but have plenty of usb interfaces + hdds (no laptop hdds tho).
The laptop hdd partitioning leaves half the disk unallocated, so want to fix that really. Whether Mint 19 can do that without messing it up I don't know.

Tell me if this would fly... If linux will do it I could add a small partition for the win 10 download, and replace the current OS partition with a bigger one using all remaining available space. Wipe the present win partition clean & boot up from the small partition. Presumably win 10 will handle the change of which partition is bootable?

Thank you

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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 16 May 2022 06:16 UTC

Animal wrote:

> Wiping the current install out fully & linux are the only options I'm looking
> at for now. Not interested in preserving any of the garbage now on it.

Then use the Windows Media Creation Tool to make a bootable USB stick, from that
remove the existing partitions and let it install, it'll find the machine in
MS's database and activate the old Win10 licence, job done.

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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 16 May 2022 06:22 UTC

Animal wrote:

> I don't have usb sticks

Push the boat out, get a 32GB USB3 for a fiver ...

<https://amazon.co.uk/SanDiskUSB/dp/B075KKCJGB>

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 by: Robin - Mon, 16 May 2022 07:33 UTC

On 16/05/2022 07:22, Andy Burns wrote:
> Animal wrote:
>
>> I don't have usb sticks
>
> Push the boat out, get a 32GB USB3 for a fiver ...
>

or a tenner if, despite Amazon's practices, you don't have Prime. May
be cheaper options locally - e.g. at ASDA.

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 by: Martin Brown - Mon, 16 May 2022 08:19 UTC

On 16/05/2022 00:42, Animal wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 23:37:45 UTC+1, Paul wrote:
>> On 5/15/2022 5:39 PM, Animal wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Years ago I ran a browser with lots of tabs & much more on win 98
>>> with 32M ram, 200MHz cpu and an old HDD for swap. By picking the
>>> right software it ran fine (other than the usual 98 instability).
>>> If you can't get decent performance from 3G & 2GHz you're just
>>> running the wrong software.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to drop win 10 or some linux onto the hdd without
>>> using external media, such that it will install from its own hdd?
>>> That's an approach I've not done before. Or could I use an
>>> external usb hdd while there's no OS on the internal hdd?
>>>
>>> At this point, the present win 10 install seems too problematic
>>> to try to repair. (Even if fixed it would leave problems.)
>>>
>> HTML and the web, started in the "CERN era", where the web wasn't
>> used for tracking people, and the protocol was there to share
>> information with the user. Naturally, this does not take a lot of
>> horsepower. No Javascript back then. Just straight HTML.
>>
>> The web is laden with unnecessary detail now. The browsers are a
>> joke (a case study in "badness").
>>
>> *******
>>
>> You can do a Repair Install on Win10, by using an ISO file (3.5GB
>> or so) and mounting the ISO as a virtual optical drive (right-click
>> the ISO and select "Mount" from the menu -- Windows 11 makes this
>> more convoluted). Then running "Setup.exe" from the top level of
>> the mount. Repair Install does not clean up enough for your usage.
>> AV remnants galore. But that is an example of "not needing physical
>> media".
>>
>> There is also "Reset" option.
>>
>> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4130-reset-windows-10-a.html
>>
>> There was also a flavor of Reset where you prepared a USB stick at
>> some point, and it would reinstall whatever was captured on the
>> stick. I tried to build one of those, but it kinda sucked. A backup
>> image of a known-good OS works better than that.
>>
>> The question with that stuff, is "does it work this week".

Repair from media usually works OK unless the system is very badly
corrupted. It won't fix "don't know the admin password" or have access
to the email account of the previous admin though.
>>
>> If you download Windows (even using your decrepit installation
>> presently running on the machine), you can store the 3.5GB of
>> installer on a USB2 stick. MediaCreationTool.exe is offered when
>> you download Windows from a sufficiently modern Windows machine,
>> and it offers to make DVD, USB stick, or just save to ISO. Offer a
>> USB stick, where you don't care about the fileset currently on the
>> stick. Win10 comes in 32 bit and 64 bit versions, and you have to
>> decide at some point, which one you want.
>>
>> C:\Program Files # 32 bit version only has the one Program Files
>>
>> C:\Program Files # If there are two Program File folders, then
>> C:\Program Files (x86) # it's the 64 bit version currently on C:
>>
>> Blowing away "free Win10 offering" and installing a clean one, is
>> not that hard to do. Since the license key is stored in the cloud,
>> you don't even need Magic Jelly Bean and write down the key.

My faith in such cloud based systems is somewhat lacking - particularly
if the OP no longer knows the password for the former admin account on
the machine. I don't believe the Mickeysoft servers will play unless you
log in with your MS account credentials first. He needs to rescue the
magic authenitcation code before he trashes anything.

And it would be a lot safer to bitwise copy what is there now onto a USB
stick are a backup in case the going gets really sticky.
>>
>> If you need to keep personal files and programs, that can be a lot
>> harder to manage. But "nuke and pave" does not take a lot of
>> planning. Making a backup of the decrepit but still minimally
>> working image currently on there, would be in case it's the only
>> computer you've got.
>>
>> If you wanted the key (even the 3V66T bogus key), you could try
>> Nirsoft ProduKey, but ProduKey also doubles as a check that the AV
>> is working, as Microsoft has arbitrarily classed that as
>> "Hackerware", as if hackerware is a bad thing :-)
>>
>> If your AV is working, then doing a download from the bottom of
>> this page, will likely result in it being quarantined or deleted. A
>> third-party AV likely won't be that harsh (as it is not a virus, it
>> just annoys Microsoft is all).
>>
>> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html
>>
>> Paul
>
> Wiping the current install out fully & linux are the only options I'm
> looking at for now. Not interested in preserving any of the garbage
> now on it.
>
> I don't have usb sticks, but have plenty of usb interfaces + hdds (no
> laptop hdds tho). The laptop hdd partitioning leaves half the disk
> unallocated, so want to fix that really. Whether Mint 19 can do that
> without messing it up I don't know.

You probably should invest in some then. They are perfect for using as
installation media on machines that today lack a CD/DVD drive.
>
> Tell me if this would fly... If linux will do it I could add a small
> partition for the win 10 download, and replace the current OS
> partition with a bigger one using all remaining available space. Wipe
> the present win partition clean & boot up from the small partition.
> Presumably win 10 will handle the change of which partition is
> bootable?

Do you have Win10 and a product key available?

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Regards,
Martin Brown

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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 16 May 2022 09:03 UTC

Martin Brown wrote:

> Paul wrote:
>
>> Blowing away "free Win10 offering" and installing a clean one, is
>> not that hard to do. Since the license key is stored in the cloud
>
> My faith in such cloud based systems is somewhat lacking - particularly if the
> OP no longer knows the password for the former admin account on the machine. I
> don't believe the Mickeysoft servers will play unless you log in with your MS
> account credentials first.

You need zero knowledge of any previous accounts or password, you don't have to
have a microsoft account, nothing needs to remain on the hard drive, the
installer gathers data (MAC address, serial numbers etc) from the hardware and
this is what the microsoft servers recognise for activation ... it works ... if
anything it's generous, rather than restrictive.

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