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* Did someone really elect this clown?Chris Elvidge
+* Did someone really elect this clown?Mike Fleming
|`- Did someone really elect this clown?Nicholas D. Richards
+* Did someone really elect this clown?RustyHinge
|+* Did someone really elect this clown?Nicholas D. Richards
||`* Did someone really elect this clown?RustyHinge
|| +- Did someone really elect this clown?Nicholas D. Richards
|| `- Did someone really elect this clown?Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
|`* Did someone really elect this clown?Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
| `* Did someone really elect this clown?ChrisND @UKRM
|  `* Did someone really elect this clown?Nicholas D. Richards
|   `* Did someone really elect this clown?Mike Fleming
|    +- Did someone really elect this clown?Nicholas D. Richards
|    `- Did someone really elect this clown?Sam Plusnet
`* Did someone really elect this clown?Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
 +* Did someone really elect this clown?Chris Elvidge
 |`- Did someone really elect this clown?Richard Robinson
 `* Did someone really elect this clown?John Williamson
  +* Did someone really elect this clown?Tone
  |+* Did someone really elect this clown?Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
  ||`- Did someone really elect this clown?Tone
  |`* Did someone really elect this clown?ChrisND@privacy.net
  | `* Did someone really elect this clown?Tone
  |  `* Did someone really elect this clown?Sam Plusnet
  |   +- Did someone really elect this clown?John Williamson
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  |     |+- Did someone really elect this clown?RustyHinge
  |     |`* Did someone really elect this clown?Nicholas D. Richards
  |     | `* Did someone really elect this clown?Tone
  |     |  +- Did someone really elect this clown?RustyHinge
  |     |  `- Did someone really elect this clown?Nick Odell
  |     `- Did someone really elect this clown?Tone
  `- Did someone really elect this clown?Peter

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From: chr...@mshome.net (Chris Elvidge)
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Subject: Did someone really elect this clown?
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 by: Chris Elvidge - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 19:40 UTC

Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
been “wrong”.

But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
police “don’t normally look back and investigate things that have taken
place a year ago”.

--
Chris Elvidge
England

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 by: Mike Fleming - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:01 UTC

On 05/12/2021 19:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>
> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
> been “wrong”.
>
> But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
> police “don’t normally look back and investigate things that have taken
> place a year ago”.

.... "if we tell them not to".

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:33 UTC

In article <j14nl7Fq2n0U2@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
<mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 21:01:26 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
>On 05/12/2021 19:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>
>> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
>> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
>> been “wrong”.
>>
>> But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
>> police “don’t normally look back and investigate things that have taken
>> place a year ago”.
>
>... "if we tell them not to".

'They' do not need to tell Britain's Finest not too. The Police know not
too. However if you robbed the bank last year, they are still looking
for you.
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 by: RustyHinge - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:06 UTC

On 05/12/2021 19:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>
> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
> been “wrong”.
>
> But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
> police “don’t normally look back and investigate things that have taken
> place a year ago”.

Which explains the ecilop's cold case files, and their frequent reopening?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:57 UTC

In article <sojd5n$qg0$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
girolle.co.uk> on Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 22:06:47 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 05/12/2021 19:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>
>> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
>> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
>> been “wrong”.
>>
>> But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
>> police “don’t normally look back and investigate things that have taken
>> place a year ago”.
>
>Which explains the ecilop's cold case files, and their frequent reopening?
>
Re-opening a cold case file does not mean that there will be any
progress. It is now safe to re-open the 19th Century East End Serial
Killer files.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: RustyHinge - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 23:22 UTC

On 05/12/2021 22:57, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <sojd5n$qg0$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
> girolle.co.uk> on Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 22:06:47 awoke Nicholas from his
> slumbers and wrote
>> On 05/12/2021 19:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>>
>>> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
>>> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
>>> been “wrong”.
>>>
>>> But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
>>> police “don’t normally look back and investigate things that have taken
>>> place a year ago”.
>>
>> Which explains the ecilop's cold case files, and their frequent reopening?
>>
> Re-opening a cold case file does not mean that there will be any
> progress. It is now safe to re-open the 19th Century East End Serial
> Killer files.

Yes, ISTR that one 'cold' case was satisfactorily solved relatively
recently.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 23:42 UTC

In article <sojhk0$tp2$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
girolle.co.uk> on Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 23:22:40 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 05/12/2021 22:57, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <sojd5n$qg0$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>> girolle.co.uk> on Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 22:06:47 awoke Nicholas from his
>> slumbers and wrote
>>> On 05/12/2021 19:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
>>>> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
>>>> been “wrong”.
>>>>
>>>> But in an interview with the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
>>>> police “don’t normally look back and investigate things that have taken
>>>> place a year ago”.
>>>
>>> Which explains the ecilop's cold case files, and their frequent reopening?
>>>
>> Re-opening a cold case file does not mean that there will be any
>> progress. It is now safe to re-open the 19th Century East End Serial
>> Killer files.
>
>Yes, ISTR that one 'cold' case was satisfactorily solved relatively
>recently.
>
That must have passed me by.

Just for the record, it was not me. Just saying.

My ancestor who did have blood (literally) on his hands had already
shook (metaphorically) the hand of one Marwood at Armley goal by that
time. So it was not him.

Now if it were Albert Victor Christian Edward, that would back up my
contention that the police do not need to be told.
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:10 UTC

Really
? I imagine what he was saying was its no good shutting the door after the
horses have bolted?
Is this the same person now picking a fight with the Judges over their
interpretation of the law being different to what the government ministers
think, so the government can over rule any decision they don't like and find
a judge to agree with them instead?Should they not be looking at the wording
of what they say and put on statute so it cannot be misunderstood in the
first place?
Brian

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"Chris Elvidge" <chris@mshome.net> wrote in message
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>
> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
> been "wrong".
>
> But in an interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
> police "don't normally look back and investigate things that have taken
> place a year ago".
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Elvidge
> England

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:13 UTC

It would have been better, in my view to have admitted they made an error
and moved on, lessons will be learned is the usual mantra, which basically
means they will only be learned until the one who possesses the knowledge
leaves is moved or dies.
Corporate Amnesia is a wonderful thing.
Brian

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"RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 05/12/2021 19:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>
>> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
>> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would have
>> been "wrong".
>>
>> But in an interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
>> police "don't normally look back and investigate things that have taken
>> place a year ago".
>
> Which explains the ecilop's cold case files, and their frequent reopening?
>
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:15 UTC

I'd bring in the Freemasons to look into it.
Brian

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"RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 05/12/2021 22:57, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <sojd5n$qg0$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>> girolle.co.uk> on Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 22:06:47 awoke Nicholas from his
>> slumbers and wrote
>>> On 05/12/2021 19:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dominic Raab, the justice secretary, on Sunday said if No.10 staff had
>>>> held a Christmas party in breach of lockdown rules in 2020 it would
>>>> have
>>>> been "wrong".
>>>>
>>>> But in an interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, he added that the
>>>> police "don't normally look back and investigate things that have taken
>>>> place a year ago".
>>>
>>> Which explains the ecilop's cold case files, and their frequent
>>> reopening?
>>>
>> Re-opening a cold case file does not mean that there will be any
>> progress. It is now safe to re-open the 19th Century East End Serial
>> Killer files.
>
> Yes, ISTR that one 'cold' case was satisfactorily solved relatively
> recently.
>
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.

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 by: ChrisND @UKRM - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:57 UTC

On 06/12/2021 09:13, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Corporate Amnesia is a wonderful thing.

'Corporate Amnesia' - I like that expression.*

Not to be confused with 'Captain America' obviously.

C

(*Social Services seem to be particularly highly infected with it.)

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:28 UTC

In article <j16c4nF52npU1@mid.individual.net>, ChrisND @UKRM
<chrisnd@privacy.net> on Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 11:57:10 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 06/12/2021 09:13, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> Corporate Amnesia is a wonderful thing.
>
>'Corporate Amnesia' - I like that expression.*
>
>Not to be confused with 'Captain America' obviously.
>
>C
>
>
>(*Social Services seem to be particularly highly infected with it.)

Of course there was also Cap'n Bob the famous bouncing cheque (former
owner of Oxford United, IIRC).
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: Chris Elvidge - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 13:22 UTC

On 06/12/2021 09:10 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Really
> ? I imagine what he was saying was its no good shutting the door after the
> horses have bolted?
> Is this the same person now picking a fight with the Judges over their
> interpretation of the law being different to what the government ministers
> think, so the government can over rule any decision they don't like and find
> a judge to agree with them instead?Should they not be looking at the wording
> of what they say and put on statute so it cannot be misunderstood in the
> first place?
> Brian
>

"Cannot be misunderstood." Ah yes, but lawyers!!

--
Chris Elvidge
England

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 by: Mike Fleming - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 14:30 UTC

On 06/12/2021 12:28, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <j16c4nF52npU1@mid.individual.net>, ChrisND @UKRM
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 11:57:10 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>> On 06/12/2021 09:13, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>> Corporate Amnesia is a wonderful thing.
>>
>> 'Corporate Amnesia' - I like that expression.*
>>
>> Not to be confused with 'Captain America' obviously.
>>
>> C
>>
>> (*Social Services seem to be particularly highly infected with it.)
>
> Of course there was also Cap'n Bob the famous bouncing cheque (former
> owner of Oxford United, IIRC).

Whose daughter is now facing the justice that her father never did (Bob
- quite an appropriate name for someone found floating in the Atlantic).

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 by: Richard Robinson - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 15:00 UTC

Chris Elvidge said:
> On 06/12/2021 09:10 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> Really
>> ? I imagine what he was saying was its no good shutting the door after the
>> horses have bolted?
>> Is this the same person now picking a fight with the Judges over their
>> interpretation of the law being different to what the government ministers
>> think, so the government can over rule any decision they don't like and find
>> a judge to agree with them instead?Should they not be looking at the wording
>> of what they say and put on statute so it cannot be misunderstood in the
>> first place?
>
> "Cannot be misunderstood." Ah yes, but lawyers!!

Are a very expensive part of the debugging process.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 16:40 UTC

In article <j16l47F6rnkU1@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
<mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 14:30:31 awoke Nicholas from
his slumbers and wrote
>On 06/12/2021 12:28, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <j16c4nF52npU1@mid.individual.net>, ChrisND @UKRM
>> <chrisnd@privacy.net> on Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 11:57:10 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 06/12/2021 09:13, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>>> Corporate Amnesia is a wonderful thing.
>>>
>>> 'Corporate Amnesia' - I like that expression.*
>>>
>>> Not to be confused with 'Captain America' obviously.
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>> (*Social Services seem to be particularly highly infected with it.)
>>
>> Of course there was also Cap'n Bob the famous bouncing cheque (former
>> owner of Oxford United, IIRC).
>
>Whose daughter is now facing the justice that her father never did (Bob
>- quite an appropriate name for someone found floating in the Atlantic).
>
>
Indeed, my reference had collective and selective amnesia in mind, there
is a lot of it about.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: John Williamson - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 20:01 UTC

On 06/12/2021 09:10, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Really
> ? I imagine what he was saying was its no good shutting the door after the
> horses have bolted?
> Is this the same person now picking a fight with the Judges over their
> interpretation of the law being different to what the government ministers
> think, so the government can over rule any decision they don't like and find
> a judge to agree with them instead?Should they not be looking at the wording
> of what they say and put on statute so it cannot be misunderstood in the
> first place?
> Brian
>
British legislation has traditionally been drawn up in deliberately
vague language in order to give the legal system flexibility to meet
changing circumstances.

One example which affects those living on the canals without a home
mooring are requirements to "move to a new place" after no more than 14
days, and to prove "bona fide navigation" during the validity of their
licence.

Neither a "new place" nor "bona fide navigation" are defined in the 1995
Waterways Act, and have to be interpreted in context for each individual
case. There are guidelines issued by the navigation authority, but these
are *not* statutory requirements.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 21:50 UTC

On 06-Dec-21 14:30, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 06/12/2021 12:28, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <j16c4nF52npU1@mid.individual.net>, ChrisND @UKRM
>> <chrisnd@privacy.net>  on Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 11:57:10 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 06/12/2021 09:13, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>>>    Corporate Amnesia is a wonderful thing.
>>>
>>> 'Corporate Amnesia' - I like that expression.*
>>>
>>> Not to be confused with 'Captain America' obviously.
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>> (*Social Services seem to be particularly highly infected with it.)
>>
>> Of course there was also Cap'n Bob the famous bouncing cheque (former
>> owner of Oxford United, IIRC).
>
> Whose daughter is now facing the justice that her father never did (Bob
> - quite an appropriate name for someone found floating in the Atlantic).

Off of the taffrail of a yacht called The Lady Ghislaine.

Interesting history that rowing boat had/has.

Built for Emad Khashoggi[1] who didn't bother to name it, but sold to
Capt'n Bob within a year of it leaving the shipyard.

Maxwell named it Lady Ghislaine for his daughter.

His executors (or whatever) then sold it to "an Arabian businessman" who
changed its name (Lady Mona K).

He in turn sold it in 2017 to Anna Murdoch [2] - one time wife of
Rupert, & mother of Elisabeth, Lachian & James of that ilk.

She changed the name again to "Dancing Hare".

[1] Nephew of Adnan Khashoggi[3] - the well known arms dealer etc. etc.

[2] Anna Murdoch born in Glasgow to a couple who ran a dry cleaning shop.

[3] He also had a yacht[4], which, when he was short of the readies, he
sold to the Sultan of Brunei, who in turn sold it for $29 million to
Donald Trump, who sold it for $20 million to...

[4] He named that yacht "Nabila" for _his_ daughter.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Tone - Tue, 7 Dec 2021 05:57 UTC

On 06/12/2021 20:01, John Williamson wrote:

>>
> British legislation has traditionally been drawn up in deliberately
> vague language in order to give the legal system flexibility to meet
> changing circumstances.
>
> One example which affects those living on the canals without a home
> mooring are requirements to "move to a new place" after no more than 14
> days, and to prove "bona fide navigation" during the validity of their
> licence.
>
> Neither a "new place" nor "bona fide navigation" are defined in the 1995
> Waterways Act, and have to be interpreted in context for each individual
> case. There are guidelines issued by the navigation authority, but these
> are *not* statutory requirements.
>

Both BW & CaRT make up rules to suit themselves.

There is and never was any legal grounds for reducing mooring times to
less than 14 days, restricting linear moorings to permanent 'home'
moorings, charging for linear moorings or imposing fines for overstaying
less than 14 days.

For several years I was Vice Chairman of NABO and campaigned against
these unlawful restrictions. My argument was that BW (as it was then),
could only impose these restrictions if individual boaters agreed to
abide by them.

It resulted in a great many overstaying £80 'fines' being dropped before
they became court cases.

Tone

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From: bria...@blueyonder.co.uk (Brian Gaff \(Sofa\))
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Tue, 7 Dec 2021 09:24 UTC

This waterways problem reached a head in Kingston upon Thames recently where
a boat was impounded as it was moored in a stretch of the river where a
major development was to be built. I'm sure a few backhanders passed around
to get planning permission and sod anyone else.
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"Tone" <email@address.com> wrote in message
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> On 06/12/2021 20:01, John Williamson wrote:
>
>>>
>> British legislation has traditionally been drawn up in deliberately vague
>> language in order to give the legal system flexibility to meet changing
>> circumstances.
>>
>> One example which affects those living on the canals without a home
>> mooring are requirements to "move to a new place" after no more than 14
>> days, and to prove "bona fide navigation" during the validity of their
>> licence.
>>
>> Neither a "new place" nor "bona fide navigation" are defined in the 1995
>> Waterways Act, and have to be interpreted in context for each individual
>> case. There are guidelines issued by the navigation authority, but these
>> are *not* statutory requirements.
>>
>
> Both BW & CaRT make up rules to suit themselves.
>
> There is and never was any legal grounds for reducing mooring times to
> less than 14 days, restricting linear moorings to permanent 'home'
> moorings, charging for linear moorings or imposing fines for overstaying
> less than 14 days.
>
> For several years I was Vice Chairman of NABO and campaigned against these
> unlawful restrictions. My argument was that BW (as it was then), could
> only impose these restrictions if individual boaters agreed to abide by
> them.
>
> It resulted in a great many overstaying �80 'fines' being dropped before
> they became court cases.
>
> Tone

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 by: Tone - Tue, 7 Dec 2021 10:29 UTC

On 07/12/2021 09:24, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> This waterways problem reached a head in Kingston upon Thames recently where
> a boat was impounded as it was moored in a stretch of the river where a
> major development was to be built. I'm sure a few backhanders passed around
> to get planning permission and sod anyone else.
> Brian
>

That would be the Environmental Agency as Navigational Authority, with
the emphasise on the 'mental'.

Tone

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Subject: Re: Did someone really elect this clown?
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 by: ChrisND@privacy.net - Tue, 7 Dec 2021 14:35 UTC

On 07/12/2021 05:57, Tone wrote:
> On 06/12/2021 20:01, John Williamson wrote:
>
>>>
>> British legislation has traditionally been drawn up in deliberately
>> vague language in order to give the legal system flexibility to meet
>> changing circumstances.
>>
>> One example which affects those living on the canals without a home
>> mooring are requirements to "move to a new place" after no more than
>> 14 days, and to prove "bona fide navigation" during the validity of
>> their licence.
>>
>> Neither a "new place" nor "bona fide navigation" are defined in the
>> 1995 Waterways Act, and have to be interpreted in context for each
>> individual case. There are guidelines issued by the navigation
>> authority, but these are *not* statutory requirements.
>>
>
> Both BW & CaRT make up rules to suit themselves.
>
> There is and never was any legal grounds for reducing mooring times to
> less than 14 days, restricting linear moorings to permanent 'home'
> moorings, charging for linear moorings or imposing fines for overstaying
> less than 14 days.

No, but there were, and are, social grounds for restricting those who do
not wish to cruise from 'squatting' at prime sites for months on end -
thereby diminishing the 'boating experience' for those who have a boat
to go boating - not to mention those with businesses that effectively
are kept at a distance from potential customers.

BW/CRT's misguided and frequently feeble attempts to control this
situation have fed conflict and despondency for decades from when they
failed to get a grip on things in the 1970s.

I could go on but I won't. Suffice it to say that canals were built for
boating and have become the grounds for other pursuits. This is all
good. What they are not, unless you are prepared to pay for a
legitimate 'home' mooring, is a place to keep a boat stationary for as
long as you can get away with it. That is an attitude which should be
left in a house/flat etc.

HTH, C

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 by: Peter - Tue, 7 Dec 2021 15:44 UTC

John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:j178ggFahp6U1@mid.individual.net:

> British legislation has traditionally been drawn up in deliberately
> vague language in order to give the legal system flexibility to meet
> changing circumstances.

Which makes negoiating international treaties with countries used to
highly prescriptive legislation a bit of a nightmare.

--
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 by: Tone - Wed, 8 Dec 2021 02:35 UTC

On 07/12/2021 14:35, ChrisND@privacy.net wrote:
> On 07/12/2021 05:57, Tone wrote:
>> On 06/12/2021 20:01, John Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> British legislation has traditionally been drawn up in deliberately
>>> vague language in order to give the legal system flexibility to meet
>>> changing circumstances.
>>>
>>> One example which affects those living on the canals without a home
>>> mooring are requirements to "move to a new place" after no more than
>>> 14 days, and to prove "bona fide navigation" during the validity of
>>> their licence.
>>>
>>> Neither a "new place" nor "bona fide navigation" are defined in the
>>> 1995 Waterways Act, and have to be interpreted in context for each
>>> individual case. There are guidelines issued by the navigation
>>> authority, but these are *not* statutory requirements.
>>>
>>
>> Both BW & CaRT make up rules to suit themselves.
>>
>> There is and never was any legal grounds for reducing mooring times to
>> less than 14 days, restricting linear moorings to permanent 'home'
>> moorings, charging for linear moorings or imposing fines for
>> overstaying less than 14 days.
>
> No, but there were, and are, social grounds for restricting those who do
> not wish to cruise from 'squatting' at prime sites for months on end -
> thereby diminishing the 'boating experience' for those who have a boat
> to go boating - not to mention those with businesses that effectively
> are kept at a distance from potential customers.
>
> BW/CRT's misguided and frequently feeble attempts to control this
> situation have fed conflict and despondency for decades from when they
> failed to get a grip on things in the 1970s.
>
> I could go on but I won't.  Suffice it to say that canals were built for
> boating and have become the grounds for other pursuits.  This is all
> good.  What they are not, unless you are prepared to pay for a
> legitimate 'home' mooring, is a place to keep a boat stationary for as
> long as you can get away with it. That is an attitude which should be
> left in a house/flat etc.
>
> HTH, C
>
>

Agreed. The promble being they have no way of practically enforcing the
14 day max rule. They spent a fortune in boaters' licence money trying
to clear overstayers on the Kennet & Avon years ago. It resulted in very
expensive prolonged court cases with disappointing outcomes.

The vigilantes who set fire to a couple of boats whilst the occupiers
were in the pub had far more effect, for a while.

Tone

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Wed, 8 Dec 2021 19:42 UTC

On 08-Dec-21 2:35, Tone wrote:
> On 07/12/2021 14:35, ChrisND@privacy.net wrote:
>> On 07/12/2021 05:57, Tone wrote:
>>> On 06/12/2021 20:01, John Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> British legislation has traditionally been drawn up in deliberately
>>>> vague language in order to give the legal system flexibility to meet
>>>> changing circumstances.
>>>>
>>>> One example which affects those living on the canals without a home
>>>> mooring are requirements to "move to a new place" after no more than
>>>> 14 days, and to prove "bona fide navigation" during the validity of
>>>> their licence.
>>>>
>>>> Neither a "new place" nor "bona fide navigation" are defined in the
>>>> 1995 Waterways Act, and have to be interpreted in context for each
>>>> individual case. There are guidelines issued by the navigation
>>>> authority, but these are *not* statutory requirements.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both BW & CaRT make up rules to suit themselves.
>>>
>>> There is and never was any legal grounds for reducing mooring times
>>> to less than 14 days, restricting linear moorings to permanent 'home'
>>> moorings, charging for linear moorings or imposing fines for
>>> overstaying less than 14 days.
>>
>> No, but there were, and are, social grounds for restricting those who
>> do not wish to cruise from 'squatting' at prime sites for months on
>> end - thereby diminishing the 'boating experience' for those who have
>> a boat to go boating - not to mention those with businesses that
>> effectively are kept at a distance from potential customers.
>>
>> BW/CRT's misguided and frequently feeble attempts to control this
>> situation have fed conflict and despondency for decades from when they
>> failed to get a grip on things in the 1970s.
>>
>> I could go on but I won't.  Suffice it to say that canals were built
>> for boating and have become the grounds for other pursuits.  This is
>> all good.  What they are not, unless you are prepared to pay for a
>> legitimate 'home' mooring, is a place to keep a boat stationary for as
>> long as you can get away with it. That is an attitude which should be
>> left in a house/flat etc.
>>
>> HTH, C
>>
>>
>
> Agreed. The promble being they have no way of practically enforcing the
> 14 day max rule. They spent a fortune in boaters' licence money trying
> to clear overstayers on the Kennet & Avon years ago. It resulted in very
> expensive prolonged court cases with disappointing outcomes.
>
> The vigilantes who set fire to a couple of boats whilst the occupiers
> were in the pub had far more effect, for a while.

All boats to be fitted with a sealed GPS device & meter readers
wandering the Cut?

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