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Re: OT: shortage of boxes

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Subject: Re: OT: shortage of boxes
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 by: SH - Fri, 13 May 2022 11:34 UTC

On 13/05/2022 11:55, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 07:35, alan_m wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 19:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Well it appears you can now sell a damaged box for £105.
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Box-Only-Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-/224848627726
>>
>>
>> Don't miss out!!!! The same seller has more empty boxes for sale.
>>
>
> I must be sitting on a goldmine :-)
>

look at the bid history:

e***4 Feedback score (1)
£102.00
27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:52pm GMT

e***4 Feedback score (1)
£102.00
27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:42pm GMT

6***6 Feedback score (0)
£100.00
27 Feb 2022 at 12:01:16am GMT

e***4 Feedback score (1)
£96.00
27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:39pm GMT

e***4 Feedback score (1)
£90.00
27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:35pm GMT

e***4 Feedback score (1)
£72.00
27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:25pm GMT

e***4 Feedback score (1)
£60.00
27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:14pm GMT

Starting price
£7.99
21 Feb 2022 at 12:03:51am GMT

Starting price was £7.99 plus £2.90 P&P

Only two bidders, e***4 and 6***6 and they have feedback score of 1 and
0 respectively.

Can only assume newbie Ebayers not reading the description properly.... :-)

Looks like it got ended by the seller before the deadline or there was a
dispute where buyer refused to pay once they realised it was an empty
box and seller said, its Sold as described!

I've had to report ads were something was at a starting bid of 1p but
the P&P was £250!

Why would anyone pay £7.99 plus £2.90 P&P for a tatty empty box?

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Subject: Re: OT: shortage of boxes
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 by: Animal - Fri, 13 May 2022 12:45 UTC

On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 12:34:26 UTC+1, SH wrote:

> Why would anyone pay £7.99 plus £2.90 P&P for a tatty empty box?

standard money laundering scam

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 by: John Rumm - Fri, 13 May 2022 20:32 UTC

On 13/05/2022 12:34, SH wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 11:55, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 13/05/2022 07:35, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 12/05/2022 19:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Well it appears you can now sell a damaged box for £105.
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Box-Only-Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-/224848627726
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't miss out!!!! The same seller has more empty boxes for sale.
>>>
>>
>> I must be sitting on a goldmine :-)
>>
>
> look at the bid history:
>
> e***4 Feedback score (1)
> £102.00
> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:52pm GMT
>
> e***4 Feedback score (1)
> £102.00
> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:42pm GMT
>
> 6***6 Feedback score (0)
> £100.00
> 27 Feb 2022 at 12:01:16am GMT
>
> e***4 Feedback score (1)
> £96.00
> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:39pm GMT
>
> e***4 Feedback score (1)
> £90.00
> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:35pm GMT
>
> e***4 Feedback score (1)
> £72.00
> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:25pm GMT
>
> e***4 Feedback score (1)
> £60.00
> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:14pm GMT
>
> Starting price
> £7.99
> 21 Feb 2022 at 12:03:51am GMT
>
>
> Starting price was £7.99 plus £2.90 P&P
>
> Only two bidders, e***4 and 6***6 and they have feedback score of 1 and
> 0 respectively.
>
> Can only assume newbie Ebayers not reading the description properly.... :-)

More likely sock puppet accounts of the sellers trying to create
interest and competition in the pricing, hoping someone will nip in
quick for a bargain.

--
Cheers,

John.

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Subject: Re: OT: shortage of boxes
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 by: Animal - Sat, 14 May 2022 00:33 UTC

On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 21:32:42 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
> On 13/05/2022 12:34, SH wrote:
> > On 13/05/2022 11:55, Colin Bignell wrote:
> >> On 13/05/2022 07:35, alan_m wrote:
> >>> On 12/05/2022 19:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>> Well it appears you can now sell a damaged box for £105.
> >>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Box-Only-Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-/224848627726
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't miss out!!!! The same seller has more empty boxes for sale.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I must be sitting on a goldmine :-)
> >>
> >
> > look at the bid history:
> >
> > e***4 Feedback score (1)
> > £102.00
> > 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:52pm GMT
> >
> > e***4 Feedback score (1)
> > £102.00
> > 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:42pm GMT
> >
> > 6***6 Feedback score (0)
> > £100.00
> > 27 Feb 2022 at 12:01:16am GMT
> >
> > e***4 Feedback score (1)
> > £96.00
> > 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:39pm GMT
> >
> > e***4 Feedback score (1)
> > £90.00
> > 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:35pm GMT
> >
> > e***4 Feedback score (1)
> > £72.00
> > 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:25pm GMT
> >
> > e***4 Feedback score (1)
> > £60.00
> > 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:14pm GMT
> >
> > Starting price
> > £7.99
> > 21 Feb 2022 at 12:03:51am GMT
> >
> >
> > Starting price was £7.99 plus £2.90 P&P
> >
> > Only two bidders, e***4 and 6***6 and they have feedback score of 1 and
> > 0 respectively.
> >
> > Can only assume newbie Ebayers not reading the description properly.... :-)
> More likely sock puppet accounts of the sellers trying to create
> interest and competition in the pricing, hoping someone will nip in
> quick for a bargain.

Any sock puppet running an empty box up to £100 for that would have to be completely deluded. I don't think so.

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 by: John Rumm - Sat, 14 May 2022 12:01 UTC

On 14/05/2022 01:33, Animal wrote:
> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 21:32:42 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 13/05/2022 12:34, SH wrote:
>>> On 13/05/2022 11:55, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>> On 13/05/2022 07:35, alan_m wrote:
>>>>> On 12/05/2022 19:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Well it appears you can now sell a damaged box for £105.
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Box-Only-Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-/224848627726
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't miss out!!!! The same seller has more empty boxes for sale.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I must be sitting on a goldmine :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> look at the bid history:
>>>
>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>> £102.00
>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:52pm GMT
>>>
>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>> £102.00
>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:42pm GMT
>>>
>>> 6***6 Feedback score (0)
>>> £100.00
>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 12:01:16am GMT
>>>
>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>> £96.00
>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:39pm GMT
>>>
>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>> £90.00
>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:35pm GMT
>>>
>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>> £72.00
>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:25pm GMT
>>>
>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>> £60.00
>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:14pm GMT
>>>
>>> Starting price
>>> £7.99
>>> 21 Feb 2022 at 12:03:51am GMT
>>>
>>>
>>> Starting price was £7.99 plus £2.90 P&P
>>>
>>> Only two bidders, e***4 and 6***6 and they have feedback score of 1 and
>>> 0 respectively.
>>>
>>> Can only assume newbie Ebayers not reading the description properly.... :-)
>> More likely sock puppet accounts of the sellers trying to create
>> interest and competition in the pricing, hoping someone will nip in
>> quick for a bargain.
>
> Any sock puppet running an empty box up to £100 for that would have to be completely deluded. I don't think so.

It is fairly common with the "selling an empty box scam". If you are
searching for a GPU and a result comes up for an auction ending soon,
but there are no bids on it at all, you are going to pay more attention
and ask "why?". If however you search, see one ending in 1 min, with
lots of bids, but still at an "ok" price, then you might bid in a hurry
to get a bargain GPU without reading more carefully.

--
Cheers,

John.

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 by: Andrew - Sat, 14 May 2022 18:11 UTC

On 14/05/2022 13:01, John Rumm wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 01:33, Animal wrote:
>> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 21:32:42 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>>> On 13/05/2022 12:34, SH wrote:
>>>> On 13/05/2022 11:55, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 07:35, alan_m wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/05/2022 19:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> Well it appears you can now sell a damaged box for £105.
>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Box-Only-Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-/224848627726
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't miss out!!!! The same seller has more empty boxes for sale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I must be sitting on a goldmine :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> look at the bid history:
>>>>
>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>> £102.00
>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:52pm GMT
>>>>
>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>> £102.00
>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:42pm GMT
>>>>
>>>> 6***6 Feedback score (0)
>>>> £100.00
>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 12:01:16am GMT
>>>>
>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>> £96.00
>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:39pm GMT
>>>>
>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>> £90.00
>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:35pm GMT
>>>>
>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>> £72.00
>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:25pm GMT
>>>>
>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>> £60.00
>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:14pm GMT
>>>>
>>>> Starting price
>>>> £7.99
>>>> 21 Feb 2022 at 12:03:51am GMT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Starting price was £7.99 plus £2.90 P&P
>>>>
>>>> Only two bidders, e***4 and 6***6 and they have feedback score of 1 and
>>>> 0 respectively.
>>>>
>>>> Can only assume newbie Ebayers not reading the description
>>>> properly.... :-)
>>> More likely sock puppet accounts of the sellers trying to create
>>> interest and competition in the pricing, hoping someone will nip in
>>> quick for a bargain.
>>
>> Any sock puppet running an empty box up to £100 for that would have to
>> be completely deluded. I don't think so.
>
> It is fairly common with the "selling an empty box scam". If you are
> searching for a GPU and a result comes up for an auction ending soon,
> but there are no bids on it at all, you are going to pay more attention
> and ask "why?". If however you search, see one ending in 1 min, with
> lots of bids, but still at an "ok" price, then you might bid in a hurry
> to get a bargain GPU without reading more carefully.
>
>
>

Some bitcoins have lost 99% of their value in recent days so expect
a flood of 2nd hand well-thrashed GPU's on ebay (but remember the
post from Canada Paul about the bios reflashing issue).

Massive hikes in electricity prices must have changed the economics
of bitcoin 'mining' though.

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From: nos...@needed.invalid (Paul)
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Subject: Re: OT: shortage of boxes
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 18:04:01 -0400
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 by: Paul - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:04 UTC

On 5/14/2022 2:11 PM, Andrew wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 13:01, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 14/05/2022 01:33, Animal wrote:
>>> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 21:32:42 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>>>> On 13/05/2022 12:34, SH wrote:
>>>>> On 13/05/2022 11:55, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/05/2022 07:35, alan_m wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/05/2022 19:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well it appears you can now sell a damaged box for £105.
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Box-Only-Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-/224848627726
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't miss out!!!! The same seller has more empty boxes for sale.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must be sitting on a goldmine :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> look at the bid history:
>>>>>
>>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>>> £102.00
>>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:52pm GMT
>>>>>
>>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>>> £102.00
>>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:42pm GMT
>>>>>
>>>>> 6***6 Feedback score (0)
>>>>> £100.00
>>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 12:01:16am GMT
>>>>>
>>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>>> £96.00
>>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:39pm GMT
>>>>>
>>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>>> £90.00
>>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:35pm GMT
>>>>>
>>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>>> £72.00
>>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:25pm GMT
>>>>>
>>>>> e***4 Feedback score (1)
>>>>> £60.00
>>>>> 27 Feb 2022 at 9:49:14pm GMT
>>>>>
>>>>> Starting price
>>>>> £7.99
>>>>> 21 Feb 2022 at 12:03:51am GMT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Starting price was £7.99 plus £2.90 P&P
>>>>>
>>>>> Only two bidders, e***4 and 6***6 and they have feedback score of 1 and
>>>>> 0 respectively.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can only assume newbie Ebayers not reading the description properly.... :-)
>>>> More likely sock puppet accounts of the sellers trying to create
>>>> interest and competition in the pricing, hoping someone will nip in
>>>> quick for a bargain.
>>>
>>> Any sock puppet running an empty box up to £100 for that would have to be completely deluded. I don't think so.
>>
>> It is fairly common with the "selling an empty box scam". If you are searching for a GPU and a result comes up for an auction ending soon, but there are no bids on it at all, you are going to pay more attention and ask "why?". If however you search, see one ending in 1 min, with lots of bids, but still at an "ok" price, then you might bid in a hurry to get a bargain GPU without reading more carefully.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Some bitcoins have lost 99% of their value in recent days so expect
> a flood of 2nd hand well-thrashed GPU's on ebay (but remember the
> post from Canada Paul about the bios reflashing issue).
>
> Massive hikes in electricity prices must have changed the economics
> of bitcoin 'mining' though.

To decide when to stop mining coins, you need to
consult your spreadsheet that computes profit.

I thought it dropped below profitable, a couple
months ago for Bitcoin (depends on rig efficiency).

Although more than a few of the operators, are
sentimentalists and mine coins past when it makes
sense to mine them -- for speculative purpose.

That would be people with a couple GPU cards maybe,
not corporations sporting Intel mining rigs (the
latest thing, is Intel makes a rig for mining coins
and competes in the same space as BitMain).

If the coins fall in value today, you mine your butt off,
so when the price triples again, you can make
your profit from speculation rather than mining as such.

Or at least that's what you tell yourself, while
ignoring the spreadsheet you're supposed to be using.

You don't have to mine, to speculate. You can just
buy coins when you feel it's hit "rock bottom", and
ride the wave back up. To speculate, you don't need
a GPU or a BitMain/Intel box.

Like levitation, those coins just randomly ride back
up again, when "fundamentals" do not predict such.

Back in the old days, you would buy one Bitcoin (because
at the time it was worth $3), and then promptly forget
where you left it. Later, when it's worth $10000, you're
constantly looking about the room "is it under sofa cushion ?
Did I leave it in shed ?" and so on :-) You never get
to recoup your joke investment, because you
did not take care of it. Nobody wants to be reminded
of that Bitcoin they bought and lost.

Paul

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From: Andrew97...@mybtinternet.com (Andrew)
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Subject: Re: OT: shortage of boxes
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 15:29:10 +0100
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 by: Andrew - Mon, 16 May 2022 14:29 UTC

On 14/05/2022 23:04, Paul wrote:

> Back in the old days, you would buy one Bitcoin (because
> at the time it was worth $3), and then promptly forget
> where you left it. Later, when it's worth $10000, you're
> constantly looking about the room "is it under sofa cushion ?
> Did I leave it in shed ?" and so on :-) You never get
> to recoup your joke investment, because you
> did not take care of it. Nobody wants to be reminded
> of that Bitcoin they bought and lost.
>
>    Paul
>
>
>

There is chap who lives in ?South Wales who binned an old hard
drive many years ago, which held details of bitcoins that he
had allegedly bought when they were a few dollars each.

He even tried to persuade the local council to mine the
landfill site to search for it, in return for a percentage of
the bitcoin value. They declined to take on the risk.

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