On 09/02/2022 21:41, D.M. Procida wrote:
> On 9 Feb 2022 at 21:13:03 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/02/2022 20:14, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>> ... the title of an album in the sidebar always managed to be the same as the
>>> title of that album as displayed when you open the itself, and not some old
>>> name?
>>
>> Huh? not sure what you mean there!
>>
>> My albums match between the sidebar and the title at the top of an open
>> album. They also show the same in the grid of albums if I click on a folder.
>
> Under some circumstances, I'm not quite sure what, the following sequence of
> events can occur.
>
> 1. rename an album in iCloud Photos
> 2. in macOS Photos, the new name doesn't appear in the album list
> 3. select the album; the new name does appear in the title at the top of the
> open album
> 4. time passes
> 5. more time passes
> 6. the name in the list still hasn't changed
>
> I've also seen it the other way round: the name is up-to-date in the album
> list, but not at the top of the open album. Restarting seems to fix it right
> away, sometimes it eventually gets around to resolving the inconsistency
> itself.
>
> This happens in multiple times in multiple libraries, large and tiny.
>
> <shrug>

Indeed.

How weird, I've never seen that happen, although I've also never done
any management of the library using the iCloud web interface, I do most
of that in Photos on the iMac. Only some (well, very rarely actually) is
done on my iPad, which I mostly use for editing (even then, 99% is done
with Pixelmator or Raw Power).

And I did a lot of folder and album renaming when I first set this up,
and have done a fair bit since. I've a few too, 22 years of annual
folders with albums in then for each event of the year - holidays are
broken down into day albums.

--
Andy H

On 8 Feb 2022, D.M. Procida wrote
(in article <j6g2hbF5a5sU1@mid.individual.net>):

> On 8 Feb 2022 at 10:06:06 GMT, "Ian McCall"<ian@eruvia.org> wrote:
>
> > I would -love- to take over Apple software for a year and release “macOS
> > Nice Edition”. No/few new features, but a ton of quality of life
> > improvements. None of the ones I have in mind would be hard, and they’d
> > all
> > improve things a lot.
>
> I can't tell you how excited I am to hear about this new project of yours!
> Where can I send the money?
>
> Daniele

Kickstarter incoming, following viral video fake launch...

Don’t forget to subscribe and like, and I’ll put my Patreon details in
the....nope, I can’t finish typing this. Sorry, off to take a quick shower.

Cheers,
Ian

On 2022-02-09 21:08:32 +0000, Andy Hewitt said:

> On 09/02/2022 18:00, Savageduck wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 2022, Andy Hewitt wrote
>> (in article <stu3q0$b9s$1@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>> On 08/02/2022 08:38, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>>> On 7 Feb 2022 at 22:54:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>>>>> ... you could select more than one album at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
>>>>> on trying to find everything it can't do!
>>>>
>>>> Are you serious?
>>>
>>> Yes. It's just that I've been doing my darnedest to try and help you out
>>> here, then it seems like you're just adding another whinge to the stack.
>>>
>>> Everything you've posted so far has been negative. If Photos is that bad
>>> for you, then look for something better.
>>>
>>> Personally I find a lot of positives with Photos, and realise it's not
>>> perfect, I just adapt to work with it, rather than against it.
>>
>> Personally I always found Photos to be problematic for my particular
>> usage. So I never use it, so I am not bothered by any of its quirks.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> I have been a long time Lightroom user, and I also use Exposure X7 both
> as stand-alone catalog system/editor, and as an Adobe plug-in. That
> gives me a system I am happy working with if I ever drop my Adobe CC
> subscription.
>
> Yes, I've used Lightroom for a while too - from v3 to the renamed
> subscription based Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC variants.
>
> The problem is moving to a predominantly cloud based and mobile device
> system. Lightroom in that respect does not support plug-ins or any
> external editor other than Photoshop.

I should have clarified my primary Lightroom use is with "Lightroom
Classic" with only occasional "Lightroom" use on my iPad Pro.
>
>> They have a free trial if you are curious.
>> <https://exposure.software>
>
> I'm aware, thanks, and have probably tried out almost every available
> photo DAM and editor out there.

I have gone down the same road in a search for Adobe/Apple
alternatives, and I find it tough to abandon my Lightroom/PS workflow.
However, now I have a tool chest of editing software options for those
times I have an editorial rush of blood to the head.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

On Tuesday, 8 February 2022 at 09:32:42 UTC, D.M. Procida wrote:
> On 8 Feb 2022 at 09:07:43 GMT, "Ian McCall" <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:
>
> > Superficially cool
>
> Ouch. That hurts a bit.
>
> That was the jibe that was levelled at the Macintosh since 1984. Those of us
> who actually got the Macintosh way realised that those people were wrong.
>
> What we were seeing and thrilled with was something deeply cool, not
> superficially cool - because the deepest fundamentals of it were solidly right
> in new and significant ways.
>
> You can't blame Apple for not being able to keep doing that, you can only
> invent the same thing once. But at least you can make sure you didn't forget
> the solidly right fundamentals while looking for new ways to do other things
> better,
>
> It seems obvious now, but "deeply cool" is having consistent, intuitive ways
> to manage the selection of multiple items. How to manage multiple selection of
> objects in a graphical user interface wasn't obvious in the 1980s.
>
> In 2022, not even being able to select multiple items looks like someone was
> so busy trying to do to something meretricious that they forgot some of the
> absolute basics.

I'm sure I can do that by using the cmd key when clicking I can also unselect or is it deselect using it too.
Using the shift key you can do a simialr thing up to or from the last image you selected.
>
> Daniele

On 10/02/2022 13:54, Leonard Oglesby wrote:
> On 2022-02-09 21:08:32 +0000, Andy Hewitt said:

>> Yes, I've used Lightroom for a while too - from v3 to the renamed
>> subscription based Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC variants.
>>
>> The problem is moving to a predominantly cloud based and mobile device
>> system. Lightroom in that respect does not support plug-ins or any
>> external editor other than Photoshop.
>
> I should have clarified my primary Lightroom use is with "Lightroom
> Classic" with only occasional "Lightroom" use on my iPad Pro.

Had I wanted to stay with the desktop-centric workflow, I probably would
have stayed with Lightroom Classic.

But they poor implementation of the Mobile/Cloud system, along with the
astonishing costs for needing more than 1TB of storage, drove me away
from it.

>>> They have a free trial if you are curious.
>>> <https://exposure.software>
>>
>> I'm aware, thanks, and have probably tried out almost every available
>> photo DAM and editor out there.
>
> I have gone down the same road in a search for Adobe/Apple alternatives,
> and I find it tough to abandon my Lightroom/PS workflow. However, now I
> have a tool chest of editing software options for those times I have an
> editorial rush of blood to the head.

I suppose that's what I've ended up with now. As much as I have the
Apple Photos and iCloud setup, I actually don't use the Apple bits all
that much.

--
Andy H

On 10/02/2022 14:03, whisky-dave wrote:
> On Tuesday, 8 February 2022 at 09:32:42 UTC, D.M. Procida wrote:
>> On 8 Feb 2022 at 09:07:43 GMT, "Ian McCall" <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Superficially cool
>>
>> Ouch. That hurts a bit.
>>
>> That was the jibe that was levelled at the Macintosh since 1984. Those of us
>> who actually got the Macintosh way realised that those people were wrong.
>>
>> What we were seeing and thrilled with was something deeply cool, not
>> superficially cool - because the deepest fundamentals of it were solidly right
>> in new and significant ways.
>>
>> You can't blame Apple for not being able to keep doing that, you can only
>> invent the same thing once. But at least you can make sure you didn't forget
>> the solidly right fundamentals while looking for new ways to do other things
>> better,
>>
>> It seems obvious now, but "deeply cool" is having consistent, intuitive ways
>> to manage the selection of multiple items. How to manage multiple selection of
>> objects in a graphical user interface wasn't obvious in the 1980s.
>>
>> In 2022, not even being able to select multiple items looks like someone was
>> so busy trying to do to something meretricious that they forgot some of the
>> absolute basics.
>
> I'm sure I can do that by using the cmd key when clicking I can also unselect or is it deselect using it too.
> Using the shift key you can do a simialr thing up to or from the last image you selected.

No, in fairness, you can't do this with whole albums in Photos. Although
I've personally not found this an issue. However, I'm not sure you can
do that in Lightroom CC either. They're not really albums, but just a
kind of virtual space to bung references to images into.

The only workaround I can think of is to select all the images within
each Album you want to use, and add them to a new Album as a new set.

--
Andy H

On 10 Feb 2022 at 14:03:36 GMT, "whisky-dave" <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

>> In 2022, not even being able to select multiple items looks like someone was
>> so busy trying to do to something meretricious that they forgot some of the
>> absolute basics.
>
> I'm sure I can do that by using the cmd key when clicking I can also unselect
> or is it deselect using it too.
> Using the shift key you can do a simialr thing up to or from the last image
> you selected.

Albums, not images.

Want to move 50 albums into or out of folders? You are going to have to select
and drag each annd every one individually.

Daniele

.... one could also move an item to another album, rather than only being able
to make a copy it?

Daniele

On 11/02/2022 21:39, D.M. Procida wrote:
> ... one could also move an item to another album, rather than only being able
> to make a copy it?

I suspect that you don't read my posts, but ....

All ORIGINAL photos are held in the Photos Library - ALWAYS

You can drag a clone of it into any album(s) you wish.

D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
> ... one could also move an item to another album, rather than only being able
> to make a copy it?

There’s been a conversation about this already not too long ago.

There is nothing to move or copy, the albums don’t contain anything, all
you’re doing is adding another reference of the image(s) into another
album. The originals are only managed within the ‘All Images’ section, from
where the reference is made.

You can put any image into as many albums as you like, it’s not creating
anything additional, only a new reference to the original.

In this case, Photos is allowing you to use the reference in an album to
create a new reference in another album. But it’s not copying anything from
that album, it’s coming from ‘All Photos’.

You can edit this photo in any location, and the edits are visible
everywhere else you have it placed.

You can make a ‘Duplicate’, and create a new ‘version’ of the original. But
this is also just a virtual copy, so you don’t end up with an additional
original image (using additional storage space), and you can then treat
that as any other image, and place it in any album(s) you need.

--
Andy H

On 12/02/2022 07:52, Andy Hewitt wrote:
> D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>> ... one could also move an item to another album, rather than only being able
>> to make a copy it?
>
> There’s been a conversation about this already not too long ago.

In fact, it was you that posted that on the 5th Jan, almost exactly the
same whinge.

Did you even read the response? Which was similar to the one I gave here.

--
Andy H

On 12/02/2022 07:52, Andy Hewitt wrote:
> D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>> ... one could also move an item to another album, rather than only being able
>> to make a copy it?
>
> There’s been a conversation about this already not too long ago.
>
> There is nothing to move or copy, the albums don’t contain anything, all
> you’re doing is adding another reference of the image(s) into another
> album. The originals are only managed within the ‘All Images’ section, from
> where the reference is made.
>
> You can put any image into as many albums as you like, it’s not creating
> anything additional, only a new reference to the original.
>
> In this case, Photos is allowing you to use the reference in an album to
> create a new reference in another album. But it’s not copying anything from
> that album, it’s coming from ‘All Photos’.
>
> You can edit this photo in any location, and the edits are visible
> everywhere else you have it placed.
>
> You can make a ‘Duplicate’, and create a new ‘version’ of the original. But
> this is also just a virtual copy, so you don’t end up with an additional
> original image (using additional storage space), and you can then treat
> that as any other image, and place it in any album(s) you need.

I totally agree. :-D

On 12 Feb 2022 at 07:52:07 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

> D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>> ... one could also move an item to another album, rather than only being able
>> to make a copy it?
>
> There’s been a conversation about this already not too long ago.
>
> There is nothing to move or copy, the albums don’t contain anything, all
> you’re doing is adding another reference of the image(s) into another
> album. The originals are only managed within the ‘All Images’ section, from
> where the reference is made.

Yes, I realise that perfectly well thanks.

What I want is an option to move a reference, not just to create another one.

Daniele

On 8 Feb 2022 at 15:55:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

> On 08/02/2022 08:38, D.M. Procida wrote:
>> On 7 Feb 2022 at 22:54:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>>> ... you could select more than one album at a time.
>>>
>>> Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
>>> on trying to find everything it can't do!
>>
>> Are you serious?
>
> Yes. It's just that I've been doing my darnedest to try and help you out
> here, then it seems like you're just adding another whinge to the stack.
>
> Everything you've posted so far has been negative. If Photos is that bad
> for you, then look for something better.

You seem to be taking my complaints about Photos/iCloud very personally.

I'm not complaining about you.

I'm very appreciative of your taking the time to try to explain things and
offer suggestions, and some of them have indeed turned out to be helpful
(though I'd appreciate it just as much even if they hadn't, because what I
really value is that someone is willing to help).

Thank you, it's generous of you to spend your time trying to help me out.

All the same, it's my software, that comes with the Macintosh and the cloud
service I'm paying for.

I get to decide if I am going to complain about how well it works, how well it
fulfils the promises it makes or how well explained it is by Apple.

I also get to decide whether I think that someone else's analysis or advice
really holds up.

I get to decide whether the idea that it could take days or weeks for my
library of 30GB or 4500 photos to synchronise properly is reasonable, or even
true. (I think it's not, to be honest, and that any such system would be
broken by design. It's also not borne out by my actual experience.)

I get to decide whether (in my judgement as a software professional who works
with distributed cloud databases for a living) the way iCloud behaves is
satisfactory or robust.

I get to judge whether I think an interface whose attitude towards users'
property is "don't worry your pretty little head about it" is insulting and
represents a wider, problematic attitude.

I get to complain about missing interface basics like options to select
multiple items, or to move them without copying them.

Just like you get to choose to offer advice or not, and to complain in turn if
you don't think someone takes it. It's more pleasant though (for me) if you do
that without making personal remarks or jibes while doing it.

Daniele

D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2022 at 07:52:07 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> D.M. Procida <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> ... one could also move an item to another album, rather than only being able
>>> to make a copy it?
>>
>> There’s been a conversation about this already not too long ago.
>>
>> There is nothing to move or copy, the albums don’t contain anything, all
>> you’re doing is adding another reference of the image(s) into another
>> album. The originals are only managed within the ‘All Images’ section, from
>> where the reference is made.
>
> Yes, I realise that perfectly well thanks.
>
> What I want is an option to move a reference, not just to create another one.

Looks like this problem was discussed some years ago and Apple in their
infinite unwisdom have seemingly decided to leave things as they are :(

<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6987843>

--
Cheers, Alan

On 12/02/2022 10:04, D.M. Procida wrote:
> On 8 Feb 2022 at 15:55:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/2022 08:38, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>> On 7 Feb 2022 at 22:54:42 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> on 07/02/2022 22:26, D.M. Procida wrote:
>>>>> ... you could select more than one album at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Is it time to start looking at what Photos can do? Rather than focussing
>>>> on trying to find everything it can't do!
>>>
>>> Are you serious?
>>
>> Yes. It's just that I've been doing my darnedest to try and help you out
>> here, then it seems like you're just adding another whinge to the stack.
>>
>> Everything you've posted so far has been negative. If Photos is that bad
>> for you, then look for something better.
>
> You seem to be taking my complaints about Photos/iCloud very personally.

Not really, that's not my intention. Although I have felt that I've been
responding then you've been popping up another thread, without even
acknowledging my replies.

> I'm not complaining about you.

I didn't think you were.

> I'm very appreciative of your taking the time to try to explain things and
> offer suggestions, and some of them have indeed turned out to be helpful
> (though I'd appreciate it just as much even if they hadn't, because what I
> really value is that someone is willing to help).
>
> Thank you, it's generous of you to spend your time trying to help me out.

You're welcome.

> All the same, it's my software, that comes with the Macintosh and the cloud
> service I'm paying for.

Indeed so.

> I get to decide if I am going to complain about how well it works, how well it
> fulfils the promises it makes or how well explained it is by Apple.

Indeed so again. By all means complain, but at least back it up with
some kind of reciprocal discussion.

> I also get to decide whether I think that someone else's analysis or advice
> really holds up.

Again, indeed so. But at least let us know if we've been of use. If my
help hasn't been of any use, I'll stop responding and shut up.

> I get to decide whether the idea that it could take days or weeks for my
> library of 30GB or 4500 photos to synchronise properly is reasonable, or even
> true. (I think it's not, to be honest, and that any such system would be
> broken by design. It's also not borne out by my actual experience.)

You can decide that if you wish. However, I think it's unreasonable to
have expectations, and not accept explanations or comparisons for not
meeting those expectations, but that's just IMHO.

> I get to decide whether (in my judgement as a software professional who works
> with distributed cloud databases for a living) the way iCloud behaves is
> satisfactory or robust.

As I explained, it's not all just about cloud interaction, there's so
much more going on than that. I'm not a software professional, just
someone that's been using it for 42 years, and has a much more
comprehensive photo library than you do, so perhaps I thought my own
experiences might count for something. Obviously not.

> I get to judge whether I think an interface whose attitude towards users'
> property is "don't worry your pretty little head about it" is insulting and
> represents a wider, problematic attitude.

So when's that been any different with Apple products?

> I get to complain about missing interface basics like options to select
> multiple items, or to move them without copying them.

You can certainly complain, but do you need to keep doing it for the
same thing? Complaining in a dying discussion format isn't really going
to get it changed. Try the Apple Feedback system if you really want any
chance of things to change.

> Just like you get to choose to offer advice or not, and to complain in turn if
> you don't think someone takes it. It's more pleasant though (for me) if you do
> that without making personal remarks or jibes while doing it.

Yes, I chose to keep trying to offer advice, I'm like that, but I had no
idea that my advice was useless to you, as you've not been acknowledging
whether it was or not. I've only been responding to each of your
complaining posts, in a desperate attempt to enlighten or assist.
Clearly I failed.

To be honest, I've known you here for many years, and have been
surprised by your attitude in the recent posts. It's not something I'm
used to. Yes that's personal, but out of genuine concern for the
remaining 'oldies' from this group.

It seems that the likes of nospam, snit, et al, have finally broken this
group completely.

--
Andy H

On 12 Feb 2022 at 20:24:49 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

> You can certainly complain, but do you need to keep doing it for the
> same thing? Complaining in a dying discussion format isn't really going
> to get it changed.

No, I just want to complain. I feel I've earned the privilege.

>> Just like you get to choose to offer advice or not, and to complain in turn if
>> you don't think someone takes it. It's more pleasant though (for me) if you do
>> that without making personal remarks or jibes while doing it.
>
> Yes, I chose to keep trying to offer advice, I'm like that, but I had no
> idea that my advice was useless to you, as you've not been acknowledging
> whether it was or not. I've only been responding to each of your
> complaining posts, in a desperate attempt to enlighten or assist.
> Clearly I failed.

I hear you. I am sorry that I didn't respond better. Some of what you said was
very helpful, and some of it didn't really apply. None of it was useless.

> To be honest, I've known you here for many years, and have been
> surprised by your attitude in the recent posts. It's not something I'm
> used to.

I'm just having a moan, and by this point, almost enjoying being outraged by
the glitches, limitations, misbehaviour and generally dreadfulness of this
software, as well as being dismayed by the vast gulf in quality and attention
to the user between this and the Aperture that it unceremoniously replaced.

Daniele

.... when you selected two items in an album and double-clicked one of them,
you could rely on one of them being opened for editing?

This is what happens instead: I am in an album. I select two images, from
London, 2015. I double-click.

What opens for editing is an image from Namibia, 2015. Every time.

This glitch goes away after restarting Photos.

Daniele

On 12/02/2022 21:19, D.M. Procida wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2022 at 20:24:49 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> You can certainly complain, but do you need to keep doing it for the
>> same thing? Complaining in a dying discussion format isn't really going
>> to get it changed.
>
> No, I just want to complain. I feel I've earned the privilege.

For sure, but you've moaned about the same thing twice in a month :-/.

Moaning is more effective if you aim it at the right people. Here, it's
just a discussion.

>>> Just like you get to choose to offer advice or not, and to complain in turn if
>>> you don't think someone takes it. It's more pleasant though (for me) if you do
>>> that without making personal remarks or jibes while doing it.
>>
>> Yes, I chose to keep trying to offer advice, I'm like that, but I had no
>> idea that my advice was useless to you, as you've not been acknowledging
>> whether it was or not. I've only been responding to each of your
>> complaining posts, in a desperate attempt to enlighten or assist.
>> Clearly I failed.
>
> I hear you. I am sorry that I didn't respond better. Some of what you said was
> very helpful, and some of it didn't really apply. None of it was useless.

Ok, that's good to hear :-)

>> To be honest, I've known you here for many years, and have been
>> surprised by your attitude in the recent posts. It's not something I'm
>> used to.
>
> I'm just having a moan, and by this point, almost enjoying being outraged by
> the glitches, limitations, misbehaviour and generally dreadfulness of this
> software, as well as being dismayed by the vast gulf in quality and attention
> to the user between this and the Aperture that it unceremoniously replaced.

I agree, I too liked Aperture very much. But it died a long time ago,
and Photos will never be a full replacement for it. I just learnt to get
along with it as it is, and with some additional third party additions.

It just felt like I was giving some answers, and you were beating me
back with a bigger stick each time.

Take care, and chill out a bit.

--
Andy H

On 5 Feb 2022 at 18:44:28 CET, "D.M. Procida"
<daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
> upload to iCloud.
>
> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.

Argh, this one has bitten me again.

This time, there are 1278 (or 1279, it seems to go up and down) photos on my
iPhone that apparently can't be uploaded.

Can't be uploaded? These photos were all *downloaded* to the phone from
iCloud. They *don't bloody need to be uploaded*. What are you actually trying
to do, iPhone?

Fortunately, the photos are safely and happily on iCloud, where the phone got
them from, and on a couple of other devices. I could even live with it, except
for the fact that it prevents new photos, that have actually been taken on the
phone, from being uploaded.

Maddening.

Daniele

On 23 Feb 2022 at 15:58:51 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
<daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 5 Feb 2022 at 18:44:28 CET, "D.M. Procida"
> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
>> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
>> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
>> upload to iCloud.
>>
>> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>
> Argh, this one has bitten me again.
>
> This time, there are 1278 (or 1279, it seems to go up and down) photos on my
> iPhone that apparently can't be uploaded.
>
> Can't be uploaded? These photos were all *downloaded* to the phone from
> iCloud. They *don't bloody need to be uploaded*. What are you actually trying
> to do, iPhone?
>
> Fortunately, the photos are safely and happily on iCloud, where the phone got
> them from, and on a couple of other devices. I could even live with it, except
> for the fact that it prevents new photos, that have actually been taken on the
> phone, from being uploaded.
>
> Maddening.
>
> Daniele

Excuse me if this is a silly question, but have you used up your iCloud
storage quota?

--
A bachelor is a selfish, undeserving guy who has cheated some woman out of a divorce.
-- Don Quinn

On 24 Feb 2022 at 08:28:50 CET, "Ray" <amos-jones@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 23 Feb 2022 at 15:58:51 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5 Feb 2022 at 18:44:28 CET, "D.M. Procida"
>> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
>>> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
>>> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
>>> upload to iCloud.
>>>
>>> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>>
>> Argh, this one has bitten me again.
>>
>> This time, there are 1278 (or 1279, it seems to go up and down) photos on my
>> iPhone that apparently can't be uploaded.
>>
>> Can't be uploaded? These photos were all *downloaded* to the phone from
>> iCloud. They *don't bloody need to be uploaded*. What are you actually trying
>> to do, iPhone?
>>
>> Fortunately, the photos are safely and happily on iCloud, where the phone got
>> them from, and on a couple of other devices. I could even live with it, except
>> for the fact that it prevents new photos, that have actually been taken on the
>> phone, from being uploaded.
>>
>> Maddening.

> Excuse me if this is a silly question, but have you used up your iCloud
> storage quota?

It's not, but no, I haven't, there's masses - 21 GB - available.

New items in macOS photos are uploaded instantly.

Daniele

On 24/02/2022 08:37, D.M. Procida wrote:
> On 24 Feb 2022 at 08:28:50 CET, "Ray" <amos-jones@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23 Feb 2022 at 15:58:51 GMT, "D.M. Procida"
>> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5 Feb 2022 at 18:44:28 CET, "D.M. Procida"
>>> <daniele-at-vurt-dot-org@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... the "Unable to upload to iCloud Photos" condition for smart albums worked
>>>> (it doesn't - in Photos 7.0 it seems to fail to detect any of them) and agreed
>>>> with the built-in "Unable to upload" folder, that shows the items it couldn't
>>>> upload to iCloud.
>>>>
>>>> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>>>
>>> Argh, this one has bitten me again.
>>>
>>> This time, there are 1278 (or 1279, it seems to go up and down) photos on my
>>> iPhone that apparently can't be uploaded.
>>>
>>> Can't be uploaded? These photos were all *downloaded* to the phone from
>>> iCloud. They *don't bloody need to be uploaded*. What are you actually trying
>>> to do, iPhone?
>>>
>>> Fortunately, the photos are safely and happily on iCloud, where the phone got
>>> them from, and on a couple of other devices. I could even live with it, except
>>> for the fact that it prevents new photos, that have actually been taken on the
>>> phone, from being uploaded.
>>>
>>> Maddening.
>
>> Excuse me if this is a silly question, but have you used up your iCloud
>> storage quota?
>
> It's not, but no, I haven't, there's masses - 21 GB - available.
>
> New items in macOS photos are uploaded instantly.

Try emptying your trash. Sometimes deleted iCloud files in the trash
take up space that is reported as free.

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

On 25 Feb 2022 at 01:22:08 CET, "Bruce Horrocks" <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>>>>> ... Photos could tell you *why* something failed to upload.
>>>>
>>>> Argh, this one has bitten me again.
>>>>
>>>> This time, there are 1278 (or 1279, it seems to go up and down) photos on my
>>>> iPhone that apparently can't be uploaded.
>>>>
>>>> Can't be uploaded? These photos were all *downloaded* to the phone from
>>>> iCloud. They *don't bloody need to be uploaded*. What are you actually trying
>>>> to do, iPhone?

>>> Excuse me if this is a silly question, but have you used up your iCloud
>>> storage quota?
>>
>> It's not, but no, I haven't, there's masses - 21 GB - available.
>>
>> New items in macOS photos are uploaded instantly.
>
> Try emptying your trash. Sometimes deleted iCloud files in the trash
> take up space that is reported as free.

I went to try that - though why it would make a difference only to iPhone
uploads I'm not sure - and found that a week or so after I'd first noticed the
"Failed to upload" items, they have now all made it to iCloud!

No idea what broke the log-jam.

Daniele

D.M. Procida wrote:

[snip]

>>
>> Try emptying your trash. Sometimes deleted iCloud files in the trash
>> take up space that is reported as free.
>
> I went to try that - though why it would make a difference only to iPhone
> uploads I'm not sure - and found that a week or so after I'd first noticed the
> "Failed to upload" items, they have now all made it to iCloud!
>
> No idea what broke the log-jam.

Do iThings not have a logging mechanism which you could look at to
identify WHY something failed?

--
Graham J