On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>> also be
>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>> English, and
>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has there
>>>>>> ever
>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>> tunnel is
>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>> protestant
>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing thousands of
>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just to
>>>>> add salt
>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>> Ireland
>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period and
>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual troublesome
>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>
>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>> people and dilute support.
>>
>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>
> They are just the nearby local government, not the national government
> whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially shortened to
> "Westminster" much of the time.
>
> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy, whose
> seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".

Not St James's?

--
Arthur Figgis

Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>>> also be
>>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>> English, and
>>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has there
>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>>> tunnel is
>>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>> protestant
>>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing thousands of
>>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just to
>>>>>> add salt
>>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>> Ireland
>>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period and
>>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual troublesome
>>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>
>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>
>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>
>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national government
>> whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially shortened to
>> "Westminster" much of the time.
>>
>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy, whose
>> seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>
> Not St James's?

It's certainly the Court of St James's, but the royal bureaucracy is
nominally based in Buck House. However, it's been a few years since the
Monarch has actually lived there, so I wonder the extent to which the
senior courtiers and spokesmen are still based there?

King Charges didn't spend the night in Buck House even on the night before
his coronation; he was driven there in the morning. He has the
embarrassment of having too many homes, but one where he definitely does
*not* live is Buckingham Palace. It's basically just the place he
entertains formally.

In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
remarked:
>On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>>>also be
>>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>English, and
>>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has
>>>>>>>there ever
>>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>>>tunnel is
>>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>protestant
>>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing thousands of
>>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just
>>>>>>to add salt
>>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>Ireland
>>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period and
>>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual troublesome
>>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>
>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>
>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.

>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.

>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>
>Not St James's?

The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:07:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>remarked:
>>On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>>>>also be
>>>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>English, and
>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has
>>>>>>>>there ever
>>>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>>>>tunnel is
>>>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>protestant
>>>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing thousands of
>>>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just
>>>>>>>to add salt
>>>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>Ireland
>>>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period and
>>>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual troublesome
>>>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>
>>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.
>
>>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>
>>Not St James's?
>
>The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>
I think Recliner is alluding to where the present incumbent keeps his
bed and slippers. As Buck House has the builders/plumbers/electricians
in long term, there is no reason to believe there has been a rush to
move down the road from St James's. Has anyone been announced as
moving in to St James's?

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:07:06 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>> remarked:
>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>>>>> also be
>>>>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>> English, and
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has
>>>>>>>>> there ever
>>>>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>>>>> tunnel is
>>>>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>> protestant
>>>>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing thousands of
>>>>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just
>>>>>>>> to add salt
>>>>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>> Ireland
>>>>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period and
>>>>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual troublesome
>>>>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>
>>>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>> government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>> shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.
>>
>>>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>> whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>
>>> Not St James's?
>>
>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>>
> I think Recliner is alluding to where the present incumbent keeps his
> bed and slippers. As Buck House has the builders/plumbers/electricians
> in long term, there is no reason to believe there has been a rush to
> move down the road from St James's. Has anyone been announced as
> moving in to St James's?
>

I don't think any of the major royals live in St James's Palace, though
perhaps some maintain apartments there for when they visit London; Charles
never has. He's lived in Clarence House for 20 years (and KP before that),
and seems in no hurry to move. Supposedly, he'll officially move to Buck
House when the renovations are complete, but seems more likely to stay put.

On 16/06/2023 16:07, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
> remarked:
>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>>>> also be
>>>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>> English, and
>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has
>>>>>>>> there  ever
>>>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>>>> tunnel is
>>>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>> protestant
>>>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing
>>>>>>> thousands of
>>>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just
>>>>>>> to  add salt
>>>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>> Ireland
>>>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual
>>>>>> troublesome
>>>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>
>>>  They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>> government  whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>> shortened to  "Westminster" much of the time.
>
>>>  Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>> whose  seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>
>> Not St James's?
>
> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.

And all the ambassadors?

--
Arthur Figgis

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 23:07:56 +0100, Arthur Figgis
<afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:

>On 16/06/2023 16:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>> remarked:
>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>>>>> also be
>>>>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>> English, and
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has
>>>>>>>>> there  ever
>>>>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>>>>> tunnel is
>>>>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>> protestant
>>>>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing
>>>>>>>> thousands of
>>>>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just
>>>>>>>> to  add salt
>>>>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>> Ireland
>>>>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual
>>>>>>> troublesome
>>>>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>
>>>>  They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>> government  whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>> shortened to  "Westminster" much of the time.
>>
>>>>  Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>> whose  seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>
>>> Not St James's?
>>
>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>
>And all the ambassadors?
>
The official business of the Court of St James can be at either St
James's or Buckingham Palace. BP has more room for larger gatherings.

In message <RYqcnRrolZuhQBH5nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
23:07:56 on Fri, 16 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
remarked:
>On 16/06/2023 16:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>remarked:
>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12
>>>>Jun 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn
>>>>>>>>>>Tunnel also be subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>>English, and wouldn't want to lose any support they may have
>>>>>>>>>there.  Has there  ever been an IRA attack in Wales or
>>>>>>>>>Scotland?  (I know most of the tunnel is in England, but its
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>>protestant scots given that James I/VI started all this by
>>>>>>>>importing thousands of scottish protestants into Ireland and
>>>>>>>>renamed (London)derry just to  add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>>Ireland centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual
>>>>>>>English settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the
>>>>>>>Norman period and the "new" English from the 17th century have
>>>>>>>largely integrated and ceased to be a recognisable grouping in
>>>>>>>Ireland, the actual troublesome community are the presbyterian
>>>>>>>Ulster Scots, who came across in the reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>
>>>>  They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>>government  whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>>shortened to  "Westminster" much of the time.
>>
>>>>  Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>>whose  seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>
>>> Not St James's?

>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave,
>>and notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>
>And all the ambassadors?

When dressed for dinner they'll be turning up at Buckingham Place.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <RYqcnRrolZuhQBH5nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
> 23:07:56 on Fri, 16 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
> remarked:
>> On 16/06/2023 16:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>> remarked:
>>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12
>>>>> Jun 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn
>>>>>>>>>>> Tunnel also be subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>>> English, and wouldn't want to lose any support they may have
>>>>>>>>>> there.  Has there  ever been an IRA attack in Wales or
>>>>>>>>>> Scotland?  (I know most of the tunnel is in England, but its
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>>> protestant scots given that James I/VI started all this by
>>>>>>>>> importing thousands of scottish protestants into Ireland and
>>>>>>>>> renamed (London)derry just to  add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>>> Ireland centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual
>>>>>>>> English settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the
>>>>>>>> Norman period and the "new" English from the 17th century have
>>>>>>>> largely integrated and ceased to be a recognisable grouping in
>>>>>>>> Ireland, the actual troublesome community are the presbyterian
>>>>>>>> Ulster Scots, who came across in the reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>>
>>>>>  They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>>> government  whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>>> shortened to  "Westminster" much of the time.
>>>
>>>>>  Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>>> whose  seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>>
>>>> Not St James's?
>
>>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave,
>>> and notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>>
>> And all the ambassadors?
>
> When dressed for dinner they'll be turning up at Buckingham Place.

It's also where they presented their credentials when first appointed, but
that switched to a Zoom call from Buck House to Windsor during Covid.

From
https://embassymagazine.com/the-queen-and-her-ambassadors/

Every new head of mission from countries both great and small is accorded
with the same pomp and ceremony when they present their credentials to the
Queen. The time-honoured tradition is undoubtedly a highlight of their
careers – a carriage ride to Buckingham Palace in a state Landau escorted
by the Marshal of the Diplomatic Corps (although a quirk of history means
high commissioners get two extra horses) and a 20-minute audience with the
Queen in the elegant 1844 Room at the Palace.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
> remarked:
>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>>>> also be
>>>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>> English, and
>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has
>>>>>>>> there ever
>>>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>>>> tunnel is
>>>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>> protestant
>>>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing thousands of
>>>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just
>>>>>>> to add salt
>>>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>> Ireland
>>>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period and
>>>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual troublesome
>>>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>
>>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>> government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>> shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.
>
>>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>> whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>
>> Not St James's?
>
> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.

Isn't the area behind the famous balcony a building site at the moment?

On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 01:34:26 +0100, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 23:07:56 +0100, Arthur Figgis
><afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 16/06/2023 16:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>> remarked:
>>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn Tunnel
>>>>>>>>>>> also be
>>>>>>>>>>> subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>>> English, and
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to lose any support they may have there.  Has
>>>>>>>>>> there  ever
>>>>>>>>>> been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I know most of the
>>>>>>>>>> tunnel is
>>>>>>>>>> in England, but its closure would hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>>> protestant
>>>>>>>>> scots given that James I/VI started all this by importing
>>>>>>>>> thousands of
>>>>>>>>> scottish protestants into Ireland and renamed (London)derry just
>>>>>>>>> to  add salt
>>>>>>>>> to the wound.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>>> Ireland
>>>>>>>> centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual English
>>>>>>>> settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the Norman period
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the "new" English from the 17th century have largely integrated and
>>>>>>>> ceased to be a recognisable grouping in Ireland, the actual
>>>>>>>> troublesome
>>>>>>>> community are the presbyterian Ulster Scots, who came across in the
>>>>>>>> reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>>
>>>>>  They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>>> government  whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>>> shortened to  "Westminster" much of the time.
>>>
>>>>>  Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>>> whose  seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>>
>>>> Not St James's?
>>>
>>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>>> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>>
>>And all the ambassadors?
>>
>The official business of the Court of St James can be at either St
>James's or Buckingham Palace. BP has more room for larger gatherings.

That's normally the case, but with the extensive building work currently happening at the latter, I wonder if some
formal activities have temporarily moved to St James's?

In message <u6k2ti$177fc$5@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:10 on Sat, 17 Jun
2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>> remarked:
>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn
>>>>>>>>>> also be subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>>English, and wouldn't want to lose any support they may have
>>>>>>>>> there ever been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I
>>>>>>>>>know most of the tunnel is in England, but its closure would
>>>>>>>>>hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>>protestant scots given that James I/VI started all this by
>>>>>>>>importing thousands of scottish protestants into Ireland and
>>>>>>>>renamed (London)derry just to add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>>Ireland centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual
>>>>>>>English settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the
>>>>>>>Norman period and the "new" English from the 17th century have
>>>>>>>largely integrated and ceased to be a recognisable grouping in
>>>>>>>Ireland, the actual troublesome community are the presbyterian
>>>>>>>Ulster Scots, who came across in the reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>
>>>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>> government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>> shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.
>>
>>>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>> whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>
>>> Not St James's?
>>
>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>
>Isn't the area behind the famous balcony a building site at the moment?

That's entirely possible. Even with the complete refurb languishing in
the long grass, parts of the Palace of Westminster have resembled
building site for many years, including for a while the central lobby.
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:36:33 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>In message <u6k2ti$177fc$5@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:10 on Sat, 17 Jun
>2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>> remarked:
>>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn
>>>>>>>>>>> also be subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>>>English, and wouldn't want to lose any support they may have
>>>>>>>>>> there ever been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I
>>>>>>>>>>know most of the tunnel is in England, but its closure would
>>>>>>>>>>hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>>>protestant scots given that James I/VI started all this by
>>>>>>>>>importing thousands of scottish protestants into Ireland and
>>>>>>>>>renamed (London)derry just to add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>>>Ireland centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual
>>>>>>>>English settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the
>>>>>>>>Norman period and the "new" English from the 17th century have
>>>>>>>>largely integrated and ceased to be a recognisable grouping in
>>>>>>>>Ireland, the actual troublesome community are the presbyterian
>>>>>>>>Ulster Scots, who came across in the reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>>
>>>>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>>> government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>>> shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.
>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>>> whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>>
>>>> Not St James's?
>>>
>>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>>> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>>
>>Isn't the area behind the famous balcony a building site at the moment?
>
>That's entirely possible.

Apparently floor boards had to be laid again in the room(s) behind the balcony to provide access to the balcony for the
recent appearances.

With the building being re-wired and re-plumbed, as well as heavy structural work, there may not be much usable space.
It's a decade-long project that's about halfway through. I dare say that the new monarch has made some changes to the
plan, to reflect his own tastes and how he plans to use the building.

https://www.historic-cornwall.org.uk/exploring-the-current-state-of-buckingham-palace-uncovering-causes-of-disrepair-and-renewal-plans/

> Even with the complete refurb languishing in
>the long grass, parts of the Palace of Westminster have resembled
>building site for many years, including for a while the central lobby.

That's presumably more to stop the building falling down, rather than to actually do any rebuilding?

On 18.06.23 15:19, Recliner wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:36:33 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <u6k2ti$177fc$5@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:10 on Sat, 17 Jun
>> 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>> remarked:
>>>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn
>>>>>>>>>>>> also be subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>>>> English, and wouldn't want to lose any support they may have
>>>>>>>>>>> there ever been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I
>>>>>>>>>>> know most of the tunnel is in England, but its closure would
>>>>>>>>>>> hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>>>> protestant scots given that James I/VI started all this by
>>>>>>>>>> importing thousands of scottish protestants into Ireland and
>>>>>>>>>> renamed (London)derry just to add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>>>> Ireland centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual
>>>>>>>>> English settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the
>>>>>>>>> Norman period and the "new" English from the 17th century have
>>>>>>>>> largely integrated and ceased to be a recognisable grouping in
>>>>>>>>> Ireland, the actual troublesome community are the presbyterian
>>>>>>>>> Ulster Scots, who came across in the reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>>>
>>>>>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>>>> government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>>>> shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.
>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>>>> whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>>>
>>>>> Not St James's?
>>>>
>>>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>>>> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>>>
>>> Isn't the area behind the famous balcony a building site at the moment?
>>
>> That's entirely possible.
>
> Apparently floor boards had to be laid again in the room(s) behind the balcony to provide access to the balcony for the
> recent appearances.
>
> With the building being re-wired and re-plumbed, as well as heavy structural work, there may not be much usable space.
> It's a decade-long project that's about halfway through. I dare say that the new monarch has made some changes to the
> plan, to reflect his own tastes and how he plans to use the building.

Given that timescale, it wouldn't surprise me if Elizabeth gave Charles
a fairly free hand in determining what the finished state would be,
given the time scales and ages of the poeple concerned.

Robin

In message <b80u8i95f18n25var78ri5thifnd5pfg98@4ax.com>, at 14:19:33 on
Sun, 18 Jun 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:36:33 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <u6k2ti$177fc$5@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:10 on Sat, 17 Jun
>>2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>> remarked:
>>>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn
>>>>>>>>>>>> also be subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>>>>English, and wouldn't want to lose any support they may have
>>>>>>>>>>> there ever been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I
>>>>>>>>>>>know most of the tunnel is in England, but its closure would
>>>>>>>>>>>hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>>>>protestant scots given that James I/VI started all this by
>>>>>>>>>>importing thousands of scottish protestants into Ireland and
>>>>>>>>>>renamed (London)derry just to add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>>>>Ireland centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual
>>>>>>>>>English settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the
>>>>>>>>>Norman period and the "new" English from the 17th century have
>>>>>>>>>largely integrated and ceased to be a recognisable grouping in
>>>>>>>>>Ireland, the actual troublesome community are the presbyterian
>>>>>>>>>Ulster Scots, who came across in the reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>>>
>>>>>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>>>> government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>>>> shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.
>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>>>> whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>>>
>>>>> Not St James's?
>>>>
>>>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>>>> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>>>
>>>Isn't the area behind the famous balcony a building site at the moment?
>>
>>That's entirely possible.
>
>Apparently floor boards had to be laid again in the room(s) behind the
>balcony to provide access to the balcony for the
>recent appearances.
>
>With the building being re-wired and re-plumbed, as well as heavy
>structural work, there may not be much usable space.
>It's a decade-long project that's about halfway through. I dare say
>that the new monarch has made some changes to the
>plan, to reflect his own tastes and how he plans to use the building.
>
>https://www.historic-cornwall.org.uk/exploring-the-current-state-of-buck
>ingham-palace-uncovering-causes-of-disrepair-and-renewal-plans/
>
>> Even with the complete refurb languishing in
>>the long grass, parts of the Palace of Westminster have resembled
>>building site for many years, including for a while the central lobby.
>
>That's presumably more to stop the building falling down, rather than
>to actually do any rebuilding?

The project in the central lobby was to re-tile the floor. I don't
expect that had much to do with stopping the building falling down.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <b80u8i95f18n25var78ri5thifnd5pfg98@4ax.com>, at 14:19:33 on
> Sun, 18 Jun 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:36:33 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <u6k2ti$177fc$5@dont-email.me>, at 10:46:10 on Sat, 17 Jun
>>> 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <wuGdnUJlVOjjYRT5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>> 18:44:29 on Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>> On 13/06/2023 06:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <u67l3r$366bs$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:36:59 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2023 18:28, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:03:12 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12.06.23 11:22, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:43:30 +0100
>>>>>>>>>>> Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2023 15:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, should passengers through the more-vulnerable Severn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also be subjected to Eurostar-style security?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The IRA see the Welsh as potential allies against the evil
>>>>>>>>>>>> English, and wouldn't want to lose any support they may have
>>>>>>>>>>>> there ever been an IRA attack in Wales or Scotland?  (I
>>>>>>>>>>>> know most of the tunnel is in England, but its closure would
>>>>>>>>>>>> hit Wales hardest.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure there's much love lost between irish catholics and
>>>>>>>>>>> protestant scots given that James I/VI started all this by
>>>>>>>>>>> importing thousands of scottish protestants into Ireland and
>>>>>>>>>>> renamed (London)derry just to add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's interesting to me that the rhetoric amongst nationalists in
>>>>>>>>>> Ireland centres on the English as the "bad guys", but the actual
>>>>>>>>>> English settlers in Ireland, both the "old" English from the
>>>>>>>>>> Norman period and the "new" English from the 17th century have
>>>>>>>>>> largely integrated and ceased to be a recognisable grouping in
>>>>>>>>>> Ireland, the actual troublesome community are the presbyterian
>>>>>>>>>> Ulster Scots, who came across in the reign of a Scottish king.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many of the 18th century nationalist leaders were Protestants. Irish
>>>>>>>>> nationalism didn't become seriously associated with religion until the
>>>>>>>>> Westminster government later resurrected anti-Catholicism to divide
>>>>>>>>> people and dilute support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't recall Westminster City Council having anything to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are just the nearby local government, not the national
>>>>>>> government whose seat is "The Palace of Westminster", colloquially
>>>>>>> shortened to "Westminster" much of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile "The Palace" is the colloquial term for the monarchy,
>>>>>>> whose seat currently is "Buckingham Palace".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not St James's?
>>>>>
>>>>> The press office, where the Royals stand on the balcony and wave, and
>>>>> notices are pinned to the railings, are all at Buckingham Palace.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't the area behind the famous balcony a building site at the moment?
>>>
>>> That's entirely possible.
>>
>> Apparently floor boards had to be laid again in the room(s) behind the
>> balcony to provide access to the balcony for the
>> recent appearances.
>>
>> With the building being re-wired and re-plumbed, as well as heavy
>> structural work, there may not be much usable space.
>> It's a decade-long project that's about halfway through. I dare say
>> that the new monarch has made some changes to the
>> plan, to reflect his own tastes and how he plans to use the building.
>>
>> https://www.historic-cornwall.org.uk/exploring-the-current-state-of-buck
>> ingham-palace-uncovering-causes-of-disrepair-and-renewal-plans/
>>
>>> Even with the complete refurb languishing in
>>> the long grass, parts of the Palace of Westminster have resembled
>>> building site for many years, including for a while the central lobby.
>>
>> That's presumably more to stop the building falling down, rather than
>> to actually do any rebuilding?
>
> The project in the central lobby was to re-tile the floor. I don't
> expect that had much to do with stopping the building falling down.

Ah:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/westminster-central-lobby-tiles-restored-nineyear-project-b931914.html