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 by: leen...@yahoo.co.uk - Sun, 15 May 2022 13:31 UTC

Hi all,

I am going to start building an outdoor BBQ next weekend out of concrete blocks. It is about 1900mm wide, around 850mm deep, block legs each end and a block central leg in the middle. I have laid a few bricks/ blocks before but nothing on this scale. Looking at some online videos to work out the best way to arrange the blocks, make sure it is square etc. it advises to do the corners first (although given the small size I think that may be irrelevant) but also to ensure "half bonding". As far as I can make out, the principle being that blocks should straddle 2 blocks below half on each one. This is alright in practice but when the width isn't a full number of blocks and I need to incorporate the middle leg this seems to be a bit too complicated.

For the corner, the videos suggest adding a 100mm block "offcut" next to the edge of the block that runs front to back (F2B) and then a full block next to the offcut. So you get 100mm (F2B block edge), 20mm cement, 100mm offcut = width of half a block. Another video suggested not to bother cutting blocks and use a house brick positioned vertically but that would either mean the width (left to right) is now 65mm (instead of the 100mm) or the depth (F2B) is 65mm and therefore not flush to the blocks front and back.

That being the easiest part of my confusion ( :) ), heaven knows what I am supposed to do at the centre leg or indeed where I need to use part blocks because the width/ depth aren't full block friendly.

Anyone have any idea how to achieve this? Having said that, given the size of the structure (it has back, left and right sides only - i.e. open front for obvious reasons :) ) and it is only about 2.5m high and non-load bearing maybe I don't need to worry about all this and just make the corners without the "offcuts" and overlap as best I can?

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Lee.

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Sun, 15 May 2022 13:42 UTC

Best way is to draw it out to scale on your computer. Easier to alter that
than blocks.

--
*It IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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 by: leen...@yahoo.co.uk - Sun, 15 May 2022 13:47 UTC

On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 14:42:56 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Best way is to draw it out to scale on your computer. Easier to alter that
> than blocks.
>
> --
> *It IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you.
>
> Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
> To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Thanks Dave. I have plotted it out (in Excel) on the computer but that was before I found out about this half bonding thing. So I know I have to change it but not sure how as my situation isn't as easy as the examples I found online :)

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 by: Richard - Sun, 15 May 2022 15:49 UTC

On 15/05/2022 14:31, leen...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am going to start building an outdoor BBQ next weekend out of concrete blocks. It is about 1900mm wide, around 850mm deep, block legs each end and a block central leg in the middle. I have laid a few bricks/ blocks before but nothing on this scale. Looking at some online videos to work out the best way to arrange the blocks, make sure it is square etc. it advises to do the corners first (although given the small size I think that may be irrelevant) but also to ensure "half bonding". As far as I can make out, the principle being that blocks should straddle 2 blocks below half on each one. This is alright in practice but when the width isn't a full number of blocks and I need to incorporate the middle leg this seems to be a bit too complicated.
>
> For the corner, the videos suggest adding a 100mm block "offcut" next to the edge of the block that runs front to back (F2B) and then a full block next to the offcut. So you get 100mm (F2B block edge), 20mm cement, 100mm offcut = width of half a block. Another video suggested not to bother cutting blocks and use a house brick positioned vertically but that would either mean the width (left to right) is now 65mm (instead of the 100mm) or the depth (F2B) is 65mm and therefore not flush to the blocks front and back.
>
> That being the easiest part of my confusion ( :) ), heaven knows what I am supposed to do at the centre leg or indeed where I need to use part blocks because the width/ depth aren't full block friendly.
>
> Anyone have any idea how to achieve this? Having said that, given the size of the structure (it has back, left and right sides only - i.e. open front for obvious reasons :) ) and it is only about 2.5m high and non-load bearing maybe I don't need to worry about all this and just make the corners without the "offcuts" and overlap as best I can?
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Lee.

Not an answer to your question, but if I were building a BBQ I'd do
something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLHoo2a15Ro

Easy to build, easy to modify.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 15 May 2022 19:26 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 23:31:38 +1000, leen...@yahoo.co.uk
<leenowell@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,

All hanged himself, he got too many questions he couldn't answer.

> I am going to start building an outdoor BBQ next weekend out of concrete
> blocks. It is about 1900mm wide, around 850mm deep, block legs each end
> and a block central leg in the middle. I have laid a few bricks/ blocks
> before but nothing on this scale.

I have done a whole very large house.

> Looking at some online videos to work out the best way to arrange the
> blocks, make sure it is square etc. it advises to do the corners first

That is the way to do it.

> (although given the small size I think that may be irrelevant)

No it's not.

> but also to ensure "half bonding". As far as I can make out, the
> principle being that blocks should straddle 2 blocks below half on each
> one.

That's correct.

This is alright in practice but when the width
> isn't a full number of blocks and I need to incorporate the middle leg
> this seems to be a bit too complicated.

No it isn't and is essential. You just use a mixture of full and half
length blocks.

> For the corner, the videos suggest adding a 100mm block "offcut" next to
> the edge of the block that runs front to back (F2B) and then a full
> block next to the offcut. So you get 100mm (F2B block edge), 20mm
> cement, 100mm offcut = width of half a block.

Better to use both full length and half length blocks.

The return is just a full block where there
would be a half block if there was no corner.

The middle leg has a full block coming down
the leg with a half block beside it in one course
and two full blocks in the next course.

Just use paper with marked squares to draw it out.
Each square is a half block.

> Another video suggested not to bother cutting blocks and use a house
> brick positioned vertically but that would either mean the width (left
> to right) is now 65mm (instead of the 100mm) or the depth (F2B) is 65mm
> and therefore not flush to the blocks front and back.

Yeah, that's an abortion.

> That being the easiest part of my confusion ( :) ), heaven knows what I
> am supposed to do at the centre leg or indeed where I need to use part
> blocks because the width/ depth aren't full block friendly.

Thats why you have both full blocks and half blocks.

> Anyone have any idea how to achieve this?

Yep, just use full blocks and half blocks.

> Having said that, given the size of the structure (it has back, left and
> right sides only - i.e. open front for obvious reasons :) ) and it is
> only about 2.5m high and non-load bearing maybe I don't need to worry
> about all this and just make the corners without the "offcuts" and
> overlap as best I can?

Nope, that will look much worse.

> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

I gave up on those, they just make my head hurt.

> Thanks in advance

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 15 May 2022 19:28 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 23:47:29 +1000, leen...@yahoo.co.uk
<leenowell@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 14:42:56 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> Best way is to draw it out to scale on your computer. Easier to alter
>> that
>> than blocks.
>>
>> --
>> *It IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you.
>>
>> Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
>> To e-mail, change noise into sound.
>
> Thanks Dave. I have plotted it out (in Excel) on the computer but that
> was before I found out about this half bonding thing. So I know I have
> to change it but not sure how as my situation isn't as easy as the
> examples I found online :)

Its the same as a house with two rooms blocks wise. Just much smaller.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 15 May 2022 19:37 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 01:49:03 +1000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 15/05/2022 14:31, leen...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am going to start building an outdoor BBQ next weekend out of
>> concrete blocks. It is about 1900mm wide, around 850mm deep, block
>> legs each end and a block central leg in the middle. I have laid a few
>> bricks/ blocks before but nothing on this scale. Looking at some
>> online videos to work out the best way to arrange the blocks, make sure
>> it is square etc. it advises to do the corners first (although given
>> the small size I think that may be irrelevant) but also to ensure "half
>> bonding". As far as I can make out, the principle being that blocks
>> should straddle 2 blocks below half on each one. This is alright in
>> practice but when the width isn't a full number of blocks and I need to
>> incorporate the middle leg this seems to be a bit too complicated.
>> For the corner, the videos suggest adding a 100mm block "offcut" next
>> to the edge of the block that runs front to back (F2B) and then a full
>> block next to the offcut. So you get 100mm (F2B block edge), 20mm
>> cement, 100mm offcut = width of half a block. Another video suggested
>> not to bother cutting blocks and use a house brick positioned
>> vertically but that would either mean the width (left to right) is now
>> 65mm (instead of the 100mm) or the depth (F2B) is 65mm and therefore
>> not flush to the blocks front and back.
>> That being the easiest part of my confusion ( :) ), heaven knows what
>> I am supposed to do at the centre leg or indeed where I need to use
>> part blocks because the width/ depth aren't full block friendly.
>> Anyone have any idea how to achieve this? Having said that, given the
>> size of the structure (it has back, left and right sides only - i.e.
>> open front for obvious reasons :) ) and it is only about 2.5m high and
>> non-load bearing maybe I don't need to worry about all this and just
>> make the corners without the "offcuts" and overlap as best I can?
>> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Lee.
>
> Not an answer to your question, but if I were building a BBQ I'd do
> something like this:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLHoo2a15Ro

That's fucked. There is no overlap horizontally between the courses.

> Easy to build, easy to modify.

And fucked. No foooting either.

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 by: John Walliker - Sun, 15 May 2022 22:05 UTC

On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 16:49:07 UTC+1, Richard wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 14:31, leen...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am going to start building an outdoor BBQ next weekend out of concrete blocks. It is about 1900mm wide, around 850mm deep, block legs each end and a block central leg in the middle. I have laid a few bricks/ blocks before but nothing on this scale. Looking at some online videos to work out the best way to arrange the blocks, make sure it is square etc. it advises to do the corners first (although given the small size I think that may be irrelevant) but also to ensure "half bonding". As far as I can make out, the principle being that blocks should straddle 2 blocks below half on each one. This is alright in practice but when the width isn't a full number of blocks and I need to incorporate the middle leg this seems to be a bit too complicated.
> >
> > For the corner, the videos suggest adding a 100mm block "offcut" next to the edge of the block that runs front to back (F2B) and then a full block next to the offcut. So you get 100mm (F2B block edge), 20mm cement, 100mm offcut = width of half a block. Another video suggested not to bother cutting blocks and use a house brick positioned vertically but that would either mean the width (left to right) is now 65mm (instead of the 100mm) or the depth (F2B) is 65mm and therefore not flush to the blocks front and back.
> >
> > That being the easiest part of my confusion ( :) ), heaven knows what I am supposed to do at the centre leg or indeed where I need to use part blocks because the width/ depth aren't full block friendly.
> >
> > Anyone have any idea how to achieve this? Having said that, given the size of the structure (it has back, left and right sides only - i.e. open front for obvious reasons :) ) and it is only about 2.5m high and non-load bearing maybe I don't need to worry about all this and just make the corners without the "offcuts" and overlap as best I can?
> >
> > Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Lee.
> Not an answer to your question, but if I were building a BBQ I'd do
> something like this:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLHoo2a15Ro
>
> Easy to build, easy to modify.

Just one thing to remember - make sure everything is very dry before you start to
use it. I discovered that a damp paving stone used as the base for a BBQ explodes
very spectacularly once it gets hot.

John

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