Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:38:26 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <2r0e8id1gob2qlmgj4n89vje5ir6gjk90m@4ax.com>, at 12:38:28 on
>> Mon, 12 Jun 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 11:30:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <u66kg4$31rjr$5@dont-email.me>, at 08:20:20 on Mon, 12 Jun
>>>> 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <u64qdi$2o15j$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:49:06 on Sun, 11 Jun
>>>>>> 2023, Bob <bob@domain.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> On 11.06.23 11:14, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <u620jr$2aol6$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:16:27 on Sat, 10 Jun
>>>>>>>> 2023, Bob <bob@domain.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On 10.06.23 12:53, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <u61ilc$2984t$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:18:20 on Sat, 10 Jun
>>>>>>>>>> 2023, Bob <bob@domain.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For most normals, the "G" at the end is synonymous with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "G" at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the  beginning. Just like they "dial" phone numbers using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keypad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The G in GSM is "global" and in 3G/4G/5G is "generation".
>>>>>>>>>>>>   And smartphones don't have dials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For most normals, GSM is not something they know or care about, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a  now nearly obsolete technical term that never entered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wide usage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nonsense, it's widely in use. See for example "GSM desk phone".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Before this thread I had never heard the term. I've never heard GSM
>>>>>>>>>>> used by "normals" in an everyday context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Without wishing to seem rude, you need to get out more :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.co.uk/OPIS-PushMeFon-MOBILE-telephone-technology/dp
>>>>>>>>>> /B0743H56CG>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Covering all keywords a bit there:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Opis PushMeFon Mobile: gsm phone/wireless home phone/wireless
>>>>>>>>>> phone/designer retro phone/classic keypad telephone/retro style
>>>>>>>>>> phone/vintage telephone with mobile phone technology (red)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's probably somewhere in excess of 5 years since I last actually
>>>>>>>>> used a phone that wasn't a mobile, and I don't believe that is a
>>>>>>>>> particularly unusual experience these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's probably five years since I flew on a wide-body jet, but I can
>>>>>>>> still conduct a reasonable conversation about the 777X.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There hasn't been any meaningful change in the technology used for wide
>>>>>>> body airliners in that time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do know why a "X" plane is different, I suppose?
>>>>>
>>>>> In what way?
>>>>
>>>> A technology that's been introduced in the last five years (although it
>>>> now turns out GSM-desk-phones maybe ten years), that our friend hasn't
>>>> airbrushed out of his consciousness.
>>>
>>> What technology will the 77X have that's been introduced in the last
>>> five years?
>>
>> I have no idea. The five year deadline was someone else's window.
>>
>> They are apparently still tweaking various aspects of its design to meet
>> the relevant safety standards by 2025. Some of those tweaks must qualify
>> as "introduced later than 2018".
>
> Boeing has, as usual, tried to keep milking the grandfather rights with
> old designs when certifying a significantly
> different new variant. But after the 737MAX debacle, that right has now
> been time-restricted, meaning it will be forced
> to use more up-to-date criteria when certifying the 777X. So it's not so
> much that the 777X has any particularly novel
> technology, just that it should be certified to comply with the current
> rules, not those from 30 years ago.
>
> Meanwhile, entry into service is currently running five years late.
>

And before the 777X enters service, the longest long haul routes will be up
and running, using 4-class A350s:

Inside the new 21-hour flight to Australia with £20,000 suites

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bf6fc290-0b96-11ee-aa7c-6e26d8c3ad9b?shareToken=ff519b1de41edb0fd58a1b83881144e0

The more primitive 777X won't be capable of such extreme long haul
services.