On 11/10/2021 13:24, ogden wrote:
> Cab wrote:
>> Higgins wibbled:
>>> sweller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I have a half marathon on Sunday -
>>>> 1h 49m 57s
>>>
>>> Pretty good, I never did get below 2 hours.
>>
>> Same here. I'm just happy to finish.
>
> I'm happy not to even start.
>
<ding>

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On 11/10/2021 13:50, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 3:43:08 AM UTC-4, Eddie wrote:
>
>>> It was a Pastisathon at 1am
>> Oooof. The morning of the race? That makes your HM time significantly
>> more impressive.
>
> A couple of years ago a guy on my team flew back to Seattle from Brazil (which was three flights - 8 hours to Florida, 4 to Texas and then 4 to Seattle), landed at 11.30pm local, drove home, went to bed. Got up at 6am and went to the start-line for a half. Ouch.
>

I was in the pub with someone a few weeks ago, after a couple of beers
he then drove to the south lakes, camped (and it rained) and did a 1/2.

I reckon your guy had more sleep.

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On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:56:59 AM UTC-4, YTC#1 wrote:

> I was in the pub with someone a few weeks ago, after a couple of beers
> he then drove to the south lakes, camped (and it rained) and did a 1/2.
>
> I reckon your guy had more sleep.

You might be right. Camping is not for civilized people.

On 11/10/2021 23:50, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:56:59 AM UTC-4, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> I was in the pub with someone a few weeks ago, after a couple of beers
>> he then drove to the south lakes, camped (and it rained) and did a 1/2.
>>
>> I reckon your guy had more sleep.
>
> You might be right. Camping is not for civilized people.
>

Sometimes needs must (Mongolia for example).

I can live with warm and dry, just about with cold and dry. But cold and
wet ...... urrrgghhh

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On Tuesday, 12 October 2021 at 09:41:07 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 23:50, Ben Blaney wrote:
> > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:56:59 AM UTC-4, YTC#1 wrote:
> >
> >> I was in the pub with someone a few weeks ago, after a couple of beers
> >> he then drove to the south lakes, camped (and it rained) and did a 1/2.
> >>
> >> I reckon your guy had more sleep.
> >
> > You might be right. Camping is not for civilized people.
> >
> Sometimes needs must (Mongolia for example).
>
> I can live with warm and dry, just about with cold and dry. But cold and
> wet ...... urrrgghhh

I like camping, but having decent kit is essential and it took a while to work out
what works well for me, five things were key:
- sleeping support that keeps you off the ground, I use a camp bed that packs up small.
- good sleeping bag with separate liner.
- decent cooking equipment (trangria)
- decent chair to sit in.
- a tent that has a separate ground sheet and an 'inner' that can be taken down
(and packed!) independently from the fly sheet so you have a chance of not getting
the bit you're in touch with absolutely saturated during a days riding if you put it down
when it's wet.

On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Tuesday, 12 October 2021 at 09:41:07 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 23:50, Ben Blaney wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:56:59 AM UTC-4, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was in the pub with someone a few weeks ago, after a couple of beers
>>>> he then drove to the south lakes, camped (and it rained) and did a 1/2.
>>>>
>>>> I reckon your guy had more sleep.
>>>
>>> You might be right. Camping is not for civilized people.
>>>
>> Sometimes needs must (Mongolia for example).
>>
>> I can live with warm and dry, just about with cold and dry. But cold and
>> wet ...... urrrgghhh
>
> I like camping, but having decent kit is essential and it took a while to work out
> what works well for me, five things were key:
> - sleeping support that keeps you off the ground, I use a camp bed that packs up small.
Not found one small and light enough to travel with. We use Thermarests.

> - good sleeping bag with separate liner.

Again, size issues. The smallest/lightest are usually too hot for some
countries. We have often ended up carrying a sheet to join the
thermarests and a decent sleeping bag to put on top. A hime made double
bed :-)

> - decent cooking equipment (trangria)
Used them for years, but would have had trouble getting fuel in the
Americas, so switched to petrol and now also good old butane mix. (Not
found anywhere that has not been available.... yet). Really need a
JetBoil though :-)

> - decent chair to sit in.
Again, weight/size issues.

> - a tent that has a separate ground sheet and an 'inner' that can be taken down
> (and packed!) independently from the fly sheet so you have a chance of not getting
> the bit you're in touch with absolutely saturated during a days riding if you put it down
> when it's wet.

All the above (IME) easier with a car. In which case we take the
Berlingo with the awning :-)

>

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On 12/10/2021 12:36, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
>> - sleeping support that keeps you off the ground, I use a camp bed
>> that packs up small.
> Not found one small and light enough to travel with. We use Thermarests.

I've got a cot that's essentially a knock-off Thermarest, like a cross
between these two:
https://www.thermarest.com/ie/cots/cots

Very comfortable, packs down small and light. Think I paid about £40 for
it. Bargain.

>> - decent chair to sit in.
> Again, weight/size issues.

Knock-off Helinox. About £15.

Cheapskate? Me? Rather.

If either of them eventually break, I'll probably spend the money on the
genuine article, but they'll do for now.

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On Tuesday, 12 October 2021 at 12:36:36 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
> > I like camping, but having decent kit is essential and it took a while to work out
> > what works well for me, five things were key:
> > - sleeping support that keeps you off the ground, I use a camp bed that packs up small.
> Not found one small and light enough to travel with. We use Thermarests.

I've used the Thermarest 'luxurylite' cot. It's about the same size and weight as a thermarest.

> > - good sleeping bag with separate liner.
> Again, size issues. The smallest/lightest are usually too hot for some
> countries. We have often ended up carrying a sheet to join the
> thermarests and a decent sleeping bag to put on top. A hime made double
> bed :-)

Cotton liner is next to no size and good enough to sleep in when it's warm.
My feather summer-weight bag packs down to little more space than a large
can of beer.

> > - decent cooking equipment (trangria)
> Used them for years, but would have had trouble getting fuel in the
> Americas, so switched to petrol and now also good old butane mix. (Not
> found anywhere that has not been available.... yet). Really need a
> JetBoil though :-)

Trangia also have a gas burner option that fits into the kettle (made by Primus
I think). Or petrol, if you want petrol it needs the separate pressurised container
to deliver petrol to the evaporator.

> > - decent chair to sit in.
> Again, weight/size issues.

Helinox, or clone.

> > - a tent that has a separate ground sheet and an 'inner' that can be taken down
> > (and packed!) independently from the fly sheet so you have a chance of not getting
> > the bit you're in touch with absolutely saturated during a days riding if you put it down
> > when it's wet.
> All the above (IME) easier with a car. In which case we take the
> Berlingo with the awning :-)

I wouldn't question it's easier with a car, but then it's about the destination rather than the
journey.

On 12/10/2021 13:42, Eddie wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 12:36, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>> - sleeping support that keeps you off the ground, I use a camp bed
>>> that packs up small.
>> Not found one small and light enough to travel with. We use Thermarests.
>
> I've got a cot that's essentially a knock-off Thermarest, like a cross
> between these two:
> https://www.thermarest.com/ie/cots/cots
>
> Very comfortable, packs down small and light. Think I paid about £40 for
> it. Bargain.
>
Packaged Weight (Metric) 1.19 kg 1.35 kg

V
Weight (Metric) 0.35 kg 0.51 kg 0.69 kg

It all adds up.

However the packed dimensions are only 10cm, worth a ponder.

>>> - decent chair to sit in.
>> Again, weight/size issues.
>
> Knock-off Helinox. About £15.

Got a link? I've tried a few small cheap chairs, they are not
strong/well built.
>
>
> Cheapskate? Me? Rather.
>
> If either of them eventually break, I'll probably spend the money on the
> genuine article, but they'll do for now.
>

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On 12/10/2021 15:22, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Tuesday, 12 October 2021 at 12:36:36 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>> I like camping, but having decent kit is essential and it took a while to work out
>>> what works well for me, five things were key:
>>> - sleeping support that keeps you off the ground, I use a camp bed that packs up small.
>> Not found one small and light enough to travel with. We use Thermarests.
>
> I've used the Thermarest 'luxurylite' cot. It's about the same size and weight as a thermarest.
>
>>> - good sleeping bag with separate liner.
>> Again, size issues. The smallest/lightest are usually too hot for some
>> countries. We have often ended up carrying a sheet to join the
>> thermarests and a decent sleeping bag to put on top. A hime made double
>> bed :-)
>
> Cotton liner is next to no size and good enough to sleep in when it's warm.

Yep, done that.

> My feather summer-weight bag packs down to little more space than a large
> can of beer.

We had a couple (once), didn't like them.
>
>>> - decent cooking equipment (trangria)
>> Used them for years, but would have had trouble getting fuel in the
>> Americas, so switched to petrol and now also good old butane mix. (Not
>> found anywhere that has not been available.... yet). Really need a
>> JetBoil though :-)
>
> Trangia also have a gas burner option that fits into the kettle (made by Primus
> I think). Or petrol, if you want petrol it needs the separate pressurised container
> to deliver petrol to the evaporator.
>
>
>>> - decent chair to sit in.
>> Again, weight/size issues.
>
> Helinox, or clone.
>
>>> - a tent that has a separate ground sheet and an 'inner' that can be taken down
>>> (and packed!) independently from the fly sheet so you have a chance of not getting
>>> the bit you're in touch with absolutely saturated during a days riding if you put it down
>>> when it's wet.
>> All the above (IME) easier with a car. In which case we take the
>> Berlingo with the awning :-)
>
> I wouldn't question it's easier with a car, but then it's about the destination rather than the
> journey.
>

And comfort :-)

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On 12/10/2021 17:43, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 13:42, Eddie wrote:
>> On 12/10/2021 12:36, YTC#1 wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
>
>>>> - decent chair to sit in.
>>> Again, weight/size issues.
>>
>> Knock-off Helinox. About £15.
>
> Got a link? I've tried a few small cheap chairs, they are not
> strong/well built.

Something vaguely like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373594332059

It hasn't collapsed underneath me yet.

Genuine Helinox is rather more expensive:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121534021895

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On 10/11/2021 3:50 PM, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:56:59 AM UTC-4, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> I was in the pub with someone a few weeks ago, after a couple of beers
>> he then drove to the south lakes, camped (and it rained) and did a 1/2.
>>
>> I reckon your guy had more sleep.
>
> You might be right. Camping is not for civilized people.
>
OTOH, getting more than a day's walk away from the nearest motor vehicle
is usually an amazing experience. It good to see what humans are trying
to destroy.

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On 12/10/2021 18:30, Eddie wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 17:43, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 12/10/2021 13:42, Eddie wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2021 12:36, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>
>>>>> - decent chair to sit in.
>>>> Again, weight/size issues.
>>>
>>> Knock-off Helinox. About £15.
>>
>> Got a link? I've tried a few small cheap chairs, they are not
>> strong/well built.
>
> Something vaguely like this:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373594332059

Ordered
>
> It hasn't collapsed underneath me yet.
>
> Genuine Helinox is rather more expensive:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121534021895
>

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YTC#1 wrote:

> > - sleeping support that keeps you off the ground, I use a camp bed
> > that packs up small.

> Not found one small and light enough to travel with. We use
> Thermarests.

This is what Steve, Mark and I use and it packs pretty much the same
size as a rolled up thermarest mat.

https://www.thermarest.com/ie/products/cots/mesh-cot/mesh-cot.html

> > - decent chair to sit in.
> Again, weight/size issues.

https://helinox.eu/collections/all-chairs/products/chair-zero?variant=39395031318606

There are Chinese knock-offs available for about £30

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On 12/10/2021 18:30, Eddie wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 17:43, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 12/10/2021 13:42, Eddie wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2021 12:36, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>
>>>>> - decent chair to sit in.
>>>> Again, weight/size issues.
>>>
>>> Knock-off Helinox. About £15.
>>
>> Got a link? I've tried a few small cheap chairs, they are not
>> strong/well built.
>
> Something vaguely like this:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373594332059
>

But it weighs 150Kg!
:-)

> It hasn't collapsed underneath me yet.
>
> Genuine Helinox is rather more expensive:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121534021895
>

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On 13/10/2021 10:37, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 18:30, Eddie wrote:
>>
>> Something vaguely like this:
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373594332059
>
> But it weighs 150Kg!
> :-)

Weight capacity: 330lbs / 150kg

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On 12/10/2021 18:30, Eddie wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 17:43, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 12/10/2021 13:42, Eddie wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2021 12:36, YTC#1 wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/2021 11:18, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>
>>>>> - decent chair to sit in.
>>>> Again, weight/size issues.
>>>
>>> Knock-off Helinox. About £15.
>>
>> Got a link? I've tried a few small cheap chairs, they are not
>> strong/well built.
>
> Something vaguely like this:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373594332059
>
> It hasn't collapsed underneath me yet.
>
> Genuine Helinox is rather more expensive:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121534021895
>
Kinnell! I was out van camping in Lincolnshire the other week and
tried out one of these belonging to some friends. I now see why they
were offended when, after a while, I said I'd rather sit on a plastic
bag on the ground :-)

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On 13 Oct 2021 08:19:14 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>This is what Steve, Mark and I use and it packs pretty much the same
>size as a rolled up thermarest mat.
>
>https://www.thermarest.com/ie/products/cots/mesh-cot/mesh-cot.html

To be clear; we have one each.

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Mark Roberts <mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
news:f0aemg99jr7hgnlm722umpmquc6k7aevmc@4ax.com:

> On 13 Oct 2021 08:19:14 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>This is what Steve, Mark and I use and it packs pretty much the same
>>size as a rolled up thermarest mat.
>>
>>https://www.thermarest.com/ie/products/cots/mesh-cot/mesh-cot.html
>
>
> To be clear; we have one each.
>

I really don't think anyone was imagining a bit of DILFing going on. If
they were then it would be a very niche taste they have.

On Wednesday, 13 October 2021 at 20:09:11 UTC+1, wessie wrote:
> Mark Roberts <ma...@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
> news:f0aemg99jr7hgnlm7...@4ax.com:
> > On 13 Oct 2021 08:19:14 GMT, "sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>This is what Steve, Mark and I use and it packs pretty much the same
> >>size as a rolled up thermarest mat.
> >>
> >>https://www.thermarest.com/ie/products/cots/mesh-cot/mesh-cot.html
> >
> >
> > To be clear; we have one each.
> >
> I really don't think anyone was imagining a bit of DILFing going on. If
> they were then it would be a very niche taste they have.

Lemon party springs to mind for some reason.

On 10/13/2021 12:09 PM, wessie wrote:
> Mark Roberts <mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
> news:f0aemg99jr7hgnlm722umpmquc6k7aevmc@4ax.com:
>
>> On 13 Oct 2021 08:19:14 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> This is what Steve, Mark and I use and it packs pretty much the same
>>> size as a rolled up thermarest mat.
>>>
>>> https://www.thermarest.com/ie/products/cots/mesh-cot/mesh-cot.html
>>
>>
>> To be clear; we have one each.
>>
>
> I really don't think anyone was imagining a bit of DILFing going on. If
> they were then it would be a very niche taste they have.
>
"Niche." Don't think I've heard it called that before.

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:40:48 +0100, Mark Roberts
<mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On 13 Oct 2021 08:19:14 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>This is what Steve, Mark and I use and it packs pretty much the same
>>size as a rolled up thermarest mat.
>>
>>https://www.thermarest.com/ie/products/cots/mesh-cot/mesh-cot.html

>To be clear; we have one each.

heh
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El Tue, 12 Oct 2021 03:18:04 -0700, Stephen Packer escribió:

> I like camping, but having decent kit is essential and it took a while
> to work out what works well for me, five things were key:
> - sleeping support that keeps you off the ground

I faintly remember camping at Snetterton once. No idea why. I think it
was Summer, but I ended up sleeping in the car because the ground was
hard and freezing cold.

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On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:32:58 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 11:06:58 +0100, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>
>>> As it's (mostly) off-road, I hope it's not too wet (=muddy, =slippy)
>>> for you going downhill
>
>>All part of the fun.
>
>It's odd - while I'm very comfortable sliding around on a mountain
>bike, dirt bike, snowboard (well, obviously), etc, I seem to have a
>particular fear/horror of losing my footing when walking (or running)
>downhill

Something just reminded me of this thread, a memory of a ski/snowboard
run down the "Galtiberg" route in Engelberg, me, Neal, his mate Iain
and a mad Russian skier alled Albert. There's one place on the run
where some mountain guides will rig up a rope for their group,
largely, I've always felt, to increase the clients' perception of how
extreme a run they've done.

We weren't having any of that crap, of course, and Albert mentioned to
Neal and Iain, who hadn't done the route before, that it was a
particularly awkward right-hand turn with a cliff just underneath it,
and I recalled that it had been said of that run that it wasn't
difficult except for that one turn where if you fell and slid you
would die.

Turns out that in fact you could fuck up the turn and survive. Neal
managed it OK on his toe edge, but Iain was on his heals and fluffed
it, sliding about half way to the cliff before managing to control it.

Didn't seem that bothered afterwards, on the basis, I guess, of "I
survived, so it obviously wasn't that dengerous".

Epic run, mind, one of many extreme off piste descents there.

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:20:23 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

<snip Galtiberg memory>

>Epic run, mind, one of many extreme off piste descents there.

Wasn't it just!
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