<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
can only be over the sentence.

I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.

I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
chase ends badly.

Sylvia.

On 24/2/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>
>
> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
> can only be over the sentence.
>
> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>
> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> chase ends badly.
>

In those circumstances I wouldn't have plead guilty.
A couple of car thieves died by their own hand so I fail to see the problem.

--
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:09:50 +1100, Daryl wrote:

> On 24/2/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.
>>
>
> In those circumstances I wouldn't have plead guilty.
> A couple of car thieves died by their own hand

Except that they didn't.

> so I fail to see the problem.

That's totally unsurprising seeing as you're the utter idiot who failed to
"see the problem" with slamming on your semis' brakes so that a tailgating
(according to you) *car* hit the back of it. I used to think that you were
just dull and thick, now I understand why you're an Enabler. You're nuts.

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On 24/02/2022 7:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/2/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>> been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>> a chase ends badly.
>>
>
> In those circumstances I wouldn't have plead guilty.

Neither would I. He was poorly advised.

> A couple of car thieves died by their own hand so I fail to see the
> problem.

Me either, but I would add that it was a pretty reckless thing to do.
The outcome could have been far worse.

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Noddy.

On 24/02/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>
>
> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
> can only be over the sentence.
>
> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

I think the same law applies to parties involved in illegal street
racing. There have been cases where street races have resulted in one
party crashing and getting killed, and the other party who wasn't
involved in the accident in any way being charged in a similar fashion
as this case.

> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.

No, but that doesn't grant him the right to take the law into his own
hands. As you've just outlined, the guy who's car was stolen was in fact
the one who created the situation that led to the crash.

> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> chase ends badly.

Police are exempt from most laws that apply to average citizens as far
as the road is concerned.

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Regards,
Noddy.

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

> I wonder what legal advice he got.

Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.

> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.

> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
> stolen.

> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> chase ends badly.

Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well over
the speed limit, fool.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 05:10:00 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.
>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>> stolen.
>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.
>
> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well over
> the speed limit, fool.

I wonder why so many nasty narcissists have such low literacy levels?

alvey

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Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>> stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.

> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?

Depends on the heist. Most of the time they are torched
so there is no evidence of who heisted it, particularly
when it is stupid kids doing the heist.

> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about$5000 for it, after
> which it would be re-birthed.

Some are, but most aren't.

Some of the more fancy cars are exported in shipping
containers to the middle east.

> Not bad for a night's work?

On 25/2/2022 7:21 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:45:09 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
> after which it would be re-birthed.
> Not bad for a night's work?

Very difficult to rebirth cars these days, many ways cars and parts can
be identified and many computer records, most car computer components
have the cars vin stored in them.
The car was an SS Commodore, the engine and trans alone is worth more
than $10k but its too easily traced so not easy to sell without proof ot
ownership.

--
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On 25-Feb-22 5:10 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal  can only be over the sentence.
>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

So what? Charge him with speeding then.

The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law, but whether he
caused the deaths and injuries.

>7
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>> been stolen.
>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>> a chase ends badly.
>
> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well
> over the speed limit, fool.

The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html

Sylvia

On 25/02/2022 7:21 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:45:09 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
> after which it would be re-birthed.
> Not bad for a night's work?

organized crime gangs recruit dumbass teens to steal cars for them and
pay them a fee. no skin off the crims noses if the teens get caught.

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On 25/02/2022 10:01 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 25-Feb-22 5:10 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>
>>
>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>>
>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>>
>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal  can only be over the sentence.
>>
>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
> So what? Charge him with speeding then.
>
> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law, but whether he
> caused the deaths and injuries.
>

exactly

>
>> 7
>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>> been stolen.
>>
>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>> when a chase ends badly.
>>
>> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well
>> over the speed limit, fool.
>
> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html
>
>
> Sylvia

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Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
> Peter Jason wrote
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>
>>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>>> can only be over the sentence.
>>>
>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>> chose
>>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>>
>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>> been
>>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>>> stolen.
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>>> a
>>> chase ends badly.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
>> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
>> after which it would be re-birthed.
>> Not bad for a night's work?
>
> Very difficult to rebirth cars these days, many ways cars and parts can
> be identified and many computer records, most car computer components
> have the cars vin stored in them.
> The car was an SS Commodore, the engine and trans alone is worth more
> than $10k but its too easily traced so not easy to sell without proof ot
> ownership.

Very easy to sell without proof of ownership in fact.

The seller with a clue hardly ever gets caught when it is found to have
been stolen.

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.

>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.

>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.

>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

> So what?

So he clearly was driving dangerously
and doing that clearly did cause death.

> Charge him with speeding then.

The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.

> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he
> caused the deaths and injuries.

Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.

>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>> been stolen.

>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>>> a chase ends badly.

>> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well
>> over the speed limit, fool.

> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.

But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
a stolen vehicle, fool.

> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html

Stupider than Anyone Else wrote:
==========================

>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>
> >> I wonder what legal advice he got.
> > >> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.
> >
> >> I have some difficulty understanding ....

** Almost anything - since are completely autistic.

> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law, but whether he
> caused the deaths and injuries.

** The two are inseparable.

The police and courts takes all relevant facts into account - shame you do not.
His driving was criminal, with reckless disregard for life.
He should ( maybe was) have been charged with manslaughter.
He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, likely to avoid a long jail sentence.

...... Phil

On 25/02/2022 10:29 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>
>
>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
>>>  Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal  can only be over the sentence.
>
>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
>>>  He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>> So what?
>
> So he clearly was driving dangerously
> and doing that clearly did cause death.
>
>> Charge him with speeding then.
>
> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.
>
>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he
>> caused the deaths and injuries.
>
> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
> driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.
>

Why didn't the people being chased just stop their car?

What were they worried about?

Did the pursuers threaten them earlier?

>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>>> been stolen.
>
>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>> when a chase ends badly.
>
>>>  Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at
>>> well over the speed limit, fool.
>
>> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.
>
> But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
> a stolen vehicle, fool.
>
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html
>>

On 25/02/2022 10:29 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>
>
>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
>>>  Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.
>
>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning
>>>> grievous harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen
>>>> car who chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
>>>  He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>> So what?
>
> So he clearly was driving dangerously
> and doing that clearly did cause death.
>
>> Charge him with speeding then.
>
> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.
>
>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he 
>> caused the deaths and injuries.
>
> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
> driving that fast if he had not persued them,

that's irrelevant. that's the same argument as saying a woman wouldn't
have been raped if she wasn't where she was at the time

> fool.

yes you are

>
>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>>> been stolen.
>
>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>> when a chase ends badly.
>
>>>  Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at
>>> well over the speed limit, fool.
>
>> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.
>
> But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
> a stolen vehicle, fool.
>
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html
>>

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Yosemite Sam wrote:
=================
>
> > Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
> > driving that fast if he had not persued them,
>
> that's irrelevant. that's the same argument as saying a woman wouldn't
> have been raped if she wasn't where she was at the time

** No way is that the same.

...... Phil

On 25/2/2022 10:29 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>
>
>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
>>>  Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal  can only be over the sentence.
>
>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
>>>  He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>> So what?
>
> So he clearly was driving dangerously
> and doing that clearly did cause death.
>
>> Charge him with speeding then.
>
> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.
>

There was certainly deaths but no one knows how the car thieves would
have driven even if they weren't being chased.

>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he
>> caused the deaths and injuries.
>
> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
> driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.

Maybe.
The sentence was short so it appears the magistrate didn't apportion all
the blame to the chasing driver.

--
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On 25/2/2022 10:25 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>> Peter Jason wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>>>> can only be over the sentence.
>>>>
>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>> chose
>>>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>>>
>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>> been
>>>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>>>> stolen.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>> when a
>>>> chase ends badly.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>  What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
>>> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
>>> after which it would be re-birthed.
>>> Not bad for a night's work?
>>
>> Very difficult to rebirth cars these days, many ways cars and parts
>> can be identified and many computer records, most car computer
>> components have the cars vin stored in them.
>> The car was an SS Commodore, the engine and trans alone is worth more
>> than $10k but its too easily traced so not easy to sell without proof
>> ot ownership.
>
> Very easy to sell without proof of ownership in fact.

Its not difficult to find fools to part with their money.
>
> The seller with a clue hardly ever gets caught when it is found to have
> been stolen.

Most likely because few Police resources are put toward catching people
who commit such crimes.
--
Daryl

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

>>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.

>>>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you
>>>> do.

>>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.

>>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

>>>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

>>> So what?

>> So he clearly was driving dangerously
>> and doing that clearly did cause death.

>>> Charge him with speeding then.

>> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.

>>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,
>>> but whether he caused the deaths and injuries.

>> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
>> driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.

> Why didn't the people being chased just stop their car?

Because they had stolen his car, stupid.

> What were they worried about?

Getting fucked over by the car owner, stupid.

> Did the pursuers threaten them earlier?

Only a fool like you would have stopped if he hadnt done that.

>>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>>>> been stolen.

>>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>>> when a chase ends badly.

>>>> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at
>>>> well over the speed limit, fool.

>>> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.

>> But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
>> a stolen vehicle, fool.

>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html

Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

>>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.

>>>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you
>>>> do.

>>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.

>>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

>>>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>>> So what?

>> So he clearly was driving dangerously
>> and doing that clearly did cause death.

>>> Charge him with speeding then.

>> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.

>>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking thelaw,but whether he
>>> caused the deaths and injuries.

>> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
>> driving that fast if he had not persued them,

> that's irrelevant.

Bullshit it is.

> that's the same argument as saying a woman wouldn't have been raped if
> she wasn't where she was at the time

Bullshit it is.

>> fool.

> yes you are

You are pathetic and a fool.

>>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>>>> been stolen.

>>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>>> when a chase ends badly.

>>>> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at
>>>> well over the speed limit, fool.

>>> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.

>> But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
>> a stolen vehicle, fool.

>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

>>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.

>>>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you
>>>> do.

>>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.

>>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

>>>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

>>> So what?

>> So he clearly was driving dangerously
>> and doing that clearly did cause death.

>>> Charge him with speeding then.

>> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.

> There was certainly deaths but no one knows how the car thieves would
> have driven even if they weren't being chased.

That's bullshit. Only a fool would attempt a roundabout
at 150kmph when not being pursued.

>>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he
>>> caused the deaths and injuries.

>> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
>> driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.

> Maybe.

No maybe about it.

> The sentence was short so it appears the magistratedidn't apportion all
> the blame to the chasing driver.

The length of the sentenence isnt determined by the blame.

Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>>> Peter Jason wrote
>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any
>>>>> appeal can only be over the sentence.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>>>>
>>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>>> been
>>>>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>>>>> stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>>> when a
>>>>> chase ends badly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
>>>> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
>>>> after which it would be re-birthed.
>>>> Not bad for a night's work?
>>>
>>> Very difficult to rebirth cars these days, many ways cars and parts
>>> can be identified and many computer records, most car computer
>>> components have the cars vin stored in them.
>>> The car was an SS Commodore, the engine and trans alone is worth more
>>> than $10k but its too easily traced so not easy to sell without proof
>>> ot ownership.

>> Very easy to sell without proof of ownership in fact.

> Its not difficult to find fools to part with their money.

Not just fool, also those that want a car at a decent price.

>> The seller with a clue hardly ever gets caughtwhen it is found to have
>> been stolen.

> Most likely because few Police resources are put toward catching people
> who commit such crimes.

Not police recources, its the registry people who dont
carefully check all the vins on a vehicle being registered.

Thats the only way you can catch those stolen vehicles
and if they have been bought for cash on facebook etc,
no chance of catching the thief, so even the registry
people dont bother to put much effort into that.

On 25/02/2022 11:47 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of
>>>>>> negligent driving occasioning death and negligent driving
>>>>>> occasioning grievous harm, since in both cases, it was the driver
>>>>>> of the stolen car who chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
>>>>>  He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>>
>>>> So what?
>
>>> So he clearly was driving dangerously
>>> and doing that clearly did cause death.
>
>>>> Charge him with speeding then.
>
>>> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.
>
>>>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking thelaw, but whether
>>>> he caused the deaths and injuries.
>
>>> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
>>> driving that fast if he had not persued them,
>
>> that's irrelevant.
>
> Bullshit it is.

look up proximate cause vs direct cause. it's many years since i studied
this stuff so the nuances escape me, but the fact remains that the teens
were the cause of their own demise because they would still be alive if
they hadn't stolen the car.

>
>> that's the same argument as saying a woman wouldn't have been raped
>> if she wasn't where she was at the time
>
> Bullshit it is.

of course it is. "They wouldn't have been driving that fast if he had
not pursued them" vs "she wouldn't have been raped if she'd not been there"

according to your rationale women are responsible for being raped and
not victims. try running that argument past any jury

>
>>> fool.
>
>> yes you are
>
> You are pathetic and a fool.

i could never hope to achieve your high status in that regard

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