<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws>

Video about a robot dog in a power plant in Austria - skip to 2.35 and
freeze frame!

I feel the urge to see this pumped storage power plant. Riding there
would, of course, be a complete chore. :-)

<https://goo.gl/maps/tSJaFergT2XymuNk9>

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws>
>
>Video about a robot dog in a power plant in Austria - skip to 2.35 and
>freeze frame!
>
>I feel the urge to see this pumped storage power plant. Riding there
>would, of course, be a complete chore. :-)
>
><https://goo.gl/maps/tSJaFergT2XymuNk9>

We rode that loop with wessie and Ginge in 2009, during the Alpenstars
trip. I think you can have too many hairpins!

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 07:34:47 +0000, Colin Irvine
<look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
><07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>><https://goo.gl/maps/tSJaFergT2XymuNk9>
>
>We rode that loop with wessie and Ginge in 2009, during the Alpenstars
>trip. I think you can have too many hairpins!

Or the wrong bike? Weren't you two-up on a lardybeast Yamaha 1000 at
the time, or was that a different visit?

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in news:5kk4og9mnnh8ncv8sc1uikajhl6omtu5o5@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 07:34:47 +0000, Colin Irvine
> <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>><07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>>><https://goo.gl/maps/tSJaFergT2XymuNk9>
>>
>>We rode that loop with wessie and Ginge in 2009, during the Alpenstars
>>trip. I think you can have too many hairpins!
>
> Or the wrong bike? Weren't you two-up on a lardybeast Yamaha 1000 at
> the time, or was that a different visit?
>

ZZR1400 I think

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 09:52:43 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in news:5kk4og9mnnh8ncv8sc1uikajhl6omtu5o5@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 07:34:47 +0000, Colin Irvine
>> <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>>><07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>
>>>><https://goo.gl/maps/tSJaFergT2XymuNk9>
>>>
>>>We rode that loop with wessie and Ginge in 2009, during the Alpenstars
>>>trip. I think you can have too many hairpins!
>>
>> Or the wrong bike? Weren't you two-up on a lardybeast Yamaha 1000 at
>> the time, or was that a different visit?
>>
>
>ZZR1400 I think

Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
hairpins.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 09:52:43 -0000 (UTC), wessie
><willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in news:5kk4og9mnnh8ncv8sc1uikajhl6omtu5o5@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 07:34:47 +0000, Colin Irvine
>>> <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>>>><07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>><https://goo.gl/maps/tSJaFergT2XymuNk9>
>>>>
>>>>We rode that loop with wessie and Ginge in 2009, during the Alpenstars
>>>>trip. I think you can have too many hairpins!
>>>
>>> Or the wrong bike? Weren't you two-up on a lardybeast Yamaha 1000 at
>>> the time, or was that a different visit?
>>
>>ZZR1400 I think
>
>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>hairpins.

Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a point
when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our general
criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably suit us
fine.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote in
news:edp4oglaonblkmurb9hpqp28gplqagr00u@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 09:52:43 -0000 (UTC), wessie
>><willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in
>>>news:5kk4og9mnnh8ncv8sc1uikajhl6omtu5o5@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 07:34:47 +0000, Colin Irvine
>>>> <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>>>>><07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>><https://goo.gl/maps/tSJaFergT2XymuNk9>
>>>>>
>>>>>We rode that loop with wessie and Ginge in 2009, during the
>>>>>Alpenstars trip. I think you can have too many hairpins!
>>>>
>>>> Or the wrong bike? Weren't you two-up on a lardybeast Yamaha 1000
>>>> at the time, or was that a different visit?
>>>
>>>ZZR1400 I think
>>
>>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>>hairpins.
>
> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a point
> when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our general
> criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably suit us
> fine.
>

I am often surprised where I meet coaches and sometimes I think a road
is hard work then get to the top and find there is a 4 axle, 30 tonne
tipper at the top of the pass, delivering hard core.

Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>>hairpins.
>
> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a point
> when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our general
> criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably suit us
> fine.

Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at speed,
it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight switchbacks
it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to wrestle it around.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:34:06 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
<olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>>>hairpins.
>>
>> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a point
>> when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our general
>> criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably suit us
>> fine.
>
>Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at speed,
>it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight switchbacks
>it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to wrestle it around.

"You know nothing, Jon Snow" :-)
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On 11/3/2021 5:34 AM, Mark Olson wrote:
> Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>> Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>>> hairpins.
>>
>> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a point
>> when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our general
>> criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably suit us
>> fine.
>
> Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at speed,
> it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight switchbacks
> it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to wrestle it around.
>
I prefer a variety of turns where you don't know what's coming up.
Hairpin after hairpin just gets tedious.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 11:49:54 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>sometimes I think a road
>is hard work then get to the top and find there is a 4 axle, 30 tonne
>tipper at the top of the pass, delivering hard core.

heh
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:34:06 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
<olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>>>hairpins.
>>
>> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a point
>> when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our general
>> criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably suit us
>> fine.
>
>Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at speed,
>it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight switchbacks
>it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to wrestle it around.

Even on a smaller bike it can be tiring: I went for lunch last week at
a spot up a series of hairpins and had to explain why I, out in the
fresh air, was sweating and out of breath when the rest of the group
who travelled by car were all fine.

Never seen any coaches going up that road - in fact I don't think they
could make it round some of the corners (CV675, south of Simat de la
Valldigna). There is another approach to the village with easier
access, still designed to ground the footpegs though.

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws>

But do they fire bolts into people's heads?

--

-Pip

On 03/11/2021 07:34, Colin Irvine wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws>
>>
>> Video about a robot dog in a power plant in Austria - skip to 2.35 and
>> freeze frame!
>>
>> I feel the urge to see this pumped storage power plant. Riding there
>> would, of course, be a complete chore. :-)
>>
>> <https://goo.gl/maps/tSJaFergT2XymuNk9>
>
> We rode that loop with wessie and Ginge in 2009, during the Alpenstars
> trip. I think you can have too many hairpins!

One is too many.

On 03/11/2021 11:49, wessie wrote:
>
> I am often surprised where I meet coaches and sometimes I think a road
> is hard work then get to the top and find there is a 4 axle, 30 tonne
> tipper at the top of the pass, delivering hard core.

That's a lot of porn.

On 03/11/2021 18:33, Pipl wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws>
>
> But do they fire bolts into people's heads?

I'm sure a few of them want to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PaTWufUqqU

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 20:55:40 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 03/11/2021 18:33, Pipl wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws>
>>
>> But do they fire bolts into people's heads?
>
>I'm sure a few of them want to.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PaTWufUqqU

Come the revolution...

--

-Pip

On 11/3/2021 1:55 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 03/11/2021 18:33, Pipl wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws>
>>
>> But do they fire bolts into people's heads?
>
> I'm sure a few of them want to.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PaTWufUqqU
>
Hah! I dread the day they are ever programmed with morality and an idea
of justice.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:01:31 +0100, Pete <pemur@btmungeinternet.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:34:06 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson

>>Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at speed,
>>it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight switchbacks
>>it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to wrestle it around.

>Even on a smaller bike it can be tiring: I went for lunch last week at
>a spot up a series of hairpins and had to explain why I, out in the
>fresh air, was sweating and out of breath when the rest of the group
>who travelled by car were all fine.
>
>Never seen any coaches going up that road - in fact I don't think they
>could make it round some of the corners (CV675, south of Simat de la
>Valldigna). There is another approach to the village with easier
>access, still designed to ground the footpegs though.

<looks on map>

Yes, I see what you mean!

I assume lunch was at La Visteta?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 07:58:17 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:01:31 +0100, Pete <pemur@btmungeinternet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:34:06 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
>
>>>Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at speed,
>>>it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight switchbacks
>>>it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to wrestle it around.
>
>>Even on a smaller bike it can be tiring: I went for lunch last week at
>>a spot up a series of hairpins and had to explain why I, out in the
>>fresh air, was sweating and out of breath when the rest of the group
>>who travelled by car were all fine.
>>
>>Never seen any coaches going up that road - in fact I don't think they
>>could make it round some of the corners (CV675, south of Simat de la
>>Valldigna). There is another approach to the village with easier
>>access, still designed to ground the footpegs though.
>
><looks on map>
>
>Yes, I see what you mean!
>
>I assume lunch was at La Visteta?

No, still to try that one. There are smaller bars that have survived
the plague in Barx, and we try to support the local places. Lunch and
drinks at around 22€, but drinks were taken in moderation - I don't
want to take the more direct route down the hill.

Would post some video but I tend to get the speedo in the frame, and
there is a 30 KPH limit on much of the hill. There are a multitude of
interesting routes round here, interspersed with long boring
straights: for instance, the CV700 a bit to the south is described as
'challenging' on dangerousroads.org, another stretch designed to wear
you out.

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

Pete <pemur@btmungeinternet.com> wrote in
news:kaf5og5gnn21pa67qt2g4e563mk7m2r2gj@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:34:06 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>>>>hairpins.
>>>
>>> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a point
>>> when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our general
>>> criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably suit us
>>> fine.
>>
>>Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at speed,
>>it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight switchbacks
>>it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to wrestle it around.
>
> Even on a smaller bike it can be tiring: I went for lunch last week at
> a spot up a series of hairpins and had to explain why I, out in the
> fresh air, was sweating and out of breath when the rest of the group
> who travelled by car were all fine.
>
> Never seen any coaches going up that road - in fact I don't think they
> could make it round some of the corners (CV675, south of Simat de la
> Valldigna). There is another approach to the village with easier
> access, still designed to ground the footpegs though.
>

how is that challenging? There's a while line down the middle, safety
barriers and a rain gutter!

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 17:23:52 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>Pete <pemur@btmungeinternet.com> wrote in
>news:kaf5og5gnn21pa67qt2g4e563mk7m2r2gj@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:34:06 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
>> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>>>>>hairpins.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a point
>>>> when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our general
>>>> criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably suit us
>>>> fine.
>>>
>>>Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at speed,
>>>it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight switchbacks
>>>it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to wrestle it around.
>>
>> Even on a smaller bike it can be tiring: I went for lunch last week at
>> a spot up a series of hairpins and had to explain why I, out in the
>> fresh air, was sweating and out of breath when the rest of the group
>> who travelled by car were all fine.
>>
>> Never seen any coaches going up that road - in fact I don't think they
>> could make it round some of the corners (CV675, south of Simat de la
>> Valldigna). There is another approach to the village with easier
>> access, still designed to ground the footpegs though.
>>
>
>how is that challenging? There's a while line down the middle, safety
>barriers and a rain gutter!

Adverse camber, blind corners, rock face walls, north facing so it
doesn't dry very well, occasional washout debris just where you don't
need or want it. Street View doesn't properly represent the reality,
especially on the mid stretches, it is narrower than it appears.

I'll grant that the CV600 going west from Simat is easier and largely
meets your criteria without the disadvantages, but still heaps of fun,
especially since it was partly resurfaced. Oh and it now has a 60 KPH
limit over some of the best bits, which is less endearing. Honestly,
the Spanish are getting even more paranoid over speed than the UK.

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

Pete <pemur@btmungeinternet.com> wrote in
news:co88og9036al0s0f6vbq5fiqclvtv3phif@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 17:23:52 -0000 (UTC), wessie
> <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>Pete <pemur@btmungeinternet.com> wrote in
>>news:kaf5og5gnn21pa67qt2g4e563mk7m2r2gj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:34:06 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
>>> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
>>>>>>hairpins.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a
>>>>> point when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our
>>>>> general criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably
>>>>> suit us fine.
>>>>
>>>>Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at
>>>>speed, it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight
>>>>switchbacks it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to
>>>>wrestle it around.
>>>
>>> Even on a smaller bike it can be tiring: I went for lunch last week
>>> at a spot up a series of hairpins and had to explain why I, out in
>>> the fresh air, was sweating and out of breath when the rest of the
>>> group who travelled by car were all fine.
>>>
>>> Never seen any coaches going up that road - in fact I don't think
>>> they could make it round some of the corners (CV675, south of Simat
>>> de la Valldigna). There is another approach to the village with
>>> easier access, still designed to ground the footpegs though.
>>>
>>
>>how is that challenging? There's a while line down the middle, safety
>>barriers and a rain gutter!
>
> Adverse camber, blind corners, rock face walls, north facing so it
> doesn't dry very well, occasional washout debris just where you don't
> need or want it. Street View doesn't properly represent the reality,
> especially on the mid stretches, it is narrower than it appears.
>
> I'll grant that the CV600 going west from Simat is easier and largely
> meets your criteria without the disadvantages, but still heaps of fun,
> especially since it was partly resurfaced. Oh and it now has a 60 KPH
> limit over some of the best bits, which is less endearing. Honestly,
> the Spanish are getting even more paranoid over speed than the UK.
>

I guess YMMV. I think of a challenging road where you drop around a
corner to find the road becomes a cobbled track through a Portugeuse
farmyard with 33% hairpins or 49 cobbled hairpins over a pass in
Slovenia that have been rutted by trucks. The first really grabs your
attention and the latter is properly tiresome.

On 11/4/2021 11:34 AM, wessie wrote:
>
>
> I guess YMMV. I think of a challenging road ...

Senility sucks. So does an essential tremor. I filter almost every day,
usually on a mile long stretch where our local streets are worse than
many 3rd world countries. My FJR is wider than many bikes, adding to the
challenge, and the tremor has gotten worse, along with weaker muscles of
old age. Add it all up and I worry more and more. Thank Ged more people
are more courteous, giving me more room.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 04/11/2021 19:21, Turby wrote:
>
> Senility sucks. So does an essential tremor. I filter almost every day,
> usually on a mile long stretch where our local streets are worse than
> many 3rd world countries. My FJR is wider than many bikes, adding to the
> challenge, and the tremor has gotten worse, along with weaker muscles of
> old age. Add it all up and I worry more and more. Thank Ged more people
> are more courteous, giving me more room.

"Fuck, here comes that wobbly old bastard. Get out of his way!"

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org