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From: daniele-...@invalid.com (D.M. Procida)
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 by: D.M. Procida - Sat, 5 Feb 2022 17:44 UTC

.... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
(it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
upload to iCloud.

.... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.

It's quite odd. This is with a new Photos library. The previously library
*did* successfully upload the same items (which are mostly TIFFs produced by a
Nikon slide scanner, and Pentax RAW files).

Daniele

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 by: Andy Hewitt - Sat, 5 Feb 2022 23:08 UTC

On 05/02/2022 17:44, D.M. Procida wrote:
> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
> upload to iCloud.
>
> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>
> It's quite odd. This is with a new Photos library. The previously library
> *did* successfully upload the same items (which are mostly TIFFs produced by a
> Nikon slide scanner, and Pentax RAW files).

Smart albums won't sync to iCloud, they're not supported in the iCloud
system, or on any mobile devices. In that case it doesn't need to tell
you any more information, it's not supported at all, so they won't
upload at all. These only work on the desktop versions locally (FWIW,
Lightroom also doesn't support cloud based smart albums either - just
mentioning that just so you realise it's not just Apple Photos being
crap at this).

If original files aren't uploading, then I'm not sure why if they
already uploaded OK before.

It still seems to me that you're lacking patience, which I've mentioned
a few times now. iCloud does take time to sort itself out, and as I've
already said, it does do more in the background other than the
uploading/downloading stuff. You may need to delay importing and
uploading new photos for a few hours, to allow iCloud to sort out it's
caches and such like (not sure if this is happening for definite, but
it's a possibility).

It's certainly possible that caches of those particular files are
hanging around and are being confused by the upload of replacement files.

There are too many questions here. Are the source files coming from the
same places, or are you importing them from differing locations. For
example you originally attempted an Aperture migration, but now tried a
new library, are these accessing the same original files, or are they
from another source? If the latter, then it's possible that some files
may have slightly different metadata, or there could be corruption on
the other drive unit. Any of which could upset Photos recognition of
those files. Or are you still insisting on migrating from the Aperture
library?

Are you sure that the Raw files are fully supported by Apple OS?

If you want to start afresh, I'd clear all the device libraries, turn
off iCloud Photos for now, and start back at the master device, import
and organise that library on the local machine, allow it to curate until
it says 'Updated Just Now' at the bottom of the 'All Photos' view.

Then turn on iCloud on that machine first, and allow that to fully
upload, again until it says 'Updated Just Now'.

Check in a web browser that the cloud account is updated and matches the
local machine.

Then turn on each device, one at at time, until they have updated fully.

If that doesn't work, then I've no idea, but I'd suspect you could have
something there that's screwing with the iCloud and Photos library
systems (do you use VPN, alternative DNS servers, AV software, Firewall
software etc.?) You could have a dodgy HDD, or USB hub/cable/enclosure,
or anything like that. There's so many possible causes, or it could just
be bad luck that you've got an iCloud system that just doesn't seem to
work well for you.

--
Andy H

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 by: Ray - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:36 UTC

On 5 Feb 2022 at 17:44:28 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
<daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
> upload to iCloud.
>
> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>
> It's quite odd. This is with a new Photos library. The previously library
> *did* successfully upload the same items (which are mostly TIFFs produced by a
> Nikon slide scanner, and Pentax RAW files).
>
> Daniele

This thread convinces me I'm right not to use anything that locks my photos in
a proprietary database.
I keep them in folders accessible in the finder. Any application used for
editing uses those folders, all on an external hard drive.
They are not fiddled about with by any cloud storage nonsense that's supposed
to make my life easier.

--
Admit nothing, even on your deathbed.
You might suddenly get better.

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 by: Alan B - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 08:57 UTC

On 2022-02-06, Ray <amos-jones@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2022 at 17:44:28 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
><daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
>> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
>> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
>> upload to iCloud.
>>
>> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>>
>> It's quite odd. This is with a new Photos library. The previously library
>> *did* successfully upload the same items (which are mostly TIFFs produced by a
>> Nikon slide scanner, and Pentax RAW files).
>>
>> Daniele
>
> This thread convinces me I'm right not to use anything that locks my photos in
> a proprietary database.
> I keep them in folders accessible in the finder. Any application used for
> editing uses those folders, all on an external hard drive.
> They are not fiddled about with by any cloud storage nonsense that's supposed
> to make my life easier.

I'll second that. Yes I do keep some unimportant images in Photos so I can easily access
them from my Macs and iOS/iPadOS devices via iCloud. But images (and other stuff) I
really would not like to lose I archive to a dedicated external drive which I also backup.
Note that I do not use TM for the latter as it is not an archiving mechanism.

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: Alan B - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:04 UTC

On 2022-02-06, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:

[snip]

> But images (and other stuff) I really would not like to lose I archive to a dedicated
> external drive which I also backup.

I guess "duplicate" is a better word to use rather than "backup" in this context!!!

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: Andy Hewitt - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 10:08 UTC

On 06/02/2022 08:36, Ray wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2022 at 17:44:28 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
>> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
>> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
>> upload to iCloud.
>>
>> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>>
>> It's quite odd. This is with a new Photos library. The previously library
>> *did* successfully upload the same items (which are mostly TIFFs produced by a
>> Nikon slide scanner, and Pentax RAW files).
>>
>> Daniele
>
> This thread convinces me I'm right not to use anything that locks my photos in
> a proprietary database.
> I keep them in folders accessible in the finder. Any application used for
> editing uses those folders, all on an external hard drive.
> They are not fiddled about with by any cloud storage nonsense that's supposed
> to make my life easier.

It might be working better if Daniele tried some of the procedures I
suggested (more than once).

But yes, I agree, use the Photos library and iCloud as a tool, not as a
sole method of storage of important images.

Mine is working just fine here, so I'm happy with it. Using the process
I suggested to ensure it's a properly clean install.

--
Andy H

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 by: Andy Hewitt - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 10:16 UTC

On 06/02/2022 08:57, Alan B wrote:
> On 2022-02-06, Ray <amos-jones@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On 5 Feb 2022 at 17:44:28 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
>> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
>>> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
>>> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
>>> upload to iCloud.
>>>
>>> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>>>
>>> It's quite odd. This is with a new Photos library. The previously library
>>> *did* successfully upload the same items (which are mostly TIFFs produced by a
>>> Nikon slide scanner, and Pentax RAW files).
>>>
>>> Daniele
>>
>> This thread convinces me I'm right not to use anything that locks my photos in
>> a proprietary database.
>> I keep them in folders accessible in the finder. Any application used for
>> editing uses those folders, all on an external hard drive.
>> They are not fiddled about with by any cloud storage nonsense that's supposed
>> to make my life easier.
>
> I'll second that. Yes I do keep some unimportant images in Photos so I can easily access
> them from my Macs and iOS/iPadOS devices via iCloud. But images (and other stuff) I
> really would not like to lose I archive to a dedicated external drive which I also backup.
> Note that I do not use TM for the latter as it is not an archiving mechanism.

I just keep a complete duplicate of my photos on a separate drive (and
have mentioned this more than once before), as I honestly don't entirely
trust the proprietary database system either.

However, if you can get it to work well, then it is a much more
powerful, easier and more convenient way to handle a non-destructive Raw
image workflow. Trying this using a standard folder structure, is more
fiddly, and can consume much more storage space (people say it's cheap,
but not necessarily to everybody, especially once you factor in
duplicates for backups).

But despite that, I do have Photos in my iCloud, as well as on an
external HDD connected to my old iMac. This is also included in my Time
Machine. And I have the additional external HDD with an archive
duplicate copy of all my images, which is also copied to a second drive
as a backup.

So storage may be cheap, but the cost adds up when you have multiple
drives dedicated to different purposes.

--
Andy H

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 by: RJH - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 11:22 UTC

On 6 Feb 2022 at 10:08:25 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

> On 06/02/2022 08:36, Ray wrote:
>> On 5 Feb 2022 at 17:44:28 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
>> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
>>> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
>>> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
>>> upload to iCloud.
>>>
>>> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>>>
>>> It's quite odd. This is with a new Photos library. The previously library
>>> *did* successfully upload the same items (which are mostly TIFFs produced by a
>>> Nikon slide scanner, and Pentax RAW files).
>>>
>>> Daniele
>>
>> This thread convinces me I'm right not to use anything that locks my photos in
>> a proprietary database.
>> I keep them in folders accessible in the finder. Any application used for
>> editing uses those folders, all on an external hard drive.
>> They are not fiddled about with by any cloud storage nonsense that's supposed
>> to make my life easier.
>
> It might be working better if Daniele tried some of the procedures I
> suggested (more than once).
>
> But yes, I agree, use the Photos library and iCloud as a tool, not as a
> sole method of storage of important images.
>
> Mine is working just fine here, so I'm happy with it. Using the process
> I suggested to ensure it's a properly clean install.

Excuse the hijack, but I've just been looking at the Photos 'file'. I keep a
backup on a NAS. If I copy/paste the iMac based file onto the NAS, does it
only add new and amended files, or does it overwrite the whole thing?

Incidentally, I posted here a while back about moving the SSD-based Photos
library on to an external drive. I did it using a generic USB3 caddy and an
SSD. Seems to work perfectly with no lagginess.
--
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 by: Andy Hewitt - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 12:57 UTC

On 06/02/2022 11:22, RJH wrote:
> On 6 Feb 2022 at 10:08:25 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

>> But yes, I agree, use the Photos library and iCloud as a tool, not as a
>> sole method of storage of important images.
>>
>> Mine is working just fine here, so I'm happy with it. Using the process
>> I suggested to ensure it's a properly clean install.
>
> Excuse the hijack, but I've just been looking at the Photos 'file'. I keep a
> backup on a NAS. If I copy/paste the iMac based file onto the NAS, does it
> only add new and amended files, or does it overwrite the whole thing?

I don't think that'll work, but something like SuperDuper or
CarbonCopyCloner might work (I believe SuperDuper can update a Photos
library rather than fully overwrite it - I mention that, as it's only
SuperDuper I own).

It's not something I've tried myself. I did try using an NAS some years
ago, but back then they're weren't stable on a Mac (not for the price I
could afford for the NAS anyway), so I abandoned it.

Besides, my home network just wouldn't benefit from an NAS, so it's cost
and complexity that simply isn't justified here.

> Incidentally, I posted here a while back about moving the SSD-based Photos
> library on to an external drive. I did it using a generic USB3 caddy and an
> SSD. Seems to work perfectly with no lagginess.

Yes, I have done the same too, although I was using an 'optimised'
library on my SSD (as the library is too large to fit onto the SSD). I
rebuilt it onto the external drive, and set it to store locally. So far
it has been OK too.

--
Andy H

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 by: D.M. Procida - Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:26 UTC

.... you could select more than one album at a time.

Daniele

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 by: Andy Hewitt - Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:54 UTC

on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
> ... you could select more than one album at a time.

Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
on trying to find everything it can't do!

It's starting to look like a Photos bashing sessions

For sure it's not perfect, but put Photos into the right context. It's a
free photo organising and editing app, that does OK at what it was
designed for.

It was initially not planned to make use of folders and albums. The
intention was to make sure of the automated Year/Month/Days/All tags,
and allow it to apply smart keywords. It's not actually that bad at
those really.

It's also got an fairly OK editor too, and with non-destructive editing,
virtual copies and integration with external apps, it's pretty powerful
for a consumer level freebie.

If you need more, 'better', or different features, then look elsewhere.

--
Andy H

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 by: D.M. Procida - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:38 UTC

On 7 Feb 2022 at 22:54:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

> on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
>> ... you could select more than one album at a time.
>
> Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
> on trying to find everything it can't do!

Are you serious?

Daniele

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 by: Ian McCall - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:07 UTC

On 8 Feb 2022, D.M. Procida wrote
(in article <j6eoguFrrkfU1@mid.individual.net>):

> On 7 Feb 2022 at 22:54:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt"<thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> > on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
> > > ... you could select more than one album at a time.
> >
> > Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
> > on trying to find everything it can't do!
>
> Are you serious?
>
> Daniele

Just to sail in on this thread...

We now have AI scanning on phones, but it can’t find the CPU power to
replicate smart albums. iPhoto used to be able to hide faces, -not- delete
them, but we lost that too in the rush to make it like iOS version and the
feature never came back. And the way in which you scan for faces is very poor
- you have to know to look at particular shots and go adding manually,
there’s no “Identity missing faces” like their used to be.

Playing/dealing with Live Photos is easy on the phone, completely unintuitive
on the Mac.

I kind of agree - Photos feels neglected. Superficially cool, but not
actually progressing usefully.

Cheers,
Ian

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 by: D.M. Procida - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:32 UTC

On 8 Feb 2022 at 09:07:43 GMT, "Ian McCall" <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:

> Superficially cool

Ouch. That hurts a bit.

That was the jibe that was levelled at the Macintosh since 1984. Those of us
who actually got the Macintosh way realised that those people were wrong.

What we were seeing and thrilled with was something deeply cool, not
superficially cool - because the deepest fundamentals of it were solidly right
in new and significant ways.

You can't blame Apple for not being able to keep doing that, you can only
invent the same thing once. But at least you can make sure you didn't forget
the solidly right fundamentals while looking for new ways to do other things
better,

It seems obvious now, but "deeply cool" is having consistent, intuitive ways
to manage the selection of multiple items. How to manage multiple selection of
objects in a graphical user interface wasn't obvious in the 1980s.

In 2022, not even being able to select multiple items looks like someone was
so busy trying to do to something meretricious that they forgot some of the
absolute basics.

Daniele

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 by: Ian McCall - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:06 UTC

On 8 Feb 2022, D.M. Procida wrote
(in article <j6erlnFsekaU1@mid.individual.net>):

> On 8 Feb 2022 at 09:07:43 GMT, "Ian McCall"<ian@eruvia.org> wrote:
>
> > Superficially cool
>
> Ouch. That hurts a bit.
>
> That was the jibe that was levelled at the Macintosh since 1984. Those of us
> who actually got the Macintosh way realised that those people were wrong.
>
> What we were seeing and thrilled with was something deeply cool, not
> superficially cool - because the deepest fundamentals of it were solidly right
> in new and significant ways.

Absolutely. I’ve been a user, on and off, since about 1988. I think the Mac
system is great and loads of the criticisms levelled against are missing the
point that it’s designed to -do- things, not hide them. And right now I’m
sitting on a full Unix machine with a pretty front end and nice applications
with good integration.

So it pains me to see bits of it falling apart from neglect. Simple stuff on
QA - Contacts app with a phone icon that doesn’t actually do anything if
you select it. But also the loss of features from the rush to iOS which then
never come back, Photos being an outstanding one. iMovie I no longer
understand, but then I don’t need to use it much so maybe I would if I
concentrated on it.

Even things like FaceTime - compared to say WebEx or Zoom or what have you,
it’s well behind on visual privacy features such as fake backgrounds etc..
And putting the ability to blur only, and only on M1-based Macs, is just
hilarious. Their own iMovie has been able to green screen for multiple years
on CPUs/GPUs far more weak, so there’s no excuse.

Then you have stability - lots of people reporting “out of application
memory” errors (I’ve been hit several times), wake from sleep after
connecting to an external screen is now roll a lopsided dice...stability
isn’t what it was either.

So yeah - unfortunately I’m currently on the ’superficially cool’ train
at the moment. They need to start remembering fundamentals and make sure what
they’ve already got out in the wild actually works, and keeps up with other
similar systems around it.

I would -love- to take over Apple software for a year and release “macOS
Nice Edition”. No/few new features, but a ton of quality of life
improvements. None of the ones I have in mind would be hard, and they’d all
improve things a lot.

Cheers,
Ian

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 by: Andy Hewitt - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 15:55 UTC

On 08/02/2022 08:38, D.M. Procida wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2022 at 22:54:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>> ... you could select more than one album at a time.
>>
>> Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
>> on trying to find everything it can't do!
>
> Are you serious?

Yes. It's just that I've been doing my darnedest to try and help you out
here, then it seems like you're just adding another whinge to the stack.

Everything you've posted so far has been negative. If Photos is that bad
for you, then look for something better.

Personally I find a lot of positives with Photos, and realise it's not
perfect, I just adapt to work with it, rather than against it.

--
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 by: Chris - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 16:55 UTC

On 08/02/2022 10:06, Ian McCall wrote:
>
>
> I would -love- to take over Apple software for a year and release “macOS
> Nice Edition”. No/few new features, but a ton of quality of life
> improvements. None of the ones I have in mind would be hard, and they’d all
> improve things a lot.

Seconded! When do you start...?

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 by: Alan B - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 17:07 UTC

On 2022-02-08, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/02/2022 10:06, Ian McCall wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would -love- to take over Apple software for a year and release “macOS
>> Nice Edition”. No/few new features, but a ton of quality of life
>> improvements. None of the ones I have in mind would be hard, and they’d all
>> improve things a lot.
>
> Seconded! When do you start...?

Better warn Craig Federighi someone is out to "sanction" him ;)

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 by: Liz Tuddenham - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 17:25 UTC

D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 8 Feb 2022 at 09:07:43 GMT, "Ian McCall" <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:
>
> > Superficially cool
>
> Ouch. That hurts a bit.
>
> That was the jibe that was levelled at the Macintosh since 1984. Those of us
> who actually got the Macintosh way realised that those people were wrong.
>
> What we were seeing and thrilled with was something deeply cool, not
> superficially cool - because the deepest fundamentals of it were solidly right
> in new and significant ways.
>
> You can't blame Apple for not being able to keep doing that, you can only
> invent the same thing once. But at least you can make sure you didn't forget
> the solidly right fundamentals while looking for new ways to do other things
> better,
>
> It seems obvious now, but "deeply cool" is having consistent, intuitive ways
> to manage the selection of multiple items. How to manage multiple selection of
> objects in a graphical user interface wasn't obvious in the 1980s.
>
> In 2022, not even being able to select multiple items looks like someone was
> so busy trying to do to something meretricious that they forgot some of the
> absolute basics.

You seem to be describing the way I felt when I first encountered OSX.
I decided to wait for a while to give them a chance to put the obvious
mistakes right - but they never did, so I'm still on OS 8.6.

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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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 by: D.M. Procida - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 20:35 UTC

On 8 Feb 2022 at 10:06:06 GMT, "Ian McCall" <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:

> I would -love- to take over Apple software for a year and release “macOS
> Nice Edition”. No/few new features, but a ton of quality of life
> improvements. None of the ones I have in mind would be hard, and they’d all
> improve things a lot.

I can't tell you how excited I am to hear about this new project of yours!
Where can I send the money?

Daniele

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 by: Savageduck - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 18:00 UTC

On Feb 8, 2022, Andy Hewitt wrote
(in article <stu3q0$b9s$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 08/02/2022 08:38, D.M. Procida wrote:
> > On 7 Feb 2022 at 22:54:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > > on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
> > > > ... you could select more than one album at a time.
> > >
> > > Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
> > > on trying to find everything it can't do!
> >
> > Are you serious?
>
> Yes. It's just that I've been doing my darnedest to try and help you out
> here, then it seems like you're just adding another whinge to the stack.
>
> Everything you've posted so far has been negative. If Photos is that bad
> for you, then look for something better.
>
> Personally I find a lot of positives with Photos, and realise it's not
> perfect, I just adapt to work with it, rather than against it.

Personally I always found Photos to be problematic for my particular usage. So I never use it, so I am not bothered by any of its quirks. I have been a long time Lightroom user, and I also use Exposure X7 both as stand-alone catalog system/editor, and as an Adobe plug-in. That gives me a system I am happy working with if I ever drop my Adobe CC subscription.

They have a free trial if you are curious.
<https://exposure.software>
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Savageduck

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 by: D.M. Procida - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 20:14 UTC

.... the title of an album in the sidebar always managed to be the same as the
title of that album as displayed when you open the itself, and not some old
name?

Not wishing to come across as just a *moaner* but it seems like kind-of
sort-of a basic thing, to me.

This is on a library that contains a grand total of *two* photos, so I don't
think it can be working that hard to keep up.

I can reproduce this behaviour on a fresh album, on the latest version of
Photos. Restarting fixes it. What polish!

Daniele

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 by: Andy Hewitt - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:08 UTC

On 09/02/2022 18:00, Savageduck wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2022, Andy Hewitt wrote
> (in article <stu3q0$b9s$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 08/02/2022 08:38, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>> On 7 Feb 2022 at 22:54:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>>>> ... you could select more than one album at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
>>>> on trying to find everything it can't do!
>>>
>>> Are you serious?
>>
>> Yes. It's just that I've been doing my darnedest to try and help you out
>> here, then it seems like you're just adding another whinge to the stack.
>>
>> Everything you've posted so far has been negative. If Photos is that bad
>> for you, then look for something better.
>>
>> Personally I find a lot of positives with Photos, and realise it's not
>> perfect, I just adapt to work with it, rather than against it.
>
> Personally I always found Photos to be problematic for my particular usage. So I never use it, so I am not bothered by any of its quirks.

Fair enough.

I have been a long time Lightroom user, and I also use Exposure X7 both
as stand-alone catalog system/editor, and as an Adobe plug-in. That
gives me a system I am happy working with if I ever drop my Adobe CC
subscription.

Yes, I've used Lightroom for a while too - from v3 to the renamed
subscription based Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC variants.

The problem is moving to a predominantly cloud based and mobile device
system. Lightroom in that respect does not support plug-ins or any
external editor other than Photoshop.

> They have a free trial if you are curious.
> <https://exposure.software>

I'm aware, thanks, and have probably tried out almost every available
photo DAM and editor out there.

--
Andy H

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 by: Andy Hewitt - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:13 UTC

On 09/02/2022 20:14, D.M. Procida wrote:
> ... the title of an album in the sidebar always managed to be the same as the
> title of that album as displayed when you open the itself, and not some old
> name?

Huh? not sure what you mean there!

My albums match between the sidebar and the title at the top of an open
album. They also show the same in the grid of albums if I click on a folder.

> Not wishing to come across as just a *moaner* but it seems like kind-of
> sort-of a basic thing, to me.

Well, yeah, it's coming across as that :-/. Far too basic for me I'm
afraid, I can't see what you're on about.

> This is on a library that contains a grand total of *two* photos, so I don't
> think it can be working that hard to keep up.
>
> I can reproduce this behaviour on a fresh album, on the latest version of
> Photos. Restarting fixes it. What polish!

Still no idea what the issue is here?

--
Andy H

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 by: D.M. Procida - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:41 UTC

On 9 Feb 2022 at 21:13:03 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

> On 09/02/2022 20:14, D.M. Procida wrote:
>> ... the title of an album in the sidebar always managed to be the same as the
>> title of that album as displayed when you open the itself, and not some old
>> name?
>
> Huh? not sure what you mean there!
>
> My albums match between the sidebar and the title at the top of an open
> album. They also show the same in the grid of albums if I click on a folder.

Under some circumstances, I'm not quite sure what, the following sequence of
events can occur.

1. rename an album in iCloud Photos
2. in macOS Photos, the new name doesn't appear in the album list
3. select the album; the new name does appear in the title at the top of the
open album
4. time passes
5. more time passes
6. the name in the list still hasn't changed

I've also seen it the other way round: the name is up-to-date in the album
list, but not at the top of the open album. Restarting seems to fix it right
away, sometimes it eventually gets around to resolving the inconsistency
itself.

This happens in multiple times in multiple libraries, large and tiny.

<shrug>

Daniele

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