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Subject: New browser
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 by: Mark - Sun, 23 Jan 2022 23:05 UTC

Anyone fancy trying his? Based on Safari (built on Web-Kit). Supports
Chrome & FF extensions (iOS too). A little bare-bones at the mo...
<https://browser.kagi.com>
--
Cheers ... Mark

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 by: Alan B - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 08:30 UTC

Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone fancy trying his? Based on Safari (built on Web-Kit). Supports
> Chrome & FF extensions (iOS too). A little bare-bones at the mo...
> <https://browser.kagi.com>

Well I’ve signed up for it. Is it Russian?

--
Cheers, Alan

Re: New browser

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Subject: Re: New browser
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 by: Mark - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:07 UTC

Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone fancy trying his? Based on Safari (built on Web-Kit). Supports
>> Chrome & FF extensions (iOS too). A little bare-bones at the mo...
>> <https://browser.kagi.com>
>
> Well I’ve signed up for it. Is it Russian?
>

From the FAQ -

“Orion is founded by Vladimir Prelovac: "With Kagi and Orion, we’re
striving to build better ways to experience the web, ways that are safe yet
fun for everyone, including my own kids."

Orion was created in 2019 and is running on tight budget, bootstrapped by
the founder's funds from the previous exit. Orion is based in SF Bay Area,
and is being built by a fully remote team.”

What threw me is that I was sure I’d bought a couple of things from Kagi
many moons ago. Seems it was a shareware platform that died & these guys
just adopted the name.

--
Cheers ... Mark

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 by: Alan B - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:19 UTC

On 2022-01-24, Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anyone fancy trying his? Based on Safari (built on Web-Kit). Supports
>>> Chrome & FF extensions (iOS too). A little bare-bones at the mo...
>>> <https://browser.kagi.com>
>>
>> Well I’ve signed up for it. Is it Russian?
>>
>
> From the FAQ -
>
> “Orion is founded by Vladimir Prelovac: "With Kagi and Orion, we’re
> striving to build better ways to experience the web, ways that are safe yet
> fun for everyone, including my own kids."
>
> Orion was created in 2019 and is running on tight budget, bootstrapped by
> the founder's funds from the previous exit. Orion is based in SF Bay Area,
> and is being built by a fully remote team.”
>
> What threw me is that I was sure I’d bought a couple of things from Kagi
> many moons ago. Seems it was a shareware platform that died & these guys
> just adopted the name.

Now you've mentioned it, the name Kagi is familiar. Maybe a shareware business
was the "previous exit" mentioned in the FAQ?

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: Mark - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:48 UTC

On 2022-01-24 12:19:58 +0000, Alan B
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> said:

> On 2022-01-24, Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>>> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anyone fancy trying his? Based on Safari (built on Web-Kit). Supports
>>>> Chrome & FF extensions (iOS too). A little bare-bones at the mo...
>>>> <https://browser.kagi.com>
>>>
>>> Well I’ve signed up for it. Is it Russian?
>>>
>>
>> From the FAQ -
>>
>> “Orion is founded by Vladimir Prelovac: "With Kagi and Orion, we’re
>> striving to build better ways to experience the web, ways that are safe yet
>> fun for everyone, including my own kids."
>>
>> Orion was created in 2019 and is running on tight budget, bootstrapped by
>> the founder's funds from the previous exit. Orion is based in SF Bay Area,
>> and is being built by a fully remote team.”
>>
>> What threw me is that I was sure I’d bought a couple of things from Kagi
>> many moons ago. Seems it was a shareware platform that died & these guys
>> just adopted the name.
>
> Now you've mentioned it, the name Kagi is familiar. Maybe a shareware business
> was the "previous exit" mentioned in the FAQ?

Seems not <https://vladimir.prelovac.com>. Interesting chap.
--
Cheers ... Mark

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 by: Alan B - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:58 UTC

On 24 Jan 2022 at 12:48:39 GMT, "Mark" <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

How long did you have to wait to get the official invite to download the app?

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: Mark - Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:25 UTC

On 2022-01-24 14:58:02 +0000, Alan B
<alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> said:

> On 24 Jan 2022 at 12:48:39 GMT, "Mark" <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> How long did you have to wait to get the official invite to download the app?

I haven't applied yet. Seems you can't import Safari passwords on Mojave :(
--
Cheers ... Mark

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 by: Alan B - Thu, 3 Feb 2022 10:50 UTC

On 2022-01-25, Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2022-01-24 14:58:02 +0000, Alan B
><alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> said:
>
>> On 24 Jan 2022 at 12:48:39 GMT, "Mark" <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> How long did you have to wait to get the official invite to download the app?
>
> I haven't applied yet. Seems you can't import Safari passwords on Mojave :(

Just received an invitation to download iOS and macOS betas. The sender says feel
free to forward the invitation to anyone who may be interested! Anyway I'll give
it a whirl later today and report back.

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: Alan B - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:31 UTC

On 2022-02-03, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
> On 2022-01-25, Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-24 14:58:02 +0000, Alan B
>><alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> said:
>>
>>> On 24 Jan 2022 at 12:48:39 GMT, "Mark" <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> How long did you have to wait to get the official invite to download the app?
>>
>> I haven't applied yet. Seems you can't import Safari passwords on Mojave :(
>
> Just received an invitation to download iOS and macOS betas. The sender says feel
> free to forward the invitation to anyone who may be interested! Anyway I'll give
> it a whirl later today and report back.

I think it's still too early to give a proper review of this new
Orion browser. As Mark pointed out the iOS version is pretty basic
still and cannot even import settings from other browsers. The macOS
version at least allows import of Safari's settings apart from
passwords. it does seem pretty quick though! But, with apologies to
Diana Ross et al, "Lord, do we need another ....." browser?

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: nospam - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:16 UTC

In article <su2piq$2vn$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>, Alan
B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:

>
> I think it's still too early to give a proper review of this new
> Orion browser. As Mark pointed out the iOS version is pretty basic
> still and cannot even import settings from other browsers.

it can't because everything is sandboxed for security. one app cannot
access another app's data, by design.

> The macOS
> version at least allows import of Safari's settings apart from
> passwords. it does seem pretty quick though! But, with apologies to
> Diana Ross et al, "Lord, do we need another ....." browser?

yes. more choice is good.

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 by: Alan B - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:25 UTC

On 2022-02-10, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <su2piq$2vn$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>, Alan
> B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think it's still too early to give a proper review of this new
>> Orion browser. As Mark pointed out the iOS version is pretty basic
>> still and cannot even import settings from other browsers.
>
> it can't because everything is sandboxed for security. one app cannot
> access another app's data, by design.

Of course!

>> The macOS
>> version at least allows import of Safari's settings apart from
>> passwords. it does seem pretty quick though! But, with apologies to
>> Diana Ross et al, "Lord, do we need another ....." browser?
>
> yes. more choice is good.

I was jesting. I'll continue to monitor progress. Feedback can be
done via Discord. The FAQs are worth a read.

<https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html>

--
Cheers, Alan

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On 10 Feb 2022 at 10:31:54 GMT, "Alan B"
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> But, with apologies to
> Diana Ross et al, "Lord, do we need another ....." browser?

Good question! But no, not really.

What we need more evenly-distributed market share amongs more browsers, so
that behemoths like IE in the old days or Chrome now, or Safari on iOS, don't
get to undermine standards.

Simply having more browsers doesn't help that.

Daniele

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 by: Alan B - Thu, 2 Jun 2022 12:07 UTC

On 2022-01-23, Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone fancy trying his? Based on Safari (built on Web-Kit). Supports
> Chrome & FF extensions (iOS too). A little bare-bones at the mo...
><https://browser.kagi.com>

Public beta just released. Imports Safari data now so worthy of another
installation.

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: Alan B - Fri, 8 Jul 2022 07:20 UTC

On 2022-06-02, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
> On 2022-01-23, Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyone fancy trying his? Based on Safari (built on Web-Kit). Supports
>> Chrome & FF extensions (iOS too). A little bare-bones at the mo...
>><https://browser.kagi.com>
>
> Public beta just released. Imports Safari data now so worthy of another
> installation.

Still in beta but seems to be progressing quite nicely. I'm not sure
it will ever become my fave browser but worthy of a try out from time
to time. Now available via Homebrew! <https://formulae.brew.sh/cask/orion>

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