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 by: Jethro_uk - Sat, 14 May 2022 18:18 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:17:30 +0100, alan_m wrote:

> On 14/05/2022 13:56, Jethro_uk wrote:
>
>> You can tell how much of this climate "emergency" is bollocks from the
>> fact that a rigidly enforced 65mph limit on motorways would save the UK
>> quite a bit in fuel consumption. (Although not as much as not
>> travelling at all).
>
> I guess that a lot of people who think they are doing 70mph are actually
> doing 63 to 65mph because most speedometers read 10% high.
>
> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorway journey is possibly a
> higher risk than speed.

All of which pales into insignificance when compared to the oncoming
climate catastrophe (c).

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 by: Andrew - Sat, 14 May 2022 18:38 UTC

On 14/05/2022 13:48, alan_m wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 12:29, NY wrote:
>
>> It's possible that the car used for the record had a less powerful
>> engine (if that makes it more efficient) and I couldn't find any
>> mention of whether the drivers had a lower self-imposed maximum speed
>> to use less fuel. Maybe they only did each leg of the journey on a day
>> that the wind was predominantly behind them ;-)
>>
>
> Or all unnecessary weight removed from the vehicle. No spare wheel, no
> luggage, no back seat etc.
>
>

And car manufacturers used to tape over all the body seams and door
aperatures the past to get the best fuel consumption.

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 by: alan_m - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:40 UTC

On 14/05/2022 19:18, Jethro_uk wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:17:30 +0100, alan_m wrote:
>
>> On 14/05/2022 13:56, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>
>>> You can tell how much of this climate "emergency" is bollocks from the
>>> fact that a rigidly enforced 65mph limit on motorways would save the UK
>>> quite a bit in fuel consumption. (Although not as much as not
>>> travelling at all).
>>
>> I guess that a lot of people who think they are doing 70mph are actually
>> doing 63 to 65mph because most speedometers read 10% high.
>>
>> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorway journey is possibly a
>> higher risk than speed.
>
> All of which pales into insignificance when compared to the oncoming
> climate catastrophe (c).

If there is going to be a climate catastrophe then just enjoy the high
speeds and excessive consumption of fossil fuel while we can.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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 by: mm0fmf - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:44 UTC

On 14/05/2022 15:00, NY wrote:
> "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:je9mofFqrsnU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 14/05/2022 12:29, NY wrote:
>>
>>> It's possible that the car used for the record had a less powerful
>>> engine (if that makes it more efficient) and I couldn't find any
>>> mention of whether the drivers had a lower self-imposed maximum speed
>>> to use less fuel. Maybe they only did each leg of the journey on a
>>> day that the wind was predominantly behind them ;-)
>>
>> Or all unnecessary weight removed from the vehicle. No spare wheel, no
>> luggage, no back seat etc.
>
> And maybe only put in a small amount of fuel and keep filling up, to
> reduce the weight of fuel. 60 litres of diesel weighs about 50 kg which
> is about half a person (OK, half a fairly heavy person like wot I am).
>
> My grandpa had lived through fuel rationing in the war and had been
> taught how to conserve fuel for the times when he was making an
> authorised journey. It's ironic that his technique of slipping into
> neutral as he was slowing down (which he still did to the day he stopped
> driving shortly before he died in 1999) would actually be
> counterproductive with a modern computer-controlled engine. I've proved
> it with the instantaneous fuel-consumption menu on my car: pressing the
> clutch and keeping the engine idling uses a measurable amount of fuel
> (which displays as around about 150 mpg) whereas lifting off the
> throttle and staying in gear (ie clutch not pressed) uses a mythical 999
> mpg. That's because the computer can cut the fuel *totally* if the
> motion of the car on overrun will keep the engine turning, whereas with
> the car in neutral (or clutch pressed) a token amount of fuel is needed
> to keep the engine ticking over.

My car in eco mode (8 speed auto) drops in to neutral when you lift off
over 30mph. It also removes a few hundred bhp from under your right foot
and changes the revs when it changes gear. The saving on fuel is very
noticeable. As is the fact it becomes a slow car. I also note that I get
a better mpg at a constant 75mph than 70mph when using cruise on the
motorway. Slowing down more, such as 60mph on cruise on the A9 and the
mpg goes up of course. Just this bizarre 70<>75 issue.

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 by: mm0fmf - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:45 UTC

On 14/05/2022 14:43, williamwright wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 13:47, Peter Johnson wrote:
>> In March I drove from Woking to Leicester in a Prius. Before leaving,
>> the Satnav said the distance was 118 miles and the trip computer
>> estimated the range available to be also 118 miles.
>> Reaching the M1 I tucked in behind a sequence of HGVs and made the
>> journey at 60-65mph. Reached home with an estimated 5 miles range
>> still available.
>
> The increases in fuel costs don't affect me because I always put exactly
> £30's worth in.
>
> Bill

ROTLF. Thank you Bill.

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 by: lacksey - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:48 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:20:53 +1000, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

> I drove to Perth yesterday (Scotland not Australia), 62 miles. I set
> the drive computer at the start. On the way north, I was running late
> and driving a bit faster than usual. I also got caught in a traffic
> jam on the M8. When I arrived I checked the display and it showed
> 52.5 mpg. l reset the drive computer before returning. I drove more
> slowly on the way home, without the traffic jam, and got 48.8 mpg.
>
> Nissan Micra 1.2. Petrol. Manual gearbox, five gears.
>
> How can this be? I thought slowing down saved fuel. The only
> explanation I can think of is that I may have been driving into the
> wind on the way south. Could this account for the variation?

Yep, easily. And in lower gears for longer in the traffic jam.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 14 May 2022 20:23 UTC

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote

> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorwayjourney is possibly a
> higher risk than speed.

Not just possibly, absolutely certainly. The accident risk is
vastly lower with proper modern fully divided motorways.
essentially because they are much more forgiving even
if you do something really stupid like come off the lane.

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 by: NY - Sat, 14 May 2022 20:36 UTC

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote
>
>> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorwayjourney is possibly a
>> higher risk than speed.
>
> Not just possibly, absolutely certainly. The accident risk is
> vastly lower with proper modern fully divided motorways.
> essentially because they are much more forgiving even
> if you do something really stupid like come off the lane.

I've heard it said (and it may or may not be true - I don't have statistics)
that the accident rate on German autobahns (Autobahnen?) which have no speed
limit is lower than those which have a limit of around 70 mph (in km/hr)
because on an unlimited autobahn, drivers are constantly checking their door
mirror for a fast car coming up on their left before they change lanes,
whereas if they "know" that nothing (in theory!) will be going much faster
than them on a speed-limited autobahn, they indicate-and-go without checking
as thoroughly. Not sure whether it's true or bullshit.

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 by: SH - Sat, 14 May 2022 20:38 UTC

On 14/05/2022 20:45, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 14:43, williamwright wrote:
>> On 14/05/2022 13:47, Peter Johnson wrote:
>>> In March I drove from Woking to Leicester in a Prius. Before leaving,
>>> the Satnav said the distance was 118 miles and the trip computer
>>> estimated the range available to be also 118 miles.
>>> Reaching the M1 I tucked in behind a sequence of HGVs and made the
>>> journey at 60-65mph. Reached home with an estimated 5 miles range
>>> still available.
>>
>> The increases in fuel costs don't affect me because I always put
>> exactly £30's worth in.
>>
>> Bill
>
> ROTLF. Thank you Bill.

Has anyone noticed that new mums and dads often call their new borns
after espensive things, Mercedes, Pearl, Ruby, Porsche etc....

This time next year , new borns will be named Diesel, Petrol, Gas and
Electric!

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 by: SH - Sat, 14 May 2022 20:39 UTC

On 14/05/2022 14:43, williamwright wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 13:47, Peter Johnson wrote:
>> In March I drove from Woking to Leicester in a Prius. Before leaving,
>> the Satnav said the distance was 118 miles and the trip computer
>> estimated the range available to be also 118 miles.
>> Reaching the M1 I tucked in behind a sequence of HGVs and made the
>> journey at 60-65mph. Reached home with an estimated 5 miles range
>> still available.
>
> The increases in fuel costs don't affect me because I always put exactly
> £30's worth in.
>
> Bill

One day, You'll be at pump 5 having put in 30 quids of petrol... You'll
be hoping its enough to get you to pump 6!

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 14 May 2022 20:45 UTC

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote

>>> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorway
>>> journey is possibly a higher risk than speed.

>> Not just possibly, absolutely certainly. The accident risk is
>> vastly lower with proper modern fully divided motorways.
>> essentially because they are much more forgiving even
>> if you do something really stupid like come off the lane.

> I've heard it said (and it may or may not be true - I don't have
> statistics) that the accident rate on German autobahns (Autobahnen?)
> which have no speed limit is lower than those which have a limit of
> around 70 mph (in km/hr) because on an unlimited autobahn, drivers are
> constantly checking their door mirror for a fast car coming up on their
> left before they change lanes, whereas if they "know" that nothing (in
> theory!) will be going much faster than them on a speed-limited
> autobahn, they indicate-and-go without checking as thoroughly. Not sure
> whether it's true or bullshit.

Problem with that claim is that likely the ones with no speed
limit are also much safer to drive on and that is why the ones
with a speed limit have a speed limit.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 14 May 2022 20:53 UTC

SH <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote
> mm0fmf wrote
>> williamwright wrote

>>> The increases in fuel costs don't affect me because I always put
>>> exactly £30's worth in.

>> ROTLF. Thank you Bill.

> Has anyone noticed that new mums and dads often call their new borns
> after espensive things, Mercedes, Pearl, Ruby, Porsche etc....

Not convinced that it is often, I do look at the annual kids names
popularity lists.

Certain a mate of mine and his wife did that, but the first one is called
Austin
after the ancient Austin ute that he got from his grand dad and restored..

Not sure why the next girl was called Porsche, likely because it was
one of the few well known car brands that can be used for girls.

Their dog has the official name, not a nickname, of fleabag, quite
literally.

> This time next year , new borns will be named Diesel, Petrol, Gas and
> Electric!

Diesel has been around for quite a while as a kids name, not very common
tho.

One Jap tried to call his kid Devil but the poh faced bureaucrats wouldn't
let him.

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 by: NY - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:03 UTC

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote
>
>>>> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorway
>>>> journey is possibly a higher risk than speed.
>
>>> Not just possibly, absolutely certainly. The accident risk is
>>> vastly lower with proper modern fully divided motorways.
>>> essentially because they are much more forgiving even
>>> if you do something really stupid like come off the lane.
>
>> I've heard it said (and it may or may not be true - I don't have
>> statistics) that the accident rate on German autobahns (Autobahnen?)
>> which have no speed limit is lower than those which have a limit of
>> around 70 mph (in km/hr) because on an unlimited autobahn, drivers are
>> constantly checking their door mirror for a fast car coming up on their
>> left before they change lanes, whereas if they "know" that nothing (in
>> theory!) will be going much faster than them on a speed-limited
>> autobahn, they indicate-and-go without checking as thoroughly. Not sure
>> whether it's true or bullshit.
>
> Problem with that claim is that likely the ones with no speed
> limit are also much safer to drive on and that is why the ones
> with a speed limit have a speed limit.

Good point: they may only have no limit on routes that never see dense
traffic, and which are straighter and have fewer / safer junctions.

Do German autobahns have the US characteristic of a dedicated exit lane
before a junction and a dedicated entry lane after it to allow leaving
traffic to slow down below the speed of traffic that is not leaving, and to
allow entering traffic plenty of space to get up to the speed of the traffic
that they are joining? (*) As long as the dedicated exit lane is clearly
marked (which wasn't always the case on "motorways" that I drove on in
Massachusetts in the late 90s) to avoid the problem of last minute lane
changes, the exit/entry lane is a good idea. Do German autobahns allow
overtaking on either side, or are they as strict as we are about only
overtake on the left (right in the UK)? That was one thing that I found
*very* unnerving on US motorways - traffic passing you on your passenger
side.

(*) I am always on the look out after I pass a junction for vehicles which
thing that it is acceptable to move from the slip road to Lane 1 when they
are doing only 30 mph and I'm coming up behind them at 70. If there is a gap
in Lane 2, I usually move from Lane 1 to 2 just before the entry slip to
allow entering traffic to use Lane 1 as a continuation of an acceleration
lane - especially if the entering traffic has to go *uphill* (roundabout
below the motorway) rather than downhill (roundabout above the motorway)
because the former means that low power-to-weight vehicles might struggle to
reach motorway speed by the end of the slip road.

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On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:38:05 +0100, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

>On 14/05/2022 13:48, alan_m wrote:
>> On 14/05/2022 12:29, NY wrote:
>>
>>> It's possible that the car used for the record had a less powerful
>>> engine (if that makes it more efficient) and I couldn't find any
>>> mention of whether the drivers had a lower self-imposed maximum speed
>>> to use less fuel. Maybe they only did each leg of the journey on a day
>>> that the wind was predominantly behind them ;-)
>>>
>> Or all unnecessary weight removed from the vehicle. No spare wheel, no
>> luggage, no back seat etc.
>>
>And car manufacturers used to tape over all the body seams and door
>aperatures the past to get the best fuel consumption.

Now it is done electronically using the chip, if they can find any :-)

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 by: Paul - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:30 UTC

On 5/14/2022 9:19 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 14 May 2022 at 12:29:05 BST, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> But the best I've averaged on a tankful of fuel is about 60 mpg - and that may
>> partly have been due to random filling differences (different pumps cut out at
>> different points).
>
> Just pull the nozzle out a bit and continue to fill - carefully. I usually
> manage to get 2 litres more in, doing that.
>

I would not recommend doing that.

Your car can have a charcoal filter, for reducing VOC from the
fuel system. It runs off vacuum, and anything pulled through
the canister is burned in the engine.

The car is designed to cut off fuel fill, in concert with
the station nozzle device, to a safe level. when it stops filling,
you're done. You'd not supposed to fill it all the way up to the
little spring-loaded door :-) This is not the old days. I don't
think my first car had all that fancy junk on it.

https://www.cars.com/articles/what-happens-when-you-fill-up-with-too-much-gas-442051/

And I nearly lost that canister on the road, because the
car company put a less-than-adequate bracket on it, to
hold it to the car, and the bracket rusted off.

Paul

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 05:48:43 +1000, lacksey <lki567@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:20:53 +1000, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> I drove to Perth yesterday (Scotland not Australia), 62 miles. I set
>> the drive computer at the start. On the way north, I was running late
>> and driving a bit faster than usual. I also got caught in a traffic
>> jam on the M8. When I arrived I checked the display and it showed
>> 52.5 mpg. l reset the drive computer before returning. I drove more
>> slowly on the way home, without the traffic jam, and got 48.8 mpg.
>>
>> Nissan Micra 1.2. Petrol. Manual gearbox, five gears.
>>
>> How can this be? I thought slowing down saved fuel. The only
>> explanation I can think of is that I may have been driving into the
>> wind on the way south. Could this account for the variation?
>
>Yep, easily. And in lower gears for longer in the traffic jam.

Do lower gears improve fuel economy? I thought it was the other way
round and fifth gear would be the most efficient.

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 by: Tim Streater - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:43 UTC

On 14 May 2022 at 22:03:19 BST, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> Do German autobahns have the US characteristic of a dedicated exit lane
> before a junction and a dedicated entry lane after it to allow leaving
> traffic to slow down below the speed of traffic that is not leaving, and to
> allow entering traffic plenty of space to get up to the speed of the traffic
> that they are joining? (*) As long as the dedicated exit lane is clearly
> marked (which wasn't always the case on "motorways" that I drove on in
> Massachusetts in the late 90s) to avoid the problem of last minute lane
> changes, the exit/entry lane is a good idea.

The bad thing about US freeways is that you have two off-roads at each actual
exit, depending on which way you want to go (left or right) at the top. They
do this instead of having a roundabout at the top as we do. Two bad
consequences of this:

1) If you're not sure which one you need and take the wrong one, you're then
going in the wrong direction on the road you've exited onto, and the lack of
roundabouts make it hard to turn around. Especially if they also prevent
U-turns at a number of subsequent junctions.

2) Traffic exiting on one of those exits is crossing traffic entering at one
of the two entrances. This is quite dangerous as traffic getting on the
freeway is accelerating while traffic getting off is trying to slow down.

I found US roads to be poorly signed and badly designed (the 4-way stop is
another POS). Their aim appears to be to ensure that you can't drive from A to
B without becoming an administrative criminal (and thus paying a fine).

--
"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:46 UTC

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote

>>>>> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorway
>>>>> journey is possibly a higher risk than speed.

>>>> Not just possibly, absolutely certainly. The accident risk is
>>>> vastly lower with proper modern fully divided motorways.
>>>> essentially because they are much more forgiving even
>>>> if you do something really stupid like come off the lane.

>>> I've heard it said (and it may or may not be true - I don't have
>>> statistics) that the accident rate on German autobahns (Autobahnen?)
>>> which have no speed limit is lower than those which have a limit of
>>> around 70 mph (in km/hr) because on an unlimited autobahn, drivers are
>>> constantly checking their door mirror for a fast car coming up on
>>> their left before they change lanes, whereas if they "know" that
>>> nothing (in theory!) will be going much faster than them on a
>>> speed-limited autobahn, they indicate-and-go without checking as
>>> thoroughly. Not sure whether it's true or bullshit.

>> Problem with that claim is that likely the ones with no speed
>> limit are also much safer to drive on and that is why the ones
>> with a speed limit have a speed limit.

> Good point: they may only have no limit on routes that never see dense
> traffic, and which are straighter and have fewer / safer junctions.

> Do German autobahns have the US characteristic of a dedicated exit lane
> before a junction and a dedicated entry lane after it to allow leaving
> traffic to slow down below the speed of traffic that is not leaving, and
> to allow entering traffic plenty of space to get up to the speed of the
> traffic that they are joining? (*)

Dunno, and not that easy to research using google maps street view.

> As long as the dedicated exit lane is clearly marked (which wasn't
> always the case on "motorways" that I drove on in Massachusetts in the
> late 90s) to avoid the problem of last minute lane changes, the
> exit/entry lane is a good idea.

Yeah, the ones I use here all do that very well indeed.

> Do German autobahns allow overtaking on either side,

No.

> or are they as strict as we are about only overtake on the left (right
> in the UK)?

Yes, except in a traffic jam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn#Traffic_laws_and_enforcement

> That was one thing that I found *very* unnerving on US motorways -
> traffic passing you on your passenger side.

That's legal here. I don't find it unnerving at all. Happens a lot
here with multilane major roads inside citys, not just motorways.

> (*) I am always on the look out after I pass a junction for vehicles
> which thing that it is acceptable to move from the slip road to Lane 1
> when they are doing only 30 mph and I'm coming up behind them at 70.

Ours are quite cautious about that and mostly slow right down on the entry
road.

> If there is a gap in Lane 2, I usually move from Lane 1 to 2 just before
> the entry slip to allow entering traffic to use Lane 1 as a continuation
> of an acceleration lane - especially if the entering traffic has to go
> *uphill* (roundabout below the motorway) rather than downhill
> (roundabout above the motorway) because the former means that low
> power-to-weight vehicles might struggle to reach motorway speed by the
> end of the slip road.

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 by: Tim Streater - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:49 UTC

On 14 May 2022 at 22:30:48 BST, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 5/14/2022 9:19 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 14 May 2022 at 12:29:05 BST, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> But the best I've averaged on a tankful of fuel is about 60 mpg - and that may
>>> partly have been due to random filling differences (different pumps cut out at
>>> different points).
>>
>> Just pull the nozzle out a bit and continue to fill - carefully. I usually
>> manage to get 2 litres more in, doing that.
>
> I would not recommend doing that.
>
> Your car can have a charcoal filter, for reducing VOC from the
> fuel system. It runs off vacuum, and anything pulled through
> the canister is burned in the engine.
>
> The car is designed to cut off fuel fill, in concert with
> the station nozzle device, to a safe level. when it stops filling,
> you're done. You'd not supposed to fill it all the way up to the
> little spring-loaded door :-) This is not the old days. I don't
> think my first car had all that fancy junk on it.
>
> https://www.cars.com/articles/what-happens-when-you-fill-up-with-too-much-gas-442051/

I've never had a problem doing this. No lights come on and I don't get told
off by the nice chaps at Toyota when I take the car in for service once a
year.

And pump nozzles here don't have a "large rubber collar or accordion-like tube
on the pump handle that covers the opening of your filler neck while you’re
filling your tank".

--
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 by: Scott - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:53 UTC

On 14 May 2022 21:49:46 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
wrote:

>On 14 May 2022 at 22:30:48 BST, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/2022 9:19 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> On 14 May 2022 at 12:29:05 BST, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the best I've averaged on a tankful of fuel is about 60 mpg - and that may
>>>> partly have been due to random filling differences (different pumps cut out at
>>>> different points).
>>>
>>> Just pull the nozzle out a bit and continue to fill - carefully. I usually
>>> manage to get 2 litres more in, doing that.
>>
>> I would not recommend doing that.
>>
>> Your car can have a charcoal filter, for reducing VOC from the
>> fuel system. It runs off vacuum, and anything pulled through
>> the canister is burned in the engine.
>>
>> The car is designed to cut off fuel fill, in concert with
>> the station nozzle device, to a safe level. when it stops filling,
>> you're done. You'd not supposed to fill it all the way up to the
>> little spring-loaded door :-) This is not the old days. I don't
>> think my first car had all that fancy junk on it.
>>
>> https://www.cars.com/articles/what-happens-when-you-fill-up-with-too-much-gas-442051/
>
>I've never had a problem doing this. No lights come on and I don't get told
>off by the nice chaps at Toyota when I take the car in for service once a
>year.
>
>And pump nozzles here don't have a "large rubber collar or accordion-like tube
>on the pump handle that covers the opening of your filler neck while you’re
>filling your tank".

I was taught it depended on temperature and whether you were
immediately going to drive something like five miles.

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 by: lacksey - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:54 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 07:31:33 +1000, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Sun, 15 May 2022 05:48:43 +1000, lacksey <lki567@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:20:53 +1000, Scott
>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I drove to Perth yesterday (Scotland not Australia), 62 miles. I set
>>> the drive computer at the start. On the way north, I was running late
>>> and driving a bit faster than usual. I also got caught in a traffic
>>> jam on the M8. When I arrived I checked the display and it showed
>>> 52.5 mpg. l reset the drive computer before returning. I drove more
>>> slowly on the way home, without the traffic jam, and got 48.8 mpg.
>>>
>>> Nissan Micra 1.2. Petrol. Manual gearbox, five gears.
>>>
>>> How can this be? I thought slowing down saved fuel. The only
>>> explanation I can think of is that I may have been driving into the
>>> wind on the way south. Could this account for the variation?
>>
>> Yep, easily. And in lower gears for longer in the traffic jam.
>
> Do lower gears improve fuel economy? I thought it was the other way
> round and fifth gear would be the most efficient.

Not in a traffic jam.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:04 UTC

On 14/05/2022 13:56, Jethro_uk wrote:
> fact that a rigidly enforced 65mph limit on motorways would save the UK
> quite a bit in fuel consumption.
That's not a fact. In fact rigid speed limits end up with people braking
and accelerating all the time to keep to them. Biggest fuel burn for me
is roads with humps in them and chicanes that are one way. Every time I
slow or stop the car it takes a cupful of diesel to get it moving again

idling in traffic queues also burns a shitload

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:04 UTC

On 14/05/2022 19:18, Jethro_uk wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:17:30 +0100, alan_m wrote:
>
>> On 14/05/2022 13:56, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>
>>> You can tell how much of this climate "emergency" is bollocks from the
>>> fact that a rigidly enforced 65mph limit on motorways would save the UK
>>> quite a bit in fuel consumption. (Although not as much as not
>>> travelling at all).
>>
>> I guess that a lot of people who think they are doing 70mph are actually
>> doing 63 to 65mph because most speedometers read 10% high.
>>
>> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorway journey is possibly a
>> higher risk than speed.
>
> All of which pales into insignificance when compared to the oncoming
> climate catastrophe (c).

LOL!

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:07 UTC

On 14/05/2022 21:36, NY wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.1l6dkohybyq249@pvr2.lan...
>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote
>>
>>> Risk of accident wise, boredom on a long motorwayjourney is possibly
>>> a higher risk than speed.
>>
>> Not just possibly, absolutely certainly. The accident risk is
>> vastly lower with proper modern fully divided motorways.
>> essentially because they are much more forgiving even
>> if you do something really stupid like come off the lane.
>
> I've heard it said (and it may or may not be true - I don't have
> statistics) that the accident rate on German autobahns (Autobahnen?)
> which have no speed limit is lower than those which have a limit of
> around 70 mph (in km/hr) because on an unlimited autobahn, drivers are
> constantly checking their door mirror for a fast car coming up on their
> left before they change lanes, whereas if they "know" that nothing (in
> theory!) will be going much faster than them on a speed-limited
> autobahn, they indicate-and-go without checking as thoroughly. Not sure
> whether it's true or bullshit.
Ther have been some horrendous accidents when people failed to do that.
I made it a rule never to travel much faster than 20mph more than the
people I was overtaking. Hurtlng past an old codger doing 60 mph and
120mph is fraught...

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:11 UTC

On 14/05/2022 22:54, lacksey wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 07:31:33 +1000, Scott
> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 05:48:43 +1000, lacksey <lki567@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:20:53 +1000, Scott
>>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I drove to Perth yesterday (Scotland not Australia), 62 miles.  I set
>>>> the drive computer at the start.  On the way north, I was running late
>>>> and driving a bit faster than usual.  I also got caught in a traffic
>>>> jam on the M8.  When I arrived I checked the display and it showed
>>>> 52.5 mpg.  l reset the drive computer before returning.  I drove more
>>>> slowly on the way home, without the traffic jam, and got 48.8 mpg.
>>>>
>>>> Nissan Micra 1.2.  Petrol.  Manual gearbox, five gears.
>>>>
>>>> How can this be?  I thought slowing down saved fuel.  The only
>>>> explanation I can think of is that I may have been driving into the
>>>> wind on the way south.  Could this account for the variation?
>>>
>>> Yep, easily. And in lower gears for longer in the traffic jam.
>>
>> Do lower gears improve fuel economy?  I thought it was the other way
>> round and fifth gear would be the most efficient.
>
> Not in a traffic jam.

There are no hard and fast rules - it's a balance between engine
efficiency, profile drag and rolling resistance. My current car is
actually best at around 50-70mph in top gear.
Stopping ruins the fuel economy.
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